**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 29 02:59:58 2012 Aug 29 03:00:13 seems to be the first release in a long time where i'm not questioning right off if upswipe is broken Aug 29 03:00:23 good Aug 29 03:08:07 All kinds of changes to OWO today! With this many changes ahead of time, the upcoming monthly code drop's gotta be awesome! Aug 29 03:09:28 uh. so far, i'm seeing things i don't like Aug 29 03:09:48 after i opened the clock widget, my icon bar and just type pill didn't come back for a good 15 seconds Aug 29 03:09:49 hadak and tyrok: what are you seeing? Aug 29 03:09:57 then the bottom came back, and the just type pill still wan't there Aug 29 03:10:18 i tapped a few times, tried upswiping, and it wouldn't open the application drawer... then it finally worked, and the just type pill popped up Aug 29 03:10:21 happened to me twice. Aug 29 03:10:24 bluen_: Mainly seeing changes related to making things that were supposed to work before actually work now. Aug 29 03:10:51 bluen_: Re: new commits from HP. I think HaDAk is talking about the new WOCE release. Aug 29 03:11:07 i'm talking about woce. Aug 29 03:11:18 tyrok: what commits? where? Aug 29 03:11:27 Everywhere! It's awesome! Aug 29 03:11:43 HaDAk: https://github.com/openwebos Aug 29 03:11:49 tyrok: wow cool. What new or fixed features stand out? Aug 29 03:13:37 Service and role files for app-services (in theory making it so it works, which means that more apps should work). Improved support for different versions of dependencies. Pointing to the correct installed location for Enyo for apps. Lots of cool "this might actually work now" type fixes. Aug 29 03:14:32 Disabled display from going off on desktop and emulator. Aug 29 03:14:36 wait wait wait. Aug 29 03:14:38 desktop. Aug 29 03:14:48 bluen: great. Any way to tell if that would include highlighting pdfs? Aug 29 03:15:05 i meant tyrok there. late here now... Aug 29 03:15:20 O_o Aug 29 03:15:25 bluen_: Nothing related to PDFs that I've seen. Aug 29 03:15:30 HaDAk: where does open webos run ... on desktop Aug 29 03:15:31 hadak: what is wrong? Aug 29 03:15:50 EricBlade: fk if i know. i haven't SEEN owo. Aug 29 03:15:50 also hadak: how can I go back to stock on email? Aug 29 03:15:59 bluen_: uh. you made a backup, right? Aug 29 03:16:04 HaDAk: i thought you had the sysmgr for owo running Aug 29 03:16:17 hadak: no. thought it was an ipk so could be uninstalled Aug 29 03:16:20 EricBlade: sysmgr, yes. as an app. Aug 29 03:16:32 is there a generic backup you could put in pogo? Aug 29 03:16:42 bluen_: ^^. your best bet is to grab the git source, and palm-package and palm-install it. Aug 29 03:16:47 HaDAk: sysmgr is the bulk of what makes webos work Aug 29 03:17:15 EricBlade: 'suppose. it's still just an app, with no real desktop management. Aug 29 03:17:29 hadak: thats a little greek to me. could you pm me with instructions? Aug 29 03:17:56 EricBlade: it'd need a file manager, better mime type handling, and display (resolution, color depth) management Aug 29 03:18:01 then we can talk Aug 29 03:19:29 hadak: could i take something off my other touchpad? Aug 29 03:19:54 whatcha mean? Aug 29 03:20:37 could i get the ipk for mail off the other touchpad and then install it on this touchpad? Aug 29 03:20:50 i have no idea. Aug 29 03:21:02 you don't have novacom installed? Aug 29 03:21:14 bluen_: The e-mail app is one of the ones that was open sourced, provided you'd like to go through the pain of trying to get it to work. Aug 29 03:21:39 tyrok: getting it to work isn't an issue. it's the one i've been using -- no problems at all with it. Aug 29 03:22:11 HaDAk: You've been using the open source version? I couldn't even get that to launch under full OWO-LSM. Aug 29 03:22:44 hadak: I just like to go back to stock. are your instructions for terminal in mac with nova com? Aug 29 03:23:16 tyrok: you're doing it wrong? Aug 29 03:23:35 bluen_: they'll work on osx, as long as you've got the palm sdk and git installed Aug 29 03:23:52 HaDAk: Could be. I had a considerable amount of trouble trying to get db8 and supporting services to work properly. Aug 29 03:25:17 tyrok: i didn't have to do anything like that Aug 29 03:25:20 tyrok: have you tried my ipk? Aug 29 03:25:39 HaDAk: No. This is under Ubuntu. Is the IPK for 32-bit desktop mode? Aug 29 03:26:00 oh wait. i'm talking running it on the touchpad. you DID say OWO, didn't you? Aug 29 03:26:04 * HaDAk wasn't paying attention Aug 29 03:26:09 * HaDAk is quite distracted, in a bad way Aug 29 03:26:34 Yep. Was wondering how in the world you got it working. :) There was a lot broken. Aug 29 03:28:30 well since i have git installed it looks like i have the core-apps for openwebOS sitting somewhere on my macbook. Don't know what I could do with them though, palm-package did not work Aug 29 03:29:31 !! Configurator also has CMake stuff now! Yay! Aug 29 03:43:31 tyrok: AFAIK, there are many components of OWO that HP hasn't open sourced. Aug 29 03:44:53 even though it's been weeks since i've done any pulls from owo, most of my repo clones are saying "up to date" Aug 29 03:48:05 The OWO guys are moving towards cmake to manage their projects. Aug 29 03:48:46 yup Aug 29 03:49:13 good Aug 29 03:49:39 wth is "isis2-base"? Aug 29 03:52:21 client/server web browser Aug 29 03:52:46 note to self: before taking a sip from the cast aluminum mug that's been sitting in the freezer, make sure your lips aren't going to freeze to it Aug 29 04:57:39 design question: Aug 29 04:57:57 if you had a user's icon and a small orb to designate their online status...what corner would you put the orb on? Aug 29 04:58:46 top right would be my first thought Aug 29 04:59:32 excellent. i was thinking the same. Aug 29 05:11:18 so, i found a bug with these oversized notification widgets Aug 29 05:16:30 write it up in issues.webos-ports.org so we can duplicate please? Aug 29 05:21:05 all ya gotta do is look at the lock screen :P Aug 29 05:33:17 HaDAk, if you don't write it up ...it NEVER happened. Aug 29 05:33:45 you're really going to make me do this, aren't you? Aug 29 05:33:48 * HaDAk hates writing it up Aug 29 05:34:12 HaDAk, yes, I am :D Aug 29 05:34:20 mmmf. Aug 29 05:39:39 baw. it's already there. Aug 29 05:39:40 http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/95 Aug 29 05:39:42 you made me do work Aug 29 05:48:36 [core-apps] none pushed 3 new commits to master: http://git.io/C2Wnzw Aug 29 05:48:36 [core-apps/master] Changed versioning and vendor - Hans Kokx Aug 29 05:48:36 [core-apps/master] Fixed priority stamp z-indexing - Hans Kokx Aug 29 05:48:36 [core-apps/master] Sender and to line alignment and size tweaks - Hans Kokx Aug 29 05:48:47 neat. Aug 29 05:50:03 ok. 2am = bedtime Aug 29 09:59:21 !s hunderby Aug 29 13:38:59 hidey-ho Aug 29 13:40:01 Looks like OWO has app-services desktop-compatible now. Aug 29 13:40:28 Same for configurator. Aug 29 13:41:41 I have an idea for advanced gesture app switching, not sure if this is THE place, but.... it would be nice to switch from one side only. ie bezel-to-screen, or screen-to-bezel. Aug 29 13:42:31 Sledge007: I'd say you found the right place. Just need to wait until one of the folks with knowledge of gestures pipes up. Aug 29 13:43:09 tyrok: Yes, but the db8 still uses the Berkeley db. HP said they'll use level db instead Berkeley db... Aug 29 13:43:34 panda-z: It does, however, compile. Or at least it did. It was just difficult. Aug 29 13:45:03 tyrok: I've compiled db8 Aug 29 13:45:30 lol, I should just check my signature @webosnation....borrowed it of @ShiftyAxle...[url]https://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/486337/stories[/url] Aug 29 13:45:59 looks like that site is down anyway. Aug 29 13:46:28 panda-z: As have I, but I haven't tried it with the recent changes. They look like they'll fix a lot. Aug 29 13:48:38 tyrok: Yes, I do think so. And they have some components aren't released yet. Aug 29 13:49:39 panda-z: Many of them. But it's quickly becoming usable. Aug 29 14:11:04 Tyrok: I am curious as to what are the key features that look like improvements over 3.05? Aug 29 14:19:15 bluen: Mainly cross-platform compatibility and updating dependencies so it compiles with newer versions of things. Aug 29 14:19:55 Tyrok: Ty, makes sense Aug 29 14:20:29 Haven't seen many new features. Mostly just "Hey, X works if I compile it from source now like the HP-compiled version does on Palm/HP devices! Yay!" and "Hey, X works on the desktop now! Yay!". Aug 29 14:38:25 So is HP now developing for an android tablet: http://musically.com/2012/08/20/hp-beta-testing-hp-play-cloud-music-app-for-android/ Aug 29 14:56:43 morning all Aug 29 14:58:43 good morning.. Aug 29 14:59:56 morning Aug 29 15:05:58 morning ShiftyAxel Aug 29 15:41:16 * RagingMind will have Pre3 as main phone in a few minutes Aug 29 15:49:49 cool cool Aug 29 16:49:22 well. theres that then. Aug 29 16:50:40 HaDAk-TP: hm? Aug 29 16:54:52 I wont be making any commits for a while, it would seem. Aug 29 16:55:10 my isp apparently wants to be *paid* for their service. Aug 29 16:58:34 I thought continued payments were optional Aug 29 17:00:33 Hadak: Too bad. Any resolution on getting back to stock from your 4.1 mail app Aug 29 17:01:07 bluen: copy it from a stock doctor Aug 29 17:01:24 morning LarrySteeze|Work Aug 29 17:01:40 ShiftyAxel: I thought we did that and it did not work. Did it work for you? Aug 29 17:02:03 I haven't tested HaDAk's email modifications Aug 29 17:06:31 morning ShiftyAxel Aug 29 17:08:04 just trying wIRC to see how it works Aug 29 17:48:02 sconix, using Tweaks for controlling LSM is Awesome Sauce. Aug 29 18:30:19 hello peeps . Aug 29 18:30:40 am I in the right place for LunaCE ? Aug 29 18:31:06 absolutely Aug 29 18:32:02 I found a bug concerning using the "English" button on the keyboard Aug 29 18:33:39 more files updated on git for owo Aug 29 18:33:53 http://issues.webos-ports.org/ Aug 29 18:34:12 err a bit late I guess Aug 29 19:45:53 bluen: Yay! And one of them looks like it fixes db8, which was one of the main stumbling blocks in getting the standard apps to work! Aug 29 19:49:13 tyrok: Great. So this means we can run on ubuntu and use the apps? Or could some of it be taken for CE somehow? Or for another ARM tablet? Aug 29 19:49:30 bluen: #1 and #3. Aug 29 19:49:56 Calculator was the only one that worked as of last week. Aug 29 19:50:39 Tyrok: I thought hadak used the owo version of mail in his app (which I was able to install but not overwrite with stock mail) Aug 29 19:50:47 install on touchpad Aug 29 19:50:57 Sure, but it required the libraries and services already on the device. Aug 29 19:51:23 I think the owo mail app is pretty much identical to the stock one in that case Aug 29 19:51:29 At this point, it *appears* we now have most of those where we can compile them from source, leading to compatibility with other devices. Needs to be tested, though. Aug 29 19:51:47 either that or there was some serious miscommunication and he used the 3.0.5 one Aug 29 19:53:58 ShiftyAxel: Logs from last night show Hadak telling Tyrok he used the open source mail in his ipk Aug 29 19:54:36 blue: I read over the logs, zinc saves them for me Aug 29 19:54:43 *bluen Aug 29 19:54:53 s/zinc/zinc/ Aug 29 19:54:59 shazzafrazza Aug 29 19:55:15 TLDR: it all seemed a bit vagur Aug 29 19:55:20 Tyrok: "Other devices"--do we need to wait for ARM devices running kernel 3.3? Aug 29 19:55:24 Hi, is there someone that can validate my account on the wiki of webos ports ? I want to submit a logo Aug 29 19:56:01 (I messed things up by the way; I changed the theme and now I can't see a thing anymore !!) Aug 29 19:56:18 That's what I call a good entrance :D Aug 29 19:56:35 what ShiftyAxel meant was: "ZNC saves them for me" Aug 29 19:57:06 thank you ka6bot :D Aug 29 19:57:19 bluen: Provided it'll compile for Ubuntu 32-bit, we should be able to compile it for older kernels thanks to Nyx being so similar to HAL. Aug 29 19:58:01 * tyrok should have some time this weekend to tinker with and possibly do more documenting of WOCE and OWO-LSM. Aug 29 19:58:11 nobody from webos-ports here ? Aug 29 19:58:29 ShiftyAxel ? Aren't you ? Aug 29 19:58:40 ok I'm back , wirc froze on me lol Aug 29 19:59:02 dalecooper: There are a bunch of people here from the webOS Ports project. Just have to wait until someone active on the forums pipes up to help you (I'm not). Aug 29 19:59:26 ok thanks tyrok Aug 29 19:59:32 did anyone get my bug I was reporting earlier? Aug 29 19:59:34 I'll wait then Aug 29 19:59:48 dalecooper: No problem. Feel free to lurk. Not everyone here is on the same timezone. Aug 29 20:00:16 shadavis08: which one? Aug 29 20:00:18 yeah I assume we're not Aug 29 20:00:24 what's #webos-ports-dev ? Aug 29 20:00:45 well it has to do with the English key on keyboard in LunaCE Aug 29 20:00:53 tyrok; older kernels? like one running on the kindle fire for example? some cyanogen tinkerers got ics and jb on the fire Aug 29 20:01:00 shadavis08: also with regards to bugs, if it's not in the issue tracker it didn't happen Aug 29 20:01:17 bluen: Fully expect that once I get it working properly on my desktop I'll try it on my Nook. Aug 29 20:01:58 tyrok: now I am on the one saying "yay". I have a kindle fire to donate to this project... Aug 29 20:02:18 if you hit that key but do not choose a different keyboard layout, then hit the space bar or delete key it just keeps deleting or adding spaces lol Aug 29 20:02:38 like it gets stuck Aug 29 20:02:40 pc-world: can't say I've ever heard of a channel by that name, why do you ask? Aug 29 20:02:45 bluen: Most of the code for the Kindle and Nook is already in the LSM codebase. We just need enough code that we can port it and have it actually work. Aug 29 20:03:09 ok shifty I'm reporting it . Aug 29 20:03:19 ty shadavis08 Aug 29 20:03:25 ShiftyAxel: lol Aug 29 20:03:30 bluen: I'm sure we could port it now, but it'd be fairly useless. It doesn't even work properly on Ubuntu 32-bit, and that's supposed to be a supported platform IIRC. Aug 29 20:03:51 I was told to report it here , forgive me for being a newb here lol Aug 29 20:04:48 everyone has to start somewhere ;) Aug 29 20:05:21 ok where is this list of bug reports? Aug 29 20:06:52 http://issues.webos-ports.org Aug 29 20:07:06 bah Aug 29 20:08:49 wow I keep losing connection? Aug 29 20:09:42 anyways where might I find this list of reported bugs? Aug 29 20:10:01 shadavis08: http://issues.webos-ports.org/projects/luna-sysmgr/issues?set_filter=1 Aug 29 20:17:39 he doesn't seem to be getting on very well with wIRC... Aug 29 20:18:18 should just swap to mirc or somethign on his pc ¬ ¬ Aug 29 20:18:20 shadavis08: if you close the "master card" in wirc, it will close the entire app. Aug 29 20:21:13 ShiftyAxel: last night Hadak was looking into why stock mail. app did not overwrite his 4.1 version; I thought he said something about discovering that the cryptofs were open but I don't know more and am not sure. Aug 29 20:27:44 hmm Aug 29 20:28:08 tbh when I read the logs it looked like a bit of a clusterfuck :P Aug 29 20:28:48 should be as simple as grabbing the stock mail folder from the doctor, deleting the 4.1 one from the device and dropping the stock one into place Aug 29 20:29:23 because bluen used the word overwrite, I'm assuming the deleting part never happened Aug 29 20:30:48 LarrySteeze|Work: yes I looked for 4.1 in wosqi to delete and could not find, hadak confirmed that ipk was not meant to be deleted, he thought overwrite would work but it did not for me or him Aug 29 20:37:57 email's a stock app, stock apps aren't removable Aug 29 20:38:17 iirc that's controlled by a flag in appinfo.json Aug 29 20:38:34 ShiftyAxel: how would I delete it then? Aug 29 20:39:52 bluen: afaik "palm-install -r" ignores these flags Aug 29 20:40:25 alternately use internalz, delete com.palm.app.email from /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications Aug 29 20:40:54 and in future, make sure there's a clear restore path in case anything like this happens Aug 29 20:42:26 ShiftyAxel: Agreed. Yes I erroneously assumed because it was an ipk that it could be removed similar to lunasysmgr Aug 29 20:43:44 ShiftyAxel: So I delete the entire com.palm.app.email folder including all the subfolders like accounts? Aug 29 20:44:22 yes, but make sure you have something to replace it with Aug 29 20:44:39 I recommend trying pc-world's method first though Aug 29 20:46:36 ShiftyAxel: I have the original mail ipk and I tried to rewrite with wosqi. So what is pc-world's method? Would I go into terminal and use palm-install -r? Aug 29 20:47:29 bluen: my suggestion was to try "palm-install -r com.example.appid" to remove a package Aug 29 20:48:14 pc-world: ty. At touchpad root in terminal on the mac? Aug 29 20:48:35 bluen: on your desktop PC, not on any webOS terminal Aug 29 20:48:45 palm-install is part of the webOS SDK Aug 29 20:49:07 also, where did you get an ipk for stock mail? Aug 29 21:45:20 ShiftyAxel: reinstalled SDK, then removed email app from device. I got the core app last night from hadak (see pogo). I believe he used git and then created a package from enyo 1 apps as that is what i did today. But installing his app or my app created by using palm-package (looks the same as his) only gives me blank page when I open the email app. Suggestions? Aug 29 21:45:49 surprise surprise Aug 29 21:46:16 as I said before, get the stock one from a 3.0.5 doctor and use that Aug 29 21:46:41 the OWO one won't work because LunaCE != OWO Aug 29 21:47:09 ShiftyAxel: So I unzip the webosdoctor 3.05 jar? Aug 29 21:48:11 yeah, it should be in there somewhere Aug 29 21:48:50 cryptofs will be empty though, it's populated from a .tar file somewhere in the doctor jar during install Aug 29 21:49:05 ShiftyAxel: It unzipped but not in the folder where I keep the jars. What am I looking for? Aug 29 21:50:20 first check usr/palm/applications Aug 29 21:51:12 on the offchance that it's in there Aug 29 21:52:21 ShiftyAxel: Another idea. I have a second touchpad so could I just copy the entire palm email folder and put it on this first touchpad after I remove CE? Aug 29 21:53:54 no need to remove CE Aug 29 21:54:02 that's a much better plan Aug 29 21:56:01 bluen: OK. Suggested this last night but was outvoted on the git enyo 1 palm-package, palm-install idea. Can i Just move the entire media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.email onto my mac from touchpad 2 and then move it via internalz onto touchpad 1 Aug 29 21:56:25 the folder i mean? Aug 29 21:58:34 yeah, that'll solve the issue Aug 29 21:59:05 whoever outvoted you on that should feel very ashamed of themselves Aug 29 22:00:14 shiftyAxel: I don't mind--we all make mistakes and I learned a few things. Is there a way to find out on the mac where those doctor files went? Did they go into various folders? Aug 29 22:00:34 or use your wifi/samba combo to have both touchpads mount each others apps folders and copy that way :) Aug 29 22:01:17 blue: it will have extracted a bunch of folders into the same directory as the jar iirc Aug 29 22:01:54 bluen ^^ Aug 29 22:03:21 I still need to add mounting shares to wfs... Aug 29 22:04:09 ShiftyAxel: it did not extract into that folder even though I hoped, it created a bunch of different folders meta-something, com something blah blah but i cant find those Aug 29 22:05:32 use the search function in finder? Aug 29 22:05:50 or spotlight, spotlight's good at finding stuff Aug 29 22:06:33 ShiftyAxel: spotlight did not help, its been crap ever since i installed mountain lion. what is a distinguishing file in 3.05 that i could search for that is specific to touchpad and not phones? Aug 29 22:06:52 err Aug 29 22:07:27 the virtual keyboard elements? Aug 29 22:07:31 I can't think of any off the top of my head Aug 29 22:07:46 that would work Aug 29 22:09:20 try 'icon-shift-lock.png' Aug 29 22:09:26 usr\palm\sysmgr\images\keyboard-tablet\keyboard-bg.png Aug 29 22:09:46 massive height image, deffo wouldnt get that on a phone Aug 29 22:27:31 ShiftyAxel: Success with the file copy, mail opens! used wifi sharing app to transfer file to mac, then brought it touchpad 2--the dev touchpad. Aug 29 22:27:55 good stuff :) Aug 29 22:27:56 Rod? Aug 29 22:28:13 webo Aug 29 22:28:34 yay, character limit Aug 29 22:28:50 ShiftyAxel: no luck in finding icon-shift-lock.png, will try again, wonder where all those files went Aug 29 22:29:27 try the one that GeekPeter mentioned? Aug 29 22:32:54 ShiftyAcel, GeekPeter: ty. found everything Aug 29 22:34:54 good times Aug 29 22:36:08 ShiftyAxel: mac said only 123 mb in the touchpad 2 folder where i put the mail app Aug 29 22:36:34 can anyone upgrade me to a human on the wiki? Aug 29 22:37:11 Jdsenter, sure. Aug 29 22:39:29 Jdsenter, what is your wiki username? Aug 29 22:39:56 Jdsenter Aug 29 22:40:41 Jdsenter, done Aug 29 22:40:59 thanks Aug 29 23:33:14 ka6sox: I think that one was too long, it's cut at "IRC Lo" Aug 29 23:33:45 yeah, we're trying to change it to something different :P Aug 29 23:35:07 fixed Aug 29 23:36:05 w00t Aug 30 00:05:43 pc-world, re: #103...can you submit a PR for that? Aug 30 00:06:24 ka6sox: first I'd have to fix it... Aug 30 00:23:42 pc-world: I think im->I'm is "Shortcuts" not "Auto-Correction" Aug 30 00:24:24 panda-z: and how do you configure them? Aug 30 00:28:17 pc-world: don't have a TP. But on webos phone, turn off "Shortcuts" then 'im' won't auto-correct. Aug 30 00:30:27 panda-z: oh you're right Aug 30 00:30:43 it was in short cuts (app "Text Assist") Aug 30 00:30:46 I'll close the bug... Aug 30 00:33:26 yup, there is a user dictionary and you can find the shortcuts dict in it. Aug 30 01:16:43 morning all. Aug 30 01:18:39 I'm having some issues with 4.5.0. for some reason YouTube videos lock up after a few seconds of playing (but the sound keeps going). Aug 30 01:19:21 is any else having this issue? Aug 30 01:23:17 is anyone here? Aug 30 01:25:07 well I'm going to downgrade to 4.4.2 and see if that fixes the YouTube issue, then come right back. Aug 30 01:37:49 that issue's been around for a while... Aug 30 01:38:13 i've noticed it and just thought it was a webOS thing in general, but then I don't remember a lot about pre-LunaCE Aug 30 01:39:29 wait, that's back? Aug 30 01:39:38 we had that fixed Aug 30 01:40:16 if it's the pdk issue that is Aug 30 01:41:11 it's not, different thing Aug 30 01:41:41 videos will play for a bit, then the video itself will stick on a single frame while the audio continues Aug 30 01:41:48 scrolling about a bit generally fixes things Aug 30 02:26:04 bedtime, nn all Aug 30 02:39:18 Kvever: in the browser was able to play the same two and a half min vid both in stock and CE. Played an additional vid in CE, the only problem is a stupid ribbon that appears in the middle of the list of vids before I select one Aug 30 02:40:34 K4ever sorry **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 30 03:00:01 2012