**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 10 02:59:59 2012 Sep 10 03:00:03 EricBlade-TP: after i attach the pid, i can't launch browser:-( Sep 10 03:04:18 afk Sep 10 03:37:47 panda-z: run the continue command in the debugger Sep 10 03:38:07 thedebugger attaches and breaks right away Sep 10 03:41:34 EricBlade-TP: the backtrace is same with yours Sep 10 03:41:50 it crashs in gdk_pixbuf_new_from_data() Sep 10 03:43:02 so somewhere either that function is bugged or we're feeding it bad data, is my guess Sep 10 03:48:09 but most of that backtrace is missing full debug info Sep 10 03:48:23 EricBlade-TP: and i saw the libflashplayer.so in the bt, maybe the loading of flashplugin leads to the browser crash Sep 10 03:50:13 yeah wanted to check to see if that file was maybe a 32bit version or something.. I'm not sure if that would even work in linux though Sep 10 03:51:14 I was also wondering if there was some plugin that is used normally in webOS to render regular html, causingthe browser to not work in x86 right now Sep 10 03:51:37 EricBlade-TP: it is purely 64-bit shared object Sep 10 03:53:53 hmmm Sep 10 03:58:49 i have an idea. Sep 10 04:00:43 will try and report later Sep 10 04:07:16 panda-z: ? Sep 10 04:08:46 EricBlade-TP: trying to rebuild qt4 with some new patch Sep 10 04:38:31 hey RagingMind Sep 10 04:50:21 seems not working :-( Sep 10 05:05:15 :-( Sep 10 06:32:25 so, i'm trying to get the browserserver to rebuild.. and it does actually rebuild it.. but it still uses the old executeable. argh. Sep 10 06:33:54 EricBlade: try to run the install script again Sep 10 06:34:07 install doesn't seem to be the one that does it Sep 10 06:37:29 and although the makefile specifically states it should be built using the Debug options, it's built with full optimization instead. sigh. Sep 10 06:37:41 what's the difference between WebKit and the 3rdparty webkit in qt4? Sep 10 06:39:51 I think we build the Isis webkit into it rather than the webkit it comes with. I could be totally wrong though Sep 10 06:40:33 this is for OW or LunaCE? Sep 10 06:42:15 the isis-browser is using WebKit right? Sep 10 06:48:27 i'm not exactly sure how the relationship between webkit and isis and luna works exactly. Sep 10 06:50:33 * panda-z thinks he have located the code. Sep 10 06:52:53 qt-webkit Sep 10 06:58:58 ok, the binary that it's running claims to be a binary recently built Sep 10 07:00:45 ...and it's replacing the source code every time i give the build command Sep 10 07:02:47 Is there a page dedicated to LunaCE features? I just installed it and I can't tell what the differences are (save for the title on the upper lefthand corner) nor how to access them Sep 10 07:02:59 richip: use the Tweaks application Sep 10 07:04:35 ok, so, to be able to modify BrowserServer .. i need to remove the fetch line in build_BrowserServer .. and then edit the source in luna-desktop-binaries/BrowserServer .. no matter what source directory I tell it to actually use, because it won't use it. Sep 10 07:04:56 Is there a way to disable isis-browser from loading flashplugin? Sep 10 07:10:21 no clue. perhaps move it somewhere else temporarily ? Sep 10 07:16:41 * panda-z removes flashplugin and the browser don't crash any more! Sep 10 07:17:16 is 'muffle system logging' patch compatible with LunaCE? Sep 10 07:17:29 EricBlade: ping Sep 10 07:17:44 LunohoD: doesn't have anything to do with it Sep 10 07:17:51 panda-z: howdy Sep 10 07:18:09 the crash is caused by flashplugin Sep 10 07:18:15 EricBlade: ok, i'll install it again then Sep 10 07:18:40 but the 'buttah' is obsolete now, right? Sep 10 07:19:32 no idea on that one Sep 10 07:21:06 i'm giving up on trying to figure out what the hell directory the BrowserServer is trying to watch on. I can't debug it, I can't build it with debug symbols, and I can't get it to build the right source code -and- use it Sep 10 07:25:23 EricBlade: now it looks like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/av76u1qk14cybjq/2012-09-10_152014_scrot.png Sep 10 07:26:02 that's exactly what it looks like in 32bit Sep 10 07:33:22 EricBlade: Someone reported this bug is caused by the new flash player ( version >= 10.1 ) Sep 10 07:34:41 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=241702#c3 Sep 10 07:37:19 panda-z: that's over 2 years old o.O Sep 10 07:39:21 ok, i'm going to bed. hopefully i'll hear about that job offer tomorrow Sep 10 07:42:14 EricBlade: nn Sep 10 08:24:28 hi all Sep 10 08:24:53 * MahRain is on wIRC, Touchpad, LunaCE 4.9.0 Sep 10 08:25:17 great work, guys! Sep 10 08:25:54 thanks a lot Sep 10 08:27:26 one question, what is the Isis browser, how does this relate to qtwebkit and is this going to improve the webOS browsing experience? Sep 10 13:31:46 Mornin Sep 10 13:37:36 morning? oh crap it is Sep 10 13:37:36 morning HaDAk|work Sep 10 13:37:52 it's ALWAYS morning here Sep 10 13:38:22 Mornin Sep 10 13:46:33 ~ugt Sep 10 13:46:33 i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Sep 10 13:51:15 got my first email this morning about somebody installing my patch and it destroying his mail client. hmm. Sep 10 13:51:32 working with him to recover. enough testing has been done that this shouldn't have happened. i'm guessing he had another patch installed. Sep 10 13:51:34 HaDAk|work: welcome to the wonderful world of user support Sep 10 13:51:52 ShiftyAxel: yeah, it happens. it's easy enough to recover from. i'm more curious as to what caused it. Sep 10 13:52:15 hmm, preware should have refused to install it if his mail client was pre-patched Sep 10 13:52:17 lol Sep 10 13:52:19 he says the whole app was a white page. i saw this during testing. javascript errors. Sep 10 13:52:23 and your diff didn't look destroy-y Sep 10 13:52:33 well, it wasn't. i patched mine. many times. Sep 10 13:52:43 i'm wondering if maybe he had a different version of the mail app? Sep 10 13:52:50 anyone have a stock 3.0.5? not webos doctored? Sep 10 13:54:10 lol, does one of those even exist anymore? XD Sep 10 13:54:18 i don't know! lol Sep 10 13:54:32 lol. My Touchpad has been Doctored many times Sep 10 13:54:56 mine is stock Sep 10 13:55:06 ...so far :o) Sep 10 13:55:07 o.o Sep 10 13:55:14 mine is stock too Sep 10 13:55:23 one of you guys wanna test the patch? Sep 10 13:55:30 i'm here to help recover if it blows up :) Sep 10 13:55:34 Don't do what HaDAk says!! Sep 10 13:55:35 :P Sep 10 13:55:37 why should someone doctor his tp? Sep 10 13:55:45 has the guy tried to uninstall your patch HaDAk? Sep 10 13:55:54 he'll break it :P Sep 10 13:56:03 ShiftyAxel: yeah, he has. he said it didn't fix it. Sep 10 13:56:03 mine is at home, but would try it if i could... Sep 10 13:56:08 also did he luna restart afterward? Sep 10 13:56:09 Well, I have to doctor when I get too overzealous with code/ideas and break stuff. lol Sep 10 13:56:26 ShiftyAxel: it would force him to restart luna. unless he told it no. O_o Sep 10 13:56:40 hrm, not that then... Sep 10 13:58:58 EricBlade: "In the past, WhatsApp has been criticized over their insecure use of XMPP. Recently, new versions of their app have incorporated encryption. It seems the trouble isn't over yet for WhatsApp and its users. Sam Granger writes on his blog that WhatsApp is using IMEI numbers as passwords. This is at least the case with the Android app, but other platforms are probably using similar methods. Since someone's IMEI Sep 10 13:58:58 number is easily readable, this isn't really secret information that should be used for authentication." Sep 10 13:59:03 HaDAk|work: Can you get the user to download and use Lumberjack? Might be able to find the error with that... Sep 10 13:59:25 that's a good suggestion Sep 10 13:59:32 Garrett92C: i was going to have him send me the files i patched, and replace his entire mail app from the one in the doctor Sep 10 14:00:00 HaDAk|work: everyone who cares knows that WA is a pile of crap for security Sep 10 14:00:05 That's probably going to be the solution, but you won't find out what went wrong in the first place Sep 10 14:00:26 Garrett92C: maybe. if his files are different from mine, it might shed some light. Sep 10 14:00:30 HaDAk|work: you could get his mail app and diff it against your patched one, see if there are any potentially fatal differences Sep 10 14:00:39 my thoughts exactly Sep 10 14:00:47 True Sep 10 14:01:55 'diff -u ./originalappfolder ./modifiedappfolder' should work Sep 10 14:02:18 better "diff -burN ./originalappfolder ./modifiedappfolder" Sep 10 14:03:13 don't burn it! :O Sep 10 14:03:22 lol Sep 10 14:03:28 hey, lumberjack (just installed on my TP) doesn't seem to do jack. trying to follow logs, but nothing. Sep 10 14:03:31 so, there's that. Sep 10 14:03:51 HaDAk|work: it only outputs errors or higher iirc Sep 10 14:04:00 oh Sep 10 14:04:00 so you won't get anything unless it breaks Sep 10 14:04:13 I've had that happen sometimes where ti doesn't output anything. A reboot seems to fix Sep 10 14:04:17 oh, there we go Sep 10 14:04:19 either that or it -does- display messages, but the mail app doesn't have any logging Sep 10 14:04:24 i just told it to follow everything Sep 10 14:04:38 lol, readable Sep 10 14:04:48 HaDAk|work: in the app menu there's an option to change the log level, e.g. to "info" Sep 10 14:04:58 github is down Sep 10 14:05:01 i'm saddened that it's not HD Sep 10 14:05:38 ya, a TP-sized version would have been nice Sep 10 14:05:53 might autosize if you add 'uiRevision=2' to appinfo.json Sep 10 14:06:23 let's try that. Sep 10 14:07:11 faaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkk yooooooooooouuuuuuu github Sep 10 14:07:38 nuuuuuuu Sep 10 14:07:41 haha, ok, it's still early. where are the apps? XD Sep 10 14:07:58 /media/crptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications Sep 10 14:08:08 *cryptofs Sep 10 14:08:12 thanks Sep 10 14:08:29 Whoa, why does Github use the AOKP unicorn on error pages? Or is it the Github unicorn and AOKP just used it too? Sep 10 14:08:33 probably something like org.webosinternals.lumberjack Sep 10 14:09:37 i found it Sep 10 14:09:38 thanks Sep 10 14:09:52 oh yeah, AOKP unicorn… didn't twig that Sep 10 14:10:58 weird. i added that line, and the app disappeared. what did i break... Sep 10 14:11:17 oh Sep 10 14:11:19 missed a comma Sep 10 14:11:21 * HaDAk|work shakes his fist Sep 10 14:11:53 oversensitive JSON ftw! Sep 10 14:11:59 HaDAk|work: you'll also need to implement back buttons... Sep 10 14:12:19 haha, yeah. just noticed that. Sep 10 14:12:22 it DOES scale, though Sep 10 14:12:29 k, github is back. :) Sep 10 14:13:10 I wonder if I could steal code from the virtual gesture area and hook up a gesture to fire it... Sep 10 14:13:20 HaDAk|work: if you get it to work properly on fullscreen, please share that version :) Sep 10 14:13:29 ^^ Sep 10 14:13:37 i could probably do that. Sep 10 14:13:47 just need to figure out how back buttons work normally. Sep 10 14:14:50 HaDAk|work: grab the Preware ipk from ipkg.preware.org and look at the back buttons in there? Sep 10 14:15:00 not a bad idea. Sep 10 14:15:54 damn your robots.txt Sep 10 14:17:28 or look at it on-device with internalz, that might be faster Sep 10 14:18:04 i'm at work. i put in my resignation already. i'm ok with doing it the long way. Sep 10 14:18:08 github is blowwwwwwwwwwn up Sep 10 14:18:49 EricBlade: o_ô Sep 10 14:18:53 i can't find the lumberjack ipk :\ Sep 10 14:19:13 HaDAk|work: ipk? Sep 10 14:19:16 why ipk? Sep 10 14:19:20 HaDAk|work: lol, plenty of time Sep 10 14:19:31 eh. i guess i'll just copy the files themselves. Sep 10 14:19:45 best way to go if you're goanna be patching it imo Sep 10 14:19:50 yeah Sep 10 14:19:52 lol, I love how "debug my patch" turned into "add features to lumberjack" Sep 10 14:20:36 that was nice. i tapped the notification area to enable usb mode, and lunace crashed. Sep 10 14:20:40 who broke it? Sep 10 14:20:48 HaDAk|work: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.lumberjack_0.5.0_arm.ipk Sep 10 14:20:58 pc-world: thanks Sep 10 14:21:17 EricBlade: did you see my email reply? Sep 10 14:23:04 panda-z: yeah, i'm trying to have a look at it, but github is reporting .. As of September 10, 2012 @ 07:22AM PST Major service outage Sep 10 14:24:02 EricBlade: good luck! Sep 10 14:25:06 panda-z: whenever it comes back up, i've got a x64 branch for the webos qt build that should work without sed Sep 10 14:25:08 Github is SPOF Sep 10 14:25:45 * ka6sox-away goes back to Bear Skins and Stone Knives. Sep 10 14:27:04 EricBlade: the main part is isis-project/WebKit Sep 10 14:30:27 bed time, nn all Sep 10 14:32:20 // setup back tap Sep 10 14:32:21 this.backElement = this.controller.get('icon'); Sep 10 14:32:21 this.backTapHandler = this.backTap.bindAsEventListener(this); Sep 10 14:32:21 this.controller.listen(this.backElement, Mojo.Event.tap, this.backTapHandler); Sep 10 14:32:34 so, that works Sep 10 14:35:57 i don't know what it all means Sep 10 14:36:03 but *somebody* could use it to make a back button Sep 10 14:36:06 * HaDAk|work nudges EricBlade Sep 10 14:37:16 HaDAk|work: I believe it operates using sorcery Sep 10 14:37:49 DIY sorcery Sep 10 14:38:13 javascript IS sourcery Sep 10 14:38:17 sorcery Sep 10 14:38:20 hah. u. Sep 10 14:38:22 oh, me. Sep 10 14:38:43 HaDAk|work: I'd help ya with that, but I'm busy finishing up the AppCat version of Weather Widget. :D Sep 10 14:38:53 neat. Sep 10 14:38:59 can't wait to see it Sep 10 14:39:58 It's pretty cool. Has a secret way to enable the bigger dashboard. Also includes these things called "settings" that people keep asking for. lol Sep 10 14:40:08 lol Sep 10 14:40:10 i had a thought for it Sep 10 14:40:19 Oh yea? Sep 10 14:40:25 how about, very discreetly, a "last updated" time, and when it IS updating, have a small spinner Sep 10 14:40:38 HaDAk|work: huh? Sep 10 14:41:09 Garrett92C: why do you need a secret way? Sep 10 14:41:17 EricBlade: what? Sep 10 14:41:17 HaDAk|work: Yes, a 'last updated' time is on my list of things to add. Also added update progress indicators. Sep 10 14:41:28 HaDAk|work: you nudged me Sep 10 14:41:43 EricBlade: oh. you're javascript-friendly. Sep 10 14:41:47 EricBlade: So average people don't find it, turn it on, then complain how it doesn't work anymore. :/ Sep 10 14:41:48 EricBlade: you busy atm? Sep 10 14:42:20 Garrett92C: you could just have the dashboard index check the window.innerHeight Sep 10 14:42:54 HaDAk|work: busy waiting on github to recover Sep 10 14:43:19 EricBlade: Would that work? Doesn't the dash height need to be set when creating the dash? Sep 10 14:44:31 Garrett92C: you set the height in the openDashboard call, which opens a dashboard window using a different index.html .. in the second index.html, check the height of the window.. it should be 55 if it's regular, or whatever you requested if running in Luna Sep 10 14:44:33 CE Sep 10 14:44:57 or maybe it's 54 Sep 10 14:45:55 EricBlade: Ah, I see. That's a good idea. Sep 10 14:47:50 it's 54 Sep 10 14:48:01 by default, and dashHeight should set the window height correctly Sep 10 14:52:29 [core-apps] skipmeister123 pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/s7MF5g Sep 10 14:52:29 [core-apps/master] Fixed a bug wherein if the recipient is in your address book, their name shows instead of their email address - Hans Kokx Sep 10 14:52:48 well, we know that works. Sep 10 14:52:53 HaDAk please don't invite that Bot here...it is OT Sep 10 14:53:02 hokay Sep 10 14:53:50 balls. i need to find where to turn it off. Sep 10 14:53:55 ok, git maestros .. i don't know if it's because of the problems at github, or what, but whenever i try to push a branch of qt into my github, it tells me "Everything up-to-date" and refuses to push Sep 10 14:54:03 but i know, for a fact, that it's not up to date Sep 10 14:54:28 EricBlade github is apparently having "issues" this morning Sep 10 14:54:46 he knows...we ALL know....SPOF Sep 10 14:55:40 ka6sox-away: i don't know where i set up that bot. >.> Sep 10 14:57:40 then I will have to add a block on it. Sep 10 14:58:39 do that, until i can figure out how to shut it off. Sep 10 14:58:55 HaDAk|work, while I realize that there is a LOT more action here...the development you are working on is more appropriately done in -internals where they have people focused on Applications... Sep 10 15:01:14 thanks. i just pinged in #github to figure out how to kill it. Sep 10 15:08:08 figured it out. ^^ Sep 10 15:25:02 EricBlade: A build that works w/o sed? for what reason? Sep 10 15:25:55 because dynamically modifying the source files is something we probably should avoid, rather than just making the source files do what they should be doing Sep 10 15:38:15 good morning, * Sep 10 15:40:09 ah, didn't realize it was doing that Sep 10 15:40:30 I trust your changes are using #define rules or similar? Sep 10 15:42:53 GodGinrai: https://github.com/ericblade/qt/commits/x64 Sep 10 15:47:23 ah, hadn't looked at the github much; didn't realize there was a separate branch for 64-bit Sep 10 15:50:34 whew, I think that's the wave launcher sufficiently fixed Sep 10 15:50:45 anyone up for testing a release? Sep 10 16:43:55 dammit github let me do a pull request so i can get on with my day Sep 10 20:08:35 wow, didn't know about this channel. neat. Sep 10 20:13:49 imarcusthis: welcome to -ports Sep 10 20:13:55 ShiftyAxel: o/ Sep 10 20:14:21 * imarcusthis just finished compiling on ubuntu, and is trying to figure out how to get basic shit to work :) Sep 10 20:14:36 He was building OWO, so I directed him here. :) Sep 10 20:16:24 btw, ShiftyAxel, has anyone tried building OWO using another linux distro yet? Sep 10 20:16:29 hey all Sep 10 20:16:38 hey Patrick Sep 10 20:16:41 hey GodGinrai Sep 10 20:16:54 i'm really thinking about finding a better supported linux distro for my macbook and trying it on that Sep 10 20:16:56 GodGinrai: I think it's been compiled on arch linux Sep 10 20:16:57 like debian Sep 10 20:16:57 feels like owo could be a nice X11 window manager with not that much work. Sep 10 20:17:00 Hi PatrickC Sep 10 20:17:04 hey Garrett92C Sep 10 20:17:19 * PatrickC is finally on vacation!! :D Sep 10 20:17:25 * imarcusthis is running it in parallels on his retina mbp Sep 10 20:17:27 the next 30 days + will be awesome Sep 10 20:17:31 imarcusthis: that would be cool, but you'd have to knock together X11-in-card support Sep 10 20:17:38 ShiftyAxel: Perfect. I was planning on running Arch on this new laptop I'm getting. :) Sep 10 20:17:42 imarcusthis: runing ubuntu in parallels? Sep 10 20:17:48 PatrickC: yeah Sep 10 20:18:00 didn't know it installed into Parallels.. not that i have Parallels Sep 10 20:18:03 but still :P Sep 10 20:18:13 Ubuntu hates my MacBook Sep 10 20:18:27 borked the install when dualbooting, borked the VMware image, borked the Virtualbox image Sep 10 20:18:34 parallels even provide a quick install for ubuntu. Sep 10 20:18:52 lol Sep 10 20:19:00 but I had to download the 32 bit iso as they ship with the 64bit one by default. Sep 10 20:19:31 * ShiftyAxel likes his virtualbox Sep 10 20:19:42 the OWO browser is supposed to work, right? All I'm getting is a blue brick :-/ Sep 10 20:19:52 netboot install of Arch... hrmm Sep 10 20:20:31 PatrickC: I can attest that Arch is a great distro. :) Sep 10 20:20:42 GodGinrai: even on a MacBook Pro ;) Sep 10 20:20:49 you do have to install it from terminal, tho' Sep 10 20:20:50 imarcusthis: eheh, that. blue brick is standard atm Sep 10 20:20:57 ShiftyAxel: \o/ Sep 10 20:21:02 unless you go w/ Chakra or something Sep 10 20:21:14 hp 'included' the browser in the latest release Sep 10 20:21:16 ShiftyAxel: kinda hard to get more software into it atm then, I guess. Sep 10 20:21:27 you can install apps Sep 10 20:21:40 unzip/tar/ipk them into /usr/palm/applications Sep 10 20:21:46 cool. Sep 10 20:22:11 everyone seems to say that Arch is best on a MBP Sep 10 20:22:16 someone have a screenshot of the UI? Sep 10 20:22:29 for Arch, or OWO? Sep 10 20:22:32 Arch Sep 10 20:22:40 don't see any on the site Sep 10 20:22:43 There is no specific UI Sep 10 20:23:00 so it's all CLI with a WM over top? Sep 10 20:23:02 You start out barebones, and build it up w/ vanilla Sep 10 20:24:08 ah Sep 10 20:24:12 I like that idea Sep 10 20:24:17 nothing you don't need Sep 10 20:24:32 yea, It's nice. :) Sep 10 20:24:47 but do i want to install it before or after i install Windows 7? :P Sep 10 20:25:18 I think after Sep 10 20:25:32 probably best Sep 10 20:25:44 just going to take forever to download the stupid support software :S Sep 10 20:26:00 ya, that way you don't have win7's bootloader going ORGLE BORGE BARGLRHNGRAFL all over your partitions Sep 10 20:26:32 I would suggest having another computer w/ internet access around during the install Sep 10 20:26:33 GodGinrai: do you have a TP? Sep 10 20:26:40 + sudo bless --folder /efi/refit --file /efi/refit/refit.efi --labelfile /efi/refit/refit.vollabel --setBoot Sep 10 20:26:41 lol Sep 10 20:26:54 that way, you can read the user install guide Sep 10 20:26:58 GodGinrai: i only have like 6 :P Sep 10 20:27:03 ShiftyAxel: Sadly, no Sep 10 20:27:27 imarcusthis: how about you? have a TP? Sep 10 20:27:37 * PatrickC waits for ShiftyAxel to ask me Sep 10 20:27:44 ShiftyAxel: no, I have an iPad :p Sep 10 20:27:48 s/me/him/ Sep 10 20:27:57 Gonna donate to that raffle, tho', see if I can't get myself that Touchpad Go :P Sep 10 20:28:01 I'll refrain from shouting 'HERETIC' :) Sep 10 20:28:10 haha Sep 10 20:28:22 ShiftyAxel: would be nice if I could run webos on it tho ;) Sep 10 20:28:28 decent hardware. Sep 10 20:28:51 imarcusthis: sadly that will never ever happen, the hardware's locked down like a titanium chastity belt Sep 10 20:29:02 ShiftyAxel: even with jailbreaks? Sep 10 20:29:04 PatrickC: you want to test a new version? Sep 10 20:29:09 always :) Sep 10 20:29:55 imarcusthis: ya, jailbreaks are like rooting a droid device. we would still need an unlocked bootloader and drivers for all of apple's proprietary hardware bits Sep 10 20:30:13 PatrickC: the -binaries repo has been updated, it's a bugfix build for the wave launcher Sep 10 20:30:22 nice Sep 10 20:30:24 which WILL never happen :P Sep 10 20:30:26 * PatrickC goes to update the repo Sep 10 20:30:36 so basically play with the wavelauncher and try to break it however you can, if you succeed let me know :D Sep 10 20:30:47 ShiftyAxel: Too bad. The retina display is pretty awesome :) Sep 10 20:30:57 ShiftyAxel: i'm good at breaking things Sep 10 20:31:24 it is a shame, but i'm sure other manufacterers will come out with retina hardware in the next year or so Sep 10 20:31:57 though i do agree about the hardware being nice, apple has always rocked on that front Sep 10 20:32:11 yeah Sep 10 20:32:16 loving the HW on my Macbook Pro Sep 10 20:32:31 * scoutcamper notes ipad discussions can go to #webos-offtopic Sep 10 20:32:42 hey scoutcamper Sep 10 20:32:45 :) Sep 10 20:32:45 Yea, but you won't love that you can't upgrade said hardware :P Sep 10 20:33:42 PatrickC, GodGinrai, imarcusthis: jioin #webos-offtopic? Sep 10 20:34:18 * GodGinrai notes to scoutcamper that an active channel is better than an idle one, even if it is currently on an iChain tangent Sep 10 20:34:54 then -offtopic can be active, me, PatrickC and imarcusthis are having a whale of a time :P Sep 10 20:34:55 one thing that has always bugged me.... why is the launcher button off of the launcher bar on LunaCE? :P Sep 10 20:35:14 'off of'? Sep 10 20:35:24 you mean the alignment? Sep 10 20:35:26 it's raised above the launcher bar Sep 10 20:35:27 yeah Sep 10 20:35:55 It always bothered me that the Launcher button IS on that bar on my phone :P Sep 10 20:36:15 why do I need a button when I can just swipe up? Sep 10 20:36:44 raised above it? it should be at the same height as all the other ones... Sep 10 20:36:59 nope... lemme upload a screenshot Sep 10 20:37:19 oh yeah, I actually rewrote the layout code for it with the intention of adding a 'no launcher button' tweak Sep 10 20:37:46 so it's suppose to be above the rest of the launcher bar? Sep 10 20:40:57 it shouldn't be, is this with the latest -binaries version? Sep 10 20:41:46 yes Sep 10 20:41:47 afaik Sep 10 20:41:59 4.9.3 Sep 10 20:42:05 correct? Sep 10 20:48:41 * ShiftyAxel wonders if PatrickC fell off the edge Sep 10 20:48:58 remember I can't release this until I have 3/3 successes, time is of the essence... Sep 10 20:58:15 so not even into the alpha feed? I say let the abusers of the alpha feed suffer!! Sep 10 20:58:51 we're looking into getting LunaCE alphas into a nightly/latest-commit state Sep 10 20:59:01 but until that point, we need 3/3 confirmed successes Sep 10 20:59:22 which are quite hard to obtain when testers download the latest binary and then disappear... Sep 10 20:59:34 dang.. is there a binary posted somewhere? I still don't have a place to 'git' it Sep 10 21:00:19 you can direct download the repo with githubs fancy tagging system Sep 10 21:00:33 https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr-binaries/tags Sep 10 21:00:51 we are testing v4.9.3 Sep 10 21:01:09 morning pc-world Sep 10 21:01:26 morning Sep 10 21:01:30 morning pc-world Sep 10 21:07:57 internet reconnected... don't know why :P Sep 10 21:08:02 mornin' ShiftyAxel Grabber5_0 scoutcamper|away pc-world ka6sox-away Sep 10 21:08:10 morning EricBlade Sep 10 21:08:31 morning *everyone*... easier, isn't it? :P# Sep 10 21:08:49 naw, morning all is easief Sep 10 21:08:51 doesn't ping them though ;) Sep 10 21:09:23 we need a ~morningall Sep 10 21:09:41 lol, right Sep 10 21:10:04 ~lart Grabber5_0 Sep 10 21:10:04 * WoceBot beats Grabber5_0 senseless with a 50lb Unix manual Sep 10 21:10:19 ~morningall Grabber5_0 Sep 10 21:10:19 * WoceBot picks up Grabber5_0 and waves them at the channel Sep 10 21:10:32 morning EricBlade Sep 10 21:10:46 :-O Sep 10 21:11:01 even tho' I didn't get one from you... :'( Sep 10 21:11:49 one time in the days of old, when i was bit a wee boy, i had irc op privileges, and i wrote one of the earliest bots, it would /kill anyone who did anything that it detected. Sep 10 21:11:54 *was but Sep 10 21:12:11 lol, TurretBot? Sep 10 21:12:22 and then i told it to do a /who ** Sep 10 21:12:22 lol Sep 10 21:12:47 I hear that they -still- talk about that on UnderNet Sep 10 21:12:48 I had IRCop privs, too years back Sep 10 21:12:50 you don't wonder why you lost those privileges do you? ;-) Sep 10 21:13:14 funny stuff Sep 10 21:13:20 although that was after mode I was abolished :( Sep 10 21:14:28 as far as i know, it was at least a day before anyone was able to use that net again. i can't even remember what they did that really upset my 13 year old self, though Sep 10 21:15:57 ShiftyAxel: sorry... was afk Sep 10 21:16:05 yes, 4.9.3 Sep 10 21:16:16 you were going to send a pic? Sep 10 21:16:25 also have you broken the wave yet? :P Sep 10 21:16:31 just of the launcher button being out of place (to me) Sep 10 21:16:32 and nope :) Sep 10 21:16:44 this is good Sep 10 21:16:45 the only thing it doesn't do yet is easily launch apps Sep 10 21:16:48 lol, I once made an mIRC script to punish a trolling user Sep 10 21:16:48 *throws everything off his desk looking for an Ubuntu live cd* Sep 10 21:16:53 but other then that it works :) Sep 10 21:16:54 PatrickC: define easily? Sep 10 21:17:14 you have to use 2 fingers to do it.. one to initiate the wave launcher, the other to tap the icon Sep 10 21:17:21 Grabber5_0: *burns new one* Sep 10 21:17:22 NO, BAD Sep 10 21:17:22 Grabber5_0: cds, how quaint :D Sep 10 21:17:25 I strapped him to a channel, sajoining him to it when he parted, and saparting him from any channel he tried to join Sep 10 21:17:38 you only need 1 finger for the wave, it's like the 1.4.5 one... Sep 10 21:17:49 just move it under the app you want to launch and release Sep 10 21:18:10 brb Sep 10 21:18:12 using 2 fingers is more likely to break it though, so a good test cast Sep 10 21:18:28 ffs, this testing lark is shortening my lifespan... Sep 10 21:18:29 *remembers he has a USB stick with Ubuntu sitting in front of him* Sep 10 21:19:33 ShifyAxel, I got in trouble the last time I wave with one finger Sep 10 21:20:17 Grabber5_0: why? Sep 10 21:20:48 wrong finger Sep 10 21:21:57 please keep jokes in -offtopic and testing observations here please :P Sep 10 21:23:13 have to reboot my laptop.. will be a few minutes before I can update Sep 10 21:23:57 are there new tweaks for this release? Sep 10 21:24:27 naw, this is a stability release Sep 10 21:24:33 wave launcher behaves much better now Sep 10 21:24:34 I extracted the zip file on my Touchpad, may be quicker to do it direct on here again Sep 10 21:24:40 ShiftyAxel: it does launch with one finger... but doesn't highlight the currently selected launcher bar position like 1.4.5 did Sep 10 21:24:52 PatrickC: yeah, I haven't put that in yet Sep 10 21:24:59 argh, stupid laptop Sep 10 21:25:08 ShiftyAxel: and it also goes off the top of the screen Sep 10 21:25:19 the 1.4.5 one did that didn't it? Sep 10 21:25:22 instead of stopping at the top of the screen Sep 10 21:25:26 must change boot ordef Sep 10 21:25:32 why do I get the horrible feeling that the majority of users are feeling the need to use two fingers with the wave..? Sep 10 21:25:36 order Sep 10 21:25:39 ShiftyAxel: the 1.4.5/2.x one didn't Sep 10 21:26:01 seems counter-intuitive to me Sep 10 21:26:04 ShiftyAxel: because it doesn't highlight the current app like it used to Sep 10 21:26:17 * ShiftyAxel nabs his Pre3 for testing Sep 10 21:26:43 i used my pre2 to test :P Sep 10 21:26:48 I assumed if the user had any < 3.x webOS experience they'd know how a wave launcher worked… Sep 10 21:26:49 love having one lying aronud Sep 10 21:26:53 :cuss: USB stick isn't bootable anymore :'( Sep 10 21:27:06 ShiftyAxel: if i use slide gesture detection the wave gesture also triggers "upswipe", is this intended? Sep 10 21:27:07 ShiftyAxel: true. but only >=3.0 experience won't know Sep 10 21:28:25 falchie: that's unintended, can you open a bug on issues.webos-ports.org? Sep 10 21:30:21 sure! Sep 10 21:31:05 ty :) Sep 10 21:31:42 aha found my cd's. everything from 8.10 to 12.04 Sep 10 21:32:27 do those scripts need any particular version? Sep 10 21:33:09 Grabber5_0: LunaCE? or what scripts? Sep 10 21:33:36 the install scripts from the repo. just wanted to check before I boot Sep 10 21:34:17 Grabber5_0: from LunaSysMgr-binaries? OS almost shouldn't matter Sep 10 21:34:26 folks Sep 10 21:34:44 (with maybe some small modifications) it should work on Windows, Linux, OS X, ... Sep 10 21:34:47 I think I'm going to write one to run direct on my Touchpad.. seems more convenient since I don't have a current Ubuntu machine Sep 10 21:35:02 true duh Sep 10 21:35:06 sorry Sep 10 21:35:13 (as long as novacom works) Sep 10 21:39:37 going to run script now.. back when I'm done rebooting Sep 10 21:40:01 ShiftyAxel: the wave launcher is something i only discovered purely on accident about 3 months after i had my first webos phone, and i haven't figured a good reason for wasting space on having two duplicated functions that are accessible in almost exactly the same way Sep 10 21:40:32 EricBlade: I have a more intuitive action for it in the works Sep 10 21:42:00 i guess you can bring it up without leaving the card that you're in .. but .. it still seems to be a larger effort to use it than the regular launcher, with zero gain Sep 10 21:43:20 i'm going with a rightward slide on the gesture area/bottom of screen to summon it Sep 10 21:43:37 but, hey, people love it. i didn't see the left/right gesture being all that handy either, but people clamored for it, and now i find it indispensible Sep 10 21:43:50 playbook implements it badly (like everything else) Sep 10 21:43:55 so you can make a reverse 'L' gesture and have it appear without having to release your finger Sep 10 21:44:01 lol, yes Sep 10 21:44:25 when I saw the playbook ui i was torn between 'oooh, so smooth' and 'wtf they ripped off webos badly' Sep 10 21:54:38 ok that was embarrassing Sep 10 21:55:09 if you didn't know, the wave launcher does not work if the vkb is open Sep 10 21:56:04 that's intentional Sep 10 21:56:05 your finger lands on a key and if it's the space bar, it starts sending spaces, or another key and it gives you the long-press popup for that key Sep 10 21:56:59 ya, it's not meant to trigger with the VKB up Sep 10 21:57:16 we don't mess with the keyboard's touch sensitivity Sep 10 21:57:37 so hooking up a ~30px tap-and-hold deadzone would be bad Sep 10 21:57:50 and of course I was trying to open it with wirc active and they keyboard up :-) Sep 10 22:00:09 so it is a tap and hold not a slide up and hold Sep 10 22:00:35 yeah Sep 10 22:00:46 slide up and hold would conflict with slide and fluid gestures Sep 10 22:01:00 I'm planning to change it to a slide right on the bottom of the screen Sep 10 22:01:23 can we restrict slide and fluid to only be for the sides and top bar? Sep 10 22:01:36 *twitch* Sep 10 22:01:37 what do you mean? Sep 10 22:01:50 lol Sep 10 22:02:00 I did that Sep 10 22:02:03 slide and fluid trigger after a ~15px slide in a given direction Sep 10 22:02:22 so they would trigger the gesture before the wave launcher Sep 10 22:02:23 argh status report is due :'( Sep 10 22:02:30 brb Sep 10 22:03:12 one comment before I go.. the top of the wave is far enough from your finger it feels like you aren't interacting with it Sep 10 22:03:43 doh Sep 10 22:05:35 agree... Sep 10 22:05:51 (tried it on 4.9.0) Sep 10 22:07:18 ya, I had a look at the 2.x launcher and noted that mine seemed faraway Sep 10 22:07:22 shall fix Sep 10 22:08:02 on 2.x seems just barely touching my thumb Sep 10 22:08:31 cya all Sep 10 22:14:34 is there anything else I need to test other than the wave launcher? It seems to be working okay Sep 10 22:18:46 nah, wave launcher is the only thing currently Sep 10 22:19:53 * PatrickC|Away patiently awaits webOS on LTE devices Sep 10 22:20:26 ok someone tell me how to do that Sep 10 22:20:43 do what? Sep 10 22:22:16 the * thing that looks like a status Sep 10 22:22:55 /me Sep 10 22:22:58 type /me Sep 10 22:23:07 * ShiftyAxel prods Grabber_working with a cryptk Sep 10 22:23:22 tx Sep 10 22:23:30 * PatrickC prods ShiftyAxel to make open webOS work on his RAZR MAXX Sep 10 22:23:43 i'll expect it by tomorrow. kthxby Sep 10 22:23:52 ~lart PatrickC Sep 10 22:23:53 * WoceBot cuts PatrickC into thin stripes Sep 10 22:24:05 also Sep 10 22:24:09 ~bluen PatrickC Sep 10 22:24:09 * WoceBot points PatrickC at webos-offtopic Sep 10 22:26:54 the wave is pretty cool. Sep 11 00:56:05 just pushed v4.9.4 to the -binaries repo Sep 11 00:56:14 whoever cares to test is welcome to Sep 11 00:56:45 wave launcher is the test case, again. show/hide behaviour should be nicer and more consistent now. also it's summoned by a side-swipe on the bottom screen edge. Sep 11 01:06:22 WOOO Sep 11 01:07:54 EricBlade: have you had a LOT of coffee? Sep 11 01:07:58 ~coffee EricBlade Sep 11 01:08:20 i'm very close to being employed again! Sep 11 01:09:22 EricBlade: did you get the call? Sep 11 01:09:36 i hope i'm one more call away from it Sep 11 01:09:42 (only one) Sep 11 01:09:54 fingers crossed Sep 11 01:18:01 HaDAk: wanna test a new new version? Sep 11 01:18:08 sure Sep 11 01:18:17 it's in -binaries now, 4.9.4 Sep 11 01:18:26 more maintenance for the wave Sep 11 01:18:39 i think i've got the github version installed right now Sep 11 01:18:39 should show and hide nicer now, and it shows/hides correctly Sep 11 01:18:44 the latest? Sep 11 01:18:56 I pushed ~25mins ago Sep 11 01:18:59 no Sep 11 01:19:00 from last night Sep 11 01:19:01 fuck Sep 11 01:19:08 that's right, my computer isn't detecting my TP when i plug it in Sep 11 01:19:08 :| Sep 11 01:19:28 that's not so good Sep 11 01:19:35 tried a reboot/different usb port? Sep 11 01:19:49 reboot is next. Sep 11 01:27:07 figures. bad cable. Sep 11 01:27:39 * HaDAk grumbles Sep 11 01:27:40 anyway Sep 11 01:27:47 i'll update your github and install that Sep 11 01:27:48 shiny? Sep 11 01:28:54 moreso, mostly better behaviour Sep 11 01:31:53 i can't get it to trigger for me anymore. Sep 11 01:32:14 oh, i got it Sep 11 01:32:15 slide Sep 11 01:32:24 ya, new method Sep 11 01:32:28 more intuitive imo Sep 11 01:32:33 agreed Sep 11 01:32:41 the shape of the wave is all wrong still Sep 11 01:32:44 but so far so good Sep 11 01:33:12 too flat? Sep 11 01:33:17 yeah Sep 11 01:33:22 lemme see if i can find the original Sep 11 01:33:31 I have a pre3 that I can use for reference Sep 11 01:33:50 the top and bottom should probably fade/blur too, but that's been technically challenging so far Sep 11 01:34:07 they should Sep 11 01:34:12 the gradient isn't the greatest Sep 11 01:34:24 not to say you haven't done a lot of work though Sep 11 01:35:02 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/images/palm/pdk_pdl_gestures.jpg Sep 11 01:35:11 part of your problem is that the top and bottom are the same shape Sep 11 01:35:19 the top of the actual wave launcher is not the same shape Sep 11 01:35:34 yeah I see, more rounded Sep 11 01:35:58 I'll see if i can do it, problem is I'm working with cubic splines for shapes Sep 11 01:36:32 the icons should hug the bottom line Sep 11 01:36:47 right now, they're all over the place. Sep 11 01:40:24 yeah, the formula for the icon positioning is actually just a sine wave Sep 11 01:40:55 algorithms take a while for me to work out Sep 11 01:41:59 HaDAk: what do you think as to the bottom curve atm? Sep 11 01:42:10 little bit more rounded? Sep 11 01:42:24 it's too flat Sep 11 01:44:16 between github being broken today and webos jira being broken today i've just about had enough Sep 11 02:35:13 bedtime, nn all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 11 02:59:58 2012