**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 27 02:59:58 2012 Sep 27 03:25:11 livelemoon: did you transfer over any json files? did you install "tweaks?" Sep 27 04:47:35 For anyone who missed it earlier, WOCE docs: http://kylemaas.github.com/LunaSysMgr/ Sep 27 04:47:49 So far as they have been written. Sep 27 05:47:11 hey peeeeeps Sep 27 06:04:53 yo! Sep 27 06:05:29 hm Sep 27 06:05:35 damn this fucking f-box Sep 27 06:05:54 which one? Sep 27 06:06:26 my one Sep 27 06:06:31 fritz.box Sep 27 06:06:35 oh Sep 27 06:06:46 halfhalo: sorry, but didn't got your answer (if you sent one) Sep 27 06:13:33 KyleMaas, thanks! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 27 08:14:33 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 27 08:16:20 2012 Sep 27 17:13:21 what's the story today people Sep 27 17:13:55 Google not supporting iPhone5 :o) Sep 27 17:14:27 my shiny new bt mouse arrived. i'm going to pair it with tp. Sep 27 17:14:31 define "not supporting" Sep 27 17:14:44 LunohoD: what good will that do? :) Sep 27 17:16:41 http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/25/us-google-iphone-idUSBRE88O07U20120925 Sep 27 17:20:13 LunohoD: definately won't do anything unless you've managed to magic up some sort of BT interface for an ubuntu chroot Sep 27 17:20:25 EricBlade: well, sometimes mouse is better than fingers Sep 27 17:20:43 ShiftyAxel: i'm going to hack luna Sep 27 17:20:54 and add a mouse pointer? Sep 27 17:21:05 yes, that should be possible Sep 27 17:21:27 Aardvarkend: baha, so apple are strengthening google's platform now? excellent. Sep 27 17:21:43 LunohoD: nice, that'll certainly be cool if you can do it :) Sep 27 17:52:36 Aardvarkeng: Apple broke the contract, and caught Google by surprise. They're working on something Sep 27 18:07:54 summatusmentis: you reckon it's a play of some sort, or just apple being slow on the maps uptake? Sep 27 18:19:44 My guess is just Apple attempting to do everything it can rather than source out. Sep 27 18:23:09 ShiftyAxel: everything I've read suggests Apple wanted more control over the maps (turn by turn, etc.), and Google wouldn't give it to them without other things (like Latitude, etc.) Sep 27 18:23:20 and so, Apple decided to just do it themselves Sep 27 18:24:41 I guess they have the potential to make a better product if they have absolute control over it Sep 27 18:24:53 emphasis on -potential- though :p Sep 27 18:25:14 HP had full control of palm, that worked well Sep 27 18:27:16 ShiftyAxel: the biggest issue I see is Google had a huge head-start for the data in their maps Sep 27 18:27:25 it'll take Apple a while to crowd-source the data they need Sep 27 18:27:46 yeah Sep 27 18:28:10 i thought id read that apple had all teh data via tomtom and tis just their usage of the data thats at fault Sep 27 18:28:12 I guess the '3D' maps are apple's answer to street view, since that's a big undertaking Sep 27 18:29:32 Geekpeter: "all the data via tomtom" still means they're limited by the data that tomtom has Sep 27 18:29:37 Google ahs so much more than that Sep 27 18:29:43 its not liek tomtom dont know what their doing Sep 27 18:30:44 so whats apple doing then, reinventing the wheel, or just making what they have work? because technically they have enough Sep 27 18:31:28 different use cases, I'd say Sep 27 18:32:09 tomtom's data is meant for sat-navs & explicit address info, whereas google maps is more of an ubiquitous 'find anything' kind of thing Sep 27 18:32:22 googles dataset is much bigger than tomtoms. Google has years of crowd-sourced data from thousands of android users Sep 27 18:32:45 then thats googles good fortune Sep 27 18:32:49 and hard work Sep 27 18:32:56 right, no one else can match that Sep 27 18:32:58 that's my only point Sep 27 18:33:02 doesnt mean apple have any rights to it :) Sep 27 18:33:14 well, they had contractual rights to it Sep 27 18:33:19 and may still for a while Sep 27 18:33:35 yet they decided to throw their baby rattle out the pram and remove all things google instead Sep 27 18:33:52 just like with adobe/flash Sep 27 18:34:02 I really don't think it's vendetta based Sep 27 18:34:07 even tho html5 is no better than flash Sep 27 18:34:24 everything I've read makes it sound like apple wanted turn-by-turn, and they/Google couldn't agree on terms for it Sep 27 18:34:54 as said, google have the best, if apple doesnt want to arrange usage of the best then it just means others will Sep 27 18:35:10 perhaps Sep 27 18:35:16 googles still a company liek apple, and companies are out to make cash Sep 27 18:35:20 yep Sep 27 18:35:35 it does kinda make android a more compelling platform, unless Apple's maps get better fast Sep 27 18:36:05 "cool sheep" like the flashy but mostly pointless appel stuff, that wont change no matter what android does Sep 27 18:36:44 if enough people can't do what they want w/ the maps, they may switch Sep 27 18:36:45 i work for a company that makes various "stuff" 1 of them accessories for tablets/phones, their nothign but apple stuff :D coz its seen as the cool thing to provide Sep 27 18:36:48 I believe there were around 16 tweets total saying 'yeah, apple maps is awesome!' Sep 27 18:36:50 I don't think it's bad enough for that to happen Sep 27 18:37:17 it's also a single target Sep 27 18:37:27 people wanted flash, yet didnt bail, they just lived with it Sep 27 18:37:39 yeah, apple's fanbase aren't going to switch purely because the maps app is a bit worse Sep 27 18:37:53 also I would disagree that HTML5 is no better than flash Sep 27 18:38:08 its still seen as the "best" or most fasionable thign to have by young and dumb old farts Sep 27 18:38:28 esp when most core stuff your average user is on pretty much all tech toys anyways Sep 27 18:39:03 yet i still see ppl oooh and aaaaah over say twitter apps as if their something android/webos/hell even feature phones cant do Sep 27 18:39:04 I think the handholding/simplicity is good for the older customer, means less tech support for their kids/grandkids Sep 27 18:39:26 the mac was teh same, nothign tekkie, meant little went wrong Sep 27 18:39:37 attracts ppl that like that kinda thing Sep 27 18:40:04 mac can do plenty of techie things, it's just not v. front-facing Sep 27 18:40:29 do they have more than 1 mouse button now :D ? Sep 27 18:40:41 depends on what hardware you use :P Sep 27 18:40:44 heh Sep 27 18:41:00 i remember my first error message when using an emulated mac on amiga/shapeshifter Sep 27 18:41:10 "an error has occured because.... an error has occured" Sep 27 18:41:11 though that was a bit silly imo, having to hold a button if you wanted the right-click menu… really? Sep 27 18:41:22 lol, nice and descriptive Sep 27 18:41:23 :) Sep 27 18:41:32 'an error has occurred BECAUSE WE SAY SO.' Sep 27 18:41:37 well no less confusing than an amiga guru meditation error Sep 27 18:41:45 or pc bluescreen Sep 27 18:41:54 guru meditation error? Sep 27 18:42:02 google it :D Sep 27 18:42:13 now replaced by the "grim reaper" Sep 27 18:42:23 * ShiftyAxel waits Sep 27 18:42:36 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Meditation Sep 27 18:42:45 i made a bootlogo out of that flashign error ¬ ¬ Sep 27 18:42:46 already there, my net's just being slow :p Sep 27 18:42:49 I recognize that Sep 27 18:42:49 ah Sep 27 18:42:59 WinUAE threw that at me a few times back in the day Sep 27 18:43:04 heh Sep 27 18:43:19 likely had a bad memory/gfx/cpu config or something Sep 27 18:43:45 probably, there were so many options... Sep 27 18:43:51 ppl tended to code hard asm and ignore standards so they worked on what they were made on and tended to crash on later hardware Sep 27 18:44:05 or even a different memory setup Sep 27 18:44:33 1/2mb chip ram, 1/2mb fast ram = fine for a game, 1mb chip, 0mb fast and bam guru Sep 27 18:44:41 if the game was made badly Sep 27 18:44:42 asm = better performance? Sep 27 18:44:47 oh my word yes Sep 27 18:44:59 a500 was only 7mhz ¬ ¬ Sep 27 18:45:06 and still multitasks like a badass Sep 27 18:45:17 even when memory gets full/near full Sep 27 18:45:50 always wanted ppl to ripoff various amigaos bits Sep 27 18:45:56 same as cards on webos Sep 27 18:45:59 useful stuff to have Sep 27 18:46:18 amigaWebOS :D Sep 27 18:46:28 different processors unfortunatly Sep 27 18:46:34 think the last time they matched was the palm pilot Sep 27 18:46:40 that was 680x0? i think Sep 27 18:47:12 think id read that the palm pilot was 2x as powerful as the most powerful 68060 amiga and sucked hardcore compared to even the weakest amiga Sep 27 18:47:14 no clue, I don't have a lot of knowledge of palm pre-pre Sep 27 18:47:29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_os Sep 27 18:47:36 read features, feel free to make me happy and rip em off Sep 27 18:48:08 arexx/dynamic ram disk/datatypes/ ooooh yeah Sep 27 18:48:22 shared librarys Sep 27 18:48:26 lists q large Sep 27 18:48:40 being able to mount any computers filesystem nativly Sep 27 18:49:44 ah yes and the IFF file standard which is still q useful and works on sound/pictures/animations/music etc Sep 27 18:49:56 think someone said xml is a bit like it only less powerful in some ways Sep 27 18:50:37 I'd talk to the linux dev community if you want to see that in webOS :p Sep 27 18:50:48 heh Sep 27 18:50:53 I like the origin of the guru meditation error Sep 27 18:50:59 nice and obscure Sep 27 18:51:03 :D Sep 27 18:51:09 like a smaller pc bluescreen Sep 27 18:51:18 and red ¬ ¬ Sep 27 18:51:22 yeah except you could just ignore most of them Sep 27 18:51:35 :) Sep 27 18:52:01 at least it's less eye-burning than a BSOD Sep 27 18:52:44 and animates, if the bluescreen had a happy smiling face animation ro something, ppl wouldnt hate it as much Sep 27 18:52:52 unless it ended up a nyancat anim Sep 27 18:52:57 lol Sep 27 18:53:08 I think the W8 BSOD has been prettied up, and has a big ':(' on it Sep 27 18:53:42 thankfully not seen 1 for a while, last was due to a nasty overheat in clammy/humid weather and a cheap case Sep 27 18:54:01 my new case is basically lots of fans with a bit of case filling the gaps :D Sep 27 18:54:41 my last was an OSX one just the other day, happens whenever I plug in my wired 360 pad Sep 27 18:54:47 stupid outdated drivers Sep 27 18:54:56 :/ Sep 27 18:56:05 tbh, im using my main pc less and less, weird as ive spent a lot keeping it up to date Sep 27 18:56:51 new easymode/carebear games these days bore me stupid as well so i just dont buy them, knowing the've been gutted to suit the facebook generation Sep 27 18:56:56 tablets/phones it is then Sep 27 18:57:44 maybe its because their just easier to lug around than my laptops Sep 27 18:58:42 you should play Dark Souls or La Mulana Sep 27 18:58:57 they're a very far cry from carebear :P Sep 27 18:59:11 any different to nwn? Sep 27 18:59:18 or diabfail3 Sep 27 18:59:23 ya, very Sep 27 18:59:30 reading tis got virtually no plot Sep 27 18:59:35 i r liking story driven stuff Sep 27 19:00:16 I'm not sure about the plot for dark souls, and la mulana's is mainly delivered by inscribed stone tablets that you find around the ruins Sep 27 19:00:36 speaking of games, I'm off to eurogamer tomorrow \o/ Sep 27 19:01:31 hmm yt clips look a little bit liek fable3 mixed with thief or skyrim Sep 27 19:02:04 eurogamer, nice, goin for anything in particular? Sep 27 19:02:48 halo 4, dishonoured, remember me, the valve 'jobs in games' talk, and for the tradition :) Sep 27 19:02:57 me and my uni mates have gone for the last two years Sep 27 19:03:02 * Geekpeter tries to aquire dredd vs zombies hsi bro in law has got on android and notices his app stores broken Sep 27 19:03:16 * Geekpeter bashes the ipad a few times Sep 27 19:03:37 thats strange, usually violence solves everything on technical stuff Sep 27 19:03:58 'if it doesn't work, hit it with a hammer, if it still doesn't work, call a tech and deny everything' Sep 27 19:04:07 * Geekpeter also notices his cydia stuff isnt working Sep 27 19:04:21 cycle wifi? Sep 27 19:04:31 done a reboot or 2 Sep 27 19:04:48 grey screen on app store, its liek seeing the grey screen on the touchpad email when its full :D Sep 27 19:04:49 hrm Sep 27 19:05:33 meh ill try that game he suggested on my 7" android knockoff tablet, should work Sep 27 19:05:53 morning dkirker Sep 27 19:06:40 Geekpeter: mac app store is up, so prob not a server issue Sep 27 19:07:02 was gonan say could be my isp then realised im talking to you here so erm no Sep 27 19:07:43 could be anything, i know i get failed download errors non stop when i tried ios6, gave up in the end Sep 27 19:07:52 not liek tis got anythign i need Sep 27 19:08:07 most posts id read said tosn loved it on phone and werent fans on a tablet Sep 27 19:08:20 plus mines wifi not 3g, so 1/2 the useful stuffs no good Sep 27 19:08:40 no good away from home* Sep 27 19:08:56 were you trying to update over wifi? Sep 27 19:09:02 yarp Sep 27 19:09:11 75% ish and bam fails every time Sep 27 19:09:15 same place Sep 27 19:09:31 probably 'cause the servers were getting owned, mountain lion had a similar issue on release Sep 27 19:09:47 suppose they do have 1 or 2 more users than most :D Sep 27 19:10:19 I updated my mum's iPhone via iTunes, figured it would be more reliable and stable than an OTA delta update Sep 27 19:10:25 * ShiftyAxel hates not doing a fresh install Sep 27 19:10:44 i refuse to install itunes Sep 27 19:10:52 same as origin for EA, steam and numerosu others Sep 27 19:11:54 I hate iTunes on windows, really bad vs the OSX version Sep 27 19:12:03 anything EA is evil, though steam I like Sep 27 19:12:16 * Geekpeter shudders Sep 27 19:12:37 Deuteros was licenced by EA, thats 1 thing i do like Sep 27 19:12:45 still my fave game even now Sep 27 19:12:59 brutal, harsh, fuck all instructions, and long Sep 27 19:13:22 * Geekpeter pines for ian bird to leap into action and remake it Sep 27 19:13:29 ....if anyone knew where he was Sep 27 19:13:46 1991, back in the day when EA actually cared an iota about their customers Sep 27 19:14:06 hadnt sold their soul just yet Sep 27 19:19:47 hi ShiftyAxel! Sep 27 19:20:02 how's it going? :) Sep 27 19:20:06 so so Sep 27 19:20:11 developed a sore throat yesterday Sep 27 19:20:15 trying to avoid a fever Sep 27 19:20:34 surprisingly, the syrup in the pumpkin spice latte from Starbucks is AMAZING at helping with the throat. :) Sep 27 19:21:08 any excuse for more coffee is a good excuse :D Sep 27 19:21:12 I am also on a fast track to get Isis built by Sunday. :) Sep 27 19:21:28 but.... shhhhh! It's a secret. ;) Sep 27 19:22:05 * Geekpeter giggled at the pun, "developed" a cold Sep 27 19:22:09 * Geekpeter is easily amused Sep 27 19:22:30 lol Sep 27 19:22:45 Yeah.... lovely code injection..... Sep 27 19:23:17 I am supposed to partake in a genetics study by Kaiser. They sent me a "spit tube" to collect DNA. I must wait so I don't send them a bunch of virus DNA. :P Sep 27 19:23:50 * Geekpeter wonders what will really go back in that tube Sep 27 19:26:09 I was thinking of pulling out my hair and sending that back. :P Sep 27 19:26:32 thats ofc what i thought Sep 27 19:30:00 they should be able to filter that out anyways Sep 27 19:35:27 Hopefully. I was told to watch out about getting food in it, since they don't want food DNA. :P Sep 27 20:29:18 congratulations dkirker, you are ... half cow! Sep 27 20:32:07 lol Sep 27 20:33:44 so you could put lettuce in there Sep 27 20:34:13 dkirker: but what they really want is just to have your DNA so they can make multiple dkirkers. Sep 27 20:34:48 that would be nice :) Sep 27 20:37:00 then we really can have one dkirker for webkit and one to keep his boss happy :D Sep 27 20:37:28 ShiftyAxel: :D Yes! Sep 27 20:51:03 and a spare one too Sep 27 20:51:04 for irc Sep 27 20:52:05 dkirker: viruses don't have dna, iirc Sep 27 20:52:32 oh, no, I'm wrong Sep 27 20:52:41 only some viruses don't have DNA Sep 27 20:53:00 summatusmentis: They usually carry some sort of DNA to inject into the host cell. Sep 27 20:53:06 'tis how they replicate. :) Sep 27 20:53:19 The scariest are retroviruses (HIV being one of them). Sep 27 20:54:14 dkirker: yeah, some carry DNA, others use RNA Sep 27 20:54:19 I was mistaken Sep 27 20:55:17 The second scariest are the ones that hide out for years, and then spring up. Like the varicella zoster virus (causes chickenpox)..... Sep 27 20:55:23 summatusmentis: Ah yes. And RNA. Sep 27 20:55:31 I keep forgetting about RNA. Sep 27 21:02:38 everyone forgets the RNA Sep 27 21:07:09 and shingles Sep 27 21:15:56 * EricBlade whines about how insanely large webkit is Sep 27 21:27:53 * ShiftyAxel whines about how irritating it is to install windows on a mac without a disc drive Sep 27 21:28:11 folks Sep 27 21:28:42 bhuey Sep 27 21:28:46 how goes?\ Sep 27 21:31:17 EricBlade: you there? Sep 27 21:32:25 sup? Sep 27 21:33:41 morning Sep 27 21:35:11 morning rwhitby Sep 27 21:56:39 hmm Sep 27 21:58:26 hey ShiftyAxel Sep 27 21:58:28 things are ok Sep 27 21:58:43 * bhuey looks at an iPhone 5 Sep 27 22:04:59 don't look at the hypno-ray Sep 27 22:05:03 :p Sep 27 22:11:23 i thought that was an iphone 6 feature Sep 27 22:16:03 that depends on how confident apple is in being able to keep the fans enthralled with minor revolutionary updates Sep 27 22:28:08 yes, obviously the 4s and 5 have been collosal failures in their incremental updates. :-S Sep 27 22:28:42 pretty soon Tim Cook is going to axe all iOS hardware. Sep 27 22:28:53 and go make printers. Sep 27 22:30:39 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/onion-new-apple-ceo-cook-is-thinking-printers/10950 Sep 27 22:36:29 obiviously a swipe at HP Sep 27 22:40:59 * ShiftyAxel wonders what an apple printer would look like Sep 27 22:41:01 lol Sep 27 22:41:25 for starters it would probably be machined from a block of aluminium Sep 27 23:00:25 "AT&T introduces the first portable wi-fi hotspot with a touch screen" .. so, they just came out with the Pre? Sep 27 23:23:55 you can still get a pre w/ free mobile hotspot on verizon **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 28 02:59:56 2012