**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 01 03:00:02 2012 Sep 01 03:19:05 hi all Sep 01 03:19:32 hey k4ever Sep 01 03:19:49 i built openwebOS on my linux mint machine and i can't get it to run Sep 01 03:20:56 running ./run-luna-sysmgr.sh ends with this: First run the install script: sudo ./install-luna-sysmgr.sh Sep 01 03:21:13 anyone else have this issue? Sep 01 03:21:49 hey PatrickC Sep 01 03:22:13 k4ever, stupid question.. have you run the installer? Sep 01 03:23:38 PatrickC: not a stupid question. stupid me skipped a step. just ran it. will try again :) Sep 01 03:23:47 haha Sep 01 03:26:00 hey LarrySteeze Sep 01 03:26:26 yo Sep 01 03:26:36 hows thing? Sep 01 03:27:39 don't know...haven't met him. I thought he was only a character from the Adam's family movies Sep 01 03:27:57 haha Sep 01 03:28:01 was suppose to say things... Sep 01 03:28:23 * PatrickC goes back to installing the ubuntu img to his usb stick? Sep 01 03:34:00 k4ever: does it work now for you? Sep 01 03:35:06 pc-world: yes. what resolution are you guys using? the lsm window is too tall for my desktop Sep 01 03:36:09 k4ever: edit /etc/palm/luna-platform.conf to ajust the window size Sep 01 03:37:21 k4ever: not sure... was pretty small on my desktop Sep 01 03:37:32 I guess it was 1024x768 Sep 01 03:37:58 my desktop is 1280 x 768 Sep 01 03:38:29 and mine is 1366 x 768 Sep 01 03:39:42 mine 1680x1050, so Luna was actually pretty small on it Sep 01 03:45:34 i wonder what would be a good resolution to set it to? right now it is 1024x768 Sep 01 03:54:22 hey guys Sep 01 03:58:51 whats happenin Sep 01 04:00:32 hey its EricBlade-TP! Sep 01 04:00:40 where?? Sep 01 04:01:28 hmm as much as i like the ios multi finger app switch gesture, i think ours is really growing on me Sep 01 04:06:23 multifinger app switch? Sep 01 04:06:45 is that a LunaCE feature? (I've been out of the loop lately) Sep 01 04:07:24 invalidopcode: no... on the iPad you swipe with four (?) fingers on the screen to switch between apps Sep 01 04:07:34 in LunaCE you just swipe at the side (left/right) Sep 01 04:07:38 pc-world1: an okay Sep 01 04:07:41 *ah Sep 01 04:08:01 I don't venture into the iOS world anymore, so I don't keep up on that stuff Sep 01 04:08:09 I like the LunaCE implementation of app switching... though sometimes you do it accidentally (but that's something that can be improved) Sep 01 04:08:23 openwebos is pretty sparce right now. anyone got anything to install on it successfully? Sep 01 04:08:50 k4ever: did you try putting apps in rootfs? Sep 01 04:09:01 not yet Sep 01 04:09:29 I'm really curious if they'll soon give us some docs which tell us what we can do with webos-desktop at all Sep 01 04:10:26 changing code with build-desktop doesn't seem to be really possible, or it isn't supposed to do that Sep 01 04:12:11 As said in the openwebosproject blog, "Our desktop build provides the ideal development environment for enhancing the webOS user experience with new features and integrating state of the art open source technologies. Developers can now use all their desktop tools on powerful development machines." Sep 01 04:12:24 no music player, no gallery app, no way to change the wallpaper or set one... Sep 01 04:12:54 i did not see a web browser either. did i need to compile one? Sep 01 04:12:59 lol Sep 01 04:13:14 k4ever: you could try to compile/install Isis Sep 01 04:13:41 I've found a new repo: https://github.com/openwebos/build-webos Sep 01 04:13:42 kind of sad to say this, but what we can see right now looks more pre-alpha than beta Sep 01 04:13:56 panda-z: that's for the arm emulator I think Sep 01 04:14:23 panda-z: "This directory and the repository in which it resides hold upper level code used to aggregate the various OpenEmbedded layers, into webOS" Sep 01 04:15:09 err... why should you need SSH keys if you just clone the repos? Sep 01 04:15:35 pc-world1: dunno Sep 01 04:15:54 panda-z: that build-webos is using qemux86 to emulate arm code Sep 01 04:16:03 oops Sep 01 04:16:16 i have a reason to believe that webview is not currently working in open webos on desktop Sep 01 04:16:29 seems you can both use qemux86 and qemuarm Sep 01 04:17:11 They said the OpenEmbedded build can help porting OWOS to new and existing devices. Sep 01 04:18:40 existing webos devices would be nice :) Sep 01 04:18:51 but at least compiling build-desktop worked without any major errors, which is a good thing Sep 01 04:19:03 invalidopcode: you're more than welcome to do that :D Sep 01 04:19:25 pc-world1: you want to help? its embedded programming for you :P Sep 01 04:19:49 though running desktop-webos on webOS might be even easier than fully porting Open webOS to the TP Sep 01 04:20:11 was wondering if openembedded was used to get ubuntu on the touchpad. Sep 01 04:20:29 invalidopcode: I currently rather work on LunaCE where I don't have to worry about any of these hardware things :P Sep 01 04:20:38 anyone actually do anything with the oe build? i need to learn this concept Sep 01 04:20:45 k4ever: no... that "Ubuntu" on the TouchPad is just a chroot Sep 01 04:20:53 with Ubuntu-arm in it Sep 01 04:21:09 pc-world: no the native ubuntu Sep 01 04:21:19 pc-world1: where's the fun in that? Sep 01 04:21:23 k4ever: native Ubuntu... on the TouchPad? Sep 01 04:21:24 there is a ubuntu that runs as boot, i think.. but still the desktop compilation would need some changes anyway Sep 01 04:21:49 EricBlade-TP: really? haven't heard of that, though that sounds awesome ^^ Sep 01 04:21:49 pc-world1: no, the LunaCE Sep 01 04:21:52 an intel tablet, on the other hand... Sep 01 04:22:55 pc-world: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1304475 Sep 01 04:23:24 wow... Sep 01 04:23:31 how come PreCentral didn't post about this? Sep 01 04:24:13 i thought they did. i was running it a few months ago triple boot with cm9 and webOS Sep 01 04:24:47 I triple boot mine with Archlinux cm9 and webox Sep 01 04:24:52 problem was that the developer could not get sound to work. Sep 01 04:25:21 does sound work in Archlinux? Sep 01 04:25:49 I only have webOS and CM9... didn't know about these other ports Sep 01 04:26:16 touchpad is one bad a&& piece of hardware Sep 01 04:26:58 I guess they didn't get WiFi to work though? Sep 01 04:27:36 wifi was working. so was bluetooth Sep 01 04:27:52 cool Sep 01 04:27:58 gonna install that Sep 01 04:28:05 sound was not working. Sep 01 04:28:16 I don't need sound when I have a working Ubuntu on my TP :D Sep 01 04:28:29 still, the ubuntu webos is going to be at least somewhat more intensive than if it were built for it Sep 01 04:28:34 whatever you do, don't update it to 12.04. nothing but problems Sep 01 04:28:50 k4ever: the reason why I'm still on 10.10 even on my desktop PC Sep 01 04:28:57 and I regret that I upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 Sep 01 04:29:29 k4ever: so, does that mean Bluetooth mouse and keyboard does work? :o Sep 01 04:29:31 the build from the link is 11.04. it was running pretty good Sep 01 04:29:53 pc-world1: I don't remember if sound worked or not.... Sep 01 04:30:13 the hp bluetooth keyboard worked. did not have a bluetooth mouse to try Sep 01 04:30:41 invalidopcode: well, if I boot my TP into Ubuntu I don't care much about sound... just thinking about Ubuntu on a tablet sounds awesome :D Sep 01 04:31:54 pc-world1: I like Archlinux... its smaller and faster Sep 01 04:32:14 well, I wouldn't mind that on the TP... is it stable? Sep 01 04:32:18 if all of the build tools are there, should be able to build openembedded version of OWOS for ubuntu native. Sep 01 04:32:22 awww too bad cwayne isn't here to defend ubuntu :P Sep 01 04:32:43 invalidopcode: what's up with this cwayne? Sep 01 04:32:43 pc-world1: I didn't stress test it, but it seemed stable to me Sep 01 04:32:54 he works at canonical Sep 01 04:33:01 ahh Sep 01 04:33:15 months ago, we got into these debates over distros in #webos Sep 01 04:33:21 tell him Canonical should join the MATE or Cinnamon effort and cancel Unity :P Sep 01 04:33:35 he's a pretty cool guy Sep 01 04:33:53 haha Sep 01 04:35:16 invalidopcode: so... where do I find that archlinux for TP? Sep 01 04:35:43 https://github.com/crimsonredmk/ArchLinuxARM-TouchPad Sep 01 04:36:10 I guess building it takes a while? Sep 01 04:36:39 it took about an hour i think Sep 01 04:36:48 mainly you are just waiting for the files to copy Sep 01 04:37:08 fair warning, don't mess around when following the instructions Sep 01 04:37:20 I've bricked my touchpad before by doing that :P Sep 01 04:37:42 like actually bricked bricked, like send back to HP bricked Sep 01 04:37:54 invalidopcode: lol did they send you a replacement? Sep 01 04:37:59 yup Sep 01 04:38:08 well I fear they won't have any anymore Sep 01 04:38:19 it was still under warranty at the time Sep 01 04:38:39 I probably don't have any warranty officially... I got my TP from Palm directly Sep 01 04:40:37 ah Sep 01 04:40:48 I got mine when they had the developer firesale Sep 01 04:41:02 I was too late at that one... Sep 01 04:41:18 and then some nice devrel guy sent me one Sep 01 04:41:32 here is page on xda: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1364034 Sep 01 04:41:35 ah haha that's awesoe Sep 01 04:42:22 it was funny, because I had registered for a palm dev account but didn't ever use it, then I got an email to get a device for $150, so i decided to get it Sep 01 04:42:25 k4ever: thx Sep 01 04:42:40 np Sep 01 04:43:03 invalidopcode: I also got a (free) Pre2 from them... but that took like 20 e-mails Sep 01 04:43:18 ah haa Sep 01 04:43:30 invalidopcode: and, one of those webOS devrel guys went to Nokia... that's why I have that developer Lumia 800 :D Sep 01 04:43:48 yeah same here :P except I got a Pre3 :) Sep 01 04:44:05 and that's how I got my 800 as well Sep 01 04:44:36 invalidopcode: I don't have a Pre3... neither do I have a Veer (I've still laying around my old Pre-, rarely use it as WiFi hotspot) Sep 01 04:45:13 ah Sep 01 04:45:30 I guess I have some things to do at the weekend... installing Ubuntu and/or Archlinux on my TP Sep 01 04:45:32 the Pre3 is really nice hardware, its software just feels glitchy Sep 01 04:45:38 haha awesome! Sep 01 04:47:05 * invalidopcode is building webos openembedded Sep 01 04:48:02 invalidopcode: hehe, let us know if it works! Sep 01 04:48:13 haha okay Sep 01 04:49:43 invalidopcode: what are you going to put it on once it is finished? Sep 01 04:50:20 k4ever: I was going to just use the qemux86 Sep 01 04:51:12 PatrickC: my laptop is enjoying using its cores to their full capacity for this build :) Sep 01 04:52:58 are you sure that WiFi worked on Ubuntu-TP? cause on the xda thread alpha 0.0.4 is listed as the lastest version, and the woman in the video (also alpha 0.0.4) says WiFi isn't working Sep 01 04:53:11 invalidopcode, BAH lol Sep 01 04:53:18 pc-world1: it works on ArchLinux Sep 01 04:54:04 pc-world1: when you install Archlinux the touch driver will be horrible, but then if you can suffer through it enough to run an update (pacman -Syu) Sep 01 04:54:11 then it will get a ton better Sep 01 04:54:25 PatrickC: my laptop's doing real work :P Sep 01 04:54:56 invalidopcode: thx - the downside is, I'm really used to Debian-based systems, so I don't know much about other package managers ^^ Sep 01 04:55:18 pacman is really easy Sep 01 04:55:36 I actually like it better than apt-get Sep 01 04:55:49 invalidopcode, so is mine.. resizing windows to allow space for ubuntu ;) Sep 01 04:56:04 shrinking from 255GB to 60GB haha Sep 01 04:56:06 PatrickC: child's play :P Sep 01 04:56:14 lol Sep 01 04:56:19 just takes time Sep 01 04:56:23 then the real fun begins :) Sep 01 04:56:28 installing and configuring Ubuntu Sep 01 04:56:38 getting drivers to work, installing dependencies, etc. Sep 01 04:56:59 pc-world1: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25388992&postcount=509 Sep 01 04:57:21 Ubuntu is usually pretty good about "just working" now-a-days Sep 01 04:57:34 k4ever: thanks again :) Sep 01 04:57:41 invalidopcode, i know it is Sep 01 04:58:02 the only thing that doesn't work on my laptop is the fingerprint reader Sep 01 04:58:38 invalidopcode: the Windows WiFi driver for my WiFi chip using ndiswrapper works much more stable (or 100% stable) on Ubuntu - whereas on Windows it disconnects all the time :D Sep 01 04:58:57 hahaha Sep 01 04:59:08 that's pretty funnt Sep 01 04:59:14 *funny Sep 01 04:59:19 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1367226?start=0&tstart=0 Sep 01 04:59:23 apple would do something like that Sep 01 05:00:42 that doesn't sound very user-friendly to me Sep 01 05:00:49 no it doesn't... Sep 01 05:00:58 and what do you think sparked my google search to find that? :P Sep 01 05:01:52 It took about 5 hours for ubuntu on my laptop to "build webOS". I have not done the "installling Open webOS" yet. Sep 01 05:02:04 PatrickC: what? Sep 01 05:02:23 the sudden red glow next to me on my couch while resizing my partitions lol Sep 01 05:02:23 bluen: afaik it took about 6-7 hours on my PC... Sep 01 05:02:38 * PatrickC wonders how long it'll take on the mac Sep 01 05:02:45 i hope only about 5-6 Sep 01 05:03:07 pc-world1: yes glad you told me what to expect Sep 01 05:03:23 PatrickC: according to the build instructions it's something like 1-3h Sep 01 05:03:40 pc-world1, then why did it take so long for you and bluen ? Sep 01 05:03:43 it looks like its moving along nicely on my laptop Sep 01 05:03:58 PatrickC: not the best hardware, I guess Sep 01 05:04:05 ah Sep 01 05:04:30 i would love to see how long it would take on this laptop.. (my old i3-370m/3gb ram) Sep 01 05:04:36 PatrickC: 4 year old mac, running on vmware Sep 01 05:04:43 PatrickC: 4 months Sep 01 05:04:49 might be done by christmas Sep 01 05:05:00 invalidopcode, i was hoping to be done by Thanksgiving :/ Sep 01 05:05:12 it took 11min on ka6sox's 64core machine to build webos-desktop... Sep 01 05:05:21 geez Sep 01 05:05:22 64 core...... Sep 01 05:05:36 x64 or 64 core? Sep 01 05:05:45 lol Sep 01 05:05:48 my desktop build took about 2 hrs i think Sep 01 05:06:06 EricBlade-TP: what are the specs of your computer? Sep 01 05:06:15 invalidopcode: "(19:14:13) ka6sox: a friend of mine "borrowed" a 64core machine...it built in <11minutes (from scratch)" Sep 01 05:06:22 invalidopcode: can you give me a quick rundown of how to build this oe thing? Sep 01 05:06:22 My record is around 45 minutes iirc. Sep 01 05:06:38 invalidopcode: quad core 3.4ghz Sep 01 05:06:43 EricBlade https://github.com/openwebos/build-webos Sep 01 05:06:50 EricBlade-TP: 2500k? Sep 01 05:07:06 pc-world1: holy cow Sep 01 05:07:13 mine took 5 hours Sep 01 05:07:17 It's probably an Amazon Cloud Sep 01 05:07:28 mine took 5 minutes... Sep 01 05:07:42 ...to load the web page :P Sep 01 05:07:50 PatrickC: ...for cloning the build-desktop repo? :P Sep 01 05:07:59 * invalidopcode ignores PatrickC Sep 01 05:08:05 halfhalo its a amd .. uh.. i forget what one. not a premium one Sep 01 05:08:10 pc-world1, haha i wish i was to that point.. still resizing partitions Sep 01 05:08:10 ah Sep 01 05:08:13 I;m sorry Sep 01 05:08:20 invalidopcode, go ignore yourself :P Sep 01 05:08:32 i'm headed to bed. good night all! Sep 01 05:08:44 night k4ever Sep 01 05:08:44 k4ever: gnight Sep 01 05:08:50 I have my little ole 2500k running at 4.5GHz for building. Sep 01 05:08:59 I think I should go to bed soon too... Sep 01 05:08:59 its a 3.0ghz oc'd Sep 01 05:09:30 invalidopcode: thanks for the link, i havent had time to look at the other repos than the desktop build yet Sep 01 05:09:41 EricBlade-TP: no problem Sep 01 05:09:51 how much RAM does your machine have? Sep 01 05:10:06 ive got two family members in hospital, had to work tonight, had an interview earlier in the day, its a mess this weekend Sep 01 05:10:19 8gig, ive got 2gig on the vm Sep 01 05:10:27 oh wow that stinks (about the weekend) Sep 01 05:11:35 yeah im probably going to have to cross the state on monday and will only have time to meet with one side of the family because we'll have to get back in time to get the kids ready for school Sep 01 05:12:07 woo! resize is done, now just copying the stuff from one partition to the other Sep 01 05:12:14 or at least that's what gparted is telling me lol Sep 01 05:12:22 EricBlade-TP: fun.... Sep 01 05:14:07 PatrickC: huh, you're reminding me that I wanted to do a full backup of my PC... I have *no* complete backup of my OS which I use for about 3 (?) years now :o Sep 01 05:14:25 PatrickC: did you resize hfs+ with gparted? Sep 01 05:17:02 nope. resized the ntfs with gparted Sep 01 05:17:11 gparted doesn't like hfs+ Sep 01 05:18:02 PatrickC: that's why I asked... ^^ Sep 01 05:19:04 lol Sep 01 05:19:09 45 minutes Sep 01 05:19:56 nothing likes hfs+ Sep 01 05:20:24 OS X DOES Sep 01 05:21:07 that's great Sep 01 05:21:53 why not use FFF Sep 01 05:21:58 *FFS Sep 01 05:22:09 Amiga uses it :P Sep 01 05:22:12 ffs ffs Sep 01 05:22:21 close...but no cigar... Sep 01 05:22:43 everything up to qt4-palm_4.8.2.02 worked :p Sep 01 05:23:13 * ka6sox attempts put things back On Topic... Sep 01 05:23:52 whatcha doin ka6sox Sep 01 05:24:12 #webos-internals hasn't been spammed today yet... volunteers? Sep 01 05:24:14 building OpenWebOS the OE way... Sep 01 05:24:21 spammed? Sep 01 05:24:30 poor -internals.. Sep 01 05:24:32 ka6sox: off-topic discussions ;) Sep 01 05:24:50 or peppered with CM9 support questions? Sep 01 05:25:18 ka6sox: lol I suggest you not to read the logs for #webos-ports and #webos :P Sep 01 05:25:32 I did... Sep 01 05:25:48 that was why I reported a build failure in do_configure... Sep 01 05:26:28 * invalidopcode prays ka6sox doesn't block him for off-topic conversations Sep 01 05:26:53 /nuke + pave invalidopcode :D Sep 01 05:27:10 hahaha Sep 01 05:27:31 it's getting light outside, 7am here... time for some sleep - night all Sep 01 05:27:51 upside down world on pc eh? Sep 01 05:28:06 sleep in day, play in night? Sep 01 05:28:29 ka6sox: kinda... I've currently holidays Sep 01 05:28:40 ah, excellent... Sep 01 05:29:06 has anyone heard from Rod lately? its been a while since I've seen anything from him Sep 01 05:29:12 I worked today and I was kind of hoping to get a full build done (it make it to 3057 of 3069 tasks....) Sep 01 05:29:29 invalidopcode: yes, he answered me some questions on #webos-internals today Sep 01 05:29:41 yup Sep 01 05:29:54 ka6sox: no! don't tell me that... I'm at 1141 of 3509 Sep 01 05:30:07 pc-world1: ah okay Sep 01 05:30:14 * halfhalo has a completed build. Worth one internet cookie Sep 01 05:30:17 I think there are issues in qt4-palm still. Sep 01 05:30:35 fortune cookie says....You Fired! Sep 01 05:31:00 * ka6sox is waaay too overtired... Sep 01 05:31:03 hey ka6sox Sep 01 05:31:13 hiya PatrickC I must sleep Sep 01 05:31:21 ok, night then :P Sep 01 05:31:56 night ka6sox-away Sep 01 05:52:34 hmmm Sep 01 05:52:54 yes? Sep 01 05:53:40 whoa, my tabbed card view is seriously broken Sep 01 05:53:52 im getting an app full screen under the tab view Sep 01 05:54:04 i have no ideahow this happened Sep 01 05:55:30 EricBlade-TP: does LunaCE still have issues with flash? Sep 01 06:04:30 running task 2000 of 3509.... Sep 01 06:40:57 invalidopcode: i can't get lunace into full screen in flash Sep 01 06:41:16 EricBlade: ah okay Sep 01 06:43:38 okay time to get some sleep, night EricBlade and PatrickC Sep 01 06:43:51 later Sep 01 06:43:55 night invalidopcode Sep 01 07:12:03 going to bed. when i wake up, i'm going to figure out how to get my CE build back to developmental condition Sep 01 07:12:16 and then i'm going to stop talking about bugs and fix bugs Sep 01 09:34:48 http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228561/HP_releases_open_source_webOS_Community_Edition_for_TouchPads Sep 01 09:35:13 "he 1.0 release will include modernized technologies to enable developers to port webOS to their own hardware, according to the team. Besides that the September release will allow developers to integrate open source technologies such as the BlueZ Linux Bluetooth protocol stack and the GStreamer open source multimedia framework, the team added." Sep 01 09:38:14 dear god let there be some real bluetooth action Sep 01 09:38:54 still the only thing thats embarasing, not being able to send my friends a nice wallpaper or something and only being able to recieve them ¬ ¬ Sep 01 10:53:39 vi ses på lördag Sep 01 11:17:26 * cryptk yawns Sep 01 11:17:28 morning all Sep 01 11:18:03 mornin Sep 01 11:55:47 hey guys is there a list somewhere of the changes when ever LunaCE is updated? Sep 01 12:51:49 morning pc-world Sep 01 12:52:00 hi bluen Sep 01 12:59:46 did anyone report success for an OpenEmbedded build of OW? Sep 01 13:02:14 pc-world: good question. in meantime someone posted a youtube vid on owo running on ubuntu 12.04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i7qrrgOMwY&feature=youtu.be Sep 01 13:03:35 bluen: cool! - for some reason, I don't see the "add memos" button in my build Sep 01 13:11:31 hmm... I opened the accounts app, it displayed the loading message, I had lots of hdd activity and host OS was almost unresponsive... Sep 01 13:11:45 (until I killed Luna) Sep 01 13:12:40 looking at LSM's logs it looks like it was in something like an infinite loop Sep 01 13:13:41 it did take a long time to run for me Sep 01 13:14:34 I get Sep 01 13:14:34 com.palm.app.calendar: CalendarsManager.getCalendarsFailed(): CalendarsManager: getCalendars call failed: {"errorCode":-3970,"errorText":"kind not registered: 'com.palm.calendar:1'","returnValue":false}, file:///usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/0.10/framework/build/enyo-build.js:69 Sep 01 13:14:34 several times Sep 01 13:21:14 pc-world: I don' t know if accounts app is supposed to wrk currently. Would be good to get a list of features planned for 1.0 and how Enda sees the community participating in the beta and the ramp up to 1.0. There were some mailing lists in the openwebos blog post. Sep 01 13:21:57 accounts app works, though there's not much you can do with it Sep 01 13:21:59 bluen: I've subscribed to the mailing lists... only one "welcome" message from an employee so far Sep 01 13:22:12 how did you get calendar app working? Sep 01 13:22:23 it says I need to setup a calendar account first... Sep 01 13:27:13 did you follow the step of creating the device's main account? Sep 01 13:27:27 assuming you're using desktop Sep 01 13:27:29 ? Sep 01 13:29:28 EricBlade: yes I did... though I'm not 100% sure if it was successful Sep 01 13:32:09 i used the main account for contacts Sep 01 13:32:21 er, calendar not contacts Sep 01 13:32:22 pc-world: make sure the db path is correct Sep 01 13:33:40 panda-z: which db path? Sep 01 13:34:41 I guess that there's a problem with the database (probably db8) on my installation, that would explain why there's no "add memo" button in memos Sep 01 13:37:38 works now, after running "./service-bus.sh init" again, thanks Sep 01 13:49:09 bluen: when i try that command^^, it says missing role file for executable and is now hanging. I did not change the folder path except it looks like mojoloader and ls2 are subfolders inside. Sep 01 13:49:34 bluen: I got error messages like that too... Sep 01 13:51:00 but there is a separate folder off the home folder called luna-desktop-binaries: should I be in that folder to create main account? Sep 01 13:54:33 bluen: nope, you should be in build-desktop Sep 01 13:54:46 but I think it works for you, since you showed calendar and memos app in your video? Sep 01 13:57:56 I was disconnect from Internet for a while... Sep 01 13:58:35 pc-world: In the service-bus.sh script, LINE 123 Sep 01 14:10:43 now building webos oe Sep 01 14:11:51 well that was a quick failure Sep 01 14:14:30 pc-world: that was someone else's vid. I reran the commands and now I get exhibition mode clock, nothing else Sep 01 14:15:01 oops Sep 01 14:15:13 bluen: so when you open the memos app you don't see the add button as well? Sep 01 14:18:37 pc-world: I didn't see the add icon until I change the db path. Sep 01 14:24:24 pc-world: I see a black screen with the time and date and battery icon on the right. When I minimize all the windows I see there is a lock screen underneath but I can't get to it in regular size because only the top half of the window shows and there is no way to scroll down Sep 01 14:25:50 bluen: did you try to restart LSM? Sep 01 14:26:36 hmm. the OE build might not work on folders shared in from vbox Sep 01 14:33:26 ? Sep 01 14:33:32 why? Sep 01 14:33:51 oh permissions might be interesting... Sep 01 14:33:52 ya Sep 01 14:34:17 it complains about a "text file being busy" .. my guess is that's something akin to a Windows "SHARING VIOLATION" Sep 01 14:34:52 pc-world: restarted. Now I get the top of the grey just type screen and battery icon, no way to scroll down to see what is at the bottom of the window Sep 01 14:34:56 now building x86 emulator webos Sep 01 14:35:30 pc-world: is there a different display resolution i need in ubuntu Sep 01 14:35:32 bluen: err... could you make a screenshot? Sep 01 14:35:51 bluen: I didn't change anything regarding the screen resolution Sep 01 14:36:12 bluen: oh.. the default res it installs to is probably like 800x600 but the webos screen is 1024x768 Sep 01 14:36:36 you might want to install the virtualbox guest additions, so you can resize the window to whatever you want, or just run it in full screen or seamless mode Sep 01 14:36:53 bluen: ah, do you run Ubuntu in a VM? Sep 01 14:37:49 vm in vm = FAIL Sep 01 14:38:18 pc-world: yes Sep 01 14:38:36 vmware fusion 4 Sep 01 14:38:53 ka6sox-morning: no, that's cool :P except my computer would freeze and probably start smoking Sep 01 14:39:36 * ka6sox-morning resists Wierd Al reference to Dorito as Chip... Sep 01 14:55:55 pc-world: here is screenshot https://www.box.com/s/xfy2danr6rbg584zzp8a Sep 01 14:56:43 bluen: ahh Sep 01 14:56:55 have you tried making the VM window bigger? Sep 01 14:58:51 if you use VirtualBox, just install the Guest Additions in Ubuntu Sep 01 14:59:06 (it's an option in the VM window menu) Sep 01 14:59:21 then you can resize the VM window as you'd like Sep 01 15:00:21 [lol... that box.com image viewer is Flash (why that?!) and takes 30MB of RAM] Sep 01 15:04:07 pc-world: it is vmware fusion, I made the entire vmware full screen and then I could get to the lock screen on webOS and pull it up; separately box.com asked me to install syncing software and now I can sync , i thought previously you had to pay for this service? https://www.box.com/s/n977q0929xpdag962ztt Sep 01 15:05:18 is that the VM in fullscreen? Sep 01 15:05:35 then you really might want to lower webOS' resolution Sep 01 15:07:57 pc-world: no, once i got the lock screen open i took it out of full screen but you can say I cant see the bottom of the window again . here is the memo https://www.box.com/s/tgbkkzhrqdzdn4n6mf1i Sep 01 15:08:13 you can see Sep 01 15:08:34 okay... so your problem with accounts is solved then? Sep 01 15:20:06 pc-world: yes problem with accounts seems solved but I cant figure out in vmware fusion how to resize the lunasys window. I ended up terminating ubuntu to get out Sep 01 15:20:37 you can't resize the LSM window (except if you change config files) Sep 01 15:21:01 pc-world: how do i change config files Sep 01 15:21:14 bluen: not sure which one it was... Sep 01 15:21:27 anyone else doing an openembedded compile? Sep 01 15:21:50 bluen: panda-z said it was in /etc/palm/luna-platform.conf Sep 01 15:21:50 stroughtonsmith: was your ubuntu tablet experiment successful? Sep 01 15:22:20 webkit ran into compiler bugs, so I halted that Sep 01 15:22:33 pc-world: ok, what should i change it to Sep 01 15:22:33 bluen: so I guess you have to edit it in the "rootfs" folder inside the luna-desktop-binaries folder Sep 01 15:22:34 doing an OE compile now, gonna flash it to an sd card and see how far it gets natively Sep 01 15:23:04 bluen: well, DisplayWidth and DisplayHeight Sep 01 15:23:17 (haven't tested it though) Sep 01 15:24:13 pc-world: so changing display option in ubuntu won't help? is there something i can change in the ubuntu settings? Sep 01 15:24:35 bluen: do you want to resize your VM window or LSM?! Sep 01 15:30:53 Vm window can be resized at will. inside the vmware window i open up programs and they all have scrollbars even if they are full screen-ie libre office; or they open up partial screen firefox and with scrollbars. But luna opens up full screen and without scrollbars Sep 01 15:34:06 i cannot get to the bottom of the luna screen Sep 01 15:34:50 bluen: LunaSysMgr can't be resized. The only way to change window size is changing conf file. Sep 01 15:36:36 bluen: I can't see the gesture area in your screenshot. This means you should set a smaller window size. Sep 01 15:38:22 just over 1/10th of the way thru the OE build Sep 01 15:38:24 opening up the luna-platform.conf file in filemanager, seems to open in a text editor. scrolling down it says modalwindow width is 320; modal window height is 480 Sep 01 15:38:55 running task 2170 of 3494 here; second run through OE - first time my VM disk was too small (20GB) Sep 01 15:39:04 bluen: DisplayWidth/Height, not modalwindow Sep 01 15:39:31 pc-world: display width is 1024 display height is 768 Sep 01 15:39:41 bluen: yes... and apparently you want to change that, right? Sep 01 15:39:47 hmm. i have about 25gig free on mine. hope that's enough Sep 01 15:40:05 i'm on 458 of 3506 Sep 01 15:40:16 bluen: I set them to 800 and 600 seperately. Sep 01 15:40:55 EricBlade: well when I ran out of space I had to reformat, as even tho vmware could resize the drive the linux partition had others in between it and the free space, couldn't resize :/ Sep 01 15:42:27 so... seems they release Just Type https://github.com/openwebos/luna-universalsearchmgr Sep 01 15:43:05 EricBlade: I only have 10GB free space left, is that enough for the Open Embedded build? Sep 01 15:43:14 panda-z: no idea Sep 01 15:43:34 though things like ApplicationInstallerUtility and jailer are still missing :-/ Sep 01 15:43:39 let me check how much space I have left on my 40gb Sep 01 15:43:45 Maybe I should have a try... Sep 01 15:45:13 70% of my 40gb drive is in use Sep 01 15:45:25 and i'm just over 2/3rds of the way through Sep 01 15:45:30 pc-world: By ApplicationInstallerUtility you mean the com.palm.appinstaller service? Sep 01 15:47:23 panda-z: not sure... I think /usr/bin/ApplicationInstallerUtility is what they currently use Sep 01 15:48:37 k Sep 01 15:50:59 maybe they've replaced it with https://github.com/openwebos/serviceinstaller in Open webOS Sep 01 15:55:50 or, more likely, installing apps doesn't really work on OW Sep 01 15:56:18 * PatrickC goes to install webOS Desktop on his old machine Sep 01 15:56:23 Ubuntu hates my macbook haha Sep 01 15:57:14 AFAIK, LunaSysmgr supports some methods, which are described in the README.md of the repo. Sep 01 15:57:24 i'm not familiar with this ApplicationInstallerUtility, I do know that LunaSysMgr provides several app install things Sep 01 15:57:47 EricBlade: yes, and it seems it calls that binary Sep 01 15:58:15 panda-z: readme of which repo? Sep 01 15:58:41 (I know I could put the apps into rootfs/usr/palm/applications) Sep 01 15:58:48 655/3506 Sep 01 15:58:49 pc-world: openwebos/luna-sysmgr Sep 01 15:59:00 and i imagine i'd need to go through this all over again for building the arm emu Sep 01 15:59:31 * LarrySteeze stumbles into the room Sep 01 15:59:41 * LarrySteeze was able to come across some wifi in this barren land! Sep 01 15:59:53 LarrySteeze, nice! Sep 01 15:59:55 where you at? Sep 01 15:59:59 cope cod Sep 01 16:00:01 *cape cod Sep 01 16:00:07 ah Sep 01 16:00:19 I brought 20 lbs worth of high gain goodness to find it Sep 01 16:00:32 lol Sep 01 16:00:34 then it was just about getting the aim correct Sep 01 16:03:14 pc-world: In the Src/base/application/ApplicationInstaller.cpp I find it try to execute /usr/bin/ApplicationInstallerUtility Sep 01 16:03:23 yes I know Sep 01 16:03:31 but that binary doesn't exist at all in OW Sep 01 16:03:46 is it sad that I wish I was home so I could participate in the desktop build? Sep 01 16:03:49 well, there's lots of stuff missing in OW Sep 01 16:04:20 maybe they haven't release some stuff yet... Sep 01 16:04:34 yes, that's what I mean Sep 01 16:12:58 848/3506 Sep 01 16:15:10 EricBlade: what's this? some progress? Sep 01 16:15:17 disk space is vanishing worryingly. Maybe 40gb is too small Sep 01 16:15:36 my progress on building the x86 emu Sep 01 16:16:29 hmm. i'm at 21gig free still Sep 01 16:16:30 they said it will takes about from 8 - 20 hours for single threaded builds. Sep 01 16:16:41 this is why i wanted to build it on my shared folder, though Sep 01 16:17:09 well that and wanting to be able to access it via windows tools Sep 01 16:18:10 * PatrickC hopes his build doesn't take near that lo ng Sep 01 16:18:11 long* Sep 01 16:18:14 just started it Sep 01 16:18:54 EricBlade: doing an openembedded install which seems to be taking a lot of disk space Sep 01 16:19:19 stroughtonsmith: probably not much difference, but are you building arm or x86 ? Sep 01 16:19:24 arm Sep 01 16:19:42 PatrickC: are you doing an OpenEmbedded build or build-desktop? Sep 01 16:19:43 neat, i'm building x86 Sep 01 16:19:49 pandaz: changing to 800 and 600 for display in lunasys now works although i still have to go full screen to get the bottom part of the window. Sep 01 16:19:54 pc-world, desktop Sep 01 16:20:03 PatrickC: they're talking about OpenEmbedded Sep 01 16:20:09 panda-z oops Sep 01 16:20:14 pc-world, ah Sep 01 16:20:26 x86 should be fun, you could already run the emulator image on PCs Sep 01 16:21:35 bluen: does just type now work in desktop? If so what is the process for updating the pc? Sep 01 16:21:53 bluen: hmm Sep 01 16:22:25 bluen: I don't see that they would have updated the build-desktop scripts for that... Sep 01 16:24:40 ugh, 2413/3494 and I'm at 75% disk space Sep 01 16:31:04 pc-world: are you saying that we would have to go thru the 3-6 hour build process again as they update files? Or is there a shortcut to just grab those files? Sep 01 16:31:28 bluen: currently, there doesn't seem to be any integrated way to update files :-/ Sep 01 16:32:04 though removing a tarball/object files and then recompiling should work Sep 01 16:32:44 that said, build-desktop is more of a one-time build environment right now Sep 01 16:34:46 pc-world: maybe a stupid question but could you install an android emulator into the desktop build and run android apps? Sep 01 16:35:23 bluen: install an Android emulator... into Open webOS? Sep 01 16:35:42 if you had something like Alien Dalvik licensed, sure Sep 01 16:35:49 pc-world: yes on the desktop since it is actually running in ubuntu Sep 01 16:36:44 bluen: err... you'd have to integrate that into Open webOS... not sure if I understood you right Sep 01 16:37:16 pc-world: ok i understand you. you understood right Sep 01 16:37:41 bluen: though the desktop build wouldn't help much, since native Android apps are arm Sep 01 16:38:10 you could as well "just" integrate it into webOS 3.0.5 on the TP... but, good luck with that :D Sep 01 16:38:33 [simpler solution: boot into CM9] Sep 01 16:40:10 stroughtonsmith: 25gig free at start was apparently nto enough Sep 01 16:40:37 EricBlade: you running into limits? Sep 01 16:40:45 I'm worried that 40gb might not be enough Sep 01 16:40:49 oh.. wait.. that was host system disk full Sep 01 16:40:51 I'm at 82% full Sep 01 16:40:58 2634/3494 Sep 01 16:41:34 well, i have finally completely filled my first terabyte hard drive Sep 01 16:41:38 EricBlade: lol... not good Sep 01 16:41:42 :D Sep 01 16:42:08 * pc-world has 5.4GiB free on his main Ubuntu partition Sep 01 16:42:10 i was in danger of that when i was developing the last game that i was contracted to work on, but i bought a 2TB drive so i never did quite fill it Sep 01 16:47:39 has anyone built openwebos-desktop on x64 yet? Sep 01 16:48:13 no it doesn't work Sep 01 16:48:28 * PatrickC clicks ctrl+c Sep 01 16:49:29 read the instructions all the way through before beginning. :) Sep 01 16:49:35 i did :) Sep 01 16:49:43 but i was hoping that it would at least try and run Sep 01 16:49:49 otherwise i wouldn't have asked the question :P Sep 01 16:50:03 morning folks! Sep 01 16:50:11 k4ever: hey Sep 01 16:50:13 hey k4ever Sep 01 16:50:52 has anyone got the open embedded version of OWOS compiled and running yet? Sep 01 16:51:12 ok, 7 gigs of space free and resuming Sep 01 16:51:19 2759/1394 here Sep 01 16:51:21 3494* Sep 01 16:51:54 PatrickC: I was successfully built openwebos-desktop on x86_64 Sep 01 16:52:06 I'm also having an issue with LunaCE 4.5.2 and preware. Sep 01 16:52:12 panda-z: the open-embedded version of OW? Sep 01 16:52:14 panda-z, amd64 ubuntu? Sep 01 16:52:30 pc-world: no, the desktop version Sep 01 16:52:41 panda-z: what??? you got to post a how-to! Sep 01 16:52:53 panda-z: oops I thought you were refering to k4ever Sep 01 16:52:53 PatrickC: ArchLinux x86_64 Sep 01 16:53:02 ah Sep 01 16:53:06 i'm on amd6 ubuntu Sep 01 16:53:33 pc-world: I think I don't have enough disk space to build the OE version Sep 01 16:53:35 what additional libraries did you install? Sep 01 16:54:19 and how much space does the oe version require? Sep 01 16:54:57 PatrickC: k, this is similar. What is your problem? Sep 01 16:55:09 nothing yet Sep 01 16:55:15 just stopped the build as it isn't supported :P Sep 01 16:55:26 my laptop is running mint/ubuntu 64 and I would love to install OWOS on it Sep 01 16:55:32 same Sep 01 16:55:32 k4ever: dunno, maybe greater than 10gig Sep 01 16:56:01 ok, I got Sep 01 16:56:06 ..the space Sep 01 16:56:45 what did you do to get owos to compile on 64 bit? Sep 01 16:57:34 ok i'm approaching the halfway marka nd still have 17gig open Sep 01 16:57:46 k4ever: I modified the build script. Sep 01 16:58:09 panda-z: patch? Sep 01 16:58:24 *diff Sep 01 16:58:24 pastebin modified script please. Sep 01 16:58:51 where is the browser at, anyone try to build it? https://github.com/isis-project/ Sep 01 16:59:14 bluen: EricBlade reported that the webview component might not work at all currently in OW Sep 01 17:00:02 maybe I should push repos to github? Sep 01 17:00:57 panda-z: if you think it's stable, yes Sep 01 17:01:16 pc-world: thanks. any possibility that ISIS could work on 3.05? Sep 01 17:01:29 bluen: well, the GUI (Enyo) part works Sep 01 17:01:43 but it's probably just worse than the stock browser Sep 01 17:01:54 and no, the rendering engine (Qtwebkit) won't work on 3.0.5 Sep 01 17:02:15 pc-world: it at least works for me Sep 01 17:02:55 panda-z: what changes did you make? Sep 01 17:03:04 the apps are running in isis, but the webview itself isn't working, is my understanding Sep 01 17:03:19 EricBlade: yes, probably Sep 01 17:03:56 "Isis" is a stupid name and just leads to confusion... they should name the browser "browser" and the rendering engine "webkit"... -.- Sep 01 17:04:10 pc-world: I changed the build function of WebKit and qt4 Sep 01 17:04:23 ...in the build script Sep 01 17:04:30 well, just fork the repo(s) and push your changes Sep 01 17:05:17 or post modified build script... Sep 01 17:05:27 (or better, just the diff) Sep 01 17:07:04 pc-world: hmm, the WebKit and qt4 are built using the build script from openwebos/luna-sysmgr, while other components are built using the script from openwebos/build-desktop Sep 01 17:07:19 I'll try to merge two scripts. Sep 01 17:16:44 test Sep 01 17:17:02 got quite in here Sep 01 17:17:39 I've got my 4gb ram, 500gb hd, 64bit quad-core monster powered up and ready for some OWOS compiling Sep 01 17:18:31 * panda-z is almost done. Sep 01 17:20:48 Here is the diffs, http://pastebin.com/kbDsKDA3 , have not tested the whole build script because build webkit ant qt need a lot of time. Hope someone using linux x64 can test it. Sep 01 17:22:47 k4ever, pc-world: ^^ Sep 01 17:22:55 panda-z: i'm a newbie on this. how do i apply the diff to the original file? Sep 01 17:23:54 "Pastebin.com is under heavy load right now" -.- Sep 01 17:25:15 I only get to see that stupid cat on pastebin :P http://pastebin.com/i/503.jpg Sep 01 17:26:47 save the diff to a file, eg. ~/build.patch. Then cd to your directory and use `patch -p0 < ~/build.patch` to apply the patch. Sep 01 17:27:34 k4ever: you can have a try. Sep 01 17:28:32 thanks! it will take a bit. i have to set up the build environment on this machine. Sep 01 17:30:33 93% full @ 2968/3494… Sep 01 17:31:18 lol... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCODE Sep 01 17:37:55 pastebin still doesn't load Sep 01 17:38:07 lol Sep 01 17:40:38 panda-z: i take it that the file to patch is build-webos-desktop.sh? Sep 01 17:41:32 k4ever: you got it. Sep 01 17:41:56 stroughtonsmith: 66% full at 1906 Sep 01 17:42:06 patching file build-webos-desktop.sh Sep 01 17:42:06 Hunk #10 succeeded at 1048 with fuzz 1. Sep 01 17:43:02 yay pastebin finally works again ^^ Sep 01 17:46:46 Just a few days ago I opened a issue on isis-project/WebKit, but now I can't find issues on that. Sep 01 17:47:16 weird Sep 01 17:47:21 panda-z: aren't we supposed to use their internal bug tracking system? Sep 01 17:47:35 panda-z: http://jira.openwebosproject.org/ Sep 01 17:48:04 (haven't tested if that one works at all) Sep 01 17:49:13 pc-world: hmm, thanks. I'll look into it. Sep 01 17:49:54 panda-z: or was it a pull request that you opened? Sep 01 17:50:27 the issue trackers in git all got turned off in favor of jira Sep 01 17:50:49 ok, got everything installed, patch applied, and it is building right now Sep 01 17:52:54 panda-z: thanks for the modifications for 64bit! you made my day. my laptop is a lot faster than my 10 year old desktop and i did not want to downgrade it to 32bit mint just for this. Sep 01 17:53:30 k4ever: hope this works for you :D Sep 01 17:53:46 so far so good. thanks again! Sep 01 18:11:33 I think my openembedded-arm compile just finished Sep 01 18:12:28 all 40gb of space were used up. lol Sep 01 18:12:37 OMG Sep 01 18:12:41 stroughtonsmith: excited. tell me how it goes Sep 01 18:13:10 40gb? what embedded device do they expect to install this on? Sep 01 18:14:00 k4ever: Most of them are object files, not executable Sep 01 18:14:33 ok, makes more sense Sep 01 18:16:47 k4ever: the actual output image is about 300mb Sep 01 18:17:34 that's sounds a lot better. so i'm exicited to hear what it is like... Sep 01 18:17:48 is it running well so far? Sep 01 18:19:20 * panda-z feels sleepy Sep 01 18:19:29 time for bed, nn Sep 01 18:20:05 uh, since I can never remember; what flags should I give tar to make it un-bz2 an image while preserving all the system stuff? Sep 01 18:21:59 just -xf and -C ? Sep 01 18:23:48 let's see what the transformer prime thinks of this Sep 01 18:23:55 tho I noticed the image is armv5 and softfp Sep 01 18:24:03 which might complicate things Sep 01 18:25:42 hmm I'm booted to a shell. That's a start Sep 01 18:29:45 hmm no lunasysmgr Sep 01 18:31:40 stroughtonsmith: no LSM in the file system (image)? Sep 01 18:31:51 no, I'm confused Sep 01 18:32:01 I have a base system, which has booted on the tablet Sep 01 18:32:07 to a shell, which is quite functional Sep 01 18:32:24 to... the tablet? a real tablet? Sep 01 18:32:27 yes Sep 01 18:32:49 how did that work? and which tablet, TP? Sep 01 18:33:10 transformer prime, yes Sep 01 18:33:18 I flashed it to an SD card; already had a kernel Sep 01 18:33:23 generic kernel, but 3.x Sep 01 18:33:32 ah okay... Sep 01 18:33:34 or 2.6.36 Sep 01 18:33:37 hmm Sep 01 18:33:40 what happens when you run /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr Sep 01 18:33:42 ? Sep 01 18:34:19 it's not in the filesystem Sep 01 18:34:30 hmm okay... Sep 01 18:34:53 anything else Luna-related in /usr/bin? Sep 01 18:34:56 yep Sep 01 18:35:03 luna-helper and luna-send Sep 01 18:35:18 hmm Sep 01 18:35:18 OE says it completed successfully tho Sep 01 18:35:20 I'm confused Sep 01 18:35:34 maybe this isn't supposed to include Luna? :o Sep 01 18:35:38 stoughtonsmith: where did you get the kernel? Sep 01 18:35:42 uh Sep 01 18:35:46 stroughtonsmith: missing libEGL/GLESv2? Sep 01 18:36:02 stroughtonsmith: where did you get the kernel? --correction Sep 01 18:36:39 Stskeeps: my kernel doesn't do GL in the first place Sep 01 18:36:44 stroughtonsmith: ah Sep 01 18:37:14 I guess LunaSysService isn't present as well? Sep 01 18:37:20 Stskeeps: but that's a problem for later; not having luna is the weird part Sep 01 18:38:38 yes, webos is worthless without luna Sep 01 18:40:02 k4ever: who needs Luna, lets build our own UI! :P Sep 01 18:40:53 stroughtonsmith: maybe build lsm seperate? Sep 01 18:41:11 the problem is if luna's not there I'm wondering what else is missing Sep 01 18:41:19 not gonna do them one by one Sep 01 18:41:31 qemu-arm boots to the same shell Sep 01 18:41:32 no luna Sep 01 18:41:34 hrm Sep 01 18:42:05 well at least I know it runs on the transformer prime Sep 01 18:42:08 and works with my kernel Sep 01 18:42:09 so far Sep 01 18:42:09 try the lunace build. it is based on arm Sep 01 18:42:25 there's none of the included apps or anything tho Sep 01 18:42:32 so I'm not gonna do this piecemeal Sep 01 18:42:41 need to figure out why they're not in the build Sep 01 18:44:01 stroughtonsmith: still would like to know how you built the kernel or where you got it from? also how did you get your OWOS build to the transformer. you said you placed it on an sd card? Sep 01 18:44:43 k4ever: uh it's lilstevie's ubuntu kernel for the tf201 Sep 01 18:44:56 it boots an ext filesystem from the sd card Sep 01 18:45:25 after the boot what did you do to get openwebos to run? Sep 01 18:45:55 nothing Sep 01 18:45:57 it just works Sep 01 18:46:05 thats actually outstanding that you are running it using an ubuntu kernel. Sep 01 18:46:31 wasn't the point of OWO to get it working on stock linux? Sep 01 18:46:36 that means that we should be able to get it to work on the touchpad using the cm9 kernel Sep 01 18:47:34 oh, sure, wouldn't surprise me Sep 01 18:47:40 stroughtonsmith: i guess Sep 01 18:48:24 the cm9 kernel has support for sound, video accelleration, bluetooth, etc Sep 01 18:49:45 so OWOS for open embedded is just like the desktop version. once you have a working terminal, you can run it from there. that is outstanding! Sep 01 18:50:18 I've run out of space on my 40gb drive. Need to add a second to finish the build Sep 01 18:50:19 ack Sep 01 18:51:22 so once you get everything built from the script, you still need to build lsm for it? Sep 01 18:51:37 ..just brainstorming right now Sep 01 18:51:39 No idea Sep 01 18:51:48 I think I ran out of space perhaps for the final image build Sep 01 18:54:02 stillllll buildinngggggggg Sep 01 18:54:12 2366/3506 Sep 01 18:55:27 i don't believe this! Sep 01 18:55:59 i was compiling owos for my 64 bit desktop when the process ended with an error.. Sep 01 18:56:05 lol: http://twitpic.com/aq2ksv/full Sep 01 18:56:42 ..when i tried to check the error my desktop crashed! Sep 01 18:57:37 I think my compile took about 5 hours; I paused 2/3rds of the way in and upped the virtualised cores from 4 to 8 Sep 01 18:57:50 ok, re-ran build script. here is my error: Sep 01 18:58:01 make: *** [debug-x86/.obj/Main.o] Error 1 Sep 01 18:58:01 make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... Sep 01 18:58:20 k4ever: that's not the whole error message... Sep 01 18:58:29 the real error message must be somewhere before Sep 01 18:58:55 -Idebug-x86/.moc -o debug-x86/.obj/Localization.o Src/base/Localization.cpp Sep 01 18:58:55 is the only thing before it Sep 01 18:59:49 i will pastebin the terminal output Sep 01 19:00:15 k4ever: that's just a part of a very long command Sep 01 19:01:44 good morning pc-world Sep 01 19:01:59 invalidopcode: hi Sep 01 19:02:42 http://pastebin.com/0rF8Zuyg Sep 01 19:03:05 Src/Main.cpp:367:48: error: ‘logCrashRegisterContext’ was not declared in this scope Sep 01 19:03:23 local disk full again Sep 01 19:03:26 pc-world: where would i find the error message? is there a log? Sep 01 19:03:33 EricBlade: my 40GB was full. I'm extending it to 80 now Sep 01 19:03:40 k4ever: I just gave it to you Sep 01 19:03:45 k4ever: stroughtonsmith told youo Sep 01 19:03:46 *you Sep 01 19:04:33 k4ever: did you change the BASE variable in the makefile? Sep 01 19:05:08 i just applied the patch Sep 01 19:05:25 ..from panda-z Sep 01 19:05:42 ..building on 64 bit desktop Sep 01 19:08:44 k4ever: found it Sep 01 19:08:57 ok, what was it? Sep 01 19:09:18 open luna-desktop-binaries/luna-sysmgr/Src/Main.cpp Sep 01 19:10:40 where is that located on desktop? Sep 01 19:10:54 in $HOME Sep 01 19:11:02 /home/username/... Sep 01 19:11:23 oh, now i see it' Sep 01 19:11:52 comment out line 138 Sep 01 19:11:54 got it open Sep 01 19:12:03 add "/*" in front of line 170 Sep 01 19:12:18 add "*/" at the end of line 213 Sep 01 19:12:39 you won't be able to build for arm anymore, but I don't think you intended to do this, right? Sep 01 19:12:53 just to verify line 138 says: #ifdef __i386__ Sep 01 19:12:57 yes Sep 01 19:13:15 ...and you're not on i386 but on x64 (i686 or whatever) Sep 01 19:13:25 no, building on desktop Sep 01 19:13:35 yes on x64 Sep 01 19:14:41 (it's not i686, but well) Sep 01 19:15:26 so i just commented out lines 170-213? Sep 01 19:15:30 yes Sep 01 19:15:32 that's for arm Sep 01 19:15:56 could you just #define __i386__ instead? Sep 01 19:16:12 stroughtonsmith: right, you could do that as well Sep 01 19:16:15 might be even better Sep 01 19:16:43 if you do it globally, it will solve all these kind of issues Sep 01 19:16:55 so change line 138 to #define_i386_ Sep 01 19:17:05 add it before 138 Sep 01 19:17:16 and leave the rest as is, I'd assume Sep 01 19:17:20 not looking at the file so don't know Sep 01 19:17:26 or maybe define it in Common.h Sep 01 19:17:31 that seems to be included in most files Sep 01 19:17:33 or that Sep 01 19:17:42 k4ever: revert the changes I told you... Sep 01 19:18:19 k4ever: then put "#define __i386__" into Common.h, line 24 Sep 01 19:18:39 ok Sep 01 19:19:47 morning all Sep 01 19:20:04 morning Sep 01 19:20:33 wow. I updated to lm 13. now my desktop is a little unstable. Sep 01 19:20:59 lol Sep 01 19:21:02 locked up after I rolled back the changes to last file. Sep 01 19:21:40 didn't get the info for the file I need to change Sep 01 19:21:47 never upgrade a running Ubuntu(-based) OS :P Sep 01 19:22:29 k4ever: see PM Sep 01 19:22:31 yes, I can second that. took forever and was a pita Sep 01 19:23:38 * invalidopcode sucessfully built the webos x86 qemu image Sep 01 19:24:01 invalidopcode: how big is the bz2 it makes? Sep 01 19:24:32 what bz2? Sep 01 19:24:39 it makes one in the build folder Sep 01 19:24:43 it's your rootfs Sep 01 19:24:48 also has ext3 images Sep 01 19:25:48 I'm waiting for partitions to resize here, but my bz2 rootfs was missing things I think; only 60mb or so Sep 01 19:26:31 bz2 is 52130752 Sep 01 19:26:41 and ext3 is 268380160 Sep 01 19:26:57 52mb? ugh Sep 01 19:27:03 sounds the same size as mine Sep 01 19:27:07 yet I'm missing luna and co Sep 01 19:27:11 wtf Sep 01 19:27:19 the qemu image boots to luna? Sep 01 19:27:38 no, its just sitting saying "stopping bootlog daemon" Sep 01 19:28:02 oh really? Sep 01 19:28:05 so if you hit enter Sep 01 19:28:07 you can login Sep 01 19:28:13 I presume yours is doing the same as mine then Sep 01 19:28:18 ah okay Sep 01 19:28:21 so my compile /was/ ok. crap Sep 01 19:28:24 now what. haha Sep 01 19:28:37 Maybe install lunace on it? Sep 01 19:29:17 surely there's more to it than that Sep 01 19:29:25 invalidopcode: if you "ls -la /usr/bin | grep -i luna", which components do you find? Sep 01 19:29:36 only luna-helper and luna-send? Sep 01 19:29:54 stroughtonsmith: what's the login? Sep 01 19:29:57 root Sep 01 19:29:59 no pw Sep 01 19:30:34 pc-world: yup Sep 01 19:30:41 so our compiles are identical Sep 01 19:30:50 well that's promising Sep 01 19:31:00 we'd really need a Palm employee in this channel ^^ Sep 01 19:31:02 I wonder if you have to explicitly add it to the build Sep 01 19:31:17 is ka6sox-away around to help out? Sep 01 19:31:22 I've pinged lemketron see if he has any info Sep 01 19:31:29 okay cool Sep 01 19:32:20 "To build the bitbake component, type" - is there a list of these "bitbake components"? Sep 01 19:32:48 well got to go take the daughter to a friend's house. teenagers are pushy.. Sep 01 19:32:51 you know.. i was thinking last night, if ArchLinux can run natively on the touchpad without any special drivers, then it shouldn't be that hard to make openwebos run on it either.... just a thought Sep 01 19:33:14 invalidopcode: up and running on a transformer prime here, so a touchpad should be similarly easy Sep 01 19:33:16 wow, nice, just saw that build-webos is under MIT Sep 01 19:33:24 cool Sep 01 19:33:59 stroughtonsmith: did you just build the qemu-arm image and then install it? Sep 01 19:34:06 invalidopcode: yep; flashed to SD Sep 01 19:34:12 ah cool Sep 01 19:34:18 invalidopcode: was thinking the same thing, only using the cm9 kernel instead of arch/ubuntu one. Sep 01 19:34:26 yeah Sep 01 19:34:45 I wonder if you could boot it on a nook color the same way Sep 01 19:34:59 if it runs in qemu, it will run on anything Sep 01 19:35:12 does the arm image have luna? Sep 01 19:35:16 qemu doesn't emulate a kernel, right? Sep 01 19:35:17 invalidopcode: nope Sep 01 19:35:28 pc-world: it emulates the hardware Sep 01 19:35:31 there's a qemu kernel included in the build Sep 01 19:36:20 stroughtonsmith: you are far ahead of us all right now. mind building lsm on qemu and seeing if it will run on your machine? Sep 01 19:36:44 don't assume I know what I'm doing :D Sep 01 19:37:03 you are doing well so far :-) Sep 01 19:37:12 fyi guys, LunaCE != Open webOS, it will not work in an OWO environment Sep 01 19:37:20 its the blind leading the blind.... Sep 01 19:37:53 * ShiftyAxel gets the feeling that a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth would be saved if someone just made a decent demo video Sep 01 19:38:02 ShiftyAxel meant: it won't work if you don't make it to work. Sep 01 19:38:43 did we rename WoceBot to pc-world while I was away? :p Sep 01 19:39:08 lol kinda :P Sep 01 19:39:24 ok, official answer: Sep 01 19:39:35 "No, that's where we are with the OE build. The "build-desktop" repo builds UI, apps, and services. That will be added to OE soon." Sep 01 19:39:37 doh. Sep 01 19:39:57 darn! Sep 01 19:40:06 1' Sep 01 19:40:11 they could have written that into the readme... Sep 01 19:40:26 that would have been nice to know about 3 hours ago Sep 01 19:40:44 lol. Sep 01 19:40:45 sorry the cat wanted to say something Sep 01 19:40:48 invalidopcode: shouldn't you be able to use Luna from build-desktop in the open-embedded build? Sep 01 19:40:56 oh well. hey may desktop build is done on my 64 bit machine. wow, took a little over an hour.. Sep 01 19:41:12 problem for me is the desktop build is all x86 Sep 01 19:41:17 pc-world: my guess would be yes.... but you never know Sep 01 19:41:20 which doesn't help arm very much Sep 01 19:41:23 I'll have to wait Sep 01 19:41:24 stroughtonsmith: yes, but invalidopcode compiled for x86 Sep 01 19:43:33 "Note: Builds on 64-bit machines are not currently supported (or working)." anyone have any experience with that? Sep 01 19:44:55 invalidopcode: with some changes it works on x64 Sep 01 19:45:00 panda-z and k4ever have done it Sep 01 19:45:47 and I now have a running OWOS window on my 64 bit desktop Sep 01 19:45:55 :-) Sep 01 19:46:03 one of you guys should probably submit a pull request for that Sep 01 19:46:12 thanks, panda-z? Sep 01 19:46:13 k4ever: congrats... you still may be in the top 10 [who reported success on IRC]? :D Sep 01 19:46:18 okay, is there a document somewhere that describes the changes that need to be made? Sep 01 19:46:26 panda-z! Sep 01 19:46:37 k4ever: panda-z isn't in the cannel anymore... Sep 01 19:46:56 invalidopcode: http://pastebin.com/kbDsKDA3 Sep 01 19:47:04 that's panda-z's diff he used to build on x64 Archlinux Sep 01 19:48:01 and in luna-desktop-binaries/luna-sysmgr/Src/Common.h you'll have to add "#define __i386__" into line 24 Sep 01 19:48:20 you also need to place "#define __i386__" into Common.h, line 24 Sep 01 19:48:37 beat me to it Sep 01 19:48:58 rebooting my prime back into jellybean. Will wait until the OE build actually includes webOS :P Sep 01 19:49:26 I guess I'll throw up my tgz somewhere online Sep 01 19:49:36 okay Sep 01 19:49:51 stroughtonsmith: do that! Sep 01 19:49:51 there are people like me who don't want to wait 10 or 20 hours to build this :D Sep 01 19:49:56 yeah Sep 01 19:50:09 you guys should put that diff on the webos ports wiki or somewhere Sep 01 19:50:13 maybe webos-internals Sep 01 19:50:38 pc-world: wait 10 hours to build a base oe arm image? :P Sep 01 19:50:57 only 5 hours! with 8 cores :D Sep 01 19:50:58 right ^^ Sep 01 19:51:37 I've got to take off right now. I will check back here later. if pc-world doesn't post it, I will put it in the webos-ports wiki. Sep 01 19:52:10 stroughtonsmith: really? mine tool about 3 hours, on 2 schizophrenic cores Sep 01 19:52:14 *took Sep 01 19:52:43 invalidopcode: which cpu? Sep 01 19:52:50 pc-world: i5-3220 Sep 01 19:53:33 pc-world: does this patch build the desktop as x64? like to the resulting binaries come out as 64 bit? Sep 01 19:53:35 stroughtonsmith and invalidopcode: please post your builds. I will try to test them on the touchpad against the cm9 kernel later. Sep 01 19:53:56 k4ever: mine is x86, stroughtonsmith is arm Sep 01 19:54:16 I'll throw the tgz on dropbox or something Sep 01 19:54:17 invalidopcode: not sure... Sep 01 19:54:19 I'm looking for the arm code.. Sep 01 19:54:29 bye all! Sep 01 19:54:34 it boots to a shell, which isn't much fun unless you have a hardware keyboard Sep 01 19:54:35 bb Sep 01 19:54:36 which I have for the prime Sep 01 19:54:38 see ya k4ever Sep 01 19:55:09 pc-world: because a 64bit binary won't be of much use to me Sep 01 19:55:21 I know... Sep 01 19:55:30 k4ever could have checked that, but too late Sep 01 19:55:33 yeah Sep 01 19:55:39 we really need someone to take care of the WebOS Ports wiki... it's already a real mess Sep 01 19:56:09 one should prevents that it gets as messy as WI-wiki is Sep 01 19:56:12 *prevent Sep 01 19:56:23 yeah, I don't know if I'm just dumb, but I could find the instructions to install the beta of LunaCE anywhere Sep 01 19:56:28 *couldn't Sep 01 19:56:43 invalidopcode: to install or to build? Sep 01 19:56:49 to install Sep 01 19:56:52 from preware Sep 01 19:56:58 that's funny... that isn't on the WebOS Ports wiki :D Sep 01 19:57:07 you just find it on P|C: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/317427-lunace-4-x.html Sep 01 19:57:23 that's why the WebOS Ports wiki should be restructured somehow Sep 01 19:59:46 ah haha Sep 01 20:01:05 ipk/postinst script drives me nuts... :-/ Sep 01 20:01:45 why? Sep 01 20:02:51 if I exit postinst with nonzero, Preware (ApplicationInstallerUtility) doesn't return failure Sep 01 20:05:08 the UI is coming to OE with the 1.0 release this month, I think Sep 01 20:05:14 so not too long to wait Sep 01 20:05:25 unless someone goes and integrates all the components manually Sep 01 20:05:32 which I won't attempt :P Sep 01 20:05:41 stroughtonsmith: well, if they want to call it stable, they're well advised to do so :o Sep 01 20:06:06 morning stroughtonsmith Sep 01 20:06:16 howdy Sep 01 20:06:26 stroughtonsmith: I'm going to attempt to run the desktop build on the qemu-x86 image... we'll see how that goes Sep 01 20:06:40 that might be fun Sep 01 20:06:41 what we have right now is rather pre-alpha, just released so they kept up with their roadmap Sep 01 20:06:43 actually Sep 01 20:06:53 when you know what all the dependencies are lemme know Sep 01 20:07:02 maybe I can add them one by one to OE… Sep 01 20:07:24 okay Sep 01 20:09:20 https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-ports-setup Sep 01 20:09:50 jenkins says this builds. Sep 01 20:10:08 hmm? Sep 01 20:10:54 /sidenote jenkins is awesome Sep 01 20:11:01 ka6sox-farfarawa: what is that? Sep 01 20:11:35 our oe build we are starting with for building OE the OE way... Sep 01 20:12:38 ka6sox-farfarawa: see my OE on device pic? haha Sep 01 20:12:38 ah okay Sep 01 20:12:53 yes, is that Sep 01 20:12:57 Tegra3? Sep 01 20:13:00 yeah Sep 01 20:13:13 do we have GLES drivers? Sep 01 20:13:19 my kernel doesn't have gl Sep 01 20:13:24 tho there's a newer one that does Sep 01 20:13:25 ah, okay Sep 01 20:13:27 alright, OE completely failed Sep 01 20:13:30 but I'll worry about that after there's luna Sep 01 20:13:46 lets hope soon. Sep 01 20:14:48 EricBlade: did your drive explode? Sep 01 20:14:50 bbiaf...headed home. Sep 01 20:15:09 pc-world: not sure. df reports 4 gigs still open Sep 01 20:15:57 http://pastebin.com/xtfSkAVt Sep 01 20:16:17 EricBlade: there really isn't anything exciting about the OE build.... its just boots to a shell right now Sep 01 20:16:46 at least it's booting... right? ^^ Sep 01 20:17:30 EricBlade: "./i586-palm-linux-libtool: Permission denied"? is that the crucial error message? Sep 01 20:18:09 i'm not sure. Sep 01 20:18:20 simply restarting it got it running again. Sep 01 20:18:39 but with 900 tasks left to go, my guess is that it'll hit the available space problem here pretty soon Sep 01 20:19:00 so hopefully i can link it to my terabyte free space when that happens Sep 01 20:19:12 but there were problems trying to start it that way Sep 01 20:19:13 EricBlade: you building the qemux86 or qemuarm image? Sep 01 20:19:46 x86 Sep 01 20:20:09 I have a finished built image of it if you want it Sep 01 20:21:35 invalidopcode: would be cool if you could upload it Sep 01 20:21:52 okay, I'll upload it to dropbox Sep 01 20:39:47 pc-world: try this: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pccpi65ys9is3i1/By5sJbrJrw/WebOS Sep 01 20:40:33 invalidopcode: thanks! md5sum? Sep 01 20:41:36 abffe70fda14357a1c2edc3869ffcb16 Sep 01 20:42:25 hey invalidopcode Sep 01 20:44:29 invalidopcode: thanks again, I'll play with it later Sep 01 20:54:03 hi Sep 01 20:54:24 howdy ka6sox Sep 01 20:55:32 hiya...I guess jenkins is saying we are missing something Sep 01 20:55:38 predefs.h Sep 01 20:56:08 ka6sox: missing where? Sep 01 20:57:02 qt4-palm-4.8.2.02-0.33 Sep 01 20:58:13 * invalidopcode is back from hiding :P Sep 01 20:58:38 building qemuarm Sep 01 21:00:51 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8657343/webos-image-qemuarm-20120901175002.rootfs.tar.bz2 - for anybody interested Sep 01 21:01:26 yup...thanks Sep 01 21:02:12 ka6sox: so what are you trying atm? Sep 01 21:06:09 invalidopcode: you have twitter, I see. Haha Sep 01 21:06:34 stroughtonsmith: very observant you are Sep 01 21:06:45 stroughtonsmith, same thing...just automating it with Jenkins Sep 01 21:06:53 ka6sox: ok, gotcha Sep 01 21:06:58 I rarely tweet.... Sep 01 21:08:25 ka6sox: you don't even have a picture... not even a nice webos logo or a tux Sep 01 21:09:10 stroughtonsmith: thanks... do you by any chance have the md5sum? :D Sep 01 21:09:16 (I don't trust Dropbox :P) Sep 01 21:09:21 sure let me gen one Sep 01 21:09:33 from OS X : e37a895ce4c77150f7aa4e70e60780f3 Sep 01 21:09:44 tho OS X's md5 may not be the same as md5sum Sep 01 21:09:54 I'll check in ubuntu in a sec Sep 01 21:09:56 it is the same, thx :) Sep 01 21:11:00 yeah same output Sep 01 21:11:02 just checked Sep 01 21:21:04 does qemux86 also emulate an x86 CPU if my host OS is x86? cause if not, that one would be faster than the arm build Sep 01 21:21:48 no space left, and i don't have the time to fix it. bbl Sep 01 21:21:49 dunno if qemu does virtualisation or emulation only Sep 01 21:22:46 well, qemuarm will have to do virtualization of the CPU (at least on an x86/x64 OS) Sep 01 21:31:40 pc-world: it should virtualize the x86 CPU even if the host is x86 Sep 01 21:58:07 buenos diaz! Sep 01 21:59:08 ..that would be good morning to you folks! Sep 01 22:02:51 uh oh, got to go again. wife wants to watch a movie Sep 01 22:27:39 pc-world, can you find heise.de article on openwebos? Sep 01 22:28:21 ka6sox: e.g. http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Erste-Beta-von-Open-WebOS-1697239.html Sep 01 22:29:11 is there an english version for us less fortunate who don't know german that well? Sep 01 22:29:33 err... are there English articles on heise.de? Sep 01 22:30:08 otherwise, http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fmeldung%2FErste-Beta-von-Open-WebOS-1697239.html&act=url Sep 01 22:31:06 http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/HP-releases-Community-Edition-of-webOS-as-open-source-1626782.html Sep 01 22:32:20 aha...h-online Sep 01 22:33:01 "© 2012 Heise Media UK Ltd" Sep 01 22:33:43 err... they mixed some things up Sep 01 22:33:43 "The team goes by the name WebOS Ports and has set up a GitHub repository which, the developers say, contains everything that's required to create a bootable version of webOS" Sep 01 22:34:23 and that BlueZ and gstreamer... wasn't that just an example Palm used? Sep 01 22:35:09 oops I just saw your article is about WOCE release, not Open webOS beta Sep 01 22:53:25 ah, okay Sep 01 22:55:20 ka6sox: heise.de is german only Sep 01 22:56:09 ka6sox: just writing what was released Sep 01 22:56:38 ka6sox: also mentioning in the same article that woce released LunaCE as beta Sep 01 22:56:44 seems all correct Sep 01 22:57:00 ka6sox: hi, btw :) Sep 01 23:00:09 stefan_schmidt, thanks! Sep 01 23:00:29 stefan_schmidt, we need to get this meta-webos sorted out... see koen's comments Sep 01 23:00:49 ka6sox: yeah, wrapping it all together is not that nice. Sep 01 23:01:10 ka6sox: But not such a big deal either. You know koen, he some time overreacts a bit Sep 01 23:01:23 Imho, Palm handled this all pretty well Sep 01 23:01:49 besides supporting only ubuntu 32 bit for desktop builds. Sep 01 23:01:51 yup, overall its very nice...I'm enjoying working with them Sep 01 23:01:58 Tizen did the same. What is the deal with that Sep 01 23:02:11 all stuff should be 64bit linux without much problems :) Sep 01 23:02:12 qt4 has issues with 64bit Sep 01 23:02:21 really? Sep 01 23:02:26 That surprises me Sep 01 23:02:39 there are some alignment things I've seen Sep 01 23:02:46 strange Sep 01 23:02:56 ka6sox: btw, I got a lucky deal for a pre3. To accompany my TP :) Sep 01 23:03:18 ka6sox: I would expect qt to have this sorted out years ago Sep 01 23:03:31 I mean it runs fine on my 64 bit boxes for ages Sep 01 23:03:42 well, the small parts I use with qt anyway :) Sep 01 23:03:54 ah, right Sep 01 23:03:57 maybe some extensions from Palm put into qt? Sep 01 23:04:07 stefan_schmidt, probably Sep 01 23:04:35 qt4-palm is being a pain...expecting host to privide headers...BAD idea. Sep 01 23:04:35 (pre3) a friend of mine switched to a S3 and the pre3 was available then :) Sep 01 23:04:43 nice! Sep 01 23:04:55 yup, was a happy boy that day :) Sep 01 23:05:25 hmm, so all this qt4-palm thing needs much love I would say :) Sep 01 23:05:56 with github is patchwork really needed much these days? Sep 01 23:06:05 For all the webkit support they used qt-webkit or a different webkit port? Something on their own? Sep 01 23:06:13 qt-webkit Sep 01 23:06:29 ka6sox: depends on the dev community. Its patches to ml vs. pull requests Sep 01 23:06:38 old school or social coding ;) Sep 01 23:06:56 DO NOT WANT "forking" Sep 01 23:06:57 and which one does Palm want us to do? pull requests or patch files? Sep 01 23:07:07 pull requests Sep 01 23:07:10 (webkit) cool. I bet zecke is interested in that. He did a lot of qt-webkit work upstream for Nokia. Sep 01 23:07:39 ka6sox: if they already use github I don't think they need patchwork Sep 01 23:07:46 very good...have not seen zecke in a while Sep 01 23:07:56 I haven't seen any posts besides welcome on the ml's anyway Sep 01 23:08:12 ka6sox: He is major busy with GSM protocols :) Sep 01 23:08:25 that would keep you busy Sep 01 23:08:40 ka6sox: Created a company with Harald Welte for GSM stuff: http://sysmocom.de/ Sep 01 23:08:55 ka6sox: They just released their own GSM BTS hardware Sep 01 23:09:16 I head of this... Sep 01 23:09:27 ka6sox: And of course writing a GSM FOSS stack keeps many people busy :) Sep 01 23:09:37 s/head/heard/ Sep 01 23:09:37 ka6sox meant: I heard of this... Sep 01 23:09:46 true Sep 01 23:10:03 this would be good for use on webOS phones no? Sep 01 23:10:03 ka6sox: Its a bit sad I don't see him that often anymore since I moved to UK. Sep 01 23:10:25 did not know that...are you liking it? Sep 01 23:10:32 ka6sox: depends if we would get hardware specs of the modem Sep 01 23:10:49 I have seen a GSM FOSS stack running on a baseband. Doing calls and SMS, etc Sep 01 23:11:06 But that was a really old and basic GSM only modem. Sep 01 23:11:19 Nothing fancy like they build in smartphones. Sep 01 23:11:32 AT based? Sep 01 23:11:40 And normally they vendor just laughs at you when asking for docs or specs on the modem side Sep 01 23:11:59 ka6sox: no, directly on the baseband hw. On the raw metal :) Sep 01 23:12:10 fast then Sep 01 23:12:19 http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ Sep 01 23:12:39 well, full control is more interesting for this Sep 01 23:12:58 I don't see something like this for newer phones Sep 01 23:13:26 At least not until a major baseband vendor is interested. Very unlikely tho :) Sep 01 23:14:16 never know..one may show up Sep 01 23:14:26 sure Sep 01 23:14:39 nothing is impossible. Sep 01 23:14:46 I just don't see it Sep 01 23:14:52 except with Qualcomm maybe... Sep 01 23:14:57 Would be happy to be wrong here Sep 01 23:15:02 me too Sep 01 23:15:16 heh, yeah, they are really eager to keep the BP stuff under the hood. Sep 01 23:15:47 But I have seen people executing own code on the BPs of qualcomm :) Sep 01 23:16:26 Having phones and other mobile devices in state where I could choose different images to flash would be a dream already Sep 01 23:16:45 not there yet Sep 01 23:16:59 yeah Sep 01 23:17:05 I hope for this since years Sep 01 23:17:16 since working for OpenMoko and even before. Sep 01 23:17:17 but we can work towards this with openWebSO Sep 01 23:17:35 s/openWebSO/openWebOS/ Sep 01 23:17:36 ka6sox meant: but we can work towards this with openWebOS Sep 01 23:17:40 During the times of reverse engineering and porting linux 2.6 to different phones. Good old days :) Sep 01 23:17:52 ka6sox: I hope so Sep 01 23:18:59 ah, does anybody know if synergy was under the released components? Sep 01 23:19:01 I am hoping that we can whip the OE bits in shape and make Luna a good OE choice for UI. Sep 01 23:19:16 Or another way. Are there examples for synergy services? Sep 01 23:19:18 I should look...haven't Sep 01 23:19:25 seen that yet Sep 01 23:19:31 ok Sep 01 23:19:52 * stefan_schmidt is really looking to a carddav/caldav plugin for synergy Sep 01 23:20:12 Don't like to run a fake EAS just for webOS. Feels wrong Sep 01 23:20:50 ka6sox: I hoped to push for OE for Tizen inside Samsung. Sadly I don't see this happen Sep 01 23:21:15 The tools guys from Intel and Samsung have completely different ideas Sep 01 23:21:18 *sigh* Sep 01 23:21:31 And I'm not even in the tools section :) Sep 01 23:21:33 Sounds like every tizen/meego/moblin/maemo story ever Sep 01 23:22:04 rrix: heh, well I only know the Tizen Samsung side Sep 01 23:22:32 rrix: And even that is different as I work directly on EFL for Samsung. So direct upstream work on not really on the distro. Sep 01 23:22:58 rrix: but all embedded projects have their problem. Having seen to many of them. Sep 01 23:23:09 yup Sep 01 23:23:31 * rrix was specifically noting the "two different camps working on the same project" syndrome :) Sep 01 23:23:44 It's endemic with that project for the last four years ;( Sep 01 23:24:00 rrix: its more a two _really_ big companies working together. Sep 01 23:24:07 Right, I know. Sep 01 23:24:09 rrix: so many layers in between :) Sep 01 23:24:43 rrix: with that you mean maemo and then meego and now Tizen? Sep 01 23:24:55 stefan_schmidt, that is why Yocto seems to be successufl. Sep 01 23:25:07 seems the FOSS tools guys got together. Sep 01 23:25:11 rrix: Tizen has little meego components yet. Intel is working on changing that. Which is good. Sep 01 23:26:26 ka6sox: Well, with my OE hat on I have difficulties with Yocto from time to time. But it is the right direction and great to see companies coming together for it Sep 01 23:27:37 ka6sox: And I also here that the layer stuff is also painful from time to time. Really nice in theory but can explode in your face with all its permutations when having to many layers Sep 01 23:28:31 But that is only what I hear. Having really dealt with it for soem time. And it worked fine as I was doing the release engineering stuff for BugLabs Sep 01 23:28:50 aha... Sep 01 23:29:17 heh, seems I'm a bit chatty today :) Sep 02 00:01:01 what's new in the newest update ? anyone know where I can read about the changes ? Sep 02 00:04:40 please restate your question with more detail on which update and what changes. Sep 02 00:08:47 my apologies , LunaCE 4.5.2 update to LunaCE lol I just don't see any difference and was wandering what has changed Sep 02 00:09:59 shadavis08: open the "LunaCE" app from the app launcher - there's a changelog in it Sep 02 00:10:23 though I too think changelog should be really included in Preware's package description... Sep 02 00:12:24 ka6sox: thank you fir that info. yes it would be nice to see the info added into preware , definitely . Sep 02 00:12:37 shadavis08: btw, I'm pc-world :P Sep 02 00:13:42 shadavis08, see pc-world ^^ Sep 02 00:14:59 pc-world: how could I have ever known that jeez!! umm I don't have a LunaCE app icon in my launcher lol but I have it installed on my TPad :-) Sep 02 00:15:55 ka6sox: any thoughts on adding changelog into the package description? Sep 02 00:16:28 ka6sox: pc-world: so where do I find these change logs again lol Sep 02 00:16:56 shadavis08: have you tried searching for "LunaCE" in Just Type? Sep 02 00:17:53 ka6sox: um no ha ha ,will try it now Sep 02 00:19:37 ka6sox: well nothing comes up? Sep 02 00:20:50 shadavis08: hmm, maybe it's gone after a Luna restart... at least "palm-launch org.webosports.lunace" from your desktop shoud work :P Sep 02 00:21:02 (and I'm still not ka6sox) Sep 02 00:21:44 resizing a vm's drive takes forever. Ugh. 60GB should make arm compiles effortless tho Sep 02 00:22:08 ha ha do I have to type everyone's name every time I want to talk to someone ?. I know who are you by golly !! lol Sep 02 00:22:21 :P Sep 02 00:22:30 stroughtonsmith, should! Sep 02 00:22:40 lol Sep 02 00:23:04 wow how do you reply without typing out names quickly? Sep 02 00:23:05 shadavis08: if you write a name, then use the correct one :P Sep 02 00:23:16 press a letter then tab to complete? Sep 02 00:23:21 assuming you're in a decent client Sep 02 00:23:24 ok not-pc-world Sep 02 00:23:38 I'm on tp Sep 02 00:23:42 TPad Sep 02 00:24:24 shadavis08: is this a wIRC bug or are you kidding us? Sep 02 00:24:24 oh wow kool pc-world : kool Sep 02 00:25:26 nope I see how to pull up names quickly now pc-world : I've never used wirc before Sep 02 00:26:35 * ka6sox uses XChat on the TP Sep 02 00:27:04 ka6sox: nice... Ubuntu/Debian chroot? Sep 02 00:27:07 ka6sox: pc-world: and I still don't have a LunaCE icon , well what's SCant? Sep 02 00:27:18 XChat Sep 02 00:27:57 shadavis08: then view the changelog here... https://github.com/webos-internals/build/blob/master/beta-woce/lunace/Makefile Sep 02 00:31:59 shadavis08, its an XApp we did for the chroot Sep 02 00:32:36 making it run on the TP like the rest of teh machines I use. Sep 02 00:50:34 ka6sox: thank you man! Sep 02 00:57:20 jfyi shadavis08, you don't have to type someone's name every time you want to talk to them Sep 02 00:57:59 it's just a way to get their attention, generally it makes their IRC client beep, blink, buzz, notify, w/e Sep 02 01:13:04 Hi hackers, what cool things are you working on right now? Sep 02 01:13:45 morning rrix Sep 02 01:14:28 currently I'm puzzling out a way to get my hair back after ripping it out during a particularly painful session of super mario sunshine Sep 02 01:15:13 ShiftyAxel: Super Mario Sunshine has that affect, I've noticed. Sep 02 01:24:01 cheaper than a haircut! Sep 02 01:24:54 ShiftyAxel: thank you for that info lol Sep 02 01:25:42 what is Mario sunshine ? Sep 02 01:32:59 Only the best game ever Sep 02 01:33:03 ... Sep 02 01:33:15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Sunshine Sep 02 01:33:26 * rrix FLUDDs halfhalo Sep 02 01:33:35 rrix: hmm for which system Sep 02 01:34:50 I see now . I don't play video games much Sep 02 01:35:00 Gamecube Sep 02 01:35:37 Lots of fun, but SO FUCKING DIFFICULT Sep 02 01:59:21 well you all have a good night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 02 02:59:59 2012