**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 01 03:00:00 2012 Oct 01 03:08:43 EricBlade-TP, how can I help you with this goal.... Oct 01 03:10:18 which goal Oct 01 03:11:08 'how to configure a new build target' Oct 01 03:12:19 well I'm curious how the current new target was handled .. was it setup legit, or did someone just build the emulator target, and copy it over, or wha Oct 01 03:12:43 its a mashup... Oct 01 03:12:50 and if it was handled via proper configuration, then it'd be great when we can see that example Oct 01 03:12:59 its close... Oct 01 03:13:15 EricBlade-TP, there isn't a proper setup from HP on this... Oct 01 03:14:04 we have been tracking along...but because of schedules inside of HP changes that needed to be made to build for real targets are not "official" Oct 01 03:15:12 it contains bits from meta-webos, meta-smartphone, it has bits from the QEMUARM emulator..., it has some meta-shr stuff... Oct 01 03:15:29 well, its a question of what is supposed to be done with oe? the official docs are a mess of "read this link, but first read this link b, and link b reads read link c, but first read link d" Oct 01 03:15:32 the kernel work is in meta-smartphone... Oct 01 03:16:02 as the Tuna target Oct 01 03:17:43 so the answer is that it has stuff we needed from every source we needed it from... Oct 01 03:17:55 and eventually you end or begin at "add a new target, then fix the errors. but since the errors are useless, just copy from an existing system and modify it" Oct 01 03:18:25 tuna is like a nexus S so you start there... Oct 01 03:18:33 then modify to make work... Oct 01 03:18:39 yes thats how its generally done Oct 01 03:21:23 tats really poor documentation :-) Oct 01 03:22:02 and I would say that they would say "you have the source and the ability to write it"... Oct 01 03:22:23 you can try the Yocto documentation but thats poky-build specific.... Oct 01 03:22:33 and is not quite what we need. Oct 01 04:04:40 well if/when I have an understanding I will write something for people who don't already understand it :-) Oct 01 04:05:00 tyvm Oct 01 04:05:17 good documentation is worth its weight in Gold Pressed Latinum... Oct 01 04:16:28 EricBlade-TP_, you still here? Oct 01 04:16:49 no no no no no no *hides* Oct 01 04:17:24 its your fault... Oct 01 04:17:34 I just thought you ought to know that... Oct 01 04:18:26 (that is all) Oct 01 04:21:45 wats all my fault :-( Oct 01 04:22:39 me spending time(that I don't have) on finding better documentation :P (he he) Oct 01 04:26:31 http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/6819723/010HP_ElitePad_900_with_Keyboard_Left_Facing_gallery_post.jpg Oct 01 04:26:37 hmmm Oct 01 04:27:43 lol Oct 01 04:32:08 EricBlade-TP_: That keyboard looks similar. :P Oct 01 04:33:28 *familiar Oct 01 04:55:59 yeah Oct 01 04:56:33 man the performance improvements in ce are really tangible when you start loading it up Oct 01 05:03:09 :) Oct 01 06:08:10 boing Oct 01 06:49:48 * bhuey abusing git Oct 01 06:57:50 heh Oct 01 07:02:04 the "LunaCE crash when opening > 30 cards" was not very nice though Oct 01 07:04:31 hey ka6sox-away Oct 01 07:04:41 bhuey? Oct 01 07:04:51 just saying hi Oct 01 07:05:01 playing with Linux kernel related things right now Oct 01 07:09:06 fun! Oct 01 07:52:21 EricBlade: what kind of performance improvements? I cannot find any related commits in the git repo. Oct 01 07:52:37 LunohoD: i think how we got it compared to 3.0.5 Oct 01 07:53:27 it seems to really perform quite better than stock did. i know there's no way in hell i'd have ever had multiple 6 card stacks before Oct 01 07:57:59 hm, i do not feel much difference Oct 01 07:58:18 maybe because I was using some patches before Oct 01 07:58:26 like buttah and smooth scrolling Oct 01 08:02:31 aside from really terrible input lags sometimes, webos 3.0.5 + lunace i think feels much faster than my ipad 2 Oct 01 08:02:58 ya, those lags are something I wish I understood. Oct 01 08:03:24 warzon, you here? Oct 01 08:04:08 the most disturbing issue for me is the sound problem Oct 01 08:04:40 with all the people who've done kernel work, i'm surprised no one has fixed that one yet Oct 01 08:06:01 that could be a hw issue Oct 01 08:06:48 pulseaudio is the spawn of hell... Oct 01 08:07:00 well if i remember correctly, it cropped up in 3.0.4, replacing the bug that would cause the entire sound system to crash out Oct 01 08:07:32 i wonder if the android suffers from the same problem on the tp Oct 01 08:07:52 sort of - in cm9, if you shut the display off, the audio does the same thing Oct 01 08:08:15 at least, it did on the last cm9 official release i saw, which was from like february Oct 01 08:08:35 on the last cm7 release i saw, it would occasionally do the same thing as it does in webos. Oct 01 08:09:01 difference seeming to be in cm9, it almost always recovers when you turn the display back on Oct 01 09:24:53 morning Oct 01 09:25:11 morning Oct 01 09:25:28 warzon: morning Oct 01 09:27:12 morphis: i can get latest libhybris from your github repository? to test it on our tablet Oct 01 09:27:22 warzon: yes Oct 01 09:27:39 warzon: you need /system to be mounted Oct 01 09:28:03 morphis: /system/lib or all system? Oct 01 09:28:15 warzon: at least http://pastie.org/private/9raelhv3enomqh4ycieq Oct 01 09:30:33 morphis: thanks a lot, we'll test it and wrote you about results Oct 01 09:30:54 warzon: great Oct 01 09:34:43 patches welcome Oct 01 09:38:04 yes, we should help to make this better. Oct 01 09:39:04 (not that it is not already good stuff) Oct 01 09:39:28 morphis: you are using android 2.3 libs? Oct 01 09:39:42 no Oct 01 09:39:48 latest jelly bean Oct 01 09:41:37 warzon: you need a modified libc Oct 01 09:41:52 warzon: https://github.com/webOS-ports/android-binaries/blob/master/patches/bionic-pthread-tls.patch Oct 01 09:47:21 morphis: interesting, thanks. Oct 01 09:47:57 warzon: more to come when we go public Oct 01 10:18:11 morphis: i look at your sources and found that in makefile you use folder gingerbread insted of jb Oct 01 10:18:48 warzon: yes Oct 01 10:18:49 morphis: you rebuild android bionic libc to work? Oct 01 10:18:54 warzon: yes Oct 01 10:22:34 warzon: instructions are in the android-binaries repository Oct 01 10:23:25 morphis: ok , thanks a lot for this! Oct 01 10:23:44 morhis: we have no jb on our devices, maybe only on beaglebone. on tablet there is ics only. nead some time to test how it will work Oct 01 10:24:12 ok Oct 01 10:24:22 Stskeeps is using gb binaries Oct 01 10:24:30 so it should work with gb and ics too Oct 01 10:24:55 we'll see Oct 01 10:32:47 just for my understanding. libhybris uses a android core system (kernel, bionic, etc) and allows normal linux executables build with standard libc to be run on it? Oct 01 10:33:32 So leverage on the many available android devices and put a more linux like system on top? Oct 01 10:34:32 stefan_schmidt_w: yes Oct 01 10:34:56 it produces a glibc based libgles*.so/libegl*.so which will interface with the stuff from android Oct 01 10:35:03 stefan_schmidt_w: long story short it's the android linker turned into a custom libdl Oct 01 10:35:22 morphis: ok, cool Oct 01 10:35:24 stefan_schmidt_w: which allows glibc based apps to dlopen android libs Oct 01 10:35:44 something really great Stskeeps did :) Oct 01 10:36:20 Stskeeps: so it mainly targets the problem with graphics drivers right now? USing the android provided graphic libs? Oct 01 10:37:00 yes, but also usable for ril and other things Oct 01 10:37:42 ok :) Oct 01 10:37:56 getting hold of all this binary only userspace drivers Oct 01 10:38:14 yeah Oct 01 10:38:19 Still a nightmare to deal with if you have problems I suspect :) Oct 01 10:38:32 for sure Oct 01 10:39:54 but at least it provides a solution for this complex problem Oct 01 10:40:16 yeah Oct 01 10:40:50 Not a bad solution at all. Opening up a venue for quite some devices. Oct 01 10:41:21 Its just my inner voice telling me that the world would be easier if we would had the source for the drivers to better integrate and fix them :) Oct 01 10:41:25 yes Oct 01 10:41:29 but we're way beyond that stage by now :/ Oct 01 10:41:40 glibc/x11 adaptations are in a minimum Oct 01 10:41:58 so this is shock treatment and the way i really don't want to go :P Oct 01 10:42:01 Stskeeps: well, I would not give up hope. But I see that the chances are really bad :) Oct 01 10:42:17 i know first hand how difficult it is to find non-android adaptations these days Oct 01 10:42:20 :P Oct 01 10:42:28 yup Oct 01 10:42:40 Linux BSPs are Android BSPs these days Oct 01 10:42:56 And they often don't even understand the difference when you ask them :) Oct 01 10:45:56 stefan_schmidt_w: saw my latest demo showing how performing this actually can be, btw? Oct 01 10:46:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3Jz-lAGK4 Oct 01 10:46:40 Stskeeps: nope. Not paying to much attention here or in mer these days. Just checking from time to time :) Oct 01 10:46:42 that's without any optimization, whatsoever Oct 01 10:46:52 * stefan_schmidt_w checks Oct 01 10:47:06 (1024x768x32bpp, qml2, scenegraph) Oct 01 10:47:52 touch issue is just touch reversal Oct 01 10:48:18 +coordinate Oct 01 10:50:06 Stskeeps: nice perf, indeed Oct 01 10:50:38 Stskeeps: so that is cyanogenmod on a TP and then libhybris? Oct 01 10:51:10 Stskeeps: or directly against the libs provided by the WebOS system? Oct 01 10:51:28 stefan_schmidt_w: that's mer, libhybris, cyanogen in /system but not booted at all, just using it's libs, on TP Oct 01 10:51:38 so mer is booted with systemd as init process, etc Oct 01 10:51:50 ack Oct 01 10:54:37 (sorry to the rest for hijacking the convo..) Oct 01 14:47:11 Hello Oct 01 14:47:30 There is no news about ACL and Phoenix right? Oct 01 19:21:07 morning Oct 01 19:22:02 morning warzon__ Oct 01 19:23:15 how you debug libhybris? Oct 01 19:24:25 that's something you'll have to ask Stskeeps Oct 01 19:34:57 hello all. few quick questions.... Oct 01 19:35:24 warzon__, yup..he is the hybris guy. Oct 01 19:35:37 ~asktoask Oct 01 19:36:07 gfdos_, just ask :D Oct 01 19:36:22 is the Open WebOS 1.0 OE (openembedded) you got working on the galaxy nexus the build_webos or something else? Oct 01 19:36:47 had people telling me that is command line only Oct 01 19:37:15 gfdos_, its pre-alpha, it has GUI, and input, but they are not fast or stable. Oct 01 19:38:42 can you use it as a phone? Oct 01 19:38:49 so is it available from git hub or is it somewhere else? Oct 01 19:39:49 ka6sox-away, thanks , i'll wait for him. Oct 01 19:41:14 I ask because I was trying to make the build_webos from get hub on ubuntu 12 ARM.... and I'm getting an error. Oct 01 19:41:36 I was wondering if what I was compiling had a gui, or if I should be looking somewhere else for that. Oct 01 19:42:35 I tried build_desktop but it wont make on ubuntu 12 ARM, since some of the files are precompiled x86 tarballs. Oct 01 19:43:27 attempting make webos-image: cd BUILD-qemuarm && time make CONTINUOUS_BUILD_MARK= BBFLAGS='' webos-image # component webos-image for qemuarm /bin/sh: 1: time: not found make: *** [qemuarm/webos-image] Error 1277 Oct 01 19:45:33 I'm looking for POC here, then fast and stable will come when they come. Oct 01 19:47:26 gfdos_, you are about a week or 2 premature for us being ready to give you all that. Oct 01 19:48:22 understood. I'm working at compiling this on liniuxonandroid using ubuntu 12 ARM on HTC EVO 4G LTE. Oct 01 19:48:57 gfdos_, do you have the modem protocol sussed out? Oct 01 19:49:04 I've documented my progress here: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-open-source-development/318886-openwebos-linuxonandroid-htc-evo-4g-lte.html Oct 01 19:49:35 gfdos_, if you would like wikispace on www.webos-ports.org please let me know and we can set you up Oct 01 19:49:43 No, just trying to get it to compile. Oct 01 19:49:46 we are trying to document ports where people can see them. Oct 01 19:50:52 My goal is a set of reproducable steps share able with others who are excited about webos Oct 01 19:51:16 then I would love to give you space to put this up where we can have a permanent link for people to see. Oct 01 19:51:55 I saw that thread, interesting stuff Oct 01 19:52:18 My guess is that if build_desktop works on ubuntu 12 x86, if I had the source to replace all the x86 precompiled tarballs, it would run on ubuntu 12 ARM.... Oct 01 19:52:48 there are issues with the qt4-palm build that keep cropping up./ Oct 01 19:52:56 then I wanted to make sure someone hadn't already done it. Oct 01 19:52:57 on arm builds Oct 01 19:53:22 qt4-palm is fragile Oct 01 19:53:23 we have...but again we are working to get the sources in a place to release. Oct 01 19:53:26 very fragile Oct 01 19:53:32 champagne glass Oct 01 19:54:09 gfdos_, have you seen www.webos-ports.org? Oct 01 19:55:58 saw some issues with qt4 when trying to compile the prerequisits before attempting make of build_desktop on ubuntu 12 ARM Oct 01 19:56:37 so you are attempting to use desktop build for ubuntu-arm? Oct 01 19:56:51 I've seen webos-ports.org..... but didn't see any links in the top level page.... and didn't know what to search under to find what I was looking for Oct 01 19:57:20 what are you looking for? Oct 01 19:58:39 I did try.... but when it failed to make because it couldn't execute a file during the make, and I saw the file it was trying to execute was a binary.... I just presumed it was precompiled x86, then moved on to the build_webos, beacause I saw mention of ARM in the readme.md Oct 01 19:59:09 there are serious issues with the build. Oct 01 19:59:21 its pretty x86_32 specific Oct 01 19:59:56 I'm looking for what I SHOULD be compiling.... had to work through getting linuxonandroid with ubuntu 12 to get sufficent space to do the compile since it is limited to 4GB chunks.... Oct 01 20:00:14 because the sdcard is forced vfat.... Oct 01 20:00:25 you are natively building? Oct 01 20:00:30 as far as build-desktop is concerned, it probably won't build under arm Oct 01 20:00:42 OE is the way to go with arm, but that requires using drivers and the like Oct 01 20:00:52 s/using/fudging/ Oct 01 20:00:53 ShiftyAxel meant: OE is the way to go with arm, but that requires fudging drivers and the like Oct 01 20:01:04 got through all that figured out how to mount an additional .img then I started natively building in the chrooted version of ubuntu right on the phone. Oct 01 20:01:24 are you building now? Oct 01 20:02:16 I can be. The error I posted earlier was what I got when trying the build of build_webos: Oct 01 20:02:26 attempting make webos-image: cd BUILD-qemuarm && time make CONTINUOUS_BUILD_MARK= BBFLAGS='' webos-image # component webos-image for qemuarm /bin/sh: 1: time: not found make: *** [qemuarm/webos-image] Error 1277 Oct 01 20:02:47 woah woah woah Oct 01 20:02:55 you're compiling OE inside ubuntu for ARM..? Oct 01 20:03:09 yuo Oct 01 20:03:12 yup Oct 01 20:03:37 linux is linux..... Oct 01 20:03:59 so a chrooted linux on linux should be able to do this. Oct 01 20:04:01 and webos-image is enormous, I doubt it'll fit on the phone's storage Oct 01 20:04:15 yeah.... about that.... Oct 01 20:04:45 the readme.md for build_webos said 4GB space free required for building.... Oct 01 20:05:05 and now it says 40GB space free required for building.... Oct 01 20:06:13 I got the 4GB FREE.... by mounting an additional 4G .img file inside the 4G ubuntu.img .... it is mounted at /webOS Oct 01 20:06:13 gfdos_, its more like 60GB Oct 01 20:06:36 even if you += INHERIT rm_work Oct 01 20:07:08 so looks like my first step is to get me a 64GB microSD.... Oct 01 20:07:27 that *might* be enough... Oct 01 20:07:51 I get the feeling that modifying build-desktop for arm might be a better way to go Oct 01 20:08:05 compiling OE on a handset... that would take forever and ever Oct 01 20:08:11 well theres some direction :) Oct 01 20:08:11 most of us using OE do not attempt to use anything but x86_(32,64) as host for building Oct 01 20:08:34 can you build an ARM image on x86? Oct 01 20:08:49 plus you're building the -entire- webOS rootfs, for your use case I think all you'd be wanting is luna if you're planning to run it inside ubuntu Oct 01 20:09:02 ya, that's what the OE build is for Oct 01 20:09:20 but that runs natively as opposed to inside ubuntu, it's an actual OS, so to speak Oct 01 20:09:43 all the good info I was looking for :) Oct 01 20:10:05 I really don't care about how long it takes.... I was looking for POC.... Oct 01 20:10:11 gfdos_, building on HTC 4G LTE is not going to be reproducable for but .0001% of people... Oct 01 20:10:16 you have found it.. Oct 01 20:10:21 the POC is here. Oct 01 20:10:46 but it is for people running HTC ONE X.... its the same Oct 01 20:10:46 but you are doing things that the build was never intended to do. Oct 01 20:11:18 the build system is very very specific on host Oct 01 20:11:41 and you are waaaaay off the reservation out somewhere else with native ARM building... Oct 01 20:13:20 isn't doing things the build was never intended to do the definition of inovation :) Oct 01 20:13:29 absolutely.... Oct 01 20:13:38 I am not discouraging you from doing what you want... Oct 01 20:14:27 having done this in the past (myself) for arm5be...I know how painful it is. Oct 01 20:16:06 and SLOW Oct 01 20:16:15 slow.... Oct 01 20:16:17 hehehe Oct 01 20:16:19 DEAD SLOW... Oct 01 20:16:43 yeeah like when I tried to use dd to create the 4gb img on the phone? Oct 01 20:16:51 3 days later...... Oct 01 20:17:11 building whole image is _slow_ on decent workstation, linking webkit needs 4G of ram.. so buy another uSD just for swap :) Oct 01 20:17:25 I gave up and just created it on a pc, zipped it and unziped it on the phone in 8 min. Oct 01 20:18:07 building the whole thing on my i7 2600k with 8gb ram takes about an hour, meaning it would take about a month on the phone Oct 01 20:19:11 scoutcamper: oe build of -dev image or just desktop-build? Oct 01 20:19:23 so what I want to be doing is wait 2 weeks for you to release what you are working on, then use OE to compile it on my Dell Precision Workstation T3600 in ubuntu 12 I have running in vmware fusion? Oct 01 20:19:54 Jack87, they both take very close to an hour on this machine. Oct 01 20:19:58 errr Oct 01 20:20:07 JaMa, see above Oct 01 20:21:38 gfdos_: you could probably compile a qemuarm image on your desktop now, then copy it over to the phone and run it in qemu if you're that desparate to use OE Oct 01 20:22:20 but I would still recommend trying to make desktop-build work on ARM, cuts out a lot of unnecessary kludge and bloat considering you already have a working ubuntu on the phone Oct 01 20:22:21 ShiftyAxel: that would provide me with the POC I'm looking for. Oct 01 20:23:19 ShiftyAxel: does it sound right that the only thing stopping me is precompiled x86 binaries? Oct 01 20:23:21 gfdos_, what Timezone are you in? Oct 01 20:23:27 EST Oct 01 20:24:17 'precompiled x86 binaries' in what sense? Oct 01 20:24:19 the thing is...we are just a little bit of time away from having something we can duplicate for alpha developers. Oct 01 20:24:33 ShiftyAxel: and then the next question--- is source available for all the precompiled binaries, or am I going to find one component that stops the whole ship :) Oct 01 20:24:50 for what platform? Oct 01 20:24:53 your EVO? Oct 01 20:24:55 that all depends on what you mean by precompiled binaries :P Oct 01 20:25:13 for all I know you could be referring to LSM, binary driver blobs, libWTF... Oct 01 20:25:28 he he... Oct 01 20:25:33 * ka6sox likes that one... Oct 01 20:25:55 that one represents webkit perfectly Oct 01 20:26:16 poor webkit... Oct 01 20:26:25 it's just big-boned Oct 01 20:26:30 When I first started with trying to compile webos_desktop on ubuntu 12 ARM, running on my phone, It got through all the prereqs fine except a mention of qt4..... Oct 01 20:26:58 yes, it is very x86 specific for desktop build Oct 01 20:27:09 ya, qt4-palm is as fragile as a champagne glass combined with the lead singer of Nitro Oct 01 20:27:23 fixing that would be the next logical step Oct 01 20:27:24 morning sugardave Oct 01 20:27:28 then when i tried to make, it failed at i think line 127 or something.... and I looked just before that and it said something about extracting binaries, tarball, luna somtehing Oct 01 20:27:33 morning sugardave Oct 01 20:27:52 morning....I guess my home box died on me Oct 01 20:27:58 the error was that it could not run the executable..... Oct 01 20:28:16 (and no, I still don't have a bouncer or whatever that is called set up yet :) Oct 01 20:28:24 so my guess is that part of the make was trying to use a precompiled x86 binary. Oct 01 20:29:01 and so my ubuntu 12 on ARM was not going to be able to finish the make script..... Oct 01 20:29:51 So again my question is.... is source available for all the precompiled binaries that are used in the make process.... Oct 01 20:30:03 for which build Oct 01 20:30:15 or am I going to find one little peice that stops me. Oct 01 20:30:36 build-desktop or build-webos? Oct 01 20:30:37 in this case build_desktop -- which runs on ubuntu 12 Oct 01 20:30:59 which runs on x86_32(aka i386) Ubuntu 12 Oct 01 20:31:11 right Oct 01 20:31:34 my answer to you is YMMV...because it was never intended to do what you are wanting to do with it. Oct 01 20:31:54 nobody here(to my knowledge) has attempted this. Oct 01 20:32:09 ka6sox: ShiftyAxel is saying I should try it because "cuts out a lot of unnecessary kludge and bloat considering you already have a working ubuntu on the phone" Oct 01 20:32:51 I'm saying I have 3 options..... 1. try to get desktop-build to work on ARM Oct 01 20:33:10 nobody here can guarantee what a build designed for x86_32 will do with being built on Ubuntu ARM.... Oct 01 20:33:59 2. try to figure out the error I'm getting trying to compile build_webos --- OR I just learned here, compile that right on my pc using OE, and move it over, if it will fit. Oct 01 20:34:26 3. wait 2 weeks for you to release what you are working on, then use OE to compile it on my Dell Precision Workstation T3600 in ubuntu 12 I have running in vmware fusion Oct 01 20:34:41 my suggestion is 3) Oct 01 20:34:48 because that I can support... Oct 01 20:35:05 ka6sox: that is what I was looking for..... Oct 01 20:35:32 ka6sox: that being said, what advice/recomendations do you have on option 3 then Oct 01 20:35:45 start looking into: Oct 01 20:35:50 TS drivers Oct 01 20:36:17 gfdos_: 3 won't be something to run in ubuntu, it'll be an actual OS image to boot on-device Oct 01 20:36:23 GLES drivers (or use LibHybris + GLES drivers...) Oct 01 20:36:59 check meta-smartphone and see how much of the stuff you have on the HTC EVO LTE is already done for a BSP. Oct 01 20:37:21 if not...start a BSP to for meta-smartphone to make it happen. Oct 01 20:43:26 Just reiterating: if I want to run Open webOS in ubuntu 12 ARM, (along side android) it would have to be done by getting build_desktop to compile on ubuntu 12 ARM OR using OE on a pc to compile a qemuarm ARM emulated image, Where as the options ka6sox just gave me are for running OpenWebOS 1.x OE directly on my device Oct 01 20:44:26 define "alongside"? Oct 01 20:46:03 alongside = ubuntu running on my phone is chrooted .... meaning I am running CM10 Jellybean on the phone, and ubuntu 12 is running as a process, sharing one of my procs, and accessable by vncing from my phone into that process. Oct 01 20:46:43 Example: Open WebOS as an "app" Oct 01 20:47:28 so even if the "phone" part of webOS isnt working..... I can use the android part for that.... Oct 01 20:47:49 uh Oct 01 20:48:28 sorry --- having my cake and eating it too was on the spec list :) Oct 01 20:49:07 yes, I see that... Oct 01 20:49:12 that's pretty much the long and short of it, though you won't be able to hook the android phone into the webOS UI- you'd have to leave the vnc session for that Oct 01 20:49:32 also I'm not 100% about being able to compile a qemuarm image to run inside the chroot, qemu isn't my strong point Oct 01 20:49:35 This is a symptom of the power button failing on my Sprint Frankenpre2, forcing me to a different phone. Oct 01 20:49:59 gfdos_, I can't say for your EVO.... Oct 01 20:50:14 but we are working to get phone functionality working for the Gnex Oct 01 20:50:19 morning lagoldste Oct 01 20:50:28 ShiftyAxel: there are more than a few assumptions here.... thats why I'm either a genius or crazy. Oct 01 20:50:44 gfdos_, there is a fine line as you know :D Oct 01 20:51:07 mornin' ka6sox Oct 01 20:51:25 last week was insanely busy Oct 01 20:51:26 ka6sox: I will buy a Gnex when you get this working if thats the hardware required to run webOS again as a phone.... Oct 01 20:51:40 thank you for all your hard work. Oct 01 20:51:51 gfdos_, stay tuned! Oct 01 20:51:58 lagoldste, tell me about it... Oct 01 20:52:15 this is maybe a weird question, and perhaps not the right place to be asking it, but is it remotely feasible to chroot android apps when running a webOS host? Oct 01 20:52:18 I'm just trying to find a way for the others who have android and want a taste of webOS until then. Oct 01 20:53:00 lol summatusmentis: I'm trying to do the exact opposite. Oct 01 20:53:47 gfdos_, no guarantees...but it is theoretically possible to dual boot if libhybris works as I think it does. Oct 01 20:53:49 gfdos_: for hardware support sure, I guess I was wondering about when full GNex support happens, still being able to access say, the GMail app, would be really slick Oct 01 20:54:18 ka6sox: sweet! Oct 01 20:55:00 I have run linux apps on a running android system... Oct 01 20:55:05 summatusmentis: I'm hoping for that too. Evilberry does it on their new webos wanna be os.... Oct 01 20:55:07 (not a chroot) Oct 01 20:55:07 dual boot a phone? that would be cool. open mobile actually releasing something would be even better Oct 01 20:55:40 ka6sox: ah, the only reason I mentioned chroot is because that's how you used to do it in the maemo days Oct 01 20:55:41 * ka6sox does *not* hold his breath Oct 01 20:56:01 * lagoldste is not holding her breath, either Oct 01 20:56:03 how would they share the screen and input Oct 01 20:56:41 on screen buttons.... Oct 01 20:56:49 uh Oct 01 20:56:55 bah, touchscreens are a fad. Oct 01 20:57:01 heh Oct 01 20:57:17 so are cd-roms mr. amiga Oct 01 20:57:26 ka6sox: I kinda think there was a shim between OSK and the X11 that the apps were running in Oct 01 20:57:39 bear in mind, these weren't android apps, but straight linux apps Oct 01 20:57:43 (in maemo) Oct 01 20:58:04 x11 isn't Luna Oct 01 20:58:24 ka6sox: but it wishes it was Oct 01 20:58:40 no, it really doesn't Oct 01 20:59:42 no, I know that Oct 01 20:59:43 gfdos_, I think "cake and eat it too" is a bit more than a bit...premature... Oct 01 20:59:54 and android doesn't do anything remotely close to X11 either Oct 01 21:00:13 fundamental differences, woo Oct 01 21:01:27 ka6sox: maybe I am crossing the line... but while goals are good.... obtainable goals are better..... Eat the elephant, one bite at a time. Oct 01 21:01:46 gfdos_, agreed... Oct 01 21:02:15 for now..if you really want to make your HTC be a webOS phone...work on undertanding its video/TS input/and radios Oct 01 21:03:32 ka6sox: thank you so much for your indulgence Oct 01 21:03:45 http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#developing-a-board-support-package-bsp Oct 01 21:03:56 thats a start? Oct 01 21:04:02 ya Oct 01 21:04:27 ShiftyAxel: thanks for the encouragement Oct 01 21:04:48 gfdos_: just skip the part about linux-yocto :) Oct 01 21:05:12 right. Oct 01 21:05:36 ah a little light reading.... Oct 01 21:07:34 gfdos_: maybe just check what's in meta-samsung BSP in meta-smartpone to get better idea what's needed Oct 01 21:09:31 thanks Oct 01 21:10:56 Indulgences....3/$1 Oct 01 21:17:39 folks Oct 01 21:17:48 bhuey Oct 01 21:41:04 hey ka6sox, once it's working on the nexus, how much work do you think it would be to get it working on a phone w/ a real keyboard? Oct 01 21:41:49 GodGinrai: nothing that a BT keyboard and some duct tape can't fix Oct 01 21:42:00 I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK Oct 01 21:43:27 lol Shifty, If I could make a slick DIY phone, then I would consider such an option. :P Oct 01 21:48:54 cryptk: your naming convention... @_@ Oct 01 21:49:05 ?? Oct 01 21:49:13 * bhuey is looking at the scheduler logic Oct 01 21:49:20 quite a bit has changed since 2009 Oct 01 21:49:23 GodGinrai, whatcha talking about? Oct 01 21:49:27 offline when you are online? Oct 01 21:49:33 nope Oct 01 21:49:41 I was offline, so it said offline Oct 01 21:49:43 now I am online Oct 01 21:49:48 nah, you were afk Oct 01 21:49:48 so it doesn't say offline anymore Oct 01 21:49:51 I don't see what's confusing Oct 01 21:49:58 no, I was not AFK, I was offline Oct 01 21:50:00 there is a difference Oct 01 21:50:05 I was not connected to IRC Oct 01 21:50:07 my proxy was Oct 01 21:50:12 offline means there is no connection Oct 01 21:50:13 * cryptk sits behind a ZNC bouncer Oct 01 21:50:27 there was no connection between an IRC client and freenode Oct 01 21:50:38 there was a connection between ZNC (a proxy) and freenode Oct 01 21:50:46 o.o Oct 01 21:50:49 had you sent a message to me, it would not have gone to an IRC client Oct 01 21:51:05 it would have waited in a queue until I connected to the proxy, and then been delivered Oct 01 21:51:39 I've never even heard of using a proxy in this way o.o Oct 01 21:51:58 well then Oct 01 21:51:58 called ZNC Oct 01 21:52:06 there are others though, but I use ZNC Oct 01 21:52:17 GodGinrai, http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC Oct 01 21:52:21 * halfhalo is behind a proxy behind a proxy behind a laser Oct 01 21:52:29 so now you see, my naming convention makes perfect sense Oct 01 21:52:57 just the long discussion about it is completely OT :) Oct 01 21:53:05 * sugardave heads to halfhalo's half-cube with some mirrors. Oct 01 21:53:13 yes, in a way, it does. XD Oct 01 21:53:24