**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 31 03:00:00 2012 Aug 31 04:35:32 well...they opensourced a bunch of stuff... Aug 31 04:35:52 there are like 50 repos in public now Aug 31 04:36:00 * rrix looks Aug 31 04:36:18 All with no history ~_~ Aug 31 04:37:22 Wait, it is there for some of these Aug 31 04:37:45 * rrix hopes that certain of these repos can be integrated in to upstream some day and go away Aug 31 04:39:25 OE! w00t! Aug 31 04:43:33 awesome! Aug 31 06:23:51 So build on ubuntu 32bit linux desktop is what is possible? Aug 31 06:49:48 bluen, you expected dancing girls? Aug 31 12:02:56 ping morphis Aug 31 12:13:51 does someone here know morphis email address? Aug 31 12:19:58 swisstomcat: Simon Busch Aug 31 12:20:34 thanks Aug 31 12:40:50 is owos out yet :D Aug 31 12:42:27 EricBlade: yeah, they released a lot of repos ;-) Aug 31 12:45:12 i was going to stay awake until the release, but then i fell asleep. and i didnt' wake up for 12 hrs o.O Aug 31 12:53:39 I still can't find the "jailer" in the Open webOS repo ^^ Aug 31 12:55:20 does the build script (build-desktop) work yet? Aug 31 12:57:32 need some modifier (on x86_64) Aug 31 13:01:28 I have 32bit Aug 31 13:03:35 pc-world: why not git clone and have a go? :D Aug 31 13:03:49 ShiftyAxel: that's what I'm doing right now ;) Aug 31 13:05:25 releases? where and what? :) Aug 31 13:05:51 stefan_schmidt_w: https://github.com/openwebos/build-desktop Aug 31 13:06:01 pc-world: cheers mate Aug 31 13:06:46 muahahaha: "By "Linux" we mean "Ubuntu Linux"" Aug 31 13:07:29 it seems to be a build environment for a one-time build... not a development environment Aug 31 13:12:57 Some screenshots: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/j6g5h89spytbblv/yXES_GCtwT Aug 31 13:14:05 panda-z: woohoo Aug 31 13:14:20 that memos app... is it Enyo 2 or why does it look strange? Aug 31 13:16:22 pc-world: what is the difference between one-time build and development environment? Aug 31 13:16:30 pc-world: Unfortunatly, the apps are all Enyo 1, not Enyo 2 Aug 31 13:16:49 jeezus there's a crap ton of new stuff Aug 31 13:16:51 :D Aug 31 13:17:19 bluen: it just downloads snapshots of the repositories and compiles them Aug 31 13:17:22 bluen: pretty much what it says on the tin Aug 31 13:17:37 bluen: e.g. no built-in way for updating the code (from what I can see) Aug 31 13:17:37 one's for building, one-time, so you can use the software Aug 31 13:17:41 the other's for developing in Aug 31 13:18:32 what's for developing in? Aug 31 13:18:47 pc-world and ShiftyAxel: ty. How were you able to modify CE? Was it a development environment? Aug 31 13:19:00 ShiftyAxel: which one is for developing? Aug 31 13:19:13 a 'development environment' Aug 31 13:19:19 just trying to point out the obvious here... Aug 31 13:20:06 pc-world: shiftyaxel is just explaining the definition of the difference which you defined as whether it has a built-in way to update code or not Aug 31 13:20:57 ahh Aug 31 13:26:25 What does libpbnjson do? Looks like that one is still very much a work in progress, hope it is not too critical Aug 31 13:29:34 it stands for 'palm better native json' Aug 31 13:29:56 pbnjson means Palm's Better Native JSON Aug 31 13:31:49 and why is it better? ^^ Aug 31 13:32:29 you'd have to ask Palm :P Aug 31 13:39:16 i really need to figure out how i got my ubuntu x64 back to a normal desktop instead of that unity crap .. so i can repeat it on my x87 Aug 31 13:39:20 *86 Aug 31 13:43:47 select "classic" when logging in i think Aug 31 13:43:49 EricBlade: you mean "classic Gnome"? Aug 31 13:44:01 (MATE Desktop) Aug 31 13:44:23 in the login screen there's a button, when you click on it you can change the window manager Aug 31 13:44:27 yeah Aug 31 13:45:10 yeah i had to install some weird packages to get it i think Aug 31 13:46:13 apt-get install gnome-panel Aug 31 13:47:17 anyway not going to interrupt the open webos build to try it :) thanks for the tips tohugh Aug 31 13:49:48 someone upload the prebuilt binaries then... :D Aug 31 13:50:30 hey sugardave Aug 31 13:50:33 hey hey Aug 31 13:50:37 what's shakin'? Aug 31 13:51:03 people building open webos it seems :) Aug 31 13:51:20 orly? that's great! Aug 31 13:51:58 I'm about to head out and attempt to find my way to the "blue lin" on the El to get back to O'Hare Aug 31 13:52:06 then I can be home later today :) Aug 31 13:52:15 s/lin/line/ Aug 31 13:52:26 oh, openwebos news? Aug 31 13:53:09 looks that way....first I've heard of it, though ;) Aug 31 13:53:25 Stskeeps: build scripts for webOS on desktop Aug 31 13:53:30 * Stskeeps looks Aug 31 13:55:07 building webkit Aug 31 13:56:14 congratulations to the openwebos team :) Aug 31 14:00:22 have fun building! gotta jet, literally Aug 31 14:14:45 note to self: next time you buy a wifi connector for your computer, make sure it doesn't require CPU power to work Aug 31 14:22:30 morning all Aug 31 14:23:46 just updated to 4.5.1. everything is working well. no issues Aug 31 14:24:32 k4ever: nice Aug 31 14:26:13 so since this is in beta now does that mean that no new features will be added, just bug fixes? Aug 31 14:27:57 k4ever: I don't think so... Aug 31 14:28:36 k4ever: though I'm not sure if the alpha feed is still inteded to be used Aug 31 14:28:45 *intended Aug 31 14:29:14 darn! would have loved to have gotten the wave bar back for webOS 3.x. Aug 31 14:30:34 k4ever: with "I don't think so" I meant "I don't think that no new features will be (allowed to be) added" Aug 31 14:30:59 right now using LunaCE has cut down on the number of times I have had to press the home button. I would love to be able to access the app drawer without pressing the home button. Aug 31 14:31:23 k4ever: well, just use the upswipe gesture... Aug 31 14:31:33 I wave bar looked nice, but didn't really make sense Aug 31 14:31:51 s/I// Aug 31 14:31:51 pc-world meant: wave bar looked nice, but didn't really make sense Aug 31 14:33:16 yeah, your are right. the up swipe does cure that, but the wave bar would have been nice. don't mind a little eye candy every now and then. :-) Aug 31 14:39:12 ./build-webos-desktop.sh stopped with "exit 1"... Aug 31 14:39:12 FAILED DOWNLOAD: /media/a267f885-2574-4532-89c0-0bd9f3b2a071/home/pcworld/Downloads/build-desktop/../luna-desktop-binaries/tarballs/luna-webkit-api_0.90.zip is text/html; charset=utf-8 Aug 31 14:40:39 works now after executing the script again... Aug 31 14:41:24 I would also like an option to make fluid/infinite card cycling seamless. right now when you swipe past the last card on either the left or right side, the next card that displays comes in from the opposite side of the screen. it is a little jarring and Aug 31 14:41:24 imo unnecessary. would love an option to turn that "feature" off in tweaks and let the switching behave like a carousel Aug 31 14:49:39 "-I./luna-desktop-binaries/WebKit/Source/WTF" okay, so webkit has a WTF directory. why not. Aug 31 14:51:46 pc-world: are you rebuilding webkit? Aug 31 14:52:02 k4ever: I'm building Open webOS for desktop Aug 31 14:52:13 (which includes webkit) Aug 31 14:52:43 is the code out right now? been waiting on an announcement.. Aug 31 14:54:59 not announced Aug 31 14:55:09 but a few hours ago they uploaded the build scripts for Open webOS on desktop Aug 31 14:55:19 https://github.com/openwebos/build-desktop Aug 31 14:56:18 pc-world, there's even a WTF directory inside the WTF, so you can WTF while you WTF Aug 31 14:56:32 lol Aug 31 14:56:55 I just completed building sysmgr Aug 31 14:57:08 ...is it working? Aug 31 14:57:27 it's still installing stuff Aug 31 14:57:41 enyo, mojo, node extensions Aug 31 14:57:44 isis packages Aug 31 14:59:15 darn. I'm right in the middle of update linux mint 12 to 13 using apt (what a PITA). guess I will take a look at it later. Aug 31 15:00:37 according to stackoverflow wtf means "Web Template Framework" Aug 31 15:03:27 reading the readme.md now. will not work on ubuntu 64? kind of a letdown. my new laptops are running mint 64. guess I could try to build it on my ancient desktop. Aug 31 15:06:09 it's using ubuntu as a host os, so no new webOS kernel yet? Aug 31 15:07:38 looks like it is just lsm for ubuntu. Aug 31 15:08:23 wouldn't it be cool to replace unity/gnome with lsm? Aug 31 15:08:34 heh Aug 31 15:09:05 has anyone got it built and running yet? Aug 31 15:10:28 EricBlade, is the closest Aug 31 15:11:16 k4ever: someone posted screenshots earlier, so yes Aug 31 15:11:38 k4ever: and, it's not just LSM... it's all the core apps, services, webkit, etc. etc. Aug 31 15:11:48 * panda-z is someone. ;-) Aug 31 15:11:50 (okay, probably not all core apps) Aug 31 15:15:22 pc-world: cool :-) Aug 31 15:16:35 open webos beta today .. ? Aug 31 15:16:56 fxspec06_, you could say that Aug 31 15:18:29 * scoutcamper kicked off a build... Aug 31 15:19:37 Its 8:15 am in CA and there is no blog entry yet for the beta so I wonder if even more files will be updated today Aug 31 15:19:41 hrmmmmm Aug 31 15:24:36 Binaries are in /home/eric/luna-desktop-binaries/staging/lib, /home/eric/luna-desktop-binaries/staging/bin Aug 31 15:29:05 i gotta run out before i can give a report though Aug 31 15:29:07 or even try it Aug 31 15:29:10 so .. i'll be back Aug 31 15:29:37 it's still compiling webkit... :-/ Aug 31 15:31:37 pc-world: do you have a link to screenshots? Aug 31 15:31:51 k4ever: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/j6g5h89spytbblv/yXES_GCtwT Aug 31 15:33:12 thanks Aug 31 15:33:24 what?! https://github.com/openwebos/build-desktop Aug 31 15:33:47 Its possible there will be more files uploaded today. I say this because files were uploaded all week and we don't have an official blogpost yet Aug 31 15:34:13 hows it goin bluen ? Aug 31 15:34:51 "August: Build release model, Open webOS Beta" - lol they really try hard to stick to their roadmap Aug 31 15:35:12 though what we get is probably rather alpha Aug 31 15:35:37 pc-world: i like the fact that they try to stick to roadmap Aug 31 15:35:46 patricC: howdy Aug 31 15:35:57 Patrickc: howdy Aug 31 15:36:19 bluen: maybe they were told that their offices are shut down on on September 30st :D Aug 31 15:36:33 s/on on/on/ Aug 31 15:36:34 pc-world meant: bluen: maybe they were told that their offices are shut down on September 30st :D Aug 31 15:36:54 * PatrickC wishes he was still running ubuntu Aug 31 15:37:05 i actually might fire up my old laptop just to try this :) Aug 31 15:39:35 Has anyone reported the vkb not working after updating from AiraVE 4.5.0 to 4.5.1? Aug 31 15:40:20 wth? I un-autocorrected LunaCE and it re-replaced it after I hit send! Aug 31 15:40:34 Grabber5_0: do you have problems with it? Aug 31 15:40:40 there were some changes to the keyboard Aug 31 15:41:47 After updating and restarting my Touchpad, the keyboard isn't working at all. I don't think I tried to type before checking out the different keyboard options on the 'X' long-press (boy, regions is funky :D ) Aug 31 15:41:47 Aug 31 15:41:47 Aug 31 15:41:47 Aug 31 15:42:24 Whoah, I am sure I only pressed enter once (using my BT keyboard btw) Aug 31 15:42:28 Grabber5_0, i think theres something wrong with your touchpad ;) Aug 31 15:42:41 whatevs :p Aug 31 15:42:44 haha Aug 31 15:43:11 I will try the usual to resolve, just wanted to see if it had been reported by anyone Aug 31 15:43:40 Grabber5_0: so, what exactly means "isn't working at all"? does it fail to pop up, do the keys not respond etc. Aug 31 15:44:03 yeah sorry that was kind of vague Aug 31 15:44:41 It does open. They only key that outputs anything to the input box is the space bar Aug 31 15:45:01 they keys light up as expected, just nothing goes into the input box. Aug 31 15:45:02 Grabber5_0: keyboard layout? Aug 31 15:45:19 and I guess your BT keyboard was disconnected when you tried it? Aug 31 15:45:31 under X there is the T9?? and regions, rec, etc Aug 31 15:45:34 yes Aug 31 15:45:45 I just turned on BT so I could type in here :) Aug 31 15:46:13 lol... what is "virtual keyboard recording"?!? Aug 31 15:46:24 is this a left-over from non-working code? Aug 31 15:46:36 and what's T9? Aug 31 15:47:28 Grabber5_0: anyway, what is your keyboard layout set to? Aug 31 15:47:33 when I selected 'regions' the first time, it seemed to lock the touchpad so I started swiping, hitting home button, etc and I think I threw away the 'Communities' card. I tried it again and was more patient, and it eventually came up Aug 31 15:47:42 default, QWERTY Aug 31 15:48:17 I'll open WIRC on my phone so I can type while my TP is restarting Aug 31 15:48:49 I got a problem with sudo apt-get build-dep qt4-qmake Aug 31 15:49:19 k4ever: that is? Aug 31 15:49:33 I guess I should check and see if anything is spitting out to they logs Aug 31 15:49:56 says picking qt4-x11 then says it can't find the source for qt4-x11 Aug 31 15:50:13 k4ever: what distribution? Aug 31 15:50:35 linux mint 12 Aug 31 15:51:01 hmm Aug 31 15:51:46 k4ever: are you updating your OS right now? Aug 31 15:51:54 cause you said you were updating to mint 13 Aug 31 15:52:36 I'm updating to lm 13 on my laptop. I still have lm 12 on my desktop Aug 31 15:52:57 ahh sry Aug 31 15:53:05 laptop is running 64bit, desktop is running 32bit Aug 31 15:53:37 you could try what happens... without it Aug 31 15:54:23 ok I fixed it. I noticed all of the non-alpha keys seemed to be working correctly. I held X and selected XT9 and they alpha keys started working Aug 31 15:54:33 didn't see anything interesting in messages Aug 31 15:55:29 Grabber5_0: I can reproduce it... though WTF is XT9? Aug 31 15:55:47 I guess you also saw the black bar above the keyboard? Aug 31 15:56:24 hehe I have no idea pc-world, I expected it to be like T9 in the old days on feature phones Aug 31 15:56:42 uh, black bar? Aug 31 15:56:51 yes... Aug 31 15:57:04 did you also try "Regions"? keyboard looks awesome then :D Aug 31 15:57:33 oh *that* black bar :-) Aug 31 15:57:46 yah feels like I'm on acid Aug 31 15:58:10 I notice the trace turns on when you select xt9.. must be something in-process Aug 31 15:58:30 now... who implemented that "Regions" keyboard? a bored Palm employee? Aug 31 15:58:55 or was it something that was supposed to be shown in commercials? ^^ Aug 31 15:59:16 so I take it you didn't do any work on the keyboards? :-) Aug 31 15:59:56 well, I did... but only some small changes Aug 31 16:00:45 man, this is faaaaar out :-P I bet this region keyboard was for debugging and maybe tweaking the touch regions for the vkb Aug 31 16:00:56 the qt problem is a definite show stopper for me. guess I won't be building the desktop version any time soon Aug 31 16:00:59 tesg Aug 31 16:01:15 inneresting Aug 31 16:02:34 k4ever: ...have you gooled for it? (just asking :) Aug 31 16:02:37 * :P) Aug 31 16:03:43 k4ever_: I haven't had this issue on Ubuntu 10.10 Aug 31 16:05:34 ok, that's creepy. how did I log in to this chat again? Aug 31 16:06:41 huh what? :-) Aug 31 16:07:15 hey wait, my keyboard reset to the default after it closed. pretty sure I didn't change it Aug 31 16:07:34 Grabber5_0: don't play around with the X key :P Aug 31 16:08:17 Grabber5_0: to what "default"? Aug 31 16:09:28 yeah Aug 31 16:09:59 builds on 32 bit not supported??? :S Aug 31 16:10:15 I'm going to go finish my lm 13 install. will play with open webOS later. by all Aug 31 16:10:23 ..bye all Aug 31 16:10:43 PatrickC, huh? Aug 31 16:10:43 yep Aug 31 16:11:02 PatrickC: no, it *only* builds on 32bit but not on 64bit Aug 31 16:11:31 Grabber5_0: err... I mean, from what to what to what did it change? did you have "Regions" before? Aug 31 16:11:32 pc-world, scoutcamper, according to the build-webos github, builds on 64 bit ubuntu aren't supported yet Aug 31 16:12:16 PatrickC, correct. re-read your orriginal statement. Aug 31 16:12:21 PatrickC: yes, but you said "builds on 32 bit not supported" Aug 31 16:12:45 64* sorry Aug 31 16:19:37 Enda McGrath on Twitter (@opewebosdev): "Excitement is building........" - so they'll probably announce it today Aug 31 16:20:14 *@openwebosdev Aug 31 16:20:40 pc-world, yes, I had selected regions before. after hiding the keyboard, when it displays again it goes back to the default keyboard. Aug 31 16:21:06 well guys, I need to get back to work Aug 31 16:21:07 noticed that too... but that X key isn't supposed to be an official feature anyway Aug 31 16:21:14 no? Aug 31 16:21:15 have fun Aug 31 16:21:31 well, I guess it's for debugging purposes Aug 31 16:21:36 darn top-secret x key feature :-P Aug 31 16:39:34 grmbl... g++ is sooo slowww Aug 31 16:59:42 err... has it been sitting on the same file for a few min now?! Aug 31 17:06:08 it's compiling some SVG things for over 15min now, maybe even 30 Aug 31 17:06:25 I really need to choose a new computer soon... Aug 31 17:12:31 http://www.openwebosproject.org/overview/license--here is the blog entry Aug 31 17:12:54 nope sorry Aug 31 17:13:04 It took me about 1 hour or more to compile the webkit stuff. Aug 31 17:13:05 lol Aug 31 17:14:10 http://blog.openwebosproject.org/--here it is Aug 31 17:14:12 a friend of mine "borrowed" a 64core machine...it built in <11minutes (from scratch) Aug 31 17:15:10 what is open-embedded? The build provides an ARM emulator, running core services such as db8 and node.js.We are actively converging on an OE Core image which boots to System Manager and the full webOS experience. Aug 31 17:15:17 ok, i'm back Aug 31 17:15:22 Can someone translate that? Aug 31 17:15:25 hi back Aug 31 17:15:40 bluen, to Klington? Aug 31 17:15:49 s/Klington/Klingon/ Aug 31 17:15:51 ka6sox meant: bluen, to Klingon? Aug 31 17:16:37 bluen, it means that they are using OE as the framework to build future versions of webOS Aug 31 17:17:12 cryptik: thanks! Aug 31 17:18:05 and i'm up! Aug 31 17:18:23 bluen: Thanks for the post.... Aug 31 17:18:27 Ka6sox: NuqneH Aug 31 17:18:49 ka6sox: 64 cores?? how many real CPUs? Aug 31 17:19:29 ka6sox: NOOKH DAHKH YUJE DAH'POLE (heh heh heh) Aug 31 17:20:47 calendar app agenda button seems new Aug 31 17:20:58 pc-world, 64/12 Aug 31 17:21:01 and also seems like it was added as an afterthought Aug 31 17:31:08 my quicklaunch has no icons in it. how sad. Aug 31 17:32:32 both the phone and tablet notification areas are on Aug 31 17:33:35 and it appears to have completely frozen my VM Aug 31 17:44:03 dumb question: is there an i686 compatible version of LunaCE that can be used/installed on the emulator/virtualbox? Aug 31 17:48:03 GeekPeter: no Aug 31 17:48:19 k, cheers Aug 31 17:48:21 nobody has written an i686 build script (target) yet afaik... Aug 31 17:48:42 ah np, just seeign what preware can stuff into the emulator atm, that was my first thought Aug 31 17:48:49 GeekPeter: though that Open webOS build compiles on/for x86 Aug 31 17:49:37 k Aug 31 17:50:21 it's still compiling some svg stuff :o Aug 31 17:51:48 screen posted .. http://www.ericbla.de/synergv/open-webos-beta/ Aug 31 17:54:20 EricBlade: lol that Agenda button is really off Aug 31 18:00:00 so.. how do we install something into it Aug 31 18:00:16 such as, perhaps.. the browser Aug 31 18:02:35 did you try palm-install? Aug 31 18:03:13 (not sure if it contains novacomd) Aug 31 18:10:24 doesn't appear to. Aug 31 18:27:39 Src/Main.cpp:23: fatal error: lunaservice.h: No such file or directory Aug 31 18:27:39 (...) Aug 31 18:27:39 Src/Utils.h:30: fatal error: cjson/json.h: No such file or directory Aug 31 18:27:41 hmm Aug 31 18:30:41 hmm, now I only have the second error message, it seems Aug 31 18:32:07 EricBlade: You said that both phone and tablet notification areas are on. Does that mean OWO beta still has some of the phone code in it? Aug 31 18:50:13 is that Open webOS mailing list public yet? Aug 31 18:53:22 http://mailman.openwebosproject.org/mailman/listinfo Aug 31 18:53:35 panda-z: thanks Aug 31 18:54:41 I'd better learn how to use bitbake. Aug 31 18:55:32 it's pretty straight forward from what I remember Aug 31 18:55:41 it's been a long time since I've done it though Aug 31 18:56:01 time for bed, nn all Aug 31 18:59:41 open webos beta. man i better finish this app quick >.< Aug 31 19:16:47 fixed the bug... Aug 31 19:18:07 does anyone know how to submit patches to Open webOS? Github pull requests? Aug 31 19:20:47 pc-world, that would probably be a good option Aug 31 19:20:54 is it a bug fix? feature add? Aug 31 19:21:06 cryptk: fixed a build bug Aug 31 19:21:55 yep, a pull request that is based off the latest master at that time would probably be your best option Aug 31 19:28:56 okay, done Aug 31 19:41:16 . Aug 31 19:43:32 bluen_: .. Aug 31 19:45:57 webos bug likely older than CE: full-screen apps intentionally do not allow screen timeout / exhibition mode while they are full screen. letting one idle for a long time, then pressing the home button, causes a switch to exhibition mode immediately after the app is out of full screen Aug 31 19:52:44 i can't wait to get the laptop booted up at home and run open webOS!! :D Aug 31 19:53:57 EricBlade: -> bugtracker? :) Aug 31 19:54:18 yay! build "Complete." Aug 31 19:55:51 this was about 6-7hours...:D Aug 31 19:57:43 hmm, when I run "./service-bus.sh services" I get "ERROR: LunaSysService not present in /usr/lib/luna" Aug 31 19:58:23 pc-world: you missed the install step probably Aug 31 19:58:32 no Aug 31 19:58:48 EricBlade: but there's probably a similar bug as in luna-sysservice, that they ignore $BASE and use $HOME instead Aug 31 20:00:46 or, as it seems, you have to set $BASE in the install script too Aug 31 20:02:52 I though luna-send is a command only present in webOS itself, not the SDK? Aug 31 20:03:16 when running "./service-bus.sh init" I get "./service-bus.sh: line 218: luna-send: command not found" (same for lines 219-220) Aug 31 20:05:34 pc-world, did you run the install script? Aug 31 20:05:53 cryptk: yes, two times (because I had to fix the $BASE variable) Aug 31 20:06:06 hrm, I have never gotten that before Aug 31 20:06:11 and I have built it many many times Aug 31 20:06:34 after running the install script the first time I tried it with the parameter "remove", but it said "Nothing to remove" for some reason Aug 31 20:06:45 where is luna-send supposed to be? Aug 31 20:13:18 hmm... luna-send is in build-desktop... I also tried prefixing the call with "./" and tried "chmod +x ./luna-send" Aug 31 20:14:52 or, wait... the "luna-send" file just calls "./service-bus.sh $@"... which then again calls luna-send ?!? Aug 31 20:15:08 * "./service-bus.sh send $@" Aug 31 20:22:19 solved it: in service-bus.sh there was another $BASE variable I had to update Aug 31 20:26:45 yeah, LunaSysMgr running :) Aug 31 20:28:31 for some reason the add button in memos is missing Aug 31 20:29:52 EricBlade: have you tried putting apps in luna-desktop-binaries/rootfs/usr/palm/applications ? Aug 31 20:30:24 i have not tried anything. i am baby sitting my smoldering webserver, while waiting for an important phone call :-) Aug 31 20:30:37 but i will try that when i'm done Aug 31 20:30:59 k Aug 31 20:31:41 * halfhalo puts the lighter+lighter fluid away Aug 31 20:35:07 I'm waiting for the time someone will build this for Android... just for fun Aug 31 20:47:20 we could theoretically run this on anything that runs ubuntu, right now .. although it wouldn't be particularly well built for it Aug 31 20:49:54 lol build a version for webOS ubuntuchroot ¬ ¬ Aug 31 20:52:16 GeekPeter: haha, that would be reaaaally nice... Aug 31 20:52:25 and a bit weird Aug 31 20:52:58 its a weird/slow way to get open webOS on the touchpad ¬ ¬ Aug 31 20:53:06 somehow my TouchPad feels better than that desktop Open webOS ^^ Aug 31 20:53:18 :) Aug 31 20:53:38 it's so... empty :D Aug 31 20:54:02 bit liek when we first unboxed the real tp tbh :) Aug 31 20:54:20 can you fake/force the catalogue? Aug 31 20:55:12 GeekPeter: with much work you might be able to do that Aug 31 20:55:18 but wouldn't really make sense Aug 31 20:55:28 its something else to run ¬ ¬ Aug 31 20:55:39 GeekPeter: well, you can install apps manually Aug 31 20:56:08 ...if they work is another question Aug 31 20:56:32 was thinking more if you could get that on youd have the upcoming ontap/pivot to read, soon(tm) Aug 31 20:58:35 has anyone got open webos to build on linux mint? Aug 31 20:58:45 so if you dont have much running, what will you showcase when you have a ncie build to show off? just the stock apps doing their thing? Aug 31 20:59:14 k4ever: is that qt4-qmake still your problem? Aug 31 21:00:01 yes, can't find a solution anywhere Aug 31 21:01:00 the mint-help irc is worthless (been that way for a while) and google gets me nowhere Aug 31 21:01:25 k4ever: could you post the whole error message? Aug 31 21:01:58 sudo apt-get build-dep qt4-qmake Aug 31 21:01:59 Reading package lists... Done Aug 31 21:01:59 Building dependency tree Aug 31 21:01:59 Reading state information... Done Aug 31 21:01:59 Picking 'qt4-x11' as source package instead of 'qt4-qmake' Aug 31 21:02:01 E: Unable to find a source package for qt4-x11 Aug 31 21:03:35 k4ever: is that a new Mint installation, e.g. in a VM? Aug 31 21:05:10 pc-world: no it is 32bit linux mint 12 running native on my desktop. Aug 31 21:08:44 k4ever: maybe try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/21379/how-do-i-find-the-build-dependencies-of-a-package Aug 31 21:10:54 thanks, trying that now Aug 31 21:15:56 pc-world: well i hope i did this right. what did you run to clone the git repository on your computer? or did you just download the zip? Aug 31 21:16:31 git clone Aug 31 21:16:42 but that's independent of your build-dep problem Aug 31 21:18:02 apt-get build-dep qt4? Aug 31 21:18:13 qmake should be in the base package not the x11 subpackage Aug 31 21:19:01 * rrix channels his fedora knowledge and crosses his fingers Aug 31 21:19:37 rrix: Ubuntu 10.10 also installed the x11 subpackage instead Aug 31 21:19:50 (and worked) Aug 31 21:21:26 * rrix shrugs Aug 31 21:30:20 hey, is anyone online? Aug 31 21:31:10 i need some help installing LunaCE :] Aug 31 21:31:46 cbosdell: 51 people Aug 31 21:33:57 lol i meant actually in the channel and not afk or whatnot Aug 31 21:35:15 cbosdell: you see, there's at least me responding to you :P Aug 31 21:35:34 i already had the beta feeds installed on my TouchPad and the LunaCE beta feed wasn't in Preware. I've tried removing and reinstalling preware and it still isn't showing up and neither is LunaCE however the Palm LunaSysMgr is showing up in Preware. Aug 31 21:35:38 I'm at a loss as to what to do now. Aug 31 21:35:42 Haha yeah, I appreciate it. :p Aug 31 21:36:04 Idk if I can just manually add that beta feed or what to do? Aug 31 21:36:34 cbosdell: do you have Preware 1.9.12? Aug 31 21:36:45 or later Aug 31 21:37:11 and done an "update feeds" ? Aug 31 21:37:58 I do and I have done that a few times to no avail. Aug 31 21:38:43 cbosdell: do you see other beta feeds? e.g. beta-apps Aug 31 21:39:01 i see beta-apps, beta-kernels, beta-optware, and beta-patches Aug 31 21:39:37 manage feeds Aug 31 21:40:24 cbosdell: and I guess you already tried removing and then reinstalling beta feeds? (not sure if there's any chance this could help) Aug 31 21:40:39 i removed preware and reinstalled beta feeds Aug 31 21:40:44 i did not specifically uninstall beta feeds though Aug 31 21:40:47 i can try that? Aug 31 21:40:49 cbosdell: you could try that Aug 31 21:41:01 your missing 1 feed like Aug 31 21:41:02 cbosdell, you need to manage feeds and turn on woce-beta Aug 31 21:41:13 ka6sox: he said he doesn't see that feed (I think) Aug 31 21:41:20 yeah i've looked and it's not there Aug 31 21:41:29 i'm going to try un and reinstalling Aug 31 21:41:29 then you are not on 1.9.12+ Aug 31 21:41:45 cbosdell, update to latest preware. Aug 31 21:41:56 i was on that Aug 31 21:42:10 i'm reinstalling now though Aug 31 21:42:32 dont think it matters either but does his quick installer jar need to be latest for him to get latest preware Aug 31 21:43:18 i've got 4.4.0 for that? Aug 31 21:43:20 is there a newer one Aug 31 21:44:20 cbosdell: there are separate instructions to enable the beta feed for CE; this is the same as the beta feed for Preware Aug 31 21:44:27 not the same, sorry Aug 31 21:44:52 bluen: how should they be different? Aug 31 21:45:00 ok, had to add: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric main restricted to my source list and now it works! Aug 31 21:45:39 k4ever: great Aug 31 21:47:22 guess that is already added to the list in regular ubuntu, but not for use mint folks! well off to building Aug 31 21:51:00 pc-world: i mean the beta-woce feed needs to be installed, not just the generic beta feed Aug 31 21:51:32 i deleted preware, removed the beta feeds, and installed them again and preware Aug 31 21:51:40 beta-woce is showing up under manage feeds now so i enabled it Aug 31 21:51:53 however i still don't see LunaCE just the Palm LunaSysMgr Aug 31 21:52:24 bluen: afaik you just need to enable it in "manage feeds"... nothing special there. His problem was that he didn't see it Aug 31 21:52:31 i didnt see it when my preware did an auto update on launch, only appeared when i did a manual feed update Aug 31 21:52:39 cbosdell: did you update feeds? Aug 31 21:52:44 after you enabled beta-woce Aug 31 21:53:09 (explicitly updating/downloading feeds is an option in the app menu) Aug 31 21:53:39 wow i feel stupid Aug 31 21:53:41 that did it Aug 31 21:53:45 installing it now Aug 31 21:53:45 :D Aug 31 21:53:46 \o/ Aug 31 21:54:31 then youll need the tweaks app to actually turn CE's functions on, if you dont have that already Aug 31 21:54:45 pc-world: ok the instructions may have changed as at one point as when CE was first created, i thought i had to install separate feeds for alpha and beta CE Aug 31 21:55:56 does CE still show up twice? the beta and alpha? will you remoev the alpha now its beta? incase someone grabs the older one? Aug 31 21:56:03 bluen: you just need to follow the instructions at testing.preware.org and then enable the woce feeds in "manage feeds" Aug 31 21:56:38 GeekPeter: LunaCE alpha seems to be gone Aug 31 21:56:44 legend :D Aug 31 21:57:14 GeekPeter: though I'm not sure if/how they intend to release other alphas of LunaCE Aug 31 21:57:41 ah can/will it go back to an alpha model at some point like? new features etc? Aug 31 21:58:01 GeekPeter: I don't know Aug 31 21:58:08 was gonan remoev the alpah feed, may as well keep it on then Aug 31 21:58:30 cbosdell: don't forget to check if your version of Tweaks is at leat 3.0.0 Aug 31 21:58:32 *least Aug 31 21:59:24 * GeekPeter gets moist at the thought of maybe getting a chrooted openwebos to add to executah's list Aug 31 22:00:47 I still have an alpha-woce Aug 31 22:00:58 feed, Aug 31 22:00:58 bluen: sure the feed is there Aug 31 22:01:07 ok thanks Aug 31 22:01:09 bluen: but the last time I checked the LunaCE alpha package was gone Aug 31 22:01:42 pc-world: ok, i did not check as i turned the alpha feed off when beta arrived so that i would not confuse installations Aug 31 22:03:02 pc-world: i started running the build desktop script in ubuntu, i am assuming it will take the max 3 hours as i am only using one core Aug 31 22:03:33 bluen: I have one core (two simulated ones), it took about 6-7 hours for me Aug 31 22:03:49 pc-world; thanks Aug 31 22:03:50 (iirc) Aug 31 22:09:08 I am now running LunaCE 4.5.1 :D Aug 31 22:09:10 Thanks for all the help! Aug 31 22:09:34 have fun with it! Aug 31 22:20:27 whoa whoa whoa what on earth just happened.. i was getting about 10-15 hits per minute on my website since posting the screenshot.. it just skyrocketed to 60 Aug 31 22:21:35 hah Aug 31 22:22:32 lol Aug 31 22:29:04 http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/hp-web-os/?partner=yahoofinance Aug 31 22:30:40 * rrix sighs at nyt Aug 31 22:30:41 Opening up the software could bring it to newer types of mobile devices, sensors, security devices, even robots" Aug 31 22:31:01 fix its core issues first and that may happen aye Aug 31 22:32:26 well 2 issues i find crippling, app database full and the old system must be restarted/reset Aug 31 22:32:37 bar that its all gravy Aug 31 22:39:23 this HP quote is a direct refutation of gruber who said webOS was like a dog released into the wild : "“It’s not that we’ve released it and thrown it over the fence into the wild, and are waiting to see what will happen,” said Martin Risau, senior vice president of WebOS. “It’s our plan to continue to develop WebOS.” Aug 31 22:40:30 pc-world, ping? Aug 31 22:42:33 gee, gruber was wrong about something? I'm shocked Aug 31 22:42:44 gruber? wasn't that the bad guy in Die Hard? Aug 31 22:42:50 hans :D Aug 31 22:44:31 rrix, Ericblade :D Aug 31 22:44:53 http://daringfireball.net/ < gruber Aug 31 22:56:23 ok, so, say i want to do some developmentationating Aug 31 22:56:37 what branch should i have checked out before starting Aug 31 23:01:25 EricBlade, depends on what you want to build? Aug 31 23:02:22 ka6sox: just a quick patch to the issue i submitted Aug 31 23:03:21 iirc he is still working out of the features branch. Aug 31 23:09:18 ka6sox: ping back Aug 31 23:09:39 does that easteregg have no backend? Aug 31 23:09:56 ka6sox: it isn't a real easteregg Aug 31 23:10:04 it's something they used for debugging purposes Aug 31 23:10:19 press-and-hold the X key and press "Regions" Aug 31 23:11:05 pc-world, ty Aug 31 23:34:50 ShiftyAxel: how was the party? Aug 31 23:36:28 party? and I missed it? Aug 31 23:42:33 bluen: it was pretty cool, booze and winning at Quake death match :) Aug 31 23:43:15 ka6sox: I'm afraid so, though the internet there was so bad I doubt anyone outside our LAN would have had a fair chance Aug 31 23:43:50 I see OWO went beta while I was away :D Aug 31 23:47:51 ShiftyAxel: whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?! Aug 31 23:49:02 EricBlade: him? Aug 31 23:49:09 *hm? Aug 31 23:56:54 open webos came out?? Aug 31 23:58:25 EricBlade: http://blog.openwebosproject.org/ Aug 31 23:58:55 ShiftyAxel: oh, THAT open webos. yeah Aug 31 23:59:05 O_o Aug 31 23:59:13 old news is old. haha Aug 31 23:59:15 :) Aug 31 23:59:38 I've been fragging without a proper internet connection all day :P Sep 01 00:04:48 so, when can I run this on my toaster? Sep 01 00:06:22 EricBlade: so have you done a build yet? Sep 01 00:06:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec Sep 01 00:06:54 build 1 based on webos and ill die a happy man Sep 01 00:07:56 ShiftyAxel: built, ran, etc Sep 01 00:08:12 ShiftyAxel: http://www.ericbla.de/synergv/open-webos-beta/ Sep 01 00:08:24 how's performance looking? Sep 01 00:09:10 btw I saw you mentioned phone-style notifications earlier, those are in 3.0.5 too Sep 01 00:09:27 you just have to disable the VKB to make them appear... Sep 01 00:10:05 I did some work to make the two compatible, but accidentally nuked the repo >_> Sep 01 00:11:01 ShiftyAxel: both phone and tablet notifications at the same time? Sep 01 00:11:48 sort of Sep 01 00:12:08 sort of, or actually Sep 01 00:12:46 with the VKB disabled, the notification icons show up at the top of the screen and the bottom Sep 01 00:13:07 but when you tap on either of them it brings up the 2.x style dashboard Sep 01 00:13:23 instead of the 3.x popup thing Sep 01 00:16:53 the amount of code needed to make them VKB-compatible wasn't huge either, and it's easy to make it check for tabletUi instead of the vkb Sep 01 00:17:39 I wanted to make it a tweak, but all the init's done before preferences is available :( Sep 01 00:31:39 ah. so that's what i was seeing then Sep 01 00:31:58 yeah Sep 01 00:32:04 ok, forgive the offtopic, but where the hell did google put the option to send a particular phone number to voicemail Sep 01 00:56:12 whew, i found it, it's in the Contact Editor and not in Voice itself **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 01 03:00:02 2012