**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 20 02:59:59 2012
Aug 20 03:09:52 <EricBlade> i really really need some mt. dew. ugh.
Aug 20 03:10:00 <EricBlade> my programmer machine is running low on fuel
Aug 20 03:10:18 <EricBlade> engineer (n): a machine that turns caffeine and liquor into products
Aug 20 03:10:31 <halfhalo> yup
Aug 20 03:10:33 <HaDAk> don't i know it.
Aug 20 03:14:29 <ka6sox-away> he he
Aug 20 04:44:04 <EricBlade> i don't know if this is something i somehow broke completely or what, but on 4.3.4, i've run into a situation where no app is receiving touch input
Aug 20 05:12:02 <lagoldste> maybe this is better now :P
Aug 20 05:12:08 <lagoldste> good
Aug 20 05:12:37 <lagoldste> LarrySteeze: my first draft Testing wiki page is done
Aug 20 05:14:43 <lagoldste> http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing
Aug 20 05:15:00 <lagoldste> comments and corrections welcomed
Aug 20 05:15:11 <lagoldste> brickbats fended off with my LART ;)
Aug 20 05:28:50 <rwhitby> lagoldste: looks good
Aug 20 05:45:20 <baboo> goodnight
Aug 20 06:44:28 <ka6sox-away> rwhitby, nice writeup...
Aug 20 06:44:35 <ka6sox-away> too bad he is gone.
Aug 20 11:44:12 <ShiftyAxel> morning all
Aug 20 13:22:08 <EricBlade> ShiftyAxel: what on earth are you doing in your github o.O
Aug 20 13:22:36 <ShiftyAxel> EricBlade: cool things :D
Aug 20 13:23:02 <ShiftyAxel> though if you're looking at 'widge' I wouldn't bother- that implimentation's been scrapped for a different approach
Aug 20 13:23:15 <EricBlade> i was more curious about phone-app
Aug 20 13:23:53 <ShiftyAxel> ah, that
Aug 20 13:24:11 <ShiftyAxel> it's pretty much what it says on the tin, doesn't do anything yet aside from act like a dialer
Aug 20 13:28:11 <ShiftyAxel> I decided that the Enyo1 phone app in 2.x was rubbish, and decided to see if I could make one in enyo2
Aug 20 13:32:15 <EricBlade> it could probably be done still better, but i rather like how my enyo 1 one turned out for synergv2 .. http://ericbla.de/gvoice-webos/?p=522
Aug 20 13:32:48 <EricBlade> there's some weird alignment things going on that i haven't figured out how to fix
Aug 20 13:35:12 <ShiftyAxel> yeah, layout using web tech is fairly challenging...
Aug 20 13:41:26 <EricBlade> http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/317681-help-who-have-touchpad-gos-3-02-doctor.html#post3345705
Aug 20 13:42:11 <ShiftyAxel> sigh...
Aug 20 13:42:24 <ShiftyAxel> i'm sure there's a 'REQUIRES WEBOS 3.0.5' somewhere
Aug 20 13:42:31 <ka6sox> yes
Aug 20 13:42:44 <ka6sox> and who said we supported TPG?
Aug 20 13:43:07 <ShiftyAxel> it'd be cool if we did, but they're too rare for us to do that
Aug 20 13:43:26 <ka6sox> not really worth it IHMO
Aug 20 19:58:39 <bhuey> folks
Aug 20 20:02:22 <ka6sox> bhuey
Aug 20 21:25:46 <lennartelsner> hey!
Aug 20 21:25:51 <lennartelsner> anyone online?
Aug 20 21:28:17 <GodGinrai> Obviously there are 43 people online :P
Aug 20 21:55:02 <LarrySteeze> lennartelsner: looking for anything in particular?
Aug 20 21:55:06 <LarrySteeze> err guess I missed him
Aug 20 22:26:04 <lagoldste> there were a bunch of netsplits about 15 hours ago, so I don't know how many people saw my announcement that we now have a "how to be a tester" wiki page: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing . please look it over when you get a chance and let me know if i
Aug 20 22:26:04 <lagoldste>  left anything out or if anything is unclear
Aug 20 22:28:05 <ka6sox> lagoldste, yes, I read it...very nice
Aug 20 22:28:11 <ka6sox> only one request.
Aug 20 22:29:00 <lagoldste> yes?
Aug 20 22:30:53 <LarrySteeze> lagoldste: I didn't
Aug 20 22:30:57 <ka6sox> you mentioned the Alpha testing policy of WOSI and webos-ports...can you make those links to the aforementioned policies?
Aug 20 22:30:58 <LarrySteeze> I'll check it out
Aug 20 22:31:47 <lagoldste> i will do that, ka6sox
Aug 20 22:32:22 <lagoldste> and thanks for looking at it :)
Aug 20 22:34:08 <LarrySteeze> sorry lagoldste: I would have looked at it sooner had I known it was there o.o
Aug 20 22:34:24 <bluen> hi all
Aug 20 22:34:26 * LarrySteeze kicks spaz. I DO NOT have over 6000 DM's on twitter.
Aug 20 22:37:52 <lagoldste> LarrySteeze: np. i could see that my connection to the channel was flapping
Aug 20 22:38:10 <LarrySteeze> lagoldste: it looks good to me, thank you. I only have one request
Aug 20 22:38:28 <lagoldste> ok
Aug 20 22:38:55 <LarrySteeze> Could you add a section (or to the installation section) about adding the .json files if there are additional ones for tweaks?
Aug 20 22:40:27 <lagoldste> certainly. can you send me some details so i don't have to crawl a weeks worth of irc logs? ;) i'll pm you the email address again
Aug 20 22:42:19 <LarrySteeze> the process would be simply using the novacom put command for aformentioned jsons to  /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/org.webosinternals.tweaks.prefs/preferences/
Aug 20 22:43:00 <LarrySteeze> brb
Aug 20 22:44:10 <lagoldste> LarrySteeze|Away: *nod* that's simple enough
Aug 20 22:47:12 <lagoldste> bluen: i understand you had quite a hard time getting your TP functional when trying to test the other day. please look at http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing and tell me what you think
Aug 20 22:47:36 * lagoldste now has a memo page open for recording suggestions
Aug 20 22:50:50 <bluen> lagoldste: nice job. yes the json only gave me one tweak. I'm a big believer in retracing steps and going slow when something strange happens
Aug 20 22:51:16 <Tibfib> LarrySteeze|Away:  poor spaz
Aug 20 22:53:15 * EricBlade bounces
Aug 20 22:53:36 <lagoldste> bluen: my aim with that page is to make it easier to back out a change if you have to
Aug 20 22:55:18 <lagoldste> and hopefully keep things from breaking too badly
Aug 20 22:59:01 <LarrySteeze> Tibfib: not my fault! it decided to deceive me.
Aug 20 23:01:04 <Tibfib> LarrySteeze: pics or it didn't happen
Aug 20 23:01:10 <LarrySteeze> o.o
Aug 20 23:01:19 <LarrySteeze> if it notifies me again
Aug 20 23:01:23 <LarrySteeze> I'll screenshot it
Aug 20 23:01:36 <Tibfib> hah, seriously, though, I don't really care :)
Aug 20 23:01:46 <LarrySteeze> but spaz is the only app I use, don't worry
Aug 20 23:01:56 <LarrySteeze> twitter app, that is
Aug 20 23:04:41 <lagoldste> LarrySteeze: just to confirm what i'm seeing in the preferences directory, each tweak has its own .json file, yes?
Aug 20 23:05:02 <LarrySteeze> yes
Aug 20 23:08:57 <lagoldste> ok. i think i'll add a requirement that testers start by going back to the stock luna. that way we shouldn't have to worry about accidentally deleting too many tweaks, or having to make a backup copy of a tweak that's being overwritten by the dev
Aug 20 23:09:41 <lagoldste> make the whole process as straightforward as possible
Aug 20 23:09:43 <LarrySteeze> if that's the case, we'd have to send them too many tweaks files
Aug 20 23:10:11 <lagoldste> hm. ok
Aug 20 23:10:14 <LarrySteeze> worst case scenario, they could install LSM recovery and then "re upgrade"
Aug 20 23:10:26 <LarrySteeze> but the tweaks files won't mess with their system
Aug 20 23:10:35 <lagoldste> *nod*
Aug 20 23:10:58 <lagoldste> and the recovery is the worst case scenario i cover
Aug 20 23:15:31 <lagoldste> the tweaks won't mess with their system, no. but right now a number of the experimental tweaks are producing the same error message on state change as a .json without associated code in the s/w does
Aug 20 23:16:32 <lagoldste> i'm a little concerned about that confusing testers, but it'll probably be ok
Aug 20 23:19:27 <lagoldste> i'll make a note about possibly having to remove and reinstall patches that are tweaks-enabled
Aug 20 23:26:20 <lagoldste> oh wait- i've got it- have the tester put a copy of the preferences directory in /media/internal. then they could delete all the .json files if they had to and restore from their backup
Aug 20 23:33:13 <lagoldste> LarrySteeze: thoughts?
Aug 20 23:36:26 <LarrySteeze> they could put a copy somewhere, sure
Aug 20 23:37:06 <lagoldste> just wanted to be sure there wasn't a downside
Aug 20 23:37:23 <LarrySteeze> extra work is the only downside in my viewfinder
Aug 20 23:37:31 <lagoldste> good enough
Aug 20 23:37:32 <LarrySteeze> ShiftyAxel: ^^
Aug 20 23:38:56 <lagoldste> i want to keep this sane
Aug 20 23:40:07 <ShiftyAxel> oh yeah, the tweaks thing
Aug 20 23:40:21 <ShiftyAxel> as far as i was aware tweaks always did that, i've experienced it pre 3.0.x
Aug 20 23:41:57 <lagoldste> ok. i only recall seeing that error when i'd removed a patch but the .json remained and i idly flipped switches in Tweaks
Aug 20 23:42:06 <ShiftyAxel> hmm
Aug 20 23:43:35 <lagoldste> and even now i'm not getting that error with all of the luna tweaks, just some of them. i'll have to play some more later and report back
Aug 20 23:44:10 <ShiftyAxel> thanks lagoldste
Aug 21 01:35:34 <ShiftyAxel> bedtime, nn all!
Aug 21 02:54:19 <EricBlade> hmm. some nyx-lib rc tags went up
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