**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 09 02:59:59 2012
Sep 09 10:06:38 * EricBlade returns home, the 64-bit build was successful *cheers for panda-z again*
Sep 09 10:07:04 <panda-z> EricBlade: sweet :-D
Sep 09 10:07:04 <EricBlade> and tomorrow, i'll see if it actually runs .. bbl
Sep 09 10:08:01 <EricBlade> panda-z: i've really got to get some sleep, but tomorrow i'm going to see if i can make something that works a little .. uh.. better? than the existing build_qt4 function.. i think
Sep 09 10:08:30 <panda-z> EricBlade: nn
Sep 09 10:09:29 <EricBlade> maybe see if i can figure out a way to get the qt build to determine if it can use the -fuse-ld option, and see about being a little more intelligent in the whole qt4 build process
Sep 09 10:10:42 <panda-z> iirc, the non-debian/ubuntu distros do not have the -fuse-ld option
Sep 09 10:11:51 <panda-z> i don't know if the ubuntu could build w/o the -fuse-ld and run successfully
Sep 09 14:55:37 <Grabber-emu> morning
Sep 09 14:56:33 <EricBlade> panda-z: yes ubuntu builds fine without the gold ld, apparently the purpose for gold is that it is much faster to link qt than the stock ld
Sep 09 14:57:07 <EricBlade> panda-z: do you have the current desktop build up to date in x64?
Sep 09 15:01:49 <panda-z> EricBlade: yes
Sep 09 15:02:18 <EricBlade> browser work?
Sep 09 15:02:54 <panda-z> no, it crashes
Sep 09 15:03:17 <EricBlade> for comparison do you have the x86 ver working?
Sep 09 15:04:07 <panda-z> EricBlade: i don't have x86 version, maybe you should ask someone else.
Sep 09 15:04:12 <ShiftyAxel> EricBlade: browser is still broken on x86
Sep 09 15:04:25 <ShiftyAxel> opens and displays a 'missing plugin' symbol when you try to load a webpage
Sep 09 15:04:29 <EricBlade> ShiftyAxel: displays window, then crashes?
Sep 09 15:04:34 <panda-z> the crash message is You forgot to call g_type_init()
Sep 09 15:04:40 <ShiftyAxel> naw, works fine as a window
Sep 09 15:04:48 <ShiftyAxel> just doesn't work
Sep 09 15:05:02 <EricBlade> panda-z: looks like we're running into some 64-bit issues somewhere then
Sep 09 15:06:18 <EricBlade> that's also the same error that i get when synergv 1 crashes, except it doesn't get to displaying the window first
Sep 09 15:06:25 <panda-z> EricBlade: maybe, i have no idea right now.
Sep 09 15:14:17 <EricBlade> wonder if there's some way to seperate the compiler warning output from all the other output in the script .. hmm.
Sep 09 15:16:22 <panda-z> EricBlade: ./run-luna-sysmgr.sh -q
Sep 09 15:16:44 <panda-z> EricBlade: then tail -f /tmp/webos/LunaSysMgr.log
Sep 09 15:16:59 <EricBlade> when building .. some redirection mysticism
Sep 09 15:20:13 <panda-z> k, i misunderstand you
Sep 09 15:20:16 <Grabber-emu> when you say output in the script, are you are talking about the .sh script?
Sep 09 15:20:40 <EricBlade> yes from build-webos-desktop.sh
Sep 09 15:20:47 <Grabber-emu> (not familiar at all with the build eng, so prob will ask dumb questions)
Sep 09 15:21:34 <Grabber-emu> is it a mix of echo statements and general health from other commands?
Sep 09 15:21:51 <panda-z> can convert all warnings to errors...hmm?
Sep 09 15:21:52 <Grabber-emu> I have to say, wIRC in the emulator is much nicer than the browser interface :D
Sep 09 15:22:58 <EricBlade> i wonder if warnings/errors go to stderr or stdout
Sep 09 15:23:26 <Grabber-emu> been a long while since I compiled anything on 'nix
Sep 09 15:23:36 <Grabber-emu> I'd kind of expect it to be in stderr
Sep 09 15:24:05 <EricBlade> you'd think having been using gcc for, oh, 24 years or so, i'd actually know basic stuff like that. heh
Sep 09 15:24:09 <Grabber-emu> :)
Sep 09 15:24:29 <Grabber-emu> call the script and redirect 2 to a separate file and see what happens
Sep 09 15:24:35 <Grabber-emu> then tail that ifle
Sep 09 15:24:56 <Grabber-emu> s/ifle/file
Sep 09 15:29:45 <EricBlade> yea. right now i'm doing a 32-bit build, though, so .. i'll try that later.
Sep 09 15:33:21 <Grabber-emu> tell me, why did I just go through the trouble of figuring out the parms and correct port to scp a file from the emulator to my pc instead of firing up webOSQuickInstall? :|
Sep 09 15:34:04 <Grabber-emu> =command-line-junkie
Sep 09 15:36:42 <panda-z> bed time, nn all
Sep 09 15:36:53 <Grabber-emu> night panda-z
Sep 09 16:09:23 <pc-world> PSA: do not feed the trolls! :D
Sep 09 16:09:32 <Grabber-emu> huh?
Sep 09 16:10:07 <Grabber-emu> referring to my comment on the PC article about LunaCE?
Sep 09 16:13:29 <pc-world> no, not at all
Sep 09 16:14:13 * ShiftyAxel approves highly of Grabber-emu and GeekPeter's replies
Sep 09 16:15:38 <Grabber-emu> :)
Sep 09 16:15:45 <EricBlade> hmm?
Sep 09 16:15:49 <GeekPeter> it wasnt me, i didnt do it, im innocent...
Sep 09 16:15:51 <GeekPeter> ?
Sep 09 16:16:45 <ShiftyAxel> on the latest LunaCE article :P
Sep 09 16:16:48 <ShiftyAxel> Take it. Leave it.
Sep 09 16:17:08 <GeekPeter> ah that part, with u now
Sep 09 16:17:18 <ShiftyAxel> though the person saying 'I expect Luna CE on my Pre2 within two months' seems… expectant
Sep 09 16:17:32 * ShiftyAxel is so tempted to reply 'Pull Request?'
Sep 09 16:17:36 <Grabber-emu> heh :)
Sep 09 16:17:38 <GeekPeter> did seem weird some reply as if their forced to put it in then seem hard done by when they encounter anything they disapprove of
Sep 09 16:18:58 <ShiftyAxel> yeah, I can understand the temptation since it's the first proper set of updates in months
Sep 09 16:19:11 <ShiftyAxel> but it's beta software, we've made that clear
Sep 09 16:19:39 <GeekPeter> yeah its not liek its installed by accident tho, they MUST know that
Sep 09 16:20:30 <Grabber-emu> I was feeling annoyed, so I let it fly
Sep 09 16:20:39 <GeekPeter> it was the same a while back when the kernel variants had their beta/alpha status forum threads pulled due to pretty dumb replies of "its not working right, this sucks" etc
Sep 09 16:21:45 <pc-world> ""perpetual beta" is not what I want. I want a stable, reliable product, because I rely on it."
Sep 09 16:21:54 <pc-world> lol why do we have so many trolls on PreCentral?
Sep 09 16:22:38 <GeekPeter> that was the moer extreme reply i saw that made me post there
Sep 09 16:22:57 <GeekPeter> originally i was going to reply "are you fucking kidding me?" but reworded it with some diplomacy
Sep 09 16:23:11 <Grabber-emu> me too (I edited my post to make *sure* you knew I wasn't replying to you)
Sep 09 16:23:21 <Grabber-emu> LOL
Sep 09 16:23:21 <GeekPeter> heh
Sep 09 16:23:27 <GeekPeter> im thick skinned neways
Sep 09 16:23:36 <GeekPeter> or dumb, i forget which, both useful tho
Sep 09 16:23:44 <Grabber-emu> I am most of the time
Sep 09 16:24:00 <Grabber-emu> thick skinned that is.. I suppose both are true at times :P
Sep 09 16:24:09 <GeekPeter> :)
Sep 09 16:25:22 <pc-world> another dumbass on PreCentral argues my Facebook chat app sent spam to his friends... -.- and he states I wouldn't have replied to his e-mail, although I responded twice
Sep 09 16:26:08 <Grabber-emu> nice
Sep 09 16:26:15 <Grabber-emu> that's in the app cat right?
Sep 09 16:26:19 <GeekPeter> its likely why id never consider a job dealign with public relations, id just end every call deeply soaked in sarcasm
Sep 09 16:26:55 <Grabber-emu> I have to bite my tongue a lot at work when dealing with the business on projects
Sep 09 16:27:18 <GeekPeter> gz to those who can and do manage well :D
Sep 09 16:29:03 <Grabber-emu> is the top bar search icon a stock webOS icon?  I need one for KeyringHD
Sep 09 16:29:16 <ShiftyAxel> yeah, it is
Sep 09 16:29:25 <ShiftyAxel> it's the Just Type icon scaled down a bit
Sep 09 16:30:52 <LarrySteeze> ~OT
Sep 09 16:30:53 <WoceBot> [ot] Off topic conversation is welcome in #webos-offtopic! However, please keep all chatter in this channel as on topic as possible.
Sep 09 16:32:19 <pc-world> ~say but... but.... #webos-ports is so empty! :P
Sep 09 16:32:19 <WoceBot> pc-world: what are you talking about?
Sep 09 16:32:30 <pc-world> WoceBot: you being dumb...
Sep 09 16:32:50 <pc-world> * #webos-offtopic, sry ^^
Sep 09 16:34:14 <ShiftyAxel> ~bluen pc-world
Sep 09 16:34:14 * WoceBot points pc-world at webos-offtopic
Sep 09 16:35:43 <pc-world> lol "~bluen"?
Sep 09 16:35:43 <pc-world> ~say LarrySteeze told me I should make WoceBot say something again...?
Sep 09 16:36:06 <ShiftyAxel> ya "~bluen"
Sep 09 16:36:16 <ShiftyAxel> there's a ~shiftyaxel and a ~larrysteeze too
Sep 09 16:37:46 <pc-world> "It is true that the wave launcher should have been an alpha rather than a beta."
Sep 09 16:37:46 <pc-world> I still think new features should go into an alpha branch before merging it into features (=the beta branch) - any ideas?
Sep 09 16:38:13 <LarrySteeze> pc-world: it's already been discussed and will be happening from here on out
Sep 09 16:38:28 <ShiftyAxel> ayup
Sep 09 16:39:05 <pc-world> that's great... so the alpha feed will be used again?
Sep 09 16:39:18 <Grabber-emu> translated: Rod smacked them around ;)
Sep 09 16:39:39 <Grabber-emu> I kid! :)
Sep 09 16:39:41 <pc-world> hehe lol
Sep 09 16:40:41 <pc-world> it might be more clearly to rename "features" into "beta" and "experimental" into alpha
Sep 09 16:47:35 <ShiftyAxel> pc-world: that's not a bad idea
Sep 09 17:34:43 <LarrySteeze> lsusb
Sep 09 17:34:47 <LarrySteeze> lsusb
Sep 09 17:34:54 <LarrySteeze> lsusb
Sep 09 17:35:06 <LarrySteeze> iwconfig
Sep 09 17:35:08 <LarrySteeze> lsusb
Sep 09 17:35:36 <LarrySteeze> lsusb -v
Sep 09 17:36:03 <LarrySteeze> woah, how did my keyboard pair with this machine O.o
Sep 09 17:42:41 <pc-world> lool
Sep 09 17:43:10 <pc-world> reminds me when someone posted his PC's account password here in the channel :D (or another webOS channel)
Sep 09 17:55:38 <LarrySteeze> pc-world: my keyboard randomly switched which machine it was paired with...strangely, it has *never* been paired with this machine, it's a laptop.
Sep 09 17:56:02 <LarrySteeze> unless I had maybe paired it with this one once just to control it while connected to the tv
Sep 09 17:56:06 <pc-world> LarrySteeze: physical keyboard/monitor switch, or Synergy?
Sep 09 17:56:28 <LarrySteeze> bluetooth
Sep 09 17:56:36 <pc-world> ahh
Sep 09 17:56:41 <pc-world> good that I don't use BT keyboards...
Sep 09 17:57:10 <LarrySteeze> I don't generally either
Sep 09 17:57:16 <LarrySteeze> but I have one and it was convenient
Sep 09 17:57:49 <pc-world> I'm even too paranoid to use wireless headphones
Sep 09 18:00:45 <LarrySteeze> paranoid of?
Sep 09 18:04:06 <pc-world> don't know... neighbours listening to the same music/films that I am? :D (not that they would care...)
Sep 09 18:04:29 <LarrySteeze> you put too much stock in your neighbors technical know-how
Sep 09 18:51:10 <ShiftyAxel> way too much stock
Sep 09 18:56:29 <pc-world> haha... probably - most of them are probably between 50 and 90 :D
Sep 09 18:58:19 <ShiftyAxel> iq?
Sep 09 20:56:04 <EricBlade> anyone else with desktop owos built awake?
Sep 09 20:56:11 <EricBlade> current ver
Sep 09 20:56:18 <Caleb> what?
Sep 09 20:57:26 <EricBlade> hmm?
Sep 09 20:57:32 <Caleb> owos?
Sep 09 20:57:39 <PatrickC> open webOS
Sep 09 20:57:56 <Caleb> ahh
Sep 09 20:58:03 <Caleb> someone built it for the touchpad
Sep 09 20:58:09 <Caleb> i thought it wasnt supported
Sep 09 20:58:18 <EricBlade> no
Sep 09 20:58:27 <EricBlade> desktop
Sep 09 20:58:31 <Caleb> oh oh
Sep 09 20:58:32 <Caleb> got ya
Sep 09 20:58:34 <Caleb> my bad
Sep 09 20:58:53 <ShiftyAxel> EricBlade: hello, sup?
Sep 09 20:59:19 <EricBlade> curious if you could tell me if attempting to use the clear cookies or clear cache buttons in browser app crashed
Sep 09 21:00:06 <EricBlade> hmm. my ubuntu has a process running called "telepathy-indicator" .. neat! it can tell if i'm telepathetic!
Sep 09 21:04:49 <wrea> EricBlade, thats interesting
Sep 09 21:05:15 <EricBlade> wrea: i would figure it would require special telepathy detection hardware, but whatevs
Sep 09 21:05:25 <wrea> :P
Sep 09 21:05:45 <wrea> Makes me wonder if they're overhauling messeging
Sep 09 21:06:06 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: i think thanks for the telepathy... which is a SIP client iirc?
Sep 09 21:06:46 <wrea> invalidopcode, its an overall messeging framework
Sep 09 21:07:00 <invalidopcode> ahhh okay
Sep 09 21:07:20 <invalidopcode> hey guys, we should get open webos running on a raspberry pi :P
Sep 09 21:07:52 * invalidopcode says sarcastically 
Sep 09 21:08:12 <ShiftyAxel> EricBlade: I'll boot the VM and take a look
Sep 09 21:28:23 <EricBlade> i wonder if "** (BrowserServer:13929): WARNING **: Unable to initialize plugin directory watcher" has anything to do with the broken browser
Sep 09 21:34:27 <EricBlade> so, it looks like it's possible to debug these sorts of crashes
Sep 09 21:34:49 <EricBlade> by noting the process number of the second LunaSysMgr instance, and running gdb as root, then attaching to that process with "attach pid"
Sep 09 21:37:13 <EricBlade> problem being that according to gdb, the crash is coming from WebCore::PalmServiceBridge::serviceResponse() from libQtWebKit.so.4 ..
Sep 09 21:38:18 <ShiftyAxel> EricBlade: clear cache crashes for me
Sep 09 21:38:42 * dtzWill swings by with a "Hip! Hip! Hooray!" for everyone doing all the wonderful things I'm reading about/seeing posted to github :3 :D
Sep 09 21:38:47 <ShiftyAxel> same with cookies, both on confirmation
Sep 09 21:38:54 <ShiftyAxel> howdy dtzWill
Sep 09 21:39:01 <dtzWill> ShiftyAxel: howdy! :)
Sep 09 21:54:14 <EricBlade> thanks ShiftyAxel
Sep 09 21:54:22 <ShiftyAxel> no worries
Sep 09 22:21:08 <EricBlade> anyone know how to get desktop build to rebuild lsm? removing the stamp file doesn't do it
Sep 09 22:23:09 <EricBlade> i'm about to give up on incremental building even being possible using this system. argh
Sep 09 23:48:18 <ShiftyAxel> yeah, i think we may need to wait for a better build env
Sep 10 00:32:20 <ShiftyAxel> lol, PIC is showing off a maps app
Sep 10 00:32:40 <ShiftyAxel> on the twitters
Sep 10 00:33:19 <ShiftyAxel> my response: well done! n
Sep 10 00:33:40 <ShiftyAxel> *so what do you plan to run this on at release?
Sep 10 00:36:04 <destinal> lol
Sep 10 00:36:35 <destinal> I thought that they were working on getting stuff on devices rather than map applications
Sep 10 00:37:20 <ShiftyAxel> ya, that's what I thought
Sep 10 00:37:26 <ShiftyAxel> hence, sarcastic tweeting :D
Sep 10 00:38:31 <Grabber-emu> PIC?
Sep 10 00:39:30 <ShiftyAxel> Grabber-emu: yeah
Sep 10 00:39:52 <ShiftyAxel> Phoenix International Communications, the enigmatic/vaporware (depending on your POV) webOS 'hardware' group
Sep 10 00:40:07 <LarrySteeze> careful
Sep 10 00:40:35 <ShiftyAxel> did the men in suits and shades notice me?
Sep 10 00:42:18 <Grabber-emu> I wondered if that's what you were talking about it but I couldn't find it
Sep 10 00:42:36 <ShiftyAxel> their site was down last time I checked
Sep 10 00:47:42 <Grabber-emu> well ignoring dinner so I can write code has reached its limit.. gotta go eat
Sep 10 00:48:00 <Grabber-emu> catch you later
Sep 10 00:52:39 <EricBlade> argh. i hope they really do have a better build system in the works.  i hope this wasn't the "better build system" they were talking about.
Sep 10 00:53:41 <LarrySteeze> EricBlade: pardon the offtopic conversation, but congrats on tonight
Sep 10 00:54:07 <EricBlade> LarrySteeze: ?
Sep 10 00:54:45 <LarrySteeze> vs the rams
Sep 10 00:55:05 <LarrySteeze> I'm telling you, kevin smith is gearing up for a beast year
Sep 10 00:55:13 <EricBlade> yeah i woke up and checked the score and was surprised there was a W
Sep 10 00:55:22 <ShiftyAxel> you guys talking about NFL?
Sep 10 00:55:43 <LarrySteeze> yeah. I should be talking about it in -offtopic, but EricBlade isn't there :(
Sep 10 00:55:48 * ShiftyAxel is for some reason watching NFL on late-night TV
Sep 10 00:56:19 <EricBlade> it's always been my policy to bet against the Lions, but I may have to change that.
Sep 10 00:56:32 <LarrySteeze> EricBlade: join -offtopic :D
Sep 10 00:57:06 <fxspec06> you guys have nothing on me.
Sep 10 00:57:08 * fxspec06 sports king
Sep 10 01:02:26 <EricBlade> jeezus. "ddd" is supposed to be the best of the GUI debuggers for linux .. we had better GUI debuggers in the 80's.
Sep 10 01:02:30 <EricBlade> in DOS.
Sep 10 01:03:02 <ShiftyAxel> but did you have 'sudo apt-get install moo'?
Sep 10 01:03:15 <ShiftyAxel> fair exchange
Sep 10 01:08:51 <EricBlade> there's no "moo" package
Sep 10 01:09:48 <ShiftyAxel> maybe it's apt-get moo...
Sep 10 01:09:55 <ShiftyAxel> either way, it prints an ascii cow to your terminal
Sep 10 01:25:48 <HaDAk> apt-get has super cow powers.
Sep 10 01:26:52 <PatrickC> apt-get is amazing
Sep 10 01:41:45 <LarrySteeze> PatrickC: you don't even know sudo rm -rf ~/ yet, do you
Sep 10 01:42:01 <PatrickC> LarrySteeze: yeah i do :P
Sep 10 01:42:06 <PatrickC> deletes the whole home dir
Sep 10 01:42:20 <LarrySteeze> actually, that's dangerous...anyone that doesn't know what it does, please do not test it
Sep 10 01:43:09 <PatrickC> i wont :)
Sep 10 01:43:23 <PatrickC> it deleted everything in the home dir, including config files, right?
Sep 10 01:43:29 <PatrickC> deletes*
Sep 10 01:43:44 <fxspec06> it deletes everything, period.....
Sep 10 01:43:54 <PatrickC> ~ is the home dir though...
Sep 10 01:43:56 * PatrickC is confused lol
Sep 10 01:44:30 <ShiftyAxel> actually the one LarrySteeze suggested only deletes the homedir
Sep 10 01:44:37 <ShiftyAxel> sudo rm -rf / would delete everything
Sep 10 01:44:38 <PatrickC> that's what i thought
Sep 10 01:44:57 <PatrickC> hows it goin ShiftyAxel?
Sep 10 01:44:58 <LarrySteeze> correct
Sep 10 01:45:19 <ShiftyAxel> PatrickC: not bad, no new LunaCE news today
Sep 10 01:45:28 <PatrickC> but still bad as it deletes config directories/files
Sep 10 01:45:32 <PatrickC> ShiftyAxel: :/
Sep 10 01:45:34 <PatrickC> lol
Sep 10 01:45:38 <PatrickC> if only i knew C
Sep 10 01:45:55 <ShiftyAxel> deal with it, new software isn't a right ;)
Sep 10 01:46:10 <ShiftyAxel> aye, if only we had more programmers
Sep 10 01:46:16 <fxspec06> LarrySteeze: when's our next boston "meetup"
Sep 10 01:46:29 <fxspec06> i'm gonna want a break from school soon, i've decided
Sep 10 01:46:37 <LarrySteeze> fxspec06: put one together
Sep 10 01:46:46 <LarrySteeze> I'm slammed
Sep 10 01:47:04 <fxspec06> me too, atm. couple weeks i'll have a pattern, and things will settle down
Sep 10 01:47:14 <PatrickC> LarrySteeze: when's the next Nashville "meetup"... i'm gonna want to go to something where i can learn something from a dev like you :)
Sep 10 01:47:17 <PatrickC> you should come visit :P
Sep 10 01:47:37 <LarrySteeze> you'd learn more from fxspec06 than me
Sep 10 01:48:02 <PatrickC> fxspec06 would mainly well at me about how stupid i was for doing something i wasn't suppose to :P
Sep 10 01:48:13 <fxspec06> i'm a horrible teacher. that's actually what i'd probably do
Sep 10 01:49:56 <fxspec06> not to mention nashville is kind of a long walk
Sep 10 01:50:18 <PatrickC> lol
Sep 10 01:52:24 * EricBlade-TP arrives
Sep 10 01:52:34 * PatrickC leaves
Sep 10 01:55:57 <EricBlade-TP> so I was thinking since it seems to be crashing somewhere around flashplayer init when run on x64, maybe there are separate x86 and x64 flashplayer libs that should be connected to somehow or other
Sep 10 01:57:11 <EricBlade-TP> but of course I had to leave before investigating that pssibility
Sep 10 01:58:18 * HaDAk gets disgusted at EricBlade-TP's incompetitence and storms off, slamming the door behind him
Sep 10 01:58:47 * HaDAk is actually too nice to do that.
Sep 10 01:58:59 * HaDAk actually isn't disgusted at EricBlade-TP's incompetitence at all.
Sep 10 01:59:06 * HaDAk hums to himself
Sep 10 01:59:34 * EricBlade-TP thinks hadak needs autocorrect :-)
Sep 10 01:59:37 * ShiftyAxel dodges a tumbleweed
Sep 10 01:59:47 * HaDAk really does
Sep 10 02:00:34 * fxspec06 puts on a disguise
Sep 10 02:00:54 * HaDAk puts on his robe and wizard hat
Sep 10 02:01:59 * ShiftyAxel casts lightning bolt on the glowing red eyes
Sep 10 02:03:10 * fxspec06 realizing he'd been given up, rapidly changes disguises
Sep 10 02:03:54 <fxspec06> c-c-c-combo breaker! good night all, gl EricBlade
Sep 10 02:04:38 * ShiftyAxel flawless victory
Sep 10 02:05:45 * HaDAk emotes!
Sep 10 02:06:13 <destinal> EricBlade-TP: the previous build system really was much worse, is my impression, so maybe this is the better one :)
Sep 10 02:06:29 <PatrickC> hey destinal!
Sep 10 02:06:41 <destinal> PatrickC: hey there
Sep 10 02:06:47 <PatrickC> long time no see
Sep 10 02:07:07 <EricBlade-TP> destinal: I hope there's something better in the works, if not, this is gonna be really hard to work with :-S
Sep 10 02:08:48 <destinal> EricBlade-TP: so what are you working on, some issue with flash?
Sep 10 02:10:52 <EricBlade-TP> destinal: well, I was trying to see if I could get a handle on a few different things.. but it all ended with not being able to rebuild code without rebuilding huge parts
Sep 10 02:11:29 <EricBlade-TP> first, trying to figure out why the browser isn't displaying anything normally, just a plugin symbol
Sep 10 02:12:05 <destinal> EricBlade-TP: yeah I have noticed that on mine as well.  I think the browser adapter plugin has some hard coded paths and there's nothing there, which may be part of it
Sep 10 02:12:20 <EricBlade-TP> second, trying to figure out why the browser crashes instantly after load, when run in x64
Sep 10 02:12:22 <destinal> there's not a lot of good error messages being generated
Sep 10 02:13:42 * destinal goes to read the code
Sep 10 02:13:43 <EricBlade-TP> destinal: browserServer pops off a message about the plugins, but I couldn't either rebuild the code, or use a debugger, to see what path it was searching, to see if putting something there would solve it
Sep 10 02:15:49 <ShiftyAxel> bedtime, nn all
Sep 10 02:15:52 <destinal> I see NPP initialize stuff happening
Sep 10 02:17:07 <EricBlade-TP> yeah, the operating system's plugins initialize
Sep 10 02:17:34 <EricBlade-TP> that's where it blows up when I run the browser in x64
Sep 10 02:18:08 <panda-z> EricBlade-TP: sometimes the browser do not crash instantly after launch, but it crashes after i input some url and hit enter.
Sep 10 02:18:26 <EricBlade-TP> panda-z: did you get the email I sent?
Sep 10 02:19:46 <panda-z> EricBlade-TP: yeah, you got the backtrace using gdb?
Sep 10 02:21:35 <EricBlade-TP> panda-z: yes. I discovered you can attach gdb to the second lunasysmgr instance and get a trace on it, when it crashes with WebAppMgrProxy disconnect
Sep 10 02:22:00 <panda-z> EricBlade-TP: if you want to rebuild some components, just remove the luna-desktop-build.stamp in ~/luna-desktop-binaries/$BUILDDIR/
Sep 10 02:24:56 <EricBlade-TP> panda-z: doesn't work for Luna-sysmgr , also wasn't able to even locate the browserserver source .. had to leave before a full search was complete though
Sep 10 02:25:41 <panda-z> i noticed the log of BrowserServer is empty, weird
Sep 10 02:29:32 <panda-z> EricBlade-TP: every time you run build-webos-desktop.sh it will rebuild luna-sysmgr...
Sep 10 02:30:16 <EricBlade-TP> I don't get that behavior
Sep 10 02:30:20 <panda-z> EricBlade-TP: and how do you use the gdb bt? sorry i'm new to this :-(
Sep 10 02:31:10 <EricBlade-TP> about as much as I can say is that the top is where it crashed, and the bottom was the start of the executing code
Sep 10 02:38:15 <EricBlade-TP> it was a rather long trace
Sep 10 02:38:58 * panda-z also wants to trace the LunaSysMgr but don't know the exact steps. Maybe EricBlade-TP could help him.
Sep 10 02:39:13 <EricBlade-TP> I need to get my splashtop reconfigured so I can use it from work too
Sep 10 02:39:17 <EricBlade-TP> sure
Sep 10 02:39:28 <EricBlade-TP> if you're trying to trace the webappmgrproxy
Sep 10 02:39:49 <EricBlade-TP> run ps ax and note the process id of the second lunasysmgr
Sep 10 02:40:01 <EricBlade-TP> then run gdb
Sep 10 02:40:17 <EricBlade-TP> and tell it:attach (pid)
Sep 10 02:40:59 <EricBlade-TP> it will attach and break execution right there.  you might want to google for gdb cheat sheet
Sep 10 02:41:11 <EricBlade-TP> for a quick rundown on useful commands
Sep 10 02:41:42 <panda-z> yeah, that helps me a lot.
Sep 10 02:42:53 <EricBlade-TP> that's quite possibly a huge help. more so if theentire system were built with full debugging symbols
Sep 10 02:47:04 * panda-z is trying to find out some useful debug information
Sep 10 02:52:33 <EricBlade-TP>  on lunace 4.9.0 I can't input into phone apps
Sep 10 02:54:36 <EricBlade-TP> ok it eventually took. weird as heck
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