**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 09 02:59:59 2012 Oct 09 03:54:57 somewhat OT: my pre3 has been on a touchstone that isn't plugged in, all day, and has drained hardly any battery power. Oct 09 03:55:05 * EricBlade is now very confused. Oct 09 03:58:08 The Pre3 can last for a few days if it's not doing much. Oct 09 03:58:31 EricBlade: Yeah, doing that expansion now. Oct 09 03:58:45 Unclear how to expand partition in Ubuntu. Hope I figure that out. :/ Oct 09 04:15:39 cool, my gnex build completed Oct 09 04:15:43 on F17 Oct 09 04:15:59 I guess "yum install perl-version" did fix it Oct 09 04:18:31 and it only took 44GB Oct 09 04:40:24 not bad Oct 09 04:45:45 ~asktoask Oct 09 04:45:45 from memory, asktoask is Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. Oct 09 04:45:57 I have problem regarding running webos in qemu Oct 09 04:46:08 can anybody help me out in this Oct 09 04:46:20 tell us the issue please. Oct 09 04:49:26 okay we are trying to run webos SDK images on qemu. Everything is fine but mouse is not working. Can you please help us out Oct 09 04:51:34 I do not know but there are more people here...so wait for an answer. Oct 09 04:59:29 harsha_: umm.. what do you mean? Oct 09 04:59:57 ka6sox: does gnex build also use the state cache that a regular build does? Oct 09 05:01:24 EricBlade: I will tell in detail. The default emulator for webos is virtual box right ? I took the vmdk and iso images of virtual box and trying to run in qemu. But mouse is not working. Oct 09 05:01:51 its own Oct 09 05:01:59 EricBlade, its own sstate Oct 09 05:02:03 harsha_: ok, what are you trying to achieve, overall? because whatever it is you're probably doing it the wrong way Oct 09 05:04:33 EricBlade: I want my application to run on qemu and qemu has a lot of debugging features. Can you please guide us how to run those images on qemu ? Oct 09 05:06:08 harsha_: you mean, you're trying to switch the emulator used for the webOS 3.0.5 image to QEMU, because it will somehow help you debug something in an application? Oct 09 05:07:29 i'm trying to understand, because we're on a channel that is regarding porting webos to other devices Oct 09 05:07:37 so i want to make sure we're talking about the same things Oct 09 05:09:15 EricBlade: my basic intention is to port webos on qemu Oct 09 05:09:38 harsha_: Open webOS already uses qemu Oct 09 05:10:08 Yea I know but I want to run the older SDK images :( Oct 09 05:10:49 ok, so i do understand you correctly. i don't understand why you would want to do that, since vbox is much, much, much, much, much faster Oct 09 05:11:27 i can use virtualbox to actually emulate a useable system .. qemu is so slow i can't imagine using it for anything Oct 09 05:12:02 ka6sox: you ran my virtualbox out of drive space! again! Oct 09 05:12:04 the big one! Oct 09 05:12:21 EricBlade, its my fault? Oct 09 05:12:28 yup. somehow. Oct 09 05:12:51 EricBlade: but my final requirement is running it on qemu. Is there any possible way ? Oct 09 05:13:33 harsha_: i have no idea. considering that mouse support works inside the image itself (there's just no pointer), my guess is that it's some kind of configuration issue related to your qemu setup Oct 09 05:13:39 EricBlade: That is kind of an assignment for me. I should do it Oct 09 05:14:43 EricBlade: I dont think so bcz ubuntu and Tizen are running succesfully on qemu. I think it is something related to WebOS iternels itself Oct 09 05:15:53 harsha_, it *ALREADY* does that. Oct 09 05:16:18 harsha_: i don't know of anyone who's done it, and my qemu worked with open webos out of the "box", so i really don't know.. i've never had to configure qemu Oct 09 05:16:59 but my guess is that since the VBox emulator already recognizes mouse input, that it's not the image .. unless maybe the mouse emulation is different between them or something Oct 09 05:19:36 ka6sox: yea open WebOS runs on qemu but I am talking abt SDK images 3.0.5 Oct 09 05:21:34 NO Oct 09 05:21:57 you cant' distribute that. Oct 09 05:22:31 +ka6sox: I did not get you Oct 09 05:24:41 why are you looking backwards? Oct 09 05:24:48 just curious Oct 09 05:25:56 +ka6sox: it is kind of an assignment we started our work even before openwebos was released I should complete it now Oct 09 05:26:26 out of sheer curiosity who is "we"? Oct 09 05:27:13 +scoutcamper: me and my friends Oct 09 05:28:42 I dont' think we can help you much as we are working with Open Source stuff an not proprietary... Oct 09 05:29:12 s/an/and/ Oct 09 05:29:13 ka6sox meant: I dont' think we cand help you much as we are working with Open Source stuff an not proprietary... Oct 09 05:29:37 i didn't think he was distributing it. in any case, yeah, if i knew anyone who'd done it, i'd point you to them, but Palm switched to VBox a long time ago, and I think the only reason they switched back is because qemu is a more flexible emulator of platforms, not because it's better for the end user Oct 09 05:29:49 ^^ that's just a hypthoesis on my part Oct 09 05:32:53 i bet clearing 531MB off won't help me here Oct 09 05:33:07 I am just a student and I am trying it for academic purposes I have no other intention :D Oct 09 05:33:13 i should probably just dedicated this 500GB USB drive to building Oct 09 05:36:04 harsha_, I understand, but that is like beating a DEAD Horse Oct 09 05:47:50 hmm. i think the next LG Nexus might be a good target. Oct 09 05:52:31 lets get thru this one too. Oct 09 05:52:43 s/too/first/ Oct 09 05:52:43 ka6sox meant: lets get thru this one first. Oct 09 05:53:02 but that one is so old Oct 09 05:53:05 :) Oct 09 05:53:13 pffft Oct 09 05:54:22 heh Oct 09 05:55:36 I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK Oct 09 06:02:28 heh Oct 09 06:10:47 i was playing with a direct Ubuntu installation last night to see if I could get it working right, and just dedicated about a 750gig partition to it, but that didn't work out very well at all Oct 09 06:14:34 EricBlade, I'm sorry...you need a 4TB RAID10 Oct 09 06:14:50 and a computer with Linux friendly hardware Oct 09 06:15:03 true Oct 09 06:16:24 i should really just make it a seperate computer, though, because i just cannot deal with desktop linux anymore Oct 09 06:16:54 its a TOOL... Oct 09 06:19:52 yes yes. a seperate machine would be nice, though. VM is sloooow, and i don't want to reboot Oct 09 06:20:56 yup Oct 09 06:26:55 folks Oct 09 06:30:04 bhuey Oct 09 06:32:25 hey Oct 09 07:45:15 Hello Oct 09 07:58:26 hello Oct 09 07:59:23 morning Oct 09 08:00:09 dialog re: GL and Cards... Oct 09 08:00:12 its happening Oct 09 08:06:23 i.e. GL on the nexus ? Oct 09 08:06:38 yes Oct 09 08:06:44 Google Nexus Oct 09 08:06:44 great Oct 09 08:07:47 I'll try to follow that, in case it influences the way I may incorporate the tegra2 GL libs in opwebos Oct 09 08:08:07 ka6sox, great to hear, how? Oct 09 08:08:44 lilstevie, mostly starting to explain why we are having issues and how we can work with HP to get them resolved Oct 09 08:08:54 Tofe, what target? Oct 09 08:09:00 ka6sox, ah cool Oct 09 08:12:51 ka6sox: iconia a500 tablet Oct 09 08:13:28 very similar HW as the nexus, apart from the GPU Oct 09 08:13:46 well and minus 2 cores, and the ninja core and NEON Oct 09 08:13:49 but :p Oct 09 08:14:14 it's a Cortex A9 as well -- doesn't it support NEON ? Oct 09 08:14:38 I thought it was just an extension name for the cortex A8 Oct 09 08:14:38 no, tegra2 does not support NEON Oct 09 08:14:44 oh... Oct 09 08:14:59 That may explain why my rootfs doesn't boot, then p Oct 09 08:16:02 time for bed..nite all Oct 09 08:16:10 nite ka6sox-away Oct 09 08:16:13 nite Oct 09 08:16:17 later Oct 09 08:16:32 Tofe, if you compiled with neon then yes Oct 09 08:18:48 yes... I saw this option in the tuna machine, but I thought it was a minor extension... I was so wrong Oct 09 08:19:17 Ok, well, let's go for another full recompilation. yeppee Oct 09 08:20:44 By the way, is the tuna machine compiled in armel or armhf ? Oct 09 08:21:54 l Oct 09 08:21:55 el Oct 09 08:22:24 Okay. Is it possible today to compile/run owebos in armhf ? Did someone try ? Oct 09 08:22:52 I haven't tried but you can just change DEFAUTTUNE to use armhf and disable neon Oct 09 08:23:35 Yes, that's what I had in mind; ok thanks, now let's just have coffee for the next 6 hours Oct 09 08:26:45 Removing tmp-eglibc will trigger the whole recompilation, doesn't it Oct 09 08:34:13 yes Oct 09 08:34:36 Tofe: but you can keep cross toolchain Oct 09 08:39:35 JaMa: sure Oct 09 09:27:59 EricBlade: do you still have log with that Fetcher ERROR for sstate package? (e.g. in tmpdir-eglibc/log/cooker/date)? Please attach it here https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3250 or send it to me if you don't want to register there, It would be even better if you can reproduce it again with -DDD in bitbake cmdline Oct 09 09:28:32 or anyone else seeing this ^^ Oct 09 12:39:12 When, in the future, I would want to publish my target configuration on githut, what would be best ? Maybe simply fork meta-smartphone ? Oct 09 12:40:38 Well, anyway, that's not really for tomorrow Oct 09 12:41:11 And if you prefer that I stick to a simple howto guide, I can also do that Oct 09 15:51:27 * halfhalo does a dance Oct 09 15:51:37 ... Oct 09 15:51:53 halfhalo: Skip right to 'get down tonight' Oct 09 15:52:03 hah Oct 09 15:52:31 Roy__, you are showing your age! Oct 09 15:52:44 I have been hunting for the one place on campus with sprinkly donuts. Oct 09 15:52:53 Down to the last place as of this morning Oct 09 15:53:10 So… sort of like the quest for the holy grail… only for pastries. Oct 09 15:53:18 yes Oct 09 15:54:33 I also just remembered that my csun work computer has speakers…. Hmmm Oct 09 15:55:40 Also, its raining. Oct 09 15:55:48 wha? Oct 09 15:56:04 * ka6sox is now glad he didn't go to Snow Peak today.... Oct 09 15:56:16 Inorit Oct 09 16:21:57 Tofe: yes fork meta-smartphone and send us pull request Oct 09 16:32:23 ewwww sprinkles Oct 09 16:39:41 Ok, now TUNE_FEATURES = "armv7a vfp thumb callconvention-hard cortexa9" hopefully corresponds to my A500 tablet... wonderful to build an entire OS without even knowing what kind of CPU is the target... hum. Oct 09 16:42:01 Tofe, it means that you can switch targets easily (well...thats the hope) Oct 09 16:42:57 ka6sox: yes, I do agree. It is really easy, so far I've only modified one conf file ! Oct 09 16:43:28 thats the power of OpenEmbedded :D Oct 09 16:43:32 :p Oct 09 16:44:06 is meta-smartphone meant to also contain tablet targets ? Oct 09 16:44:22 I recently had a project we did on armel and the final target was MIPS-BE Oct 09 16:44:39 I don't own that one...ask Morphis when you see him. Oct 09 16:45:59 I still am not able to start owebos, but I already like the bases it is built on Oct 09 17:09:04 why is there "keyboard" in the MACHINE_FEATURES of the tuna ? what does it mean ? Oct 09 17:13:58 heyho Oct 09 17:14:10 Stskeeps: ping Oct 09 17:14:27 morphis: plonk Oct 09 17:15:03 Stskeeps: have some questions :) Oct 09 17:15:13 ok, ask away Oct 09 17:15:22 looked a little bit into the details of the rendering structure, mainly of EGL on android Oct 09 17:16:23 you mentioned we would need some buffering to accomplish what we need Oct 09 17:17:00 so we need a central daemon which manages the FramebufferNativeWindow and allocates one main surface for rendering Oct 09 17:17:50 then other client processes can allocated surface via some IPC mechanism and rendering just to a buffer which is then transfered to the central instance which display this within the main surface Oct 09 17:18:19 correct Oct 09 17:18:22 or gpu buffer id Oct 09 17:18:40 gpu buffer id? Oct 09 17:18:51 well, handle Oct 09 17:18:57 ok Oct 09 17:19:10 I am bit lost with concrete implementation approaches Oct 09 17:19:50 start with example programmes that share a buffer i guess Oct 09 17:19:54 leave out the rest Oct 09 17:19:59 ok Oct 09 17:20:12 ok lets start with a simple example Oct 09 17:20:27 first process create a FramebufferWindow and allocates the main surface Oct 09 17:20:56 then the second process starts up and uses some IPC mechanism to aquire a buffer for rendering Oct 09 17:21:15 but the second process needs a EGLNativeWindow for rendering Oct 09 17:21:20 how can I initialize this? Oct 09 17:21:35 as I can't setup a second FrameBufferNativeWindow in the second process Oct 09 17:21:45 so eglCreateWindowSurface will fail without a window Oct 09 17:24:57 and inside the android libEGL implementation we need a NativeWindow for eglCreateWindowSurface Oct 09 17:25:06 some stub implementation for NativeWindow? Oct 09 17:25:47 probably yes Oct 09 17:25:54 ok Oct 09 17:26:20 maybe wayland already has something like this for it's android implementation? Oct 09 17:26:34 yes, didn't i give links?? Oct 09 17:26:37 er Oct 09 17:26:37 ? Oct 09 17:27:01 * Stskeeps is visiting finland and it's raining, :P Oct 09 17:27:34 FInland, Finland, Finland... Oct 09 17:28:31 Stskeeps: yes, you gave Oct 09 17:28:49 Stskeeps: http://mirror.yongbok.net/pub/linux/android/repository/system/core/include/system/window.h looks like a good overview how a ANativeWindow looks like Oct 09 17:29:09 :nod: Oct 09 17:29:33 be aware that anativewindow has switched definiton Oct 09 17:30:03 ? Oct 09 17:30:20 ie, that it's different in ics/jb than in gingerbread Oct 09 17:30:32 ok Oct 09 17:33:19 ah http://cgit.collabora.com/git/android/platform/frameworks/base.git/ looks interesting Oct 09 17:33:37 Stskeeps: what are common techniques here to share rendering buffers? Oct 09 17:37:53 well, that's where wayland comes in Oct 09 17:38:01 you can send a id across the wire in a socket if you want Oct 09 17:38:02 P Oct 09 17:41:42 Stskeeps: ok, but where do we hold the buffers? Oct 09 17:47:17 Stskeeps: just some shared memory area? Oct 09 17:48:52 Stskeeps: http://elinux.org/Android_Kernel_Features#ashmem ? Oct 09 17:48:57 morphis: they're just handles, typically integer Oct 09 17:49:36 yeah but handles to some buffer which is hold somewhere in memory Oct 09 17:49:42 in graphics chip memory? Oct 09 17:50:49 or in device memory? Oct 09 17:54:09 yeah Oct 09 17:54:14 in graphics chip memory Oct 09 17:54:28 but the allocation is triggered by the libEGL implementation of the vendor? Oct 09 17:54:37 it's triggered by gralloc Oct 09 17:55:11 ok Oct 09 17:55:17 Stskeeps: look here http://source-android.frandroid.com/frameworks/base/opengl/libs/EGL/eglApi.cpp Oct 09 17:55:27 at the implementation of eglCreateWindowSurface Oct 09 17:55:55 so I have to stub the window class implementation to communicate with the main process to get this working Oct 09 17:57:11 maybe Oct 09 17:57:15 * Stskeeps has to go again, still at work.. Oct 09 17:57:15 :P Oct 09 17:57:54 One more mug of coffee... Oct 09 17:58:22 Stskeeps: ok, but thanks a lot for this Oct 09 18:40:43 hi Oct 09 18:41:15 yo Oct 09 18:42:34 Garfonso: heyho Oct 09 18:42:39 Garfonso: read your mail Oct 09 18:42:46 we need any help we can get :) Oct 09 18:43:23 great. :) Oct 09 18:43:46 I would say first step would be to get the webos-ports build environment up and running Oct 09 18:44:33 I have once compiled the whole image for the nexus. Oct 09 18:45:02 with the webos-ports environment or build-webos? Oct 09 18:45:06 ah ok Oct 09 18:45:15 so you're ready to get it onto the device Oct 09 18:45:43 webos-ports environment. Basically I did all steps from the wiki: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Galaxy_Nexus_Build_Setup Oct 09 18:46:13 what is the difference between webos-image and webos-dev-image? ;) Oct 09 18:46:40 the dev images contains some development tools like gdb Oct 09 18:56:03 Basically, libgles-android and libgles-omap4 are providing quite the same thing, aren't they ? Oct 09 18:56:20 Tofe: in theory yes Oct 09 18:56:24 they should be Oct 09 18:56:45 they are providing different implementations for the same thing Oct 09 18:56:52 Ok. I prefer the "-omap4" method, though :) Oct 09 18:56:56 from what I understood, gles is a well defined subset of OpenGL instructions. Oct 09 18:57:06 egl may differ, though. Oct 09 18:57:46 egl is just the platform layer Oct 09 18:57:51 gles is the opengl subset Oct 09 18:58:10 and libgles-android is the hybrid approach we're using inside webos-ports for the galaxy nexus Oct 09 18:58:25 libgles-omap4 provides glibc binaries ubuntu is providing but we can't use them Oct 09 18:58:44 Tofe: both are in meta-samsung but you will no be able to use libgles-omap4 Oct 09 18:58:54 oh, yes, that is sure :) Oct 09 18:59:06 I have my GLES binaries too, don't worry :p Oct 09 18:59:32 for what? Oct 09 18:59:45 for T20 and T30 tegra2 devices Oct 09 19:00:21 ok Oct 09 19:01:04 I did not really get that libhybris thing, yet... why is that? Oct 09 19:01:22 this is loading some android binaries but replaces certain symbols? Oct 09 19:03:28 Garfonso: yes, it loads android libraries which are linked against bionic libc but exchanges the needed symbols to use glibc ones Oct 09 19:03:37 so we're able to use them in a glibc environment Oct 09 19:03:48 Garfonso: please see PM Oct 09 19:24:23 Garfonso: the problem we have isn't related to Open GL or GLES Oct 09 19:25:03 it's more about the rendering pipeline Oct 09 19:25:19 and the circumstance that we're using libhybris Oct 09 19:42:41 yeah... it seems a bit complicated how the card acceleration works. Oct 09 19:43:04 could you point me to the source code parts that are responsible for that? Oct 09 19:45:02 you mean in luna-sysmgr? Oct 09 19:45:09 yes Oct 09 19:45:27 look in Src/webbase/ Oct 09 19:48:54 look at RemoteWindowData*.cpp Oct 09 19:50:19 it's very complicated yes Oct 09 19:50:31 it takes me already some hours trying to understand everything Oct 09 19:51:30 Garfonso: the most important thing is that there are two processes Oct 09 19:51:31 hm.. k. Oct 09 19:51:39 on for the main ui and one for the cards Oct 09 19:51:47 both are doing accelerated rendering Oct 09 19:52:00 but the webappmanager (does cards handling) renders to a buffer Oct 09 19:52:07 which is then shared with main process via IPC Oct 09 19:52:07 The second process isn't only for the cards, its for anything that webkit does Oct 09 19:52:24 halfhalo: yes Oct 09 19:52:38 so everything webkit renders is done in the second process Oct 09 19:52:41 Which threw me for a loop earlier. Oct 09 19:52:43 and it renders to a buffer Oct 09 19:52:47 hmm. it's probably bad when i startup webos desktop and I get "You need to restart your device. After restart, sign in to your webOS Account to restore backed up data." Oct 09 19:53:24 Garfonso: current problem is that we can use more than one process for rendering as rendering infrastructure we're using doesn't allows this Oct 09 19:53:32 so we have to implement some sharing Oct 09 19:53:45 like first process gets full access Oct 09 19:53:53 EricBlade, burp Oct 09 19:53:58 and every other process can just render to buffer Oct 09 19:54:02 anyway I have to leave Oct 09 19:54:11 bye Oct 09 20:01:34 bye morphis. Oct 09 20:01:40 I'll try to get into the code... ;) Oct 09 20:06:17 bye morphis Oct 09 20:06:22 Garfonso, thanks! Oct 09 20:11:51 woah... unlocking the bootloader even on this "developer device" is some work... That's one thing I'll definitively will miss about webos devices.. Oct 09 20:14:13 Garfonso, which device? I know on my N7 when I unlocked the bootloader it caused a factory reset Oct 09 20:14:37 Galaxy Nexus Oct 09 20:24:01 Garfonso, it's just "fastboot oem unlock" ? Oct 09 20:24:22 yes, but you need to get the right drivers to get there.. Oct 09 20:24:32 ah, you must be on windows Oct 09 20:24:54 my main work PC is windows, yes... Oct 09 20:25:05 for compilation and stuff I currently abuse my server a bit.. ;) Oct 09 20:25:19 on linux there are no driver issues for adb or fastboot Oct 09 20:35:43 yeah.. usb driver stuff is better in linux. Oct 09 20:37:54 how long should it take to boot? Oct 09 20:38:27 with the webos image? I dunno. I have build the gnex image but don't yet have a gnex Oct 09 20:58:46 anybody knows if "OPENGLCOMPOSITED" get's defined during the build for gnex? Oct 09 21:58:04 https://twitter.com/webosports/status/255789032351600640 Oct 09 22:13:14 oh man.. i now have Parallels.. so it should work much better with Ubuntu for building!! :D Oct 09 22:16:57 Garfonso: which device? gnex? Oct 09 22:17:02 whoops Oct 09 22:17:19 thank you so much stupid macbook-tackpad-under-linux making me think scrollback is current... Oct 09 22:17:20 hey ShiftyAxel Oct 09 22:17:27 morning PatrickC Oct 09 22:17:31 morning Oct 09 22:17:41 wait... dualbooting linux and os x on a macbook?! Oct 09 22:17:44 which macbook? Oct 09 22:18:38 more likely virtual box, PatrickC Oct 09 22:18:43 13" early 2011 Oct 09 22:18:49 nope lagoldste, full-on native here :) Oct 09 22:18:57 and not a dualboot either Oct 09 22:18:57 heh. not bad Oct 09 22:19:01 tripleboot, oh yeah Oct 09 22:19:04 haha Oct 09 22:19:07 i hate you Oct 09 22:19:14 and the third os is...? Oct 09 22:19:15 ubuntu doesn't support my macbook native yet :S Oct 09 22:19:19 Win7 Oct 09 22:19:32 morning PatrickC lagoldste Oct 09 22:19:34 believe me, this took an entire weekend of fucking over my filesystem and restoring from backups to make work :p Oct 09 22:19:35 bleh. shoulda been another unix Oct 09 22:19:35 morning ka6sox Oct 09 22:19:41 mr0n, ka6sox Oct 09 22:19:59 finally (hopefully) getting a good build env set up on the macbook Oct 09 22:20:22 win7 runs just fine inside virtual box Oct 09 22:20:36 it does, but runs faster native Oct 09 22:20:58 depends on what you need, i guess Oct 09 22:21:07 indeed Oct 09 22:21:20 yeah Oct 09 22:21:25 i use Windows for development Oct 09 22:21:30 OSX = daily driver, Win7 = games and XNA/CSharp, Ubuntu = OE and webOS Oct 09 22:21:31 and Ubuntu for development Oct 09 22:21:41 dinner time.. bbl Oct 09 22:23:04 my daily driver is solaris. my work laptop is fedora only because neither solaris nor ubuntu would boot on it (damned dell) Oct 09 22:23:24 dang Oct 09 22:23:31 but then again, i am crazy Oct 09 22:23:51 lagoldste, I am certain I have no opinion. Oct 09 22:24:03 * lagoldste hehs at ka6sox Oct 09 22:25:37 ~solaris Oct 09 22:25:37 rumour has it, solaris is the antichrist! AND EVIL! Oct 09 22:25:58 no no- that's microsoft Oct 09 22:26:05 ~microsoft Oct 09 22:26:11 silly bott Oct 09 22:26:14 aww, no entry for microsoft? Oct 09 22:26:25 s/bott/bot/ Oct 09 22:26:26 lagoldste meant: silly bot Oct 09 22:26:42 ~microsoft Oct 09 22:26:42 microsoft is probably the OS that lets you play games at work. TAKE THAT! Oct 09 22:27:55 trololol Oct 09 22:27:55 solaris is not bad... Oct 09 22:28:10 OS's are not EVIL... Oct 09 22:28:20 except sco unix Oct 09 22:28:25 now, *oracle* has pretentions of being the antichrist. and evil. hp is too stupid to even aspire to being evil Oct 09 22:28:49 nah- that's just stupidity in action again Oct 09 22:28:53 sco... memories of user friendly :) Oct 09 22:28:59 OS2/warp was and is and always will be my *least* favorite OS Oct 09 22:30:41 I think MP/M rates up there as my least favourite Oct 09 22:31:38 that is one i have never heard of before Oct 09 22:32:06 similar to CP/M Oct 09 22:33:31 scoutcamper, no complaints about video quality on this one.... Oct 09 22:33:37 :D Oct 09 22:33:54 morphis, had too much caffiene before his shoot. Oct 09 22:34:11 14MP Lica Lens camera on a tripod will do that Oct 09 22:38:17 fxspec06, he he Oct 09 22:43:30 ka6sox: question on the Galaxy: got the OS building fine, but .. now I'm lost. It looks like a zip with a select collection of files is needed as the "ROM" to program the phone, but nothing in the build tree looks appropriate. A stock zip of android 4.1.1 has 70 dirs and 812 files; any of the filesystem images in the build dirs are more like 800 dirs and 6700files..??? Oct 09 22:44:12 ka6sox: and apologies in advance if this is something simple, but I've dug around a bit and not found anything useful Oct 09 22:44:30 solaris is quite good. especially if you need an OS that won't crash Oct 09 22:44:45 (got called away by for-pay work) Oct 09 22:44:50 Oh Solaris, what have they done to you Oct 09 22:45:22 * DrOwl started out as a Solaris sysadmin Oct 09 22:45:36 * lagoldste still is Oct 09 22:45:55 i was till about a year and a half ago Oct 09 22:45:58 and i'm going to off-topic to continue ranting Oct 09 22:46:48 * DrOwl sees what joy can be found flicking through IRC just before bed Oct 09 22:47:52 i thorght Solaris 11 would be the all ending OS of the future... then Oracle happened! Oct 09 22:48:28 i'm keeping an eye on the open indiana fork and various distros Oct 09 22:48:40 since that's where all of sun's top people went Oct 09 22:50:43 i have been considering smartos too Oct 09 22:50:55 if only it had AMD by default Oct 09 22:51:39 but i just discovered on the weekedn that Debian has a freebsd kernal version with ZFS Oct 09 22:52:22 now if only thay had made openWebOS on freeBSD instead! Oct 09 22:53:56 hummmm ZFS on a smart phone Oct 09 23:04:06 zfs is overkill for a smartphone Oct 09 23:04:59 but i love it for servers and for "o shit- i deleted my mail spool" (which i've done. opensolaris' automatic snapshotting saved me) Oct 09 23:05:28 smart os doesn't run on amd? Oct 09 23:06:09 sun's first x86 systems were all amd, so that surprises me Oct 10 00:00:43 (slightly OT) how stable has zfs on freebsd been for you? one of the student orgs around was running that for awhile, they seemed to have some issues with stability on the machine Oct 10 00:01:55 there's a Usenix going on right now Oct 10 00:03:50 in sandyacre... Oct 10 00:50:28 scoutcamper: OS/2 was awesome :P Oct 10 00:50:43 pffft Oct 10 00:51:01 compared to what? ms-dos? Oct 10 00:51:18 compared to DOS and Windows Oct 10 00:51:27 which were your other non-Mac alternatives at the time Oct 10 00:54:41 Xenix Oct 10 00:55:11 Coherent Oct 10 00:56:00 lol Oct 10 00:56:13 MCA - Micro-Channel Architecture Oct 10 00:56:44 MCA wasn't an OS. :P Oct 10 00:57:40 Roy, no...but iirc that was the only OS that had drivers for it. Oct 10 00:57:44 OS/2 Oct 10 01:02:26 congratulations on the virtual gesture area Oct 10 01:07:26 ya, ShiftyAxel|Away has been working on that for a while Oct 10 01:07:58