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Aug 21 09:41:20 <bhuey> folks
Aug 21 11:54:52 <EricBlade> i don't know if this is related to luna, or some other component, but my account manager on my dev pad has stopped functioning, throwing errors about "cannot read property 'username' of undefined"
Aug 21 15:23:29 <ka6sox> morning zobi8225
Aug 21 15:24:07 <zobi8225> ka6sox: it is 17h23 pm in france !
Aug 21 15:24:17 <zobi8225> but morming too :-)
Aug 21 15:24:52 <ka6sox> we found something that really helps us with this crazy 24/7 development cycle...
Aug 21 15:24:54 <ka6sox> ~ugt
Aug 21 15:24:55 <WoceBot> i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Aug 21 17:14:13 <ShiftyAxel> morning all
Aug 21 17:14:47 <PatrickC> morning ShiftyAxel
Aug 21 20:34:36 <GodGinrai> ~smh
Aug 21 20:55:45 <ka6sox> GodGinrai, Not Found! :D
Aug 21 20:55:57 <GodGinrai> lol
Aug 21 20:59:16 <scoutcamper> ~ka6sox is wocebot
Aug 21 20:59:16 <WoceBot> okay, scoutcamper
Aug 21 21:28:36 <LarrySteeze> morning everyone!
Aug 21 21:30:15 <RagingMind> good morning
Aug 21 21:31:23 <LarrySteeze> What's goin on RagingMind
Aug 21 21:32:00 <RagingMind> finally have a day off... I'm being LAZY :)
Aug 21 21:35:40 <EricBlade> LarrySteeze: stop messing with me :P
Aug 21 21:36:54 <LarrySteeze> eh?
Aug 21 21:37:01 <LarrySteeze> I just got here o.o
Aug 21 21:37:24 * LarrySteeze looks at logs
Aug 21 21:41:27 <EricBlade> :)
Aug 21 21:42:26 <LarrySteeze> anyway...
Aug 21 21:42:30 <LarrySteeze> what's the good word?
Aug 21 21:48:28 <EricBlade> bird.
Aug 21 21:48:41 <ShiftyAxel> boid
Aug 21 21:50:32 <LarrySteeze> I suppose bird is a good word
Aug 21 21:50:40 <LarrySteeze> EricBlade: it's your fault by the way
Aug 21 21:50:53 <LarrySteeze> you shouldn't have made that twitter post and I wouldn't have sent you a message o.o
Aug 21 21:51:03 <EricBlade> :)
Aug 21 21:51:20 <LarrySteeze> who was sending you messages without you asking?
Aug 21 21:52:14 <EricBlade> one of the people that had added me from my messages on the forums said "omg does picture send work??" then blasted me with non-text medias
Aug 21 21:52:46 <EricBlade> and my service didn't know how to deal with the sudden blast of random bytes
Aug 21 21:53:32 <LarrySteeze> :S
Aug 21 21:53:57 * LarrySteeze slaps them across the face with a large catfish
Aug 21 21:54:18 * LarrySteeze sends EricBlade a 500gb *.mov
Aug 21 21:54:29 <GodGinrai> lol, what is this about?
Aug 21 21:54:40 <GodGinrai> ohdeargod LarrySteeze
Aug 21 21:55:30 <EricBlade> i've got a whatsapp compatible service working, but it doesn't understand when a user sends a custom image
Aug 21 21:56:37 <GodGinrai> I don't understand why people don't just use I'M on their phones. <.
Aug 21 21:56:44 <GodGinrai> * <.<
Aug 21 21:56:50 <GodGinrai> * IM
Aug 21 21:57:01 <EricBlade> sms is expensive in some places
Aug 21 21:58:05 <GodGinrai> I said I'M, not SMS
Aug 21 21:58:34 <GodGinrai> All phones that can add a Whatsapp application should just be able to use AIM, etc.
Aug 21 21:58:42 <GodGinrai> damn autocorrect
Aug 21 21:58:45 <GodGinrai> *IM
Aug 21 21:58:59 <EricBlade> well, to be fair, as much as WA sucks, it does provide additional services on mobile that the others simply don't have
Aug 21 21:59:25 <GodGinrai> oh? Pray tell.
Aug 21 21:59:33 * LarrySteeze does not IM anymore...even on PC
Aug 21 21:59:46 <LarrySteeze> I gave up IM in like 2004
Aug 21 21:59:47 <EricBlade> file attachments, image, built in audo/video recording/transmission
Aug 21 22:00:32 <GodGinrai> LarrySteeze: If you use Skype or Steam, you have not "given up" on IM
Aug 21 22:01:15 <GodGinrai> EricBlade: Most of those look like Skype features (and email)
Aug 21 22:01:32 <EricBlade> sure, but does mobile skype do them?
Aug 21 22:01:42 <GodGinrai> Yes
Aug 21 22:01:48 <GodGinrai> except attachments
Aug 21 22:02:00 <GodGinrai> thus my email comment
Aug 21 22:02:45 <EricBlade> obviously people want these sort of things. also the direct integration to contacts, although it's a huge security issue, people don't care
Aug 21 22:03:39 <GodGinrai> Whatsapp directly integrates with your iphone contacts?
Aug 21 22:04:26 <EricBlade> yeah it automatically reads all your contact info, and adds all phone contacts to your friends list automatically
Aug 21 22:05:11 <GodGinrai> but you can't send messages to people who don't have the app, can you?
Aug 21 22:05:50 <EricBlade> no
Aug 21 22:06:33 <GodGinrai> then its a moot point.  IMs also have similar methods of "finding friends" based on your accounts
Aug 21 22:06:47 <GodGinrai> Anyways, I gotta go, I'm about to leave work
Aug 21 22:07:05 <GodGinrai> cya guys
Aug 21 22:07:44 <EricBlade> well, i think what leads whatsapp to it's overwhelming popularity, is the lack of security - you don't have to supply a username and password, you don't have to do anything to find your contacts, you just install it, and you go.
Aug 21 22:08:02 <LarrySteeze> GodGinrai: I do not use skype or steam
Aug 21 22:09:08 <GodGinrai> seems stupid to me.  Let the idiots who install antiviruses on their linux phones deal use it
Aug 21 22:09:12 <GodGinrai> cya guys
Aug 21 22:27:23 <LarrySteeze> I love github
Aug 21 22:35:35 <fxspec06> github is confusing
Aug 21 22:38:41 <LarrySteeze> github brings much success
Aug 21 22:38:54 <LarrySteeze> fxspec06: when are you going to join the fun?
Aug 21 22:39:24 <LarrySteeze> I can help you with github
Aug 21 22:41:03 <fxspec06> i've got 2 weeks before school starts
Aug 21 22:41:03 <LarrySteeze> fxspec06: enjoying the new phone?
Aug 21 22:41:21 <fxspec06> and i've got a little bit of work left to do on this app before it becomes..
Aug 21 22:41:23 <LarrySteeze> does that mean 2 weeks to work on it or 2 weeks until you can?
Aug 21 22:41:32 <fxspec06> how do i put it..
Aug 21 22:41:46 <LarrySteeze> hot?
Aug 21 22:42:05 <fxspec06> in a stage where i'm satisfied enough to not need to put a ton of thinking into it?
Aug 21 22:42:34 <fxspec06> it's like |-------  | away from the fun part
Aug 21 22:43:07 <fxspec06> and i'm loving the new phone! tyvm ;)
Aug 21 22:43:21 <fxspec06> debating whether to install a kernel..
Aug 21 22:43:50 <LarrySteeze> kernel greatly encouraged
Aug 21 22:44:06 <fxspec06> safe? battery life?
Aug 21 22:45:09 <LarrySteeze> I haven't experienced an issue, and battery life has been about the same to be honest, if not better
Aug 21 22:45:38 <LarrySteeze> keep in mind, however, that my pre3 exists in a "lab environment"
Aug 21 22:46:43 <fxspec06> i'm also trying to minimize the # of patches i install. i think my pre 2 lasted roughly an entire year without doctoring..
Aug 21 22:47:47 <LarrySteeze> on non-dev devices (only using what's in the repos, including alpha), I've never had to doctor o.o
Aug 21 22:52:16 <fxspec06> which kernel would you vote for
Aug 21 22:55:35 <halfhalo> the green one
Aug 21 22:59:24 <fxspec06> hmph
Aug 21 23:14:04 <LarrySteeze> sorry o.o
Aug 21 23:14:31 <LarrySteeze> was away for a moment
Aug 21 23:15:06 <LarrySteeze> fxspec06: if you don't want to live on the wild side, there's always uberkernel
Aug 21 23:16:47 <fxspec06> i don't mind that, i'm just curious which one you would recommend. like pre2 F14 is the best, TP F4.. etc
Aug 21 23:16:56 <fxspec06> not that there's a huge choice, but opinions are cool
Aug 21 23:35:53 <fxspec06> i chose UK b/c i don't think i'm gonna need a ton of features, and it won't have the WoSI bootie logo. not that i don't love it
Aug 21 23:39:34 <LarrySteeze> fxspec06: uberkernel has been fine for me. The pre3 has been a great device
Aug 21 23:39:57 <fxspec06> ya, i'm thinking it runs a LOT better than the TP
Aug 21 23:40:22 <LarrySteeze> this reminds me of my wife and I (though my wife knew the answer to this question in moments...but the way that she tries to figure stuff out instead of using "math and science"): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhm7-LEBznk&feature=player_embedded
Aug 21 23:40:26 <fxspec06> 76 lithium bench, not too shabby
Aug 22 00:19:46 <lagoldste> LarrySteeze and ka6sox - I updated webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing last night with your suggested changes
Aug 22 00:20:52 <lagoldste> and also discovered that webos-ports.org's Disclaimer page exists but the disclaimer hasn't been written yet
Aug 22 00:22:43 <LarrySteeze> lagoldste: thank you! I'll check it out right away
Aug 22 00:31:38 <LarrySteeze> lagoldste: looks good.
Aug 22 00:32:01 <LarrySteeze> I will probably revisit it to make some formatting changes, but other than that, it looks great
Aug 22 00:32:08 <lagoldste> LarrySteeze: thanks :)
Aug 22 00:33:04 <LarrySteeze> oh, you used html in this
Aug 22 00:33:23 <lagoldste> wiki markup doesn't always do what i want
Aug 22 00:33:25 <LarrySteeze> and wiki markup :P
Aug 22 00:33:36 <lagoldste> what should i have  used?
Aug 22 00:34:11 <LarrySteeze> for ease of "breaking" commands people type from everything else, it's best to put it in a box...see http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_build_Instructions
Aug 22 00:34:39 <LarrySteeze> I just went to make some changes but saw you used <br> to separate lines. I'll go through and make changes when I have a moment, I just don't have one right now :P
Aug 22 00:34:47 <lagoldste> *nod*
Aug 22 00:34:56 <LarrySteeze> content wise, it looks *awesome*
Aug 22 00:35:03 <lagoldste> i'll check the other- vi is my friend
Aug 22 00:35:07 <LarrySteeze> thank you
Aug 22 00:35:09 <lagoldste> the other page for markup
Aug 22 00:35:15 <lagoldste> you're welcome
Aug 22 00:35:24 <LarrySteeze> and yes, vi is my friend as well
Aug 22 00:35:35 <LarrySteeze> I prefer vi to any other text editor when it comes to terminal
Aug 22 00:35:43 <lagoldste> :)
Aug 22 00:36:48 <LarrySteeze> I'll probably also edit the "don't need virtualbox" line
Aug 22 00:37:08 <LarrySteeze> because we only really recommend virtualbox for the build environment
Aug 22 00:37:24 <LarrySteeze> people can develop in whatever platform they feel comfortable
Aug 22 00:37:44 <lagoldste> ah. conflicting definitions :)
Aug 22 00:40:56 <LarrySteeze> hmm?
Aug 22 00:41:13 <LarrySteeze> is there something somewhere else in the wiki? I'll change it.
Aug 22 00:41:35 <lagoldste> no, between my brain and the wiki
Aug 22 00:42:18 <LarrySteeze> ah
Aug 22 00:42:42 <lagoldste> and i'd forgotten that trick with the space at the beginning of the line. duh
Aug 22 00:42:56 <lagoldste> that'll be simple to fix
Aug 22 00:45:10 <LarrySteeze> anyone want to pay for my gym membership? I went to sign up at the gym near my work and found out it's the gym some of the New England Patriots and Boston Celtics use in the off season. I can't afford it.
Aug 22 00:45:35 <lagoldste> heh
Aug 22 00:46:34 <lagoldste> oh- spaces at the beginnings of lines play hell with numbered lists :P. there's other wiki markup that'll do what i want. i just have to look it up
Aug 22 00:47:26 <lagoldste> see what i can beat it into
Aug 22 01:09:17 <lagoldste> LarrySteeze|Away:  i have at least gotten rid of all the <br> tags, though the commands still aren't boxed. I'll see what else i can figure out later
Aug 22 01:14:46 <EricBlade> hmm. i was just able to, not quite sure how, open both the launcher and the just type at the same time
Aug 22 01:14:48 <EricBlade> bbl
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