**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 17 02:59:59 2012 Sep 17 03:18:35 hey guys Sep 17 03:30:38 hiay Sep 17 03:58:10 hai Sep 17 03:58:12 sup Sep 17 03:58:24 hola Sep 17 04:32:50 the new virtual trackball feels *perfect* Sep 17 04:35:50 I like that it keeps tracking as long as you keep moving your finger. The speed seems perfect, but I can see people wanting it customizable, if that's possible Sep 17 04:36:11 night all Sep 17 05:06:46 folks Sep 17 05:07:44 hey there bhuey Sep 17 05:13:41 hey Sep 17 05:15:51 bhuey Sep 17 05:19:18 the HP fake pleather tablet case that they were shuffling out at ridiculously low prices holds an iPad 2, a PlayBook, and a Evo 4g quite nicely. I like it. Sep 17 05:27:05 Things it doesn't hold very well: The thing it was made for. :-S Sep 17 06:22:13 well..its before local midnight...should I release 4.9.7? Sep 17 08:52:31 hey ka6sox Sep 17 15:32:41 good morning. Sep 17 15:35:35 morning amnoth Sep 17 15:48:45 * fxspec06 rejected =( Sep 17 15:49:52 gm Sep 17 17:30:52 ok, so, for my trip, i've got clothes, electronic cigarette supplies, shaving supplies, tablets/phones/chargers. what else do i need.. hmm. Sep 17 17:31:26 lead underwear? Sep 17 17:31:43 hmm. money would be good. Sep 17 17:31:53 i should probably get the address for the hotel too Sep 17 17:42:26 hookers? beer? Sep 17 17:47:15 BTKB? headphones, BTHS, laser pointer, enyo badge Sep 17 17:54:38 cloak and wizard hat Sep 17 17:57:54 I doubt you can expense the hookers and beer Sep 17 17:59:40 no, but seriously, headphones Sep 17 17:59:45 always headphones Sep 17 18:00:12 Qty 1 Human Resources and Qty Many Exotic Beverages, would explain the expenses? Sep 17 18:21:56 s/Exotic/Adult/ Sep 17 18:42:44 hey guys. next time you hear from me, i'll probably be in phoenix, unless the wait in detroit gets to be too long Sep 17 18:45:48 by the time you get to phoenix.... Sep 17 19:00:32 ctrl + tab & ctrl + arrows work nicely :) applause to pcworld (who isn't online to see it atm) Sep 17 19:01:14 he he Sep 17 19:08:13 i wanted to check in long enough to report :) but i've taken today and tomorrow off for the Jewish New Year, and i have a pile of books, a chaise and a shady spot in the yard calling my name :) Sep 17 19:11:10 w00t! Sep 17 19:12:21 * lagoldste heads for the big blue room Sep 17 19:44:57 ka6sox-farfarawa: i like the way the scrollball came out. i don't think it needs that much space in the 5th row though. i'd rather see more room for the numbers. Sep 17 19:47:46 I'm seeing a lack of proper attribution in here today... Sep 17 19:49:09 did i type ka6sox-farfarawa? i meant ShiftyAxel Sep 17 19:49:11 or something Sep 17 19:49:14 * HaDAk|work doesn't pay attention Sep 17 19:49:30 lol, first lagoldste thinking pc-world made the keyboard shortcuts, now this! Sep 17 19:49:59 lol Sep 17 19:50:02 well, fuck Sep 17 19:50:05 my app drawer won't launch Sep 17 19:50:06 at all. Sep 17 19:50:13 and it's taking up the same space as the arrows, don't you think it'd be too hard to hit if it was smaller? Sep 17 19:50:16 hrm, tried a luna restart? Sep 17 19:50:23 ok, it does when i use the button on the bezel Sep 17 19:50:26 but not by any other means Sep 17 19:50:36 no, i don't think it'd be too small Sep 17 19:52:18 restarting luna kinda sorta partially worked, but there's still a pretty big issue in that it doesn't work all the time Sep 17 19:53:26 in fact, none of my shortcut icons are working Sep 17 19:53:29 you brooooooooooooke it Sep 17 19:54:40 wow. Sep 17 19:54:42 this is awful. Sep 17 20:01:28 ShiftyAxel: i can't submit a bug report because the bug reporter is broken. where can i submit a bug report about the bug reporter? :P Sep 17 20:01:59 have you tried /dev/null? Sep 17 20:02:08 * HaDAk|work gives up Sep 17 20:02:26 whats broken about issues? Sep 17 20:02:36 also at least two other people have to confirm/repro the bug before you can put it on the tracker Sep 17 20:03:01 and I'm pretty sure there was no new code added that could affect the launcher... Sep 17 20:03:12 http://minus.com/mkaqH1gmy Sep 17 20:03:18 well. it was fine until this update. Sep 17 20:03:23 now that shit is happening Sep 17 20:04:10 taps aren't passing though to the application, the QL bar isn't working Sep 17 20:04:17 was fine before Sep 17 20:04:26 i was on 4.9.0 before Sep 17 20:06:05 that's 7 versions difference, and I'm seeing none of that on my TP Sep 17 20:06:23 i didn't see any of the versions in between in preware. Sep 17 20:06:24 I recognize the left-hand screenshot though Sep 17 20:06:45 that's what happens when a card isn't run through the layout code Sep 17 20:07:04 i think it accidentally launched via the wave launcher Sep 17 20:07:12 do you have any patches installed? Sep 17 20:07:47 i know i have at least one installed. i wrote it. Sep 17 20:07:48 also did you install the recovery lsm before the new LunaCE? Sep 17 20:07:53 no Sep 17 20:07:59 i just updated to the latest lunace Sep 17 20:08:08 should i head back to recovery and try again? Sep 17 20:08:13 ya Sep 17 20:08:30 is it safe to remove the recovery lsm after installing lunace? Sep 17 20:08:43 they ought to overwrite eachother Sep 17 20:09:02 Hi all, the bug about accounts is been fixed in latest LunaCE? I haven't found it in the issue tracker Sep 17 20:09:37 DMeister-IT: we haven't had any cases of it in quite some time, and the issue wasn't updated, so we closed it Sep 17 20:10:38 ah ok, because I had to doctorized my tp, due that issue (was in alpha)... Can I install the latest now? Sep 17 20:11:06 i think that's the issue i originally reported waaaaaaaaaaay back in early alpha Sep 17 20:14:21 ShiftyAxel: Ok thanks Sep 17 20:15:03 DMeister-IT: worth a try, but since it's still in beta that's a choice you'll have to make Sep 17 20:15:54 ShiftyAxel: I know ;) I have seen you are doing also one for pre3! Sep 17 20:15:59 Awesome Sep 17 20:16:14 are we? news to me Sep 17 20:16:44 me as well Sep 17 20:17:03 it's possible to compile LunaCE and run it on a Pre3, but due to large differences between webOS 2.x and 3.x barely anything works Sep 17 20:17:46 wait--> http://webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaCE_on_Pre3 Sep 17 20:18:04 please specify exactly on that page where it says we're actively working on it? Sep 17 20:18:35 Oh donno, I only read the news on webosfrance.com Sep 17 20:18:55 0.o Sep 17 20:18:58 oh dear Sep 17 20:19:10 looks like we've got some overzealous bloggers Sep 17 20:19:20 http://www.webosfrance.com/webOS-Ports-prepare-une-version-de-webOS-CE-Community-Edition-pour-le-HP-Pre3_a1300.html Sep 17 20:20:28 ShiftyAxel: installing recovery lsm and then lunace seems to have fixed the problem. at least, for now. how bizarre. Sep 17 20:21:56 ShiftyAxel: that pre3 page is from testing ericblade and i were doing Sep 17 20:22:15 HaDAk|work: I know this, I was here, remember? Sep 17 20:22:25 i don't remember dick. my memory is garbage. Sep 17 20:22:27 I was the second person to install it on a Pre3 Sep 17 20:22:33 i want a pre3. Sep 17 20:23:06 DMeister-IT: yup, looks like assumptive blogging if google translate is anything near accurate Sep 17 20:23:44 EricBlade got it working a while ago, we hit a wall with trying to make apps launch and thus decided to focus on LunaCE for touchpad Sep 17 20:23:48 * HaDAk|work just filed a comment Sep 17 20:23:57 yeah, i was working alongside him Sep 17 20:26:06 otherwise known as 'testing' if memory serves :P Sep 17 20:27:18 interesting comment, when was the last time you made a pull request to LSM? Sep 17 20:30:52 ShiftyAxel: so currently is a seconday goal? Sep 17 20:31:06 DMeister-IT: not really Sep 17 20:31:14 at the moment it doesn't work Sep 17 20:31:20 that's pretty much it Sep 17 20:31:32 ah ok, is an "idea" :D Sep 17 20:31:41 well, not bad :D Sep 17 20:31:55 eh, it 'works', but apps don't launch and the keyboard crashes everything Sep 17 20:32:24 yeah I remember the problem of the vkeyboard was been solved from a guy Sep 17 20:32:26 on nation Sep 17 20:32:43 but only in portrait mode, landscape crashes evertime Sep 17 20:32:47 i mean the hardware keyboard Sep 17 20:32:53 xD ah Sep 17 20:33:55 ShiftyAxel: i wasn't editing LSM, but i was still making strides at making it work on a pre2 Sep 17 20:34:12 ShiftyAxel: where nobody else was ;P Sep 17 20:35:14 HaDAk|work: granted, but please refrain from implying that you're a representative of WebOS Ports Sep 17 20:35:56 and what constitutes a "representative of webOS Ports"? is there a card that i'm not carrying? Sep 17 20:36:38 http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/WhoIsWho Sep 17 20:37:48 who decides? Sep 17 20:38:47 the webOS Ports team, mainly ka6sox since he's the project lead Sep 17 20:47:27 HaDAk|work, anything is possible, but please let ka6sox take care of statements like that in the future. Sep 17 20:48:25 I didn't mention webOS Ports or being affiliated with them. I spoke on the capacity that EricBlade and I tried to get it running, and deemed it a no-go until we had more source code. Sep 17 20:48:37 which is independent from webOS Ports as an entity. Sep 17 20:48:42 it's not MY fault it was put in the wiki. Sep 17 20:48:58 also, you're welcome for testing and sharing the information in the wiki. Sep 17 20:51:01 next time you want to get cranky with somebody who devotes a large portion of their free time testing and such for free...don't. Sep 17 21:09:48 folks Sep 17 21:10:07 bhuey: Sep 17 21:10:32 hey Sep 17 21:12:12 morning bhuey Sep 17 21:24:46 hey Sep 17 23:16:03 ~morningall Grabber5_0 Sep 17 23:16:03 * WoceBot picks up Grabber5_0 and waves them at the channel Sep 17 23:18:17 morning Grabber5_0 Sep 17 23:18:59 I finally got a garbled notification icon! woot! Sep 17 23:19:05 !!! Sep 17 23:19:11 we have a confirmed repro? Sep 17 23:19:23 that is officially filed under existing 3.0.5 bug right? Sep 17 23:19:39 HP is aware of it, and we have an entry on chiliproject Sep 17 23:19:48 problem is, I haven't the foggiest idea of how to fix it Sep 17 23:20:05 and apparently neither does HP, judging by the fact that it was submitted to them -ages- ago Sep 17 23:21:01 :-) Sep 17 23:21:28 Nor do I, but I was tired of everyone else seeing them but me :-P Sep 17 23:21:36 I'm listening to music remix, when it changes songs it throws out a notification. interestingly, the first one I noticed was total garbage. the last one seemed to take the wirc icon and butcher it up. :-) Sep 17 23:23:13 hey wow, it is the wirc notification icon, rotated upside down and color-inverted. Sep 17 23:23:44 but not 'garbled' Sep 17 23:23:55 what else is new? Sep 17 23:24:14 4.9.7 made it into the feeds Sep 17 23:25:45 cool Sep 17 23:25:57 sconix: are you around? I'd like to get your blessing w/regards to https://github.com/webos-internals/tweaks so we can get 3.0.2 pushed to the feeds Sep 17 23:26:05 major kudos on the trackball in case you didn't see it in the logs Sep 17 23:27:05 wirc makes me wish the ~ key was sitting next to the 1 where it should be :D Sep 17 23:27:21 ShiftyAxel: it looks ok Sep 17 23:27:30 but alas there is no room for it there Sep 17 23:28:10 ShiftyAxel: merged it, now have to head to bed Sep 17 23:28:22 ty sconix :) Sep 17 23:33:16 time to root through the logs for confirmation of bugfixes… the issue tracker's getting a bit crowded Sep 17 23:34:45 sadface, only one of the bugfixes has been properly confirmed... Sep 17 23:46:17 ShiftyAxel, I need a description for build.git/apps/tweaks/Makefile Sep 17 23:46:46 ka6sox: for the changes? Sep 17 23:46:59 Changelog for the makefile Sep 17 23:47:03 'Make Luna menu entry persistent, fix service error when dragging togglebuttons' Sep 17 23:47:05 so I can add it Sep 17 23:47:29 * ShiftyAxel still can't believe that error was because of dragging Sep 17 23:49:26 okay...updated and tagged... Sep 17 23:49:57 oh crud..thats 9 lines! Sep 17 23:50:32 uh-oh, approaching critical commit mass! Sep 17 23:53:31 wait 20minutes, soak, repeat as necessary Sep 17 23:56:37 everything will be fine if we follow standard insertion procedures Sep 17 23:59:38 b00m Sep 18 00:00:34 what about #169? Sep 18 00:00:44 and #121? Sep 18 00:01:07 and #109 Sep 18 00:01:32 I am closing #175 Sep 18 00:01:42 good plan Sep 18 00:02:09 if memory serves, falchie confirmed #169 as fixed yesterday Sep 18 00:02:24 #121 is fixed, but I'm the only verification thus far Sep 18 00:02:32 same for #109 Sep 18 00:06:03 please tweet for testers to verify #121 and #109 Sep 18 00:08:30 roger that Sep 18 00:10:23 ka6sox: https://twitter.com/shiftyaxel/status/247849937998577664 Sep 18 00:10:37 RT Sep 18 00:11:44 w00t, let's hope the turnout for this one is better than the last testing drive we tried on twitter :P Sep 18 00:11:54 heh Sep 18 00:11:58 i can't reproduce neither of them Sep 18 00:12:10 as in they are fixed? Sep 18 00:12:15 and yes, 169 seems to be fixed Sep 18 00:12:20 yeah Sep 18 00:14:24 okay...8 left Sep 18 00:14:29 ty falchie, do you have twitter? Sep 18 00:14:44 @falchie Sep 18 00:15:25 * ShiftyAxel kicks twitter Sep 18 00:15:33 I searched for @falchie! Sep 18 00:16:11 :) Sep 18 00:17:09 msg falchie you do not exist Sep 18 00:17:44 s//// Sep 18 00:18:09 ka6sox: https://twitter.com/shiftyaxel/status/247851794301075457 Sep 18 00:18:52 the carrier text settings doesnt't apply on the lock screen though, but maybe it's not supposed to? Sep 18 00:21:11 interesting, I don't think that's intentional Sep 18 00:21:21 falchie: could you open a bug report for that? Sep 18 00:21:25 sure Sep 18 00:21:58 ty, I think it's because the status bar on the lockscreen is actually a different entity from the non-lock one Sep 18 00:22:04 nice and confusing :) Sep 18 00:22:08 * ka6sox fulfills his role as Herder of Cats. Sep 18 00:24:31 * scoutcamper steals ka6sox's cats. Sep 18 00:30:13 yeah, that's how we spell doesn't in sweden. :P http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/185 Sep 18 00:30:33 its okay Sep 18 00:30:51 your english is better than my swedish Sep 18 00:31:33 :D Sep 18 00:33:58 in my defense it's actually really late here (02:32) :P Sep 18 00:34:06 Hi. Is all work on http://webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaCE_on_Pre3 tested on Pre3 ? The "Getting apps to start " part looks like Pre2 (libIMGegl.so is a PowerVR lib). Sep 18 00:34:51 hwti: the page title wouldn't be 'LunaCE on Pre3' if it hadn't been tested on a Pre3 Sep 18 00:35:11 some testing was done on a Pre2 also Sep 18 00:35:25 and possibly a Pre+ too, but it was a while ago and I forget the details Sep 18 00:35:58 TL;DR: we aren't focusing on it at the moment, it's there for information purposes only in case some enterpirising hacker wants to make it work ;) Sep 18 00:36:07 ok, I just wondered if some reported problems could be specific to Pre2 Sep 18 00:37:55 Perhaps I will try it on my Pre3, but it's not easy if I have to always doctor it to restore Luna. Sep 18 00:38:07 hwti, where did you see this? Sep 18 00:38:16 (what brought you here to ask this question :D) Sep 18 00:39:27 ka6sox: news on http://www.webosfrance.com Sep 18 00:39:58 did you see comment #10? Sep 18 00:42:49 yes, but perhaps I can try to fix problems (well, not likely if experienced devs didn't succeed, but who knows) Sep 18 00:43:20 okay, I wish you luck...please update that wiki page if you get further along.... Sep 18 00:43:33 good luck from me too Sep 18 00:43:38 if you need access to the wiki to update it please ask here and we will get you access. Sep 18 00:44:51 I guess that @webosinternals retweeting this: https://twitter.com/ScienceApps/status/247759166108737536 is why it has gotten so much attention lately :) Sep 18 00:45:38 I see... Sep 18 00:46:06 well...I wish people luck in getting it working... Sep 18 00:46:24 one solution I can guarantee will not be forthcoming... Sep 18 00:46:29 Source Code for 2.X Sep 18 00:46:57 bbl Sep 18 00:46:58 ok, I will first try to see if I can avoid overwriting files, to avoid doctoring (I'm using the Pre3 as main phone) Sep 18 00:47:31 hwti: renaming the LunaCE binary won't work, it throws permissions errors Sep 18 00:48:20 it might be worth looking at the open webos repo, might be able to use some of the code in there to get it working (though no guarantees) Sep 18 00:48:27 ShiftyAxel: permission ? Sep 18 00:49:11 permissions Sep 18 00:50:04 hwti: yeah, it refuses to run and throws an error about having insufficient permissions Sep 18 00:50:18 and not the sudo kind either Sep 18 00:51:15 even from another path (ie install in /usr/local/LunaCE/bin for example) ? Sep 18 00:51:49 I don't believe I tried that, but I imagine it'll do the same Sep 18 00:56:14 Unless another lib is trying to open /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr, there should be a way. Sep 18 00:56:55 I will try to debug this permission error Sep 18 01:09:00 good luck hwti Sep 18 01:12:40 time for me to go and sleep I think… sleep schedule of doom is creeping up on me Sep 18 01:16:34 nn all Sep 18 01:16:52 gnhf **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 18 02:59:58 2012