**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 08 02:59:58 2012 Sep 08 03:00:53 https://github.com/fxspec06/fx.Fader/blob/master/fx.Fader.js Sep 08 03:01:16 Garrett92C: idont care what you make if its as nice as the weather one I'll buy it just to look at it Sep 08 03:02:02 lol, thanks EricBlade-TP Sep 08 03:02:23 LarrySteeze: RSS is a good idea. Might play with that later. Sep 08 03:02:41 Oh, did you guys see the latest article on webosnation.com? :D Sep 08 03:03:43 oh hey, that's cool Sep 08 03:04:32 if only you could like, put that hovering over the wallpaper Sep 08 03:04:41 I'm amazed that he forgot about the wave launcher.. heh Sep 08 03:05:13 he gives exposure. he writes for the company lol Sep 08 03:05:50 so, wave launcher only works when you can see the launcher bar already? Sep 08 03:05:55 tno Sep 08 03:06:00 oh, you hold down Sep 08 03:06:01 got it Sep 08 03:06:04 and the wave launcher is a work in progress anyway Sep 08 03:06:08 nice article Sep 08 03:06:35 the wave launcher is awesome :) Sep 08 03:07:19 for those of you looking for a free Nexus 7 to port Open webOS to, check out http://cruzerlite.com/giveaway Sep 08 03:07:20 i swear really guys i'm gonna help. it's been on my list of top things to do Sep 08 03:07:46 fxspec06: just let me know when you're ready and I'll tell you things on the to-do list :D Sep 08 03:07:53 you know much c++? Sep 08 03:07:55 Can I get a free Nexus 7 without porting webOS to it? lol Sep 08 03:08:09 O.O there are free Nexus 7's? Sep 08 03:08:09 Garrett92C: you can enter just because :P Sep 08 03:08:10 i did Sep 08 03:08:10 larry: i'm taking it this semester, so that shouldn't be a problem Sep 08 03:08:30 LarrySteeze: yep. the company i work for is giving one away Sep 08 03:08:44 along with a few free cases, and some 20 cases for "consolation" prises :) Sep 08 03:08:54 i've been around enough to learn fast enough to do what i want to do, and taking the class will def make life easier, and vice versa Sep 08 03:08:58 taking it for a semester doesn't mean you know it :P Nothing about you, but when I took it in HS, there were def people who didn't know ANYTHING after the class was done Sep 08 03:09:13 but I know you know JS which is close Sep 08 03:09:31 or rather...close enough to know that you know syntax rules Sep 08 03:10:03 i wrote c# apps for internship, and i've written full apps in flash, java, and done native ios and java code.. Sep 08 03:10:21 not to mention i've done server files. so i got everything but cpp lol Sep 08 03:10:33 or ruby, or python, or all the other ones. Sep 08 03:11:26 aw, you can't open the app drawer from the wave launcher? sad day. Sep 08 03:11:39 but the biggest thing is i want to do it, nothing will stop me because it's something i want to do Sep 08 03:12:20 HaDaK: but if you know the easter egg, you can set an active desktop :D Sep 08 03:12:33 active desktop, you say? Sep 08 03:12:44 hmm? I don't know what you're talking about Sep 08 03:12:57 Garrett92C: does you weather widget update automatically? Sep 08 03:13:03 Garrett92C: cause it didn't pick up that it was raining. Sep 08 03:13:07 it's actually a bug, but it works well :P Sep 08 03:13:20 Garrett92C: perhaps a last updated time in the widget? ^^ Sep 08 03:14:17 * LarrySteeze was given a pair of samsung headphones from a SGIII. *LarrySteeze does not like them. Sep 08 03:16:33 HaDAk: It updates whenever you open the dashboard. Adding a "last updated" would be a good idea. Sep 08 03:16:51 Not sure how often Yahoo updates their stuff. :/ Sep 08 03:16:55 Garrett92C: does the background change based on the current weather? cause it should. Sep 08 03:17:08 Anyone know of a service that has up-to-the-minute data? and is free? Sep 08 03:17:32 HaDAk: It does not. I can easily add that though. Just need to make up images for it. Sep 08 03:17:41 Garrett92C: could you do animated images? Sep 08 03:18:26 Garrett92C: also, would it be possible to add a forecast -- say, if you tapped it, it swapped between current conditions, and the forecast Sep 08 03:18:36 HaDAk: I'm sure that's possible. Not sure of the effect on batt life though. Sep 08 03:19:00 Garrett92C: for animated backgrounds? i dunno. minimal, i'd guess. Sep 08 03:19:35 Uh oh! It's late for me...gotta run. Have a good night all! Sep 08 03:19:47 HaDAk: Yes, pretty much anything is possible. heh Sep 08 03:19:51 nn LarrySteeze Sep 08 03:19:54 c ya Sep 08 03:19:54 Garrett92C: :) Sep 08 03:24:19 Garrett92C: lemme know if you get an ipk for me to teset Sep 08 03:25:58 HaDAk: Will do. Won't be tonight since it's getting kinda late. Probably will have something over the weekend though. Sep 08 03:26:08 no worries Sep 08 03:26:15 hey, how are you with javascript? Sep 08 03:29:13 Me? I'm decent with it. Sep 08 03:29:22 maybe you can help me with something? Sep 08 03:29:30 What's up? Sep 08 03:51:07 I wonder if there shouldn't be some kind of outset border around the weather widget, wondering what it would look like with two flat things right next to each other Sep 08 03:56:29 should find a way to build pbnjson with yajl2 Sep 08 04:10:51 I saw someone had recently submitted some changes to make compatible with upstream yajl changes Sep 08 04:20:14 * ka6sox laughs every time he sees YAML Sep 08 04:25:55 game? Sep 08 04:26:05 er. yaml? Sep 08 04:29:36 ohdear Sep 08 04:30:11 someone forgot to pay the enyojs forum hosting bill Sep 08 04:30:16 that's embarassing Sep 08 04:31:52 EricBlade-TP: they use yajl 1.x, and i'm using 2.x Sep 08 04:33:41 I'm not familiar with it, but I bet I will be looking into it. Sep 08 04:39:43 yikes Sep 08 04:48:26 I doubt given the short time line that the will consider changing any thing other than those things that flat don't work!!!1 Sep 08 04:52:46 hmmm? Sep 08 05:06:23 Enyo forums. back up and now I can't reach twitter Sep 08 05:09:02 OMG....600 crazies following @webos-ports Sep 08 05:09:06 interesting Sep 08 05:13:02 the bartender at the poker room, my android fanboy friend, loves lunace Sep 08 05:13:29 he was a webOS fanboy back in 2009 Sep 08 05:13:48 he said wow that's so fast, its like his nexus 7. hmm. Sep 08 06:04:09 [core-apps] skipmeister123 pushed 4 new commits to master: http://git.io/zv95Uw Sep 08 06:04:09 [core-apps/master] Added non-functional quick-reply bar. - Hans Kokx Sep 08 06:04:09 [core-apps/master] Fixed online status icon bug - Hans Kokx Sep 08 06:04:09 [core-apps/master] Added From: address below the From: sender name - Hans Kokx Sep 08 06:13:09 ka6sox: you up? Sep 08 06:18:12 for small values of UP. Sep 08 06:20:29 HaDAk? Sep 08 06:20:48 trying to create a patch file Sep 08 06:20:57 could use some advice on making sure i do it right before i submit it Sep 08 06:21:02 ok Sep 08 06:21:09 submitting to whom? Sep 08 06:21:14 preware? Sep 08 06:21:20 i've done this: diff -c palm-core-apps/com.palm.app.email/ my-core-apps/com.palm.app.email/ > better-headers.patch Sep 08 06:22:14 and what level are you going to use for patch? Sep 08 06:23:39 i dunno. i'm asking for advice on how to create this patch properly. Sep 08 06:24:15 * ka6sox can't remember what level we use on patch! I've always used patch -p1 Sep 08 06:24:23 sure. -p1. works for me. Sep 08 06:24:28 no idea what that means. Sep 08 06:24:31 let's go with it. Sep 08 06:25:08 you HAVE created patches for preware before, right? Sep 08 06:25:12 I like the way you think. Sep 08 06:25:31 * HaDAk sighs Sep 08 06:25:37 i just wanna contribute this patch Sep 08 06:25:45 will somebody please answer my questions so i can do so? Sep 08 06:26:20 * halfhalo doesn't know a thing about patches Sep 08 06:27:53 HaDAk, I have not...I worko on Kernels and all the Infra to keep things humming for 16 different FOSS projects (and try to herd cats here) Sep 08 06:28:09 who HAS contributed patches to preware? Sep 08 06:28:12 my Son (who has done patches) is asleep right now... Sep 08 06:28:18 >.> Sep 08 06:29:38 HaDAk, I would ask in #webos-internals as thats where this is usually done...-ports is much lower level stuff, C and C++ Sep 08 06:29:48 i'll hit em up Sep 08 06:32:36 * ka6sox works on aquiring JBOD box... Sep 08 06:32:47 acquiring Sep 08 06:37:47 [core-apps] skipmeister123 pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/-KC2dA Sep 08 06:37:47 [core-apps/master] Reverting superfluous changes - Hans Kokx Sep 08 10:43:39 morning Sep 08 10:43:59 morning, bluen Sep 08 10:45:51 panda-z: did you try building owo desktop? When running ./mcf -p 0 -b 0 qemux86, I'm getting a "unable to find current revision in submodule path "meta oe" Sep 08 10:50:36 do you mean oe version? :) Sep 08 10:51:09 bluen: you should run `git submodule update --init` first. Sep 08 10:51:55 afk Sep 08 10:53:54 same error: fatal: Needed a single revision Unable to find current revision in submodule path 'meta-oe' Sep 08 11:38:48 bluen: ping Sep 08 12:52:24 panda-z: ping Sep 08 12:53:57 morning Sep 08 12:54:39 bluen: pong Sep 08 12:55:51 morning ShiftyAxel Sep 08 12:56:06 morning panda-z Sep 08 12:56:17 panda-z: pong Sep 08 12:56:45 ShiftyAxel, if garret and more are gonna end up making more kickass widgets like his weather one, can/will lunaCE ever aquire a widget/app startup-launcher on luna startups? Sep 08 12:57:00 bluen: hi, did you solve the problem? Sep 08 12:57:26 panda-z: nope Sep 08 12:57:58 GeekPeter: it's certainly possible, there already exists a section in /etc/palm/luna-platform.conf for launching on startup Sep 08 12:58:12 alternately, preset reset Sep 08 12:59:00 bluen: just `git clone` the openwebos/build-webos repo and `cd build-webos` and `git submodule update --init` Sep 08 12:59:02 does that only do stuff on launch or does it hang around suckin resources Sep 08 13:04:47 panda-z: ok trashed build-webos and tried again. permission denied (public key). running in vmware on a mac, thought i made the key on the mac could that be the problem? Sep 08 13:05:32 ShiftyAxel; garret's weather widget is awesome, I am now a convert Sep 08 13:06:40 bluen: you should generate ssh keys first, follow the instructions here: https://help.github.com/articles/generating-ssh-keys Sep 08 13:08:03 panda-z: i generated on the mac, its there. Since I am in vmware ubuntu though for build-webos, would it call the key that i generated on the mac Sep 08 13:08:25 blue: ikr? couldn't have asked for a better example of big dashboards :) Sep 08 13:08:54 bluen: i think you shoud generate it in the ubuntu vm Sep 08 13:11:01 * ShiftyAxel hates his neighbourhood sometimes Sep 08 13:11:32 if it's not noisy kids screaming and singing on the hill outside, it's that ONE guy who's car alarm KEEPS GOING OFF Sep 08 13:12:26 if it was some1 stealign your car, youd be appreciatign that alarm Sep 08 13:13:14 1. I don't have a car 2. The owner doesn't seem bothered, because it's been going off for AGES Sep 08 13:13:27 maybe he stole it :D Sep 08 13:14:14 lol, maybe Sep 08 13:14:17 ic an relate to your point no1 tho, i didnt bother gettign a car till i was 28, always used trains/busses till the mental high prices ticked me off Sep 08 13:14:29 cant live withotu 1 now Sep 08 13:14:45 I'm getting to that point, hate public transport Sep 08 13:14:59 i dont mind it, its the prices i ended up paying, esp trains Sep 08 13:15:34 they just raised the prices here recently too... Sep 08 13:15:40 when i paid 120quid to go 1 way a short distance back hoem near a christmas time while carrying 5 fucking heavy bags in teh freezing weather, then i thought, yup car would be nice Sep 08 13:15:59 I can deal with being on it, but generally I'm not down for hot, cramped spaces full of strangers :P Sep 08 13:16:25 nto an orgy man then Sep 08 13:16:53 nope, I'm more pubs than clubs ;) Sep 08 13:17:25 next youll be playing darts and wearign cardigans Sep 08 13:19:14 * ShiftyAxel is an old soul Sep 08 13:19:18 damn kids! back in my day! Sep 08 13:19:30 i think i was born old Sep 08 13:19:49 geeky, but old Sep 08 13:21:26 I know exactly what you mean :D Sep 08 13:21:31 :) Sep 08 13:21:48 right, time to see if i can't silence the 'wahwahwah wave launcher isn't a wave' emanating from the forums Sep 08 13:22:00 :) Sep 08 13:22:51 panda-z: can i just copy the .ssh folder from the mac to ubuntu? it only has that one key in it Sep 08 13:22:54 ah just noticed garrets widget looks just as awesome displayed on the lockscreen Sep 08 13:26:27 bluen: dunno, but you can keep more than one ssh key on github. Sep 08 13:27:26 ShiftyAxel: I would like HP (palm gr.am whatever it is called) to fold the lunaCE improvements into openwebOS so it gets noticed right off the bat when openWebOS comes out. Sep 08 13:28:13 that would be good, though i think the changes will have to be either redone from scratch (some of them need rewriting imo) or merged by someone with powerful git-fu Sep 08 13:28:18 panda-z: the instructions for generating ssh key use pbcopy which is a mac command but not ubuntu Sep 08 13:28:44 bluen: are you listening HP, gram, Pallm? Sep 08 13:29:00 pallllmmmm Sep 08 13:29:24 bluen: for linux you should follow https://help.github.com/articles/generating-ssh-keys#platform-linux Sep 08 13:30:11 ShiftyAxel: can someone from HP work with you beforehand? Too clever for words to do this. How about sending them an email on that email list? or tweeting ends? Sep 08 13:30:14 enda Sep 08 13:30:33 it can be done Sep 08 13:30:47 at this point though, I think HP wants to focus on actually getting OWO finished for a 1.0 release Sep 08 13:31:00 invite 1 to an irc room with all you devs :) at least 1 coudl but listen Sep 08 13:31:16 introducing a heap of new functions to debug would be kind of counterproductive considering the restrictive 1-month deadline Sep 08 13:37:02 ShiftyAxel: very practical. Well if owo is a wowzer without lunaCE improvements then OK. If not, they should bring a handful of you guys in under nda now to help add features and debug so owo is a wowzer at launch Sep 08 13:37:35 because lunaCE is now becoming a wowzer. And thats ** good. Down periscope Sep 08 13:38:09 haha, well I think OWO will be better under the hood at launch, what with the new browser engine Sep 08 13:38:23 so apps should run much smoother, faster etc Sep 08 13:39:07 ShiftyAxel: judging by the lack of publicity for lunaCE beyond webosnation, not many journalists are going to publish about it--but they will publish about owl- at least the introduction of it Sep 08 13:39:27 owo-***text corrector Sep 08 13:40:24 shiftyaxel: its got its greatest chance of publicity at launch day Sep 08 13:40:34 it meaning owo Sep 08 13:40:41 go away owl Sep 08 13:40:47 its daytime Sep 08 13:43:48 shiftyaxel: imagine if at launch there is now a whole section in theverge or arstechnica about tabbed cards. or mini cards. or cool weather widgets. It would make people WANNA TEST OWO. Sep 08 13:43:49 whoa! the new build of owo looks pretty good. Sep 08 13:44:38 bluen: yes, but as I said, it's probably not going to happen before they have 1.0 finished Sep 08 13:46:04 and some stuff still needs polishing Sep 08 13:46:22 PatrickC, bluen: did one of you guys mention the minicards being confusing yesterday? Sep 08 13:50:39 ShiftyAxel: No but i had some mini cards appear on top of advanced browser. I guess i tapped underneath them trying to get the QL and they turned into minicards Sep 08 13:54:13 panda-z: cool. ssh key works, ty. see me at dawn for my feedback on owo, i see the instructions were updated to say it takes many moons to build it Sep 08 13:55:38 bluen: sweet! it took me a whole day solving problem while building owos on x64. Sep 08 13:56:42 panda-z: since this is second time around, i wonder if it will be shorter or does it start completely from scratch Sep 08 13:58:51 the web app cannot work properly, it crashes when i entered some url and hit enter Sep 08 14:00:10 panda-z: what build are you using? latest? Sep 08 14:00:58 ShiftyAxel: yes, the latest desktop version, and i modified the libpbnjson to use yajl2.:P Sep 08 14:01:12 on x64? Sep 08 14:01:21 maybe isis needs some changes to work correctly Sep 08 14:01:25 or maybe you broke it :P Sep 08 14:01:40 yup, on x86_64 Sep 08 14:03:40 ShiftyAxel: i'll do some further investigate with isis ;-) Sep 08 14:04:46 now it have a wallpaper and the just type works Sep 08 14:07:12 ya, I read about that Sep 08 14:07:16 how do they seem? good? Sep 08 14:07:21 and what's the wallpaper? Sep 08 14:10:18 yup Sep 08 14:12:49 i'll take a shot Sep 08 14:15:14 ShiftyAxel: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/j6g5h89spytbblv/yXES_GCtwT Sep 08 14:15:56 nice, it looks a lot more complete now Sep 08 14:16:09 and the gesture bar is white now I see, beats beige Sep 08 14:16:36 nice Sep 08 14:17:11 3400 tasks to go before I can publish my own pic Sep 08 14:43:55 ShiftyAxel: maybe the owo guys will surprise you and build one feature from lunaCE into OWO. If so, which feature would you pick? Sep 08 14:48:02 Bluen...the answer is NO..they will not include ANY LunaCE features in 1.0 Sep 08 14:48:25 speculation, this is Sep 08 14:48:38 OT this is... Sep 08 14:55:23 mornin Sep 08 14:57:33 morning Sep 08 15:01:11 bluen: please keep all speculatory talk in -offtopic Sep 08 15:03:13 morning Garrett92C Sep 08 15:04:44 mornin Sep 08 15:05:33 morning HaDAk Sep 08 15:06:17 ShiftyAxel: i tried submitting a patch last night for the mail client changes i've been making, but the people that were awake were marginally helpful Sep 08 15:06:34 HaDAk: iirc Jason made a patching tool Sep 08 15:07:20 do you know anything else about it? Sep 08 15:07:29 HaDAk: http://forums.webosnation.com/canuck-coding/210781-unified-diff-creator.html Sep 08 15:07:30 ya Sep 08 15:07:41 crazy how informative a forum search can be :) Sep 08 15:07:53 if you know that things are there to search for :P Sep 08 15:08:41 Someone say patches? I've made more of them then I can count. lol Sep 08 15:08:57 i patched two files. will this handle that? Sep 08 15:09:27 You make a patch for each file and then combine them (copy/paste) Sep 08 15:09:32 ya Sep 08 15:09:47 durp Sep 08 15:11:46 Still waiting for webOSNation to approve my widget for the their Preware feed :/ Sep 08 15:12:31 Garrett92C: thankfully you only need it once Sep 08 15:12:56 Ah, do updates get auto-approved? Sep 08 15:14:04 new apps too Sep 08 15:14:25 you're good to go after your first one Sep 08 15:15:12 Sweet. That's good to know. On a related note, the widget has already been downloaded 243 times from my site :D Sep 08 15:15:40 nice :D Sep 08 15:15:53 saw you got featured on wosn for it Sep 08 15:16:44 Yea! It was less about the widget and more about how cool LunaCE is. You guys do great work. Sep 08 15:16:46 patching core apps (email)...where are the files located? or, do i just patch right into cryptofs? Sep 08 15:17:13 Most of the core apps were moved to cryptofs recently. Sep 08 15:17:30 HaDAk, I would say I was LESS than marginally helpful :P Sep 08 15:17:39 well, true. Sep 08 15:17:43 :P Sep 08 15:18:41 i've installed an ipk for testing on mine... does /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.email sound right? Sep 08 15:19:01 Yea, that sounds about right Sep 08 15:21:21 Garrett92C: can you confirm this looks right? http://pastebin.com/D1ydcFdi Sep 08 15:22:28 looking good to me Sep 08 15:22:32 actually, if anyone has an unmodified mail app, maybe they could provide the source off their device, instead of the one in the github repo, since they appear to have changed it a couple times Sep 08 15:22:45 the OWO one won't run, we know this Sep 08 15:22:48 Looks good to me Sep 08 15:22:55 I think bluen has a second TP with the stock email app Sep 08 15:23:38 HaDAk: You should get a fresh Doctor and extract the filesystem out of it. That way, you'll always the clean source files Sep 08 15:23:52 not a horrible idea. Sep 08 15:23:58 * ShiftyAxel is not going there, you guys have fun Sep 08 15:24:07 at any rate Sep 08 15:24:12 hey ShiftyAxel, it's a PATCH now. Sep 08 15:24:14 wanna try it? Sep 08 15:24:14 HaDAk: That's what I've been doing. I have a nice collection now. lol Sep 08 15:24:25 HaDAk: good work, only if you test it first :) Sep 08 15:24:37 because now we have a restore path, we need a confirmed install Sep 08 15:24:48 then distribution with reckless abandon can commence Sep 08 15:25:31 i'm downloading the doctor Sep 08 15:25:42 i'm going to restore thet doctor version of the mail app Sep 08 15:25:48 then we can figure out how to patch it ^^ Sep 08 15:26:01 a hint with regards to doctor extration, /media/cryptofs doesn't exist in the doctor, the files will be in a tarball somewhere Sep 08 15:26:15 ah, thanks Sep 08 15:26:43 In the doctor, the stock apps will be in /usr/palm/applications/ Sep 08 15:26:45 ShiftyAxel: i didn't mention the minicards being confused yesterday Sep 08 15:26:55 hrm, I wonder who it was then... Sep 08 15:27:01 i mentioned it. Sep 08 15:27:06 they said something about the pinch zoom making things confusing Sep 08 15:27:14 HaDAk: what precisely was the problem? Sep 08 15:27:26 a few things Sep 08 15:27:28 a) Sep 08 15:27:31 I think the mini/non-mini modes need some tweaking with the zoom gesture Sep 08 15:27:38 when you resize the regular cards to be small, you can't tell them apart from the mini cards Sep 08 15:28:01 b) when it's in mini-mode, card stacking tries to use the non-mini boundaries to stack Sep 08 15:28:20 that's the one, you reckon it should have two separate values that you can modify independently and toggle between? Sep 08 15:28:26 c) i had a helluva time tapping to make them non-mini again...it just wanted to maximize any app i clicked under (probably because the hit boxes were still large) Sep 08 15:28:38 i dunno Sep 08 15:28:41 that should be fixed in 4.9.0 Sep 08 15:28:43 i'm just telling you the problems i had Sep 08 15:28:47 i'm running 4.9.0 Sep 08 15:28:47 (b) Sep 08 15:29:16 you should be able to tap anywhere that's not a card to toggle mini mode Sep 08 15:29:26 and tap on any card to maximize it Sep 08 15:29:35 the hitboxes should be the same as what you see on screen Sep 08 15:29:49 no bueno. edge cards maximizing or some shit broke that Sep 08 15:30:46 I'm running it with edge cards maximizing Sep 08 15:32:30 i dunno mang. that's what i see. Sep 08 15:32:33 it was awkward Sep 08 15:32:42 hmm, strangeness Sep 08 15:32:56 well, it works really nicely in the version i'm running, so you'll def. have it in 4.10.0 :P Sep 08 15:33:16 also i'm working on silencing the cries of 'wahwahwah wave launcher is a square' Sep 08 15:33:25 just doing the icon positioning now Sep 08 15:33:39 anything else you need people to test ShiftyAxel? :) Sep 08 15:33:48 not yet PatrickC Sep 08 15:33:52 ShiftyAxel: Easy! Just rename it flat launcher. :) Sep 08 15:34:03 ShiftyAxel: gotcha Sep 08 15:34:03 hurm Sep 08 15:34:11 i don't see the email app in the webos doctor tarball Sep 08 15:34:14 * HaDAk keeps looking Sep 08 15:34:39 it's probably inside another tarball Sep 08 15:34:42 HaDAk: it's also in the apps included with the SDK Sep 08 15:34:45 IIRC Sep 08 15:34:58 that would probably be easier Sep 08 15:35:03 bu been a while since i looked for it Sep 08 15:35:06 but* Sep 08 15:35:11 my sdk has been patched to hell for testing. Sep 08 15:35:15 i suppose i could redeploy it though Sep 08 15:35:29 lol Sep 08 15:36:14 but how do i pull files out of it? hum Sep 08 15:36:38 it's just a folder... i thought? Sep 08 15:36:38 HaDAk: Look in /usr/palm/ipks/ Sep 08 15:36:40 they should be in /opt/foo iirc Sep 08 15:36:53 HaDAk: first question: what desktop OS? :P Sep 08 15:36:58 HaDAk: In the doctor, that is Sep 08 15:37:06 that will help me remember wat the folder path is :) Sep 08 15:37:09 oh, there's the ipk Sep 08 15:37:14 i could just deploy that Sep 08 15:37:15 ah nic Sep 08 15:37:16 nice* Sep 08 15:37:23 the IPK can be easeily extracted Sep 08 15:37:31 is it just a zip or something? Sep 08 15:37:48 yeah Sep 08 15:37:52 i use 7zip to open them Sep 08 15:37:56 hey, there we go Sep 08 15:37:57 got it :) Sep 08 15:37:58 well, zip/tar/etc. Sep 08 15:42:34 now, there's a diff Sep 08 15:42:34 http://pastebin.com/LXenXaff Sep 08 15:43:04 it seems like it tried to take out way too much though Sep 08 15:43:25 wow Sep 08 15:43:34 yeah, what are you diffing it against, the OWO one? Sep 08 15:43:47 iirc the email app in the doctor shouldn't have the copyright stuff at the top Sep 08 15:44:11 i just pulled the one from the doctor and diffed it against the one i've been working on in github Sep 08 15:44:47 what was the github one based off of? Sep 08 15:45:02 WOW Sep 08 15:45:04 \OWO Sep 08 15:45:14 OOW Sep 08 15:45:24 which is why it's not working, you can't patch using different base code Sep 08 15:45:41 you need to make the changes to the doctor version and make a patch of that Sep 08 15:45:54 that's a bit of work :| Sep 08 15:46:58 yup, though you can still use the github version against OWO Sep 08 15:47:19 not that that's of much help when you're trying to deploy it to the TP Sep 08 15:52:40 HaDAk: my advice is follow the commits in your github, should be fairly easy to repeat them manually Sep 08 15:53:28 what was the recovery patch for unpatching the email client before? Sep 08 15:53:41 define before? Sep 08 15:53:55 when i pushed out that ipk for testing Sep 08 15:54:12 get the SDK one/a backup and put it back Sep 08 15:54:43 hum. i just tried doing that, but it didn't overwrite my headers. Sep 08 15:55:27 headers? Sep 08 15:55:54 you might have to delete the existing com.palm.app.email from your cryptofs before you reinstall Sep 08 15:59:53 well, that managed to actually remove my mail client and not let me reinstall it. Sep 08 16:00:05 so, that's nice. Sep 08 16:00:18 unzip the ipk, put the folders in place manually Sep 08 16:02:54 ok, yeah. that worked. phew. Sep 08 16:14:25 bah. i can't test it with palm-run Sep 08 16:14:30 it doesn't copy over the app Sep 08 16:15:51 probably because it's marked an non-uninstallable Sep 08 16:16:08 that's what i'm thinking. Sep 08 16:16:15 i guess i can manually edit the json Sep 08 16:20:04 woot, wave graphics are looking pretty sweet Sep 08 16:28:19 \o/ Sep 08 16:30:10 ShiftyAxel: Looking forward to seeing it! Sep 08 16:30:50 well, I just know that if I release it as it is the cries will change to 'wahwahwah the launcher button doesn't work with the wave launcher' Sep 08 16:31:13 almost have this patch ready to go Sep 08 16:31:16 couple small changes Sep 08 16:32:28 ShiftyAxel: Aww.. Don't let those people get to you, man. People expect too much... Sep 08 16:32:49 ShiftyAxel: That's the joys of being a homebrew dev though. haha Sep 08 16:33:00 I'm already cynical about the average user :P Sep 08 16:33:08 though that's largely from years of free family tech support Sep 08 16:34:35 HaDAk: how did you get along with the quick reply Sep 08 16:34:36 ? Sep 08 16:34:51 i removed it, for now. until somebody can help me implement the logic. Sep 08 16:41:00 ok, i'm happy with these resutls Sep 08 16:41:02 lemme diff it Sep 08 16:43:56 http://pastebin.com/6a0s5pMc Sep 08 16:43:58 better? Sep 08 16:46:54 much nicer Sep 08 16:47:30 ok. how do i (safely) test it on device? Sep 08 16:48:15 load it on via usb or novacom put, then open it with internalz Sep 08 16:48:26 should be able to install it from there Sep 08 16:51:08 installed. restarting luna then testing Sep 08 16:51:49 and it's goooooooooood Sep 08 16:51:53 fantastic! Sep 08 16:51:54 wicked Sep 08 16:51:55 who wants to test! Sep 08 16:52:02 there should be an uninstall option in preware too Sep 08 16:52:10 got a dropbox you can stick it on? Sep 08 16:52:19 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11816/better-headers.patch Sep 08 16:52:22 way ahead of ya Sep 08 16:54:29 before: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11816/email_2012-08-09_120303.png Sep 08 16:54:38 after: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11816/email_2012-08-09_125234.png Sep 08 16:56:10 nice Sep 08 16:57:41 re-submitted to preware Sep 08 16:57:48 shouldn't have submitted the one last night. oh well. Sep 08 16:58:31 * HaDAk is feeling quite proud for his first patch Sep 08 16:59:25 * HaDAk is filthy and needs a shower now Sep 08 17:34:51 mkay, wave launcher is done Sep 08 17:34:59 it's got waviness, works with the launcher, all the stuff Sep 08 17:52:19 anyone want to do some testing? HaDAk? Garrett92C? bluen? PatrickC? Sep 08 17:53:11 I can test after I make some lunch. 30 mins or so? Sep 08 17:53:47 sounds good :) Sep 08 17:54:00 Excellent. Be back in a bit Sep 08 17:59:03 morning LarrySteeze Sep 08 17:59:43 o.o morning Sep 08 17:59:51 I'm not really here though! Sep 08 18:00:49 ShiftyAxel: what am i testing? Sep 08 18:01:01 also, who wants to test my patch? ^^ Sep 08 18:02:46 4.10.0 Sep 08 18:02:54 now with a wavy wavelauncher Sep 08 18:03:09 for the purposes of shutting up the complainers :) Sep 08 18:03:17 i'm a complainer! Sep 08 18:04:04 HaDAk +1 Sep 08 18:04:11 HaDAk +2 Sep 08 18:04:35 ShiftyAxel: I don't see it in the feed Sep 08 18:04:39 just compiling and pushing my changes to the binaries repo, Sep 08 18:04:39 is it supposed to be there? Sep 08 18:04:43 ah ok Sep 08 18:06:34 ~ot Sep 08 18:06:34 * WoceBot spider-man's driving the mystery machine. Thread derailed. Sep 08 18:06:37 ~OT Sep 08 18:06:38 * WoceBot spider-man's driving the mystery machine. Thread derailed. Sep 08 18:07:11 LarrySteeze: try ~bluen Sep 08 18:09:22 HaDAk, LarrySteeze, Garrett92C: okay, the -binaries repo has been updated with the 4.9.2rc Sep 08 18:09:59 rebooting. Sep 08 18:10:08 test candidate is the wave launcher Sep 08 18:10:10 i must've started updating the repos before you pushed Sep 08 18:10:12 drat Sep 08 18:10:29 just run 'git pull' inside the dir Sep 08 18:10:37 or. Sep 08 18:10:41 i don't see it. Sep 08 18:10:44 * HaDAk sighs Sep 08 18:11:18 'git clone git://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr-binaries' 'cd LunaSysMgr-binaries' './install.sh' Sep 08 18:11:59 it works Sep 08 18:12:08 oh. you've got a repo. Sep 08 18:12:10 heh. Sep 08 18:12:37 LarrySteeze: what do you think of it? looking good? Sep 08 18:12:49 i'm in windows at the moment, so install.sh won't work Sep 08 18:12:50 ShiftyAxel: will test Sep 08 18:13:02 HaDAk: it will if you run it as a .bat Sep 08 18:13:09 just copy paste and rename Sep 08 18:13:18 yeah, i was just reading the file to see if i'd be able to Sep 08 18:13:39 it is looking good. I'd prefer some differences, but it's good :P Sep 08 18:14:00 restarting Sep 08 18:14:02 LarrySteeze: what sort of differences? Sep 08 18:14:32 just in rendering, but it's good. it works. Sep 08 18:16:22 if you launch the application page from the wave launcher, the application bar icons disappear Sep 08 18:16:31 application bar icons? Sep 08 18:16:52 the launcher bar Sep 08 18:16:55 at the bottom Sep 08 18:17:04 that's because the quicklaunch IS the wavelauncher Sep 08 18:17:45 if you swipe up, the icons stay there. it's a bug. Sep 08 18:17:47 :) Sep 08 18:17:58 the wave launcher disappears, but the icons don't come back Sep 08 18:18:09 a little more detailed please Sep 08 18:18:47 http://localhostr.com/files/rcTViwY/browser_2012-08-09_141811.png Sep 08 18:19:26 it works fine if you don't have any applications open Sep 08 18:19:38 but if you're in an application, the QL bar doesn't slide up again Sep 08 18:20:02 aha, there we go Sep 08 18:20:21 yeah, I can replicate that Sep 08 18:20:28 :) Sep 08 18:20:29 bug! Sep 08 18:20:39 please open an entry in the issue tracker Sep 08 18:20:41 aside from it being ugly, it functions well. Sep 08 18:20:44 i... Sep 08 18:20:45 argh. Sep 08 18:20:46 yep good find Sep 08 18:21:11 dammit. where's the bug tracker? :P Sep 08 18:21:18 issues.webos-ports.org Sep 08 18:21:35 please include precise instructions for replicating it Sep 08 18:22:22 back to work bbl Sep 08 18:22:58 oh ffs Sep 08 18:23:19 http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/143 Sep 08 18:23:27 bluen: a test report please? without a 'it works' confirmation you're pretty much leaving us hanging until you get back Sep 08 18:24:40 ShiftyAxel: HaDak issue confirmed Sep 08 18:24:43 ShiftyAxel: i'd note that in webos 1.x, the wave launcher background was actually larger around where your finger was, and smaller on the sides. yours is inverted. perhaps you can fix that? Sep 08 18:25:07 bluen, anything *else*? Sep 08 18:25:19 like 'test successful' or 'negative, test failed' Sep 08 18:25:35 and what failed? Sep 08 18:25:59 the response I was looking for from bluen, testing requires an explicit 'yes' or 'no' Sep 08 18:27:10 ShiftyAxel: otherwise wave launcher works and is suitably wavy, tested a bunch of apps and included some old phone apps that were migrated onto my touchpad Sep 08 18:27:16 though noted regarding the size, I'd forgotten that's how it looked Sep 08 18:27:48 ShiftyAxel: also the wave allows for easier movement of finger to launch a crowded app Sep 08 18:28:02 app on crowded launch bar--ie 8 apps on the bar Sep 08 18:28:22 ShiftyAxel: can you make it highlight the currently "hovered" application in the bar? Sep 08 18:28:59 probably, I might be able to leverage the 'launch' glow Sep 08 18:39:54 confirmed pressing hard directly on top an app with thumb in launch bar enables one to move it off the QL bar Sep 08 18:40:56 fyi you don't need to press hard with the TP's touchscreen Sep 08 18:41:13 shiftyaxel; agreed Sep 08 18:41:43 as in 'it doesn't detect how hard you press' Sep 08 18:43:59 ShiftyAxel: agreed. it is sensitive to lifting finger off Sep 08 18:46:25 ShiftyAxel: good job, bbl Sep 08 18:46:31 ty Sep 08 18:54:53 gwar, I hate QPainterPath Sep 08 18:54:56 that is all Sep 08 19:32:57 good.. uh.. morning. Sep 08 19:38:40 morning EricBlade Sep 08 19:47:39 So, been playing around with the new 4.9.2 Wave Launcher and it's pretty cool! Sep 08 19:48:20 Garrett92C: ty :) Sep 08 19:48:35 I'm working to make it look more like the 2.x one in terms of shape Sep 08 19:48:50 bluen correctly pointed out that I had the thick and thin bits the wrong way around Sep 08 19:51:20 I did notice that when opening the launcher from the wave, the quicklaunch row seems to be missing. Sep 08 19:52:04 Not really an issue since you're probably looking for something that isn't on the quicklaunch when opening it that way. Sep 08 19:55:20 according to HaDAk that's only when you have an app fullscreened Sep 08 19:56:01 Just checked, and you are correct Sep 08 19:58:12 I can probably work around that Sep 08 19:59:13 As I said earlier, it's probably a non-issue since you can get to those missing icons before even opening the launcher from the wave Sep 08 20:00:30 Oh, and sorry i can't really help much with LunaCE. My C++ skill is extremely low. You guys keep up the awesome work tho! Sep 08 20:01:25 everyone has their specialities, just keep at what you're doing now and you'll be fine ;) Sep 08 20:01:39 though learning C++ isn't -that- hard Sep 08 20:02:16 Yea, it's not that bad I guess. I'm sure I can pick it up and start contributing more Sep 08 20:04:17 whew, I've got the 'stache looking how it's supposed to now Sep 08 20:06:14 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82739429/Unknown_2012-08-09_210435.png Sep 08 20:06:18 Garrett92C: thoughts? Sep 08 20:06:44 Ooo nice! Sep 08 20:07:10 if I could figure out how to blur the top and bottom edges it'd be perfect Sep 08 20:07:31 Indeed. I see them jaggies Sep 08 20:07:54 yeah, I'm not sure what's causing that Sep 08 20:08:09 I tried turning on antialiasing but it didn't do anything Sep 08 20:08:14 Doesn't look that bad tho Sep 08 20:12:48 I'm a perfectionist ;) Sep 08 20:14:24 oh, hang on… i may not have actually been enabling antialiasing.. Sep 08 20:15:06 or not.. bah Sep 08 20:16:44 aww Sep 08 20:26:46 I'm thinking perhaps the QL needs a better launch method Sep 08 20:27:45 perhaps a sideways slide on the bottom screen border to make it appear Sep 08 21:08:09 morning pc-world Sep 08 21:08:18 hi ShiftyAxel Sep 08 21:08:32 we have a wavy wavelauncher now Sep 08 21:11:44 nice :) I really have to test the new version(s) soon... Sep 08 21:20:09 good plan :) Sep 08 21:20:28 I'm just rigging up a side gesture on the bottom edge to summon it Sep 08 22:42:01 morning all Sep 08 22:45:01 morning k4ever Sep 08 22:45:24 hey ShiftyAxel Sep 08 22:50:21 desktop x64 back to building for owos Sep 08 22:51:59 on my github, i've got the build-desktop x64 branch and the luna-sysmgr x64 branch, which feature panda-z's patch to the build script and source, as well as some additional minor adjustment. if i could get the build script to use a custom repo or source directory, it'd be all set Sep 08 23:00:29 the new version seems good Sep 08 23:00:36 same old, but it's more complete Sep 08 23:00:47 apparently no OpenGL for desktops though Sep 08 23:01:38 EricBlade: did you remove panda-z's ArchLinux specific changes in the build scripts? Sep 08 23:02:02 i didn't have any problem with that yet? Sep 08 23:04:22 "# ArchLinux's gcc don't support -fuse-ld option, so remove it" Sep 08 23:04:23 that shouldn't be standard for all distributions then Sep 08 23:05:13 pc-world: hmm. yes, i do recall seeing that when i looked over it. Sep 08 23:06:07 morning Sep 08 23:09:51 morning bluen Sep 08 23:10:40 pic of owo desktop build with browser (does not connect to internet) https://www.box.com/s/xbqz27ls2u3tyk3k2u30 Sep 08 23:15:14 * ShiftyAxel has also played with the new desktop build Sep 08 23:15:36 much more complete, performance is still lacking, internet browser displays a 'missing plugin' symbol Sep 08 23:16:08 pc-world: hmm.. it looks like OE's default qt build process also removes the -fuse-ld=gold option, as it's not a standard gcc option. only reference i'm able to locate to it after some study, is that the -fuse-ld patch was never accepted into gcc .. i don't really want to do another complete rebuild to see if it works in ubuntu x64 Sep 08 23:17:44 i wonder if adding a test to see if /usr/bin/ld.gold actually exists first would be sufficient Sep 08 23:19:49 LarrySteeze|Away: Testing page has been updated-- http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing Sep 08 23:20:13 * lagoldste snerks Sep 08 23:21:06 oh wait- that probably wasn't a pun... Sep 08 23:22:04 * ShiftyAxel stares on in confusion Sep 08 23:22:20 * EricBlade does too Sep 08 23:23:11 ld.gold is close enough to my nick that my eyeballs bounced Sep 08 23:24:16 ~kvn Sep 08 23:24:16 * WoceBot Danger! Danger! Will Robinson! Sep 08 23:31:22 /usr/bin/lagoldste ? Sep 08 23:33:36 blah. so, the compilation aborted because i had to patch the newly downloaded luna-sysmgr, and when i restarted it, it re-ran a bunch of the compile steps, and rebuilt qt with the bad options Sep 08 23:33:37 arrrrgh Sep 08 23:36:49 EricBlade: that and yku Sep 08 23:36:53 b,eh Sep 08 23:38:36 that and your comment appeared on my TP after my update announcement (reverse of what's in the logs) Sep 08 23:56:16 pc-world: it looks like it should be possible to remove that part of the patch, with no ill effect, but overall, it would probably be better for the qt build process to determine if that switch is available and use it or not. Sep 08 23:57:24 the -fuse-ld= parameter appears to be specific to Debian/Ubuntu, and on other systems it is normally configured by setting your linker to the gold binary instead of telling gcc to use that particular binary for that particular process Sep 09 00:46:50 I'm trying to build lunace pulled from the features branch. where is the make file? Sep 09 00:55:19 k4ever: use woce-build Sep 09 02:38:41 morning channel Sep 09 02:39:06 good evening Sep 09 02:39:29 hi Garrett Sep 09 02:39:43 heya Sep 09 02:40:03 morning Sep 09 02:40:58 hi panda Sep 09 02:43:36 hmm, the owo needs every commit containing a signoff, i will re-commit then open a new pull request:-/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 09 02:59:58 2012