**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 03 02:59:59 2012
Oct 03 03:35:32 <gambomb> for the desktop build
Oct 03 03:35:46 <gambomb> but it should be the same for both
Oct 03 03:37:07 <gambomb> ka6sox: do you have any idea where the mouse cursor is hidden?
Oct 03 03:40:53 <gambomb> or ShiftyAxel, since I know you were messing with the graphics
Oct 03 03:40:59 <halfhalo> gambomb its not the same between them
Oct 03 03:41:36 <gambomb> oh really?
Oct 03 03:41:41 <halfhalo> QT4 really doesn't have a concept of a cursor.  Thats the window managers job
Oct 03 03:41:48 <gambomb> oh
Oct 03 03:42:00 <gambomb> that's interesting
Oct 03 03:44:09 <gambomb> thanks
Oct 03 06:43:33 <EricBlade-TP> hey all
Oct 03 06:45:15 <destinal> EricBlade-TP: heya
Oct 03 06:46:12 <EricBlade-TP> what's happenin
Oct 03 06:48:39 <destinal> not too much.  thinking about moving qemux86 build to virtualbox
Oct 03 06:48:46 <destinal> kind of miss virtualbox
Oct 03 11:59:54 <warzon> morphis: are you here?
Oct 03 12:00:05 <warzon> morning
Oct 03 12:00:48 <Stskeeps> how's the hacking going, warzon?
Oct 03 12:02:30 <warzon> i'll write you letter about the results of hacking. now we have some questions about your experience with powervr
Oct 03 12:02:56 <warzon> we testing libhybris on beaglebone
Oct 03 12:03:15 <warzon> what did you wrote in /etc/powevr.init?
Oct 03 12:03:28 <warzon> sorry /etc/powervr.init
Oct 03 12:03:39 <Stskeeps> i think morphis would know, i haven't touched omap4 in this area
Oct 03 12:03:39 <warzon>  /etc/powervr.ini
Oct 03 12:08:21 <warzon> Stskeeps: thanks a lot for helping us
Oct 03 12:08:46 <Stskeeps> no worries, you're helping me as well by testing the code on various hw
Oct 03 12:09:33 <warzon> i will write to morphis today about powervr, test_egl app segfaults in libEGL.so .
Oct 03 12:11:52 <warzon> will be interesting to test it on tegra. searching for hardware now
Oct 03 12:12:07 <Stskeeps> you might need pvrsrvinit to run on pvr
Oct 03 12:12:08 <Stskeeps> fwiw
Oct 03 12:13:01 <warzon> we use it
Oct 03 12:13:52 <Stskeeps> k
Oct 03 12:14:02 <Stskeeps> and tried 32 -> 16?
Oct 03 12:14:39 <warzon> good idea
Oct 03 12:22:32 <warzon> Stskeeps: what kernel are you using on hp touchpad with mer? i saw your video on youtube
Oct 03 12:22:50 <Stskeeps> warzon: hp-touchpad-tenderloin from cm-something
Oct 03 12:22:52 <Stskeeps> gingerbread
Oct 03 12:23:11 <warzon> thanks
Oct 03 12:23:53 <warzon> it's 2.6.35 kernel as i know, is systemd working normally?
Oct 03 12:24:12 <Stskeeps> yes, it works for what i need it to work for
Oct 03 12:47:48 <warzon> i'm leaving , will be later
Oct 03 15:03:59 <GodGinrai> ~utc
Oct 03 15:04:24 <GodGinrai> oh wait, it was ugt, wasn't it
Oct 03 15:04:30 <GodGinrai> ~ugt
Oct 03 15:04:31 <WoceBot> rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Oct 03 17:24:05 <stroughtonsmith> hai
Oct 03 17:24:20 <Stskeeps> hailo
Oct 03 17:24:27 <stroughtonsmith> hey Stskeeps
Oct 03 17:24:35 <stroughtonsmith> I hear you guys are rich already? :P
Oct 03 17:25:28 <Stskeeps> stroughtonsmith: journalists are crap these days, but yes, i'm not complaining about my own situation
Oct 03 17:25:31 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 03 17:25:36 <stroughtonsmith> :D
Oct 03 17:25:57 * Stskeeps made his money as a mobile linux consultant
Oct 03 17:25:58 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 03 17:29:11 <stroughtonsmith> gee if only there were a company making a mobile linux these days
Oct 03 17:30:45 <ka6sox-away> BaZing!
Oct 03 17:31:10 <stroughtonsmith> howdy ka6sox-away
Oct 03 17:31:18 <stroughtonsmith> ±away
Oct 03 17:31:41 <stroughtonsmith> like my picture? lol
Oct 03 17:32:10 <ka6sox> the S?
Oct 03 17:32:16 <ka6sox> ya, kewl...
Oct 03 17:32:16 <stroughtonsmith> yeah
Oct 03 17:32:26 <ka6sox> we need MOAR!
Oct 03 17:32:32 <stroughtonsmith> I'm starting to think my touchscreen issue is my build of webos
Oct 03 17:32:39 <stroughtonsmith> because I built for qemu
Oct 03 17:32:43 <stroughtonsmith> rather than a specific device target
Oct 03 17:33:01 <stroughtonsmith> because on all my devices I can cat the eventX and have it spit out my touch events
Oct 03 17:39:06 <penk_> stroughtonsmith: do you see events by evtest?
Oct 03 17:39:15 <penk_> stroughtonsmith: might be Xorg input driver issue
Oct 03 17:39:29 <stroughtonsmith> evtest isn't in the owo build
Oct 03 17:39:41 <stroughtonsmith> and there's no xorg
Oct 03 17:39:42 <ka6sox> I really hope we are not trying to use x11 events...since we don't use x11
Oct 03 17:39:46 <GodGinrai> touchscreen still not working?
Oct 03 17:39:58 <stroughtonsmith> mmm
Oct 03 17:40:22 <ka6sox> GodGinrai, miracles take a bit more time than 24hrs...
Oct 03 17:40:31 <penk_> stroughtonsmith: ah the OE build
Oct 03 17:40:38 <penk_> stroughtonsmith: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/armel/evtest/download
Oct 03 17:40:59 <stroughtonsmith> but yes, I know the event nodes are working
Oct 03 17:41:01 <ka6sox> penk_, how does that relate to OE?
Oct 03 17:41:09 <stroughtonsmith> cat shows patterns when I touch
Oct 03 17:41:35 <penk_> ka6sox: I thought it's desktop build issue, which is using Xorg
Oct 03 17:41:57 <GodGinrai> ka6sox: I realize that.  I was just making sure that's the current topic that was being discussed
Oct 03 17:41:59 <ka6sox> oh, I think he is working on OE builds for this.
Oct 03 17:42:07 <ka6sox> he he
Oct 03 17:42:46 <stroughtonsmith> just plugged my ubuntu HD into my PC. BUILDING TIME! Stskeeps : the last time I had this plugged in was when I was building meego.
Oct 03 17:42:58 <Stskeeps> stroughtonsmith: hehe, good times
Oct 03 17:43:12 <stroughtonsmith> yeah :D
Oct 03 17:43:54 <stroughtonsmith> Must upgrade it to Precise Pangolin…
Oct 03 17:44:50 <stroughtonsmith> I bet my MeeGo build trees would still work. Snapdragon GL drivers and all that
Oct 03 17:46:01 <Stskeeps> stroughtonsmith: it's partly you and somebody else's fault that i went into my libhybris thing, i didn't think we'd have to resort to weird blobs from weird origins :P
Oct 03 17:46:09 <Stskeeps> for snapdragon support
Oct 03 17:46:22 <stroughtonsmith> libhybris is a really cool idea tbh
Oct 03 17:46:47 <stroughtonsmith> a developer I know is working on a Darwin/xnu port to Linux, and was going to use similar translation methods for GL
Oct 03 17:46:58 <stroughtonsmith> (yes. xnu on Linux. it works.)
Oct 03 17:47:23 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Oct 03 17:47:54 <stroughtonsmith> http://crna.cc/magenta_source.html
Oct 03 17:47:56 <stroughtonsmith> actually works
Oct 03 17:48:01 <Stskeeps> yeah, i've heard about it
Oct 03 17:48:02 <stroughtonsmith> is an iOS reimplementation
Oct 03 17:48:04 <stroughtonsmith> on the Linux kernel
Oct 03 17:48:16 <stroughtonsmith> you two should talk :P
Oct 03 17:48:17 <stroughtonsmith> haha
Oct 03 17:49:44 <Stskeeps> my story went along lines of "ok, so android adds annoying -1 values to .init sections automatically, should i patch this in glibc linker.. hmm, i wonder if i can build the android linker on glibc.. well that's funny, i can link a .so just fine. let's try to load the entire thing! bam, :P
Oct 03 17:50:40 <stroughtonsmith> so what's the success rate?
Oct 03 17:52:22 <Stskeeps> pretty good so far, after we figured out that 1) the tls slot for opengl in android is in a reserved padded area in TLS for glibc and 2) we can move errno location in similar fashion and 3) remove errno to become == glibc errno..
Oct 03 17:52:38 <Stskeeps> has been tested on snapdragon, mali, sgx..
Oct 03 17:53:26 <stroughtonsmith> any vendor specific gotchas?
Oct 03 17:53:36 <Stskeeps> stroughtonsmith: probably some
Oct 03 17:53:38 <Stskeeps> it's early days
Oct 03 17:53:43 <Stskeeps> but still much better than 3 months ago
Oct 03 17:53:54 <Stskeeps> where there was no hope of anything for non-android systems
Oct 03 17:54:00 <stroughtonsmith> it's rather exciting
Oct 03 17:54:23 <stroughtonsmith> it makes total sense to leverage the proprietary stuff vendors make for Android
Oct 03 17:54:27 <stroughtonsmith> instead of building your own
Oct 03 17:54:44 <Stskeeps> from a ODM pov the amount you get that's actually closed source is minimal
Oct 03 17:54:49 <stroughtonsmith> is there anything more than 3D you've tried it for?
Oct 03 17:54:52 <Stskeeps> community pov it's a bit worse
Oct 03 17:54:58 <Stskeeps> well, somebody has tried libsensors etc too
Oct 03 17:55:44 <stroughtonsmith> and you have all the source on github? or is that out of sync with private dev
Oct 03 17:55:56 <Stskeeps> i have a few patches i want to send up once i've validated them
Oct 03 17:56:32 <stroughtonsmith> I presume you've been targeting Mer mainly?
Oct 03 17:57:35 <Stskeeps> yeah, but it'd be silly to make it mer only - i think mer will win with the integration ease, mobile suitability and ability to scale up operations, so i'd rather fight on that part instead of not taking advantage of the ability to have many communities testing and fixing libhybris :)
Oct 03 17:58:02 <Stskeeps> and using, that is
Oct 03 17:58:15 <stroughtonsmith> gotcha
Oct 03 17:58:34 <stroughtonsmith> so what you do is you create a dummy libEGL and map everything to a bionic-based libEGL on the filesystem? or do you do any wrapping of binaries
Oct 03 17:59:01 <stroughtonsmith> where do the originals go, rather?
Oct 03 17:59:13 <stroughtonsmith> (just looking through your github now)
Oct 03 17:59:15 <Stskeeps> we have to overwrite libc.so and a few other libraries with custom patched once
Oct 03 17:59:18 <Stskeeps> s
Oct 03 17:59:22 <Stskeeps> which is fine, they're oss
Oct 03 17:59:41 <stroughtonsmith> you do this in code, on the binary, or in memory?
Oct 03 17:59:51 <Stskeeps> code, build with android tools
Oct 03 17:59:56 <stroughtonsmith> gotcha
Oct 03 17:59:59 <Stskeeps> and then the libegl is essentially a wrapper that uses libhybris to dlopen the android libegl
Oct 03 18:00:25 <Stskeeps> and load it into memory, replacing symbol bindings with glibc onesa
Oct 03 18:00:35 <Stskeeps> and a few glue functions for ABI incompatible stuff
Oct 03 18:00:38 <Stskeeps> think pthread_t etc
Oct 03 18:00:58 <stroughtonsmith> nice
Oct 03 18:01:04 <stroughtonsmith> and you're working on x86 too? cool
Oct 03 18:01:24 <Stskeeps> i haven't tested that part, though, but it's useful for development
Oct 03 18:01:29 <ka6sox> stroughtonsmith, what kernel are you using for the S?
Oct 03 18:01:37 <stroughtonsmith> ka6sox: I've tried like 6
Oct 03 18:01:48 <stroughtonsmith> 2.6, 3.0.x, variants in between
Oct 03 18:01:51 <stroughtonsmith> some for linux, some for android
Oct 03 18:01:59 <stroughtonsmith> 3.x android kernels needed some userland stuff to turn on adb
Oct 03 18:02:10 <ka6sox> try the crespo one in meta-samsung
Oct 03 18:02:20 <ka6sox> iirc its 3.0.x
Oct 03 18:02:48 <stroughtonsmith> ok, upgrading my ubuntu box then gonna download a fresh build tree
Oct 03 18:02:56 <stroughtonsmith> and set it up specifically
Oct 03 18:03:02 <stroughtonsmith> instead of qemuing it
Oct 03 18:03:28 <stroughtonsmith> about 1.5 hours on the ubuntu upgrade
Oct 03 18:03:31 <Stskeeps> stroughtonsmith: i'm really apalled by the fact that because of weird android mess, wpa supplicant links into my egl using process..
Oct 03 18:03:32 <ka6sox> iirc you might need some of the qemu bits for nyx-modules
Oct 03 18:03:33 <stroughtonsmith> then probably 6 or so on the build
Oct 03 18:03:33 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 03 18:03:41 <stroughtonsmith> Stskeeps: wat.
Oct 03 18:03:54 <Stskeeps> stroughtonsmith: yes, libhardware or libhardware_legacy -> libwpasupplicant..
Oct 03 18:04:01 <stroughtonsmith> lool
Oct 03 18:04:14 <stroughtonsmith> ka6sox: I'll cross that bridge when I come to it
Oct 03 18:04:20 <Stskeeps> stroughtonsmith: after seeing that i knew i wanted to rid the world of this android thing..
Oct 03 18:04:23 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 03 18:04:27 <stroughtonsmith> and I have a five day weekend, so might actually have a shot at making something
Oct 03 18:04:32 <stroughtonsmith> Stskeeps: :D
Oct 03 19:19:55 <Tofe> Hello
Oct 03 19:20:12 <Tofe> Stskeeps: is there someone who has started thinking on a port of openwebos to Mer ?
Oct 03 19:24:07 <warzon> Tofe: what do you mean?
Oct 03 19:24:36 <warzon> building openwebos on mer
Oct 03 19:26:14 <Tofe> Well, I must say I don't know much on openwebos, furthermore on porting it. I hope my question makes sense, i.e. openwebos doesn't necessarily rely on specific kernel+tools stack, but can be built for an existing kernel+X+tools stack, like Mer
Oct 03 19:28:16 <Tofe> But as it is possible to build openwebos on Ubuntu, I guess it makes sense to build it on Mer, and implement the nyx modules for one specific hardware Mer target
Oct 03 19:29:16 <Tofe> (or maybe it's even possible to make it mostly hardware independant, thanks to OpenGL ES and Mer)
Oct 03 19:34:13 <Tofe> As you see, I don't even know if openwebos uses X for its display, or even if X would be part of openwebos, or part of the target architecture
Oct 03 19:36:18 <Tofe> my fault: I didn't see the beautiful architecture image on the website :)
Oct 03 19:52:19 <warzon> as far as i know , openwebos don't use X on embedded devices. only desktop version rely on X
Oct 03 19:52:55 <warzon> i think it's possible to build openwebos in another build system
Oct 03 19:53:50 <warzon> but you nead to reimplement all recipes , for example , as specs for rpm or something else
Oct 03 19:54:09 <PatrickC> what's goin on people?
Oct 03 19:54:40 <warzon> Tofe asking about theoretical ability of building owebos on mer
Oct 03 19:56:32 <Stskeeps> Tofe: it'd be nonsensical to use X, eglfs/wayland in qt QPA though but sure, i wouldn't mind seeing the webos upper stack packaged, though it'd make a lot more sense with qt5
Oct 03 19:57:35 <Tofe> Ok, well, I think I understand
Oct 03 19:57:52 <Stskeeps> it's however also work, packaging needed, following upstream, etc
Oct 03 19:57:59 <Stskeeps> dealing with the differences in underlying components used..
Oct 03 19:58:25 <Tofe> yes, it's a big work to make pieces fit together in the long term
Oct 03 20:24:47 <Tofe> Ok well, thanks and goodbye !
Oct 03 20:35:13 <EricBlade_> hey guys
Oct 03 20:37:18 <Aardvarkeng> 'mornin
Oct 03 20:38:27 <EricBlade_> howdy sir Aardvarkeng
Oct 03 20:39:35 <Aardvarkeng> how are you today?
Oct 03 20:41:48 <EricBlade_> good good
Oct 03 20:42:50 <Aardvarkeng> :o)
Oct 03 22:15:13 * EricBlade_ yawns
Oct 03 22:16:12 <ShiftyAxel> agreed
Oct 03 22:39:37 <EricBlade_> wow, i just got questioned for several minutes about a #ifdef
Oct 03 22:39:58 <EricBlade_> i was trying to defend it, but it turns out i needed to explain it
Oct 03 22:43:07 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 03 22:49:59 <EricBlade_> using || in #if is confusing to some people i guess
Oct 03 22:51:08 <ShiftyAxel> b00m
Oct 03 22:51:19 <EricBlade_> b00m goes the ShiftyAxel
Oct 03 22:57:48 <EricBlade_> yay i got another patch in
Oct 03 22:58:02 <EricBlade_> now your preferences services have a chance of working
Oct 03 22:58:56 <EricBlade_> someone's taking the webkit x64 patch that i paraphrased from panda-z too
Oct 03 23:12:32 <EricBlade> yay i finally managed to log myself out :-S
Oct 03 23:56:05 <ka6sox-away> evening
Oct 04 00:15:12 <doogles> hello
Oct 04 00:15:42 <doogles> is this http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_build_Instructions == http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/317427-lunace-4-x.html
Oct 04 00:18:24 <ka6sox> doogles, are you wanting to install or build it?
Oct 04 00:18:30 <doogles> install
Oct 04 00:18:47 <doogles> I was just wondering if the build instructions we get me what I get in preware
Oct 04 00:19:01 <ka6sox> should.
Oct 04 00:19:10 <doogles> ok cool thanks
Oct 04 00:19:13 <ka6sox> depending upon what tag you build.
Oct 04 00:20:16 <doogles> its been a while since I've played :)
Oct 04 00:20:42 <ka6sox> I hope you have fun..if you fix any bugs be sure to issue a pull request!
Oct 04 00:53:49 <bhuey> hey ka6sox
Oct 04 01:04:08 <bhuey> it begins
Oct 04 01:23:40 <ka6sox> bhuey, what begins?
Oct 04 01:54:32 <bhuey> debates
Oct 04 01:54:42 <bhuey> it's kind of haphazard
Oct 04 02:53:16 <Guest74788> Hey everyone, I promised some people that I would come in here and talk a little bit on behalf of PIC.
Oct 04 02:54:23 <MattZakutny> :)
Oct 04 02:57:20 <PatrickC> hey MattZakutny!!!
Oct 04 02:57:38 <MattZakutny> Sadly, i'm not aware of everyones time frame so i'm not entirely sure this is the best time to get involved with a discussion.
Oct 04 02:57:42 <MattZakutny> Hey Patrick :)
Oct 04 02:57:51 <PatrickC> ka6sox: you around?
Oct 04 02:59:51 <scoutcamper> ka6sox is the one to talk to MattZakutny
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