**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 14 03:00:03 2012 Oct 14 03:11:54 ka6sox: yes Oct 14 03:12:08 bbl Oct 14 04:12:31 folks Oct 14 04:39:32 okay I found the diffs. Oct 14 04:39:47 pcimino did some changes :D Oct 14 05:22:01 wow, lastpass just crashed chromium right out. Oct 14 05:39:58 ka6sox: awesome! :) Oct 14 05:40:53 PatrickC, you really made it difficult to figure out what was what...very confusing commits Oct 14 05:41:18 the only commits i did were the 2 that were the pushing our changes and the one for the disclaimer Oct 14 05:41:27 but the link i sent you should have had better commits Oct 14 05:45:47 the link you sent were the actual commits..mixed in with a bunch of other stuff. Oct 14 05:46:08 yeah.. wasn't done the cleanest way i see Oct 14 05:48:08 really this is quite a mess Oct 14 05:48:46 the only thing unique is buried. Oct 14 05:52:03 ka6sox: thanks for the comment. i'll pass it along to Paul and let him know Oct 14 06:39:15 PatrickC|Sleep: we need to talk urgently. https://github.com/phxdevices/cut-copy-paste/commit/70fa6c6ef878d884bb17bcec606c38b22b2ac4bc contains code from WebOS Ports that you have claimed authorship over with your commit. Oct 14 06:39:45 PatrickC|Sleep: that is completely unacceptable. You must retain other authors' commits as-is, and commit your own changes separately. Oct 14 06:40:36 PatrickC|Sleep: I assume this is not your intention, and will be rectified immediately. Oct 14 06:41:33 You shall ensure that https://github.com/phxdevices/cut-copy-paste/commit/70fa6c6ef878d884bb17bcec606c38b22b2ac4bc is removed from your git repo, and replaced with correctly attributed code from the upstream of your fork Oct 14 06:42:05 PatrickC|Sleep: ping me when it has been corrected Oct 14 07:27:33 PatrickC|Sleep: Hint: "git cherry-pick" will help you. Oct 14 07:41:16 PatrickC|Sleep, that commit makes it look like all the work that shiftyaxel did is your work... Oct 14 07:58:35 maybe.. PatrickC IS ShiftyAxel.... o.O and that would mean, that he is actually smarter than all of us... Oct 14 08:04:45 uh Oct 14 08:28:30 surprised you don't get the obscure reference. i looked for a vid, couldn't find it: fam guy foxy lady; michael moore is actually fred savage. who is also Tony Danza, Camryn Manheim, Malcolm Jamal Warner, Kevin Nealon, John Forsy, and metallica drummer Lars Ulrich. Oct 14 08:47:54 fxspec06_, I'm sure my son would get it...I didn't Oct 14 09:04:49 folks Oct 14 09:06:03 * bhuey heard about something that went on recently of importance Oct 14 10:13:43 morning Oct 14 10:36:18 PatrickC|Sleep: Those commits seem strange to me, the overall intention of adding a magnifier looks good, but why exactly does it revert all of the changes that webOS Ports have made to LunaSysMgr? Oct 14 10:36:53 logically you should be working from the latest sources if a pull request is the intention, not from an old version that would cause merge errors Oct 14 10:39:17 also, why is the repo named cut-copy-paste? naturally that's PIC's call, but it seems insensible to name it that was as opposed to calling it 'LunaSysMgr' and working in a branch called 'cut-copy-paste' Oct 14 10:39:28 s/was/way/ Oct 14 10:39:28 ShiftyAxel meant: also, why is the repo named cut-copy-paste? naturally that's PIC's call, but it seems insensible to name it that way as opposed to calling it 'LunaSysMgr' and working in a branch called 'cut-copy-paste' Oct 14 12:11:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yg9kt7eDgw Oct 14 12:12:28 # built OWO desktop for armel Oct 14 12:20:44 penk: very nice :) Oct 14 12:20:50 what are you using for a rootfs? Oct 14 12:21:09 also how did you get build-desktop working for arm? afaik it's very x86-centric Oct 14 12:21:09 ShiftyAxel: Ubuntu Precise + OWO binaries Oct 14 12:21:24 ShiftyAxel: yeah it sort of buildable for arm Oct 14 12:21:39 * penk uploading instructions & tarball Oct 14 12:22:02 good times, I'm sure ka6sox or scoutcamper can finagle you some wiki space if you want it Oct 14 12:22:13 that would be cool Oct 14 12:22:26 and it turns out omapfb isn't THAT bad Oct 14 12:22:52 it's sluggish due to my bad microSD card :P Oct 14 12:23:57 I'd say you still need graphics drivers for ubuntu there Oct 14 12:24:16 surely read speed wouldn't play that big of a factor when it comes to rendering to the screen? Oct 14 12:24:52 ShiftyAxel: I guess so, maybe libgles-android next Oct 14 12:25:12 how do you define alternative Home keycode? Oct 14 12:25:15 found this sysmgr-ipc/SysMgrDeviceKeydefs.h: Key_Home = 0xE0B1 Oct 14 12:25:43 what context are you working in? Oct 14 12:26:02 aka are you implimenting it in luna, or somewhere else? Oct 14 12:26:13 ShiftyAxel: NOOK Color comes a physical home button, read as "110" in key code Oct 14 12:26:22 I'd like to map that to Qt:: Key_CoreNavi_Home Oct 14 12:26:30 ya, I was about to suggest that Oct 14 12:26:48 I think that's done via Nyx modules Oct 14 12:26:53 really Oct 14 12:27:58 it also defined Key_CoreNavi_Home = Key_Home in sysmgr-ipc Oct 14 12:28:08 looks like hardcoded to me Oct 14 12:28:55 morphis would be the one to ask about this Oct 14 12:29:03 morphis: ping :-D Oct 14 12:29:11 though since you're using build-desktop, it may be different Oct 14 12:29:21 I assumed so Oct 14 12:29:23 you might be able to fiddle with the keymapping in ubuntu instead of using a nyx module Oct 14 12:29:34 yeah since it's using X Oct 14 12:29:38 maybe that's easier Oct 14 12:29:47 almost definately Oct 14 12:29:50 penk: pong Oct 14 12:30:10 penk: you have to adjust nyx-modules for this Oct 14 12:30:13 morphis: do you know where does luna-sysmgr define HOME keycode? Oct 14 12:30:17 morphis: I see Oct 14 12:30:44 penk: https://github.com/webOS-ports/nyx-modules/commit/eab55701805f99f52cdc6e887ea06a702eeb4301 Oct 14 12:30:50 it's done in nyx Oct 14 12:31:02 then mapped inside qt to the qt key values Oct 14 12:31:09 cool Oct 14 12:32:43 I haven't traced the wifi setting code, does it use connman/wpa_supplicant ? Oct 14 12:34:12 I'm not sure how much of it is actually implemented yet Oct 14 12:34:28 it seems quite new Oct 14 12:34:50 another missing part then Oct 14 12:35:17 yeah Oct 14 12:35:21 baby steps :p Oct 14 12:35:32 we're getting close ;-) Oct 14 12:36:01 penk: there isn't anything implement in owo atm for wifi Oct 14 12:36:02 morphis: any hint on compiling libgles-android / libhybris for Ubuntu? Oct 14 12:36:18 morphis: but you've got something in webos-ports? Oct 14 12:36:30 we're working on this Oct 14 12:36:43 owo and wop will use connman Oct 14 12:36:52 cool Oct 14 12:37:10 penk: if you can make sure connman is working you should be ready for this Oct 14 12:37:14 I wrote a nodejs connman plugin a while ago Oct 14 12:37:16 libhybris in ubuntu? for what? Oct 14 12:37:24 penk: really? Oct 14 12:37:36 morphis: yeah but it's using cmcc as child process, not really useful Oct 14 12:37:39 a sec Oct 14 12:37:46 cmcc? Oct 14 12:38:05 morphis: connmand command line tool (written in python dbus) Oct 14 12:38:06 https://github.com/penk/MeeTo/blob/master/NetWiz/connman.js Oct 14 12:38:08 ok Oct 14 12:38:29 ok, so a very simple approach Oct 14 12:38:35 we're targetting a dbus-ls2 solution Oct 14 12:38:38 yes dirty hacking Oct 14 12:38:58 initial code is here: https://github.com/webOS-ports/connman-adapter Oct 14 12:39:14 nice, I'll give it a shot Oct 14 12:39:24 morphis: for the libhybris Oct 14 12:39:25 it's not ready Oct 14 12:39:30 no worries Oct 14 12:39:32 just some dummy code yet Oct 14 12:40:17 morphis: I have a working Android ROM for my device, and Ubuntu port using libgl1-mesa-glx Oct 14 12:40:43 morphis: is that possible to leverage libhybris on that? Oct 14 12:40:56 whats your device? and which android version? Oct 14 12:40:59 Android libs -> libhybris -> desktop OWO Oct 14 12:41:07 morphis: NOOK Color, TI OMAP 3621 Oct 14 12:41:18 hm Oct 14 12:41:24 * Stskeeps has a nook color too Oct 14 12:41:24 should be possible Oct 14 12:41:30 kernel 2.6.32.9 Oct 14 12:41:34 you need the android libs in place Oct 14 12:41:35 and yes, should be feasible Oct 14 12:41:35 Stskeeps: hey man :P Oct 14 12:42:03 penk: but why you're using ubuntu as base? Oct 14 12:42:13 so I guess I need to compile the gingerbread lib? Oct 14 12:42:41 morphis: well, it's already working, so I think building desktop version should be easy and fun for a weekend hack.. Oct 14 12:42:55 ok :) Oct 14 12:43:07 penk: just take libhybris as it is Oct 14 12:43:10 morphis: you suggest OE and webos-port? Oct 14 12:43:16 penk: yes Oct 14 12:43:22 if you want a working solution Oct 14 12:43:38 otherwise it will always be a pure hack and not very usable Oct 14 12:43:47 make sense Oct 14 12:43:54 as there is much more than just-compile-for-desktop-and-out-on-device Oct 14 12:44:04 also, desktop.. make dam sure it's egl/glesv2 Oct 14 12:44:07 think about the complete hardware integration Oct 14 12:44:11 yes Oct 14 12:44:26 they are extending desktop version for opengl support, not sure what this means Oct 14 12:44:36 so it might be unusable in the near future Oct 14 12:45:37 libhybris_gingerbread.so, libEGL.so.1.0 and libGLESv2.so.2.0 ? Oct 14 12:45:47 do I need the later two from Android? Oct 14 12:46:12 you need some more things Oct 14 12:46:25 you need a simplified /system directory Oct 14 12:46:59 penk: https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-smartphone/blob/webOS-ports/master/meta-samsung/recipes-graphics/libgles-android/libgles-android_4.1.1.bb Oct 14 12:47:16 morphis: cool, I'm just looking for it Oct 14 12:47:27 let me wrap this up and start OE build .. Oct 14 12:47:36 * penk need to get more space on the Linode server ... Oct 14 13:11:49 hi chan Oct 14 13:14:22 does anyone know how big is openwebos source for galaxy nexus? Oct 14 13:17:56 gianguido: just the openwebos source or for complete OE environment? Oct 14 13:18:19 OE env? Oct 14 13:19:35 gianguido: final rootfs is ~500Mb Oct 14 13:19:46 gianguido: OE will be quite big Oct 14 13:19:49 OE build environment itself requires ~40Gb, probably more Oct 14 13:19:53 yes Oct 14 13:20:41 omg so, i'm downloading 40gb without a status bar? lol Oct 14 13:21:33 nah, the 40Gb comes from the compiling Oct 14 13:21:39 ~blame WebKit Oct 14 13:21:39 * WoceBot blames WebKit for everything Oct 14 13:21:57 though the downloads are fairly hefty too, but not that big Oct 14 13:23:10 gianguido: you're downloading everything you need for building Oct 14 13:23:14 libc/gcc/... Oct 14 13:23:30 welcome to OE world :) Oct 14 13:23:38 oh, well, if it's necessary :D Oct 14 13:23:43 it is Oct 14 13:23:55 and respect: it's not build for end-users Oct 14 13:24:20 morphis: btw, glanced closer at the native-window stuff, looks really good Oct 14 13:24:37 Stskeeps: you mean my DummyNativeWindow? Oct 14 13:24:40 yeah Oct 14 13:24:44 ok Oct 14 13:24:52 handed this over to heeen Oct 14 13:24:55 morphis: i know,otherwise I would never have spoken here Oct 14 13:24:58 :) Oct 14 13:25:00 morphis: alright Oct 14 13:25:16 Stskeeps: but I think he will follow the same way Oct 14 13:27:47 Morning. Oct 14 13:28:18 morn Oct 14 13:28:19 Roy__: morning Oct 14 13:29:01 morning Roy__ Oct 14 13:29:50 morning $EVERYONE Oct 14 13:35:59 2gb out of 40gb, my connection is reeeaally speedy Oct 14 14:14:09 More WindowedWebApp docs: http://kylemaas.github.com/LunaSysMgr/classWindowedWebApp.htm Oct 14 14:15:12 Not complete yet, but as far as I'm probably going to get today. Oct 14 14:15:49 good work, KyleMaas :) Oct 14 14:16:35 ShiftyAxel: Thanks! Trying to work my way to the individual app types, but I needed this base class done first. Oct 14 14:18:05 KyleMaas++ Oct 14 14:31:39 ShiftyAxel: ping? Oct 14 14:32:11 PatrickC: pong Oct 14 14:45:27 morning all Oct 14 14:46:03 morning EricBlade_ Oct 14 14:46:52 morning, eric...but, i guess, i should say night to you. :) Oct 14 14:47:11 nope, nope, it's morning here. and it's morning everywhere on iRC Oct 14 14:47:23 ~ugt Oct 14 14:47:24 methinks ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Oct 14 14:48:21 do you guys reckon a gesture area would work in tablet form-factor? Oct 14 14:52:28 axel, i have no idea what you just asked...plus, i'm thinking, in fact, about how to port open webos in to htc device powered by msm7225. but, still no idea on webos boot process... Oct 14 14:53:30 by the way, i'm new to developing for webos. Oct 14 14:54:05 jumoit: what htc device? Oct 14 14:54:28 jumoit: a gesture area, it's a touch-sensitive section of the screen/bezel that takes swipes and converts them into actions such as home, back or app switching Oct 14 14:54:34 the Pre series had them Oct 14 14:55:19 Gnexus need one, at least a software that emulate it Oct 14 14:55:36 they say the GNex has one Oct 14 14:55:43 or at least, the youtubes do Oct 14 14:56:11 ShiftyAxel: do you have a link? Oct 14 14:57:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zKXaIR2zVk&feature=youtu.be Oct 14 14:57:12 though that one's a tad dated now Oct 14 14:57:25 gives a basic idea though :) Oct 14 14:57:47 axel, the target device which to be considered to use to port webos is called htc tattoo. for more information, please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Tattoo Oct 14 14:58:53 woah a tattoo! jumoit that device doesn't have a gpu, i don't think openwebos will run well... Oct 14 14:59:49 ShiftyAxel: omg, fantastic! i'll see if in this build it will be present Oct 14 15:00:06 gianguido: have a look at webOS-ports' github :) Oct 14 15:00:12 gianguido, yeah,i see that device indeed has no independent gpu, but, i would like to give it a shot. Oct 14 15:00:36 jumoit: that's... ambitious to say the least Oct 14 15:00:51 ShiftyAxel: that's a good idea, i'll add the commit page to my rss reader Oct 14 15:00:55 then there's the factor of getting the luna UI working usably under 320x240 Oct 14 15:01:08 gianguido: specifically the shiftyaxel/gesture-area branch :D Oct 14 15:01:41 uh, you've write that piece of heaven? lol Oct 14 15:02:00 * ShiftyAxel whistles innocently Oct 14 15:02:02 (yes) Oct 14 15:02:05 lol Oct 14 15:02:43 i don't think it would be very difficult to make luna work "usably" at lower resolutions, basically just adjust the icon spacing settings and nuke the tab bar Oct 14 15:03:06 obviously that could be improved upon quite a bit, but i think that would at least make it "usable" Oct 14 15:03:10 pretty much, but it still requires work Oct 14 15:03:26 a longer-term solution involving a UI scalar would be ideal Oct 14 15:06:16 gianguido, yeah, yeah, there are a lot of challenges out there to overcome...and also, any ideas on openwebos boot process, especially on those devices based on msm series of chipsets like msm8x55? Oct 14 15:08:02 these are android devices, so probably writing images to nand with fastboot is the first step Oct 14 15:10:14 gianguido, yeah, what you just mentioned is supposed to be small part of the whole boot process for openweb on msm series of chipsets Oct 14 15:18:02 i don't know what all the boot process involves really, but on my touchpad, it seems that at least once you get to the kernel, it's just like any other linux system. i don't know how it gets to the kernel though. or whatever happens after the kernel, just that it goes to somewhere in /etc probably. Oct 14 15:18:39 if you'd asked me 10 years ago, i'd have been able to tell everything about it, but i sort of ignored it after i stopped being a regular linux user Oct 14 15:18:47 EricBlade_: in android phones, simply flash the kernel in the boot partition and reboot, then the phone loads it automatically Oct 14 15:19:19 imho to port webos to a tattoo for example, you need to adapt an existing kernel and try if it's working Oct 14 15:19:30 like they've done with the gnexus (i think) Oct 14 15:20:33 fastboot boot Oct 14 15:21:36 ShiftyAxel: can i ask you some things about webos "installation" on gnex? Oct 14 15:22:59 gianguido: depends on what you want to ask Oct 14 15:23:40 after the compilation, what files i get? a kernel ofc, but the system image is a fastboot-flashable file? Oct 14 15:25:08 what file extension is it? Oct 14 15:25:46 mine was only a question, right now i'm compiling webkit-webos Oct 14 15:26:13 ah, might take some time then :P Oct 14 15:26:24 afaik it should produce what you ask, yes Oct 14 15:29:01 good, thanks :) Oct 14 15:29:25 alright, ladies, gentlemens, i'm going back to incommunicado for a while, when i return, i expect you to have webos running on two more things. :) haha Oct 14 15:30:45 EricBlade_: Next targets are my toaster and a stale cup of coffee I found under the sofa Oct 14 15:32:28 ;) Oct 14 15:32:30 ShiftyAxel: eww. what kind of cpu does the coffee have? Oct 14 15:32:58 bio64 I believe, it's evolving constantly Oct 14 15:33:29 woah, a bio64 device! never seen one Oct 14 15:33:34 very good for java Oct 14 15:34:08 once you get webos on it, it'll slow down it's evolution :-S Oct 14 15:34:24 trololo Oct 14 15:34:47 hopefully not, what with it being open sourced now Oct 14 15:38:18 thank you for you suggestions, you guys. :) Oct 14 15:53:29 morning Oct 14 15:53:41 penk, do you have a user on the wiki? Oct 14 15:57:20 did I miss Penk? Oct 14 15:59:36 I believe so, though there was no 'nn all' that I saw Oct 14 16:01:01 wtf, webkit-webos build is going on for about one hour Oct 14 16:02:00 gianguido: yup, webkit is -massive- Oct 14 16:02:04 gianguido, depending on RAM, cores and other busyness....could be Oct 14 16:02:34 I'd make a coffee, go learn assembly, fall in love, get married, have kids, write your life's work, then come back, webkit should be done then Oct 14 16:04:31 ShiftyAxel: omg cheering! Oct 14 16:04:53 if anyone sees penk ask to make a user and let us know here what it is so he can get space on the wiki? Oct 14 16:05:11 ka6sox: i've a core2duo 2.20 ghz and 4gigs of ram, on a lubuntu x64 system Oct 14 16:05:30 and i'm compiling with -j4 Oct 14 16:06:00 on a core 2 duo? does it hyperthread? Oct 14 16:06:19 ehm... nope Oct 14 16:06:23 ah Oct 14 16:06:30 it's an oooold architecture Oct 14 16:06:34 well, since you've started you may as well continue Oct 14 16:06:54 ofc, webos is my <3 Oct 14 16:06:55 but -j should represent the number of cores (virtual or otherwise) that your CPU has Oct 14 16:07:07 ShiftyAxel: cpu cores plus 1 or 2 Oct 14 16:07:13 depends on your liking Oct 14 16:07:29 aha, ya I guess it depends on style/preference Oct 14 16:10:28 gianguido, good deal..I've built plenty on that setup in my life Oct 14 16:11:07 yeah, and the battery life it's pretty good (yes, i'm building on a notebook) Oct 14 16:15:05 * ShiftyAxel builds on a MacBook Oct 14 16:15:24 * ShiftyAxel purchased it before he knew he'd be building lots on it Oct 14 16:19:16 Helloo Oct 14 16:22:40 I wonder: how does the following command behave, in the context of a ramdisk: Oct 14 16:22:40 "exec switch_root /rfs /sbin/init -v > /boot/init.log" ? Especially the "-v" part, and the output redirection... Would it work ? Would the >/boot/init.log be executed ? before, or after switch_root ? Oct 14 16:23:39 I think this line doesn't work, and I don't know why because I don't have any output :( Oct 14 16:25:18 Tofe, what it does is transfer control to /sbin/init and make it process #1 Oct 14 16:25:51 and the log should happen simultaneously as it forces the output to go to that file. Oct 14 16:26:17 hey ka6sox Oct 14 16:26:28 So, situation unknown, let's try then Oct 14 16:26:28 morning bhuey Oct 14 16:26:54 The thing is, I inserted some debug output in rc-default and it is not even executed: so I suspect that init fails to be started Oct 14 16:27:02 Tofe, it is similar to pivot_root. Oct 14 16:28:00 yes, I now know what is does, I just wondered about the order of the execution: would it be /rfs/boot/init.log or /boot/init.log :) Oct 14 16:29:33 rfs till the switch_root and /boot after Oct 14 16:29:53 ka6sox: hey Oct 14 16:30:21 and it should open the stdoutput before calling the process, so it should be /rfs/boot. I'll try that. Oct 14 16:31:10 hopefully OE does 98% of the work for an initrd build :) Oct 14 16:32:47 morning penk, do you have a userid on the wiki? Oct 14 16:33:45 Tofe: hey man, heard you've got an Ubuntu port on transformer? you might be interested in this http://penkia.blogspot.com/2012/10/open-webos-on-nook-color.html Oct 14 16:33:57 Tofe: how's your OE build btw Oct 14 16:35:46 penk, you are now "human" :D Oct 14 16:36:01 oh ya Oct 14 16:36:16 ka6sox: what can I do with my human right Oct 14 16:36:23 penk: I've got an A500, but it's similar HW. I could have built owebos-desktop on my ARM Ubuntu too, but well, that wouldn't have helped me much in the next steps Oct 14 16:36:34 penk, create and edit pages Oct 14 16:36:45 ShiftyAxel: ping? Oct 14 16:36:56 morning PatrickC Oct 14 16:36:59 morning ka6sox Oct 14 16:37:08 Tofe: make sense, do you get any further with the kernel/OE rootfs? Oct 14 16:37:09 penk: today, the OE build looks ok, but it's still mainly simply a modified tuna machine :) Oct 14 16:37:12 getting ready to fix the issues ka6sox Oct 14 16:37:25 let us know if you need help Oct 14 16:37:28 and also I'm failing to get past the /sbin/init start Oct 14 16:38:03 ka6sox: well, first i'm going to have to do is fix the issue that it isn't the newest version Oct 14 16:38:17 then i'll work on the attributions. which commit was rwhitby commenting on that wasn't correct? Oct 14 16:38:40 Oh ! I got an "rcS.started" debug output ! yepee, the quest continues :) Oct 14 16:39:44 Okay, so now the status is: I'm stuck somewhere after rcS :) Oct 14 16:40:26 (for your information, my /rfs/boot/init.log got created, but it empty.) Oct 14 16:42:48 ok, there's a matrix-like screen on my build shell o.o Oct 14 16:43:17 ncie Oct 14 16:43:22 nice Oct 14 16:44:12 what the hell, webkit-webos has failed the build Oct 14 16:48:49 PatrickC: pong? Oct 14 16:49:04 ShiftyAxel: yeah Oct 14 16:49:19 ka6sox, penk: wasn't there something one of you was going to ask the other? Oct 14 16:49:32 ShiftyAxel, fixed Oct 14 16:49:35 ShiftyAxel: we did Oct 14 16:49:39 good stuff Oct 14 16:49:50 gianguido, which build are you doing? Oct 14 16:49:50 PatrickC: were you going to ask me something? Oct 14 16:49:59 ka6sox: webos-image Oct 14 16:50:04 ShiftyAxel: oh btw I fixed the home key by using Xorg key mapping :P Oct 14 16:50:25 nice :D Oct 14 16:50:43 ShiftyAxel: working on the repo Oct 14 17:06:28 doesn't make sense: the default init runlevel is "2", and the is almost nothing to launch at that level Oct 14 17:07:43 ah, no, my fault. Oct 14 17:08:41 here's why webkit-webos failed compilation: the system was out of memory Oct 14 17:08:52 gianguido: hello, swappy ! Oct 14 17:09:12 yeah, i've made a 4gb swap file Oct 14 17:09:36 oh. It was ok for me with 2.7Gb of RAM + ~1.5Gb of swap Oct 14 17:09:42 on an external ext4 hdd, because BTRFS doesn't support swapfiles Oct 14 17:09:44 gianguido, ya Oct 14 17:09:59 takes over 4GB for the linking process Oct 14 17:11:13 ka6sox: what are the differences between webos-image and webos-dev-image? Oct 14 18:18:11 ok i'm back for a bit Oct 14 18:19:52 wb EricBlade_ Oct 14 18:20:08 the coffee saw a mirror and promptly committed suicide Oct 14 18:20:37 hey EricBlade_ Oct 14 18:20:37 oh, that's ok, i heard that there was a port for the Fire now? or was that just a suggestion/question Oct 14 18:21:38 I doubt there'll be one to the fire Oct 14 18:21:58 that thing is more locked down than steve jobs' coffin Oct 14 18:22:08 haha Oct 14 18:35:11 ok, we have now a working charger detection implementation :) Oct 14 18:35:23 morphis: working on nexus porting? Oct 14 18:35:43 PatrickC: yes Oct 14 18:35:49 nice Oct 14 18:35:58 :) Oct 14 18:36:12 and we're progressing very nice Oct 14 18:36:21 awesome! Oct 14 18:36:53 * PatrickC wishes he had a gnex to test it out on Oct 14 18:39:27 :) Oct 14 18:39:36 PatrickC: we will still need some time for a alpha release Oct 14 18:39:45 morphis: i know.. Oct 14 18:39:46 :) Oct 14 18:43:08 but I think the quality of this port is already very good Oct 14 18:43:47 =) Oct 14 18:44:17 I was hoping to get a nexus from work as they are giving us all new phones Oct 14 18:44:42 but the choice was iBone5 SIII of some BB thing Oct 14 18:45:39 i did look at the nexus /SIII but it seems they done share much HW at all Oct 14 18:45:50 ^dont Oct 14 18:46:13 SIII would be nice with a propper OS though ;) Oct 14 18:46:25 I think i put the sim in my Veer Oct 14 18:46:28 DrOwl: yes and if they would do there are a lot of differences left Oct 14 18:54:11 rwhitby: started working on fixing the github repo. everything is fixed, none of our code is in it though. going to work with the dev over the next day or two to get our code working and in there. Oct 14 19:04:34 Okay. My init boot, my debug was just blocking that idiot upstart. Oct 14 19:12:09 Tofe: congrats, what next? Oct 14 19:12:48 well, it doesn't go very far: banner gets executed, and that's all. banner is useless, isn't it ? Oct 14 19:15:49 ah, it does create a tty, that's not nothing Oct 14 19:23:06 Tofe: you've got terminal access? what were you using, fastboot? Oct 14 19:23:20 Ah, if only I had terminal access...... Oct 14 19:23:29 I'm using fastboot, yes Oct 14 19:24:05 It's all blind debug: mainly I'm redirecting output to files to get hints Oct 14 19:24:37 ah, got runlevel 2 to be executed fine, I think. Oct 14 19:26:49 But I'm an upstart-noob, so I didn't know that using exec or tabs in event files would lead my script to... stop. Oct 14 19:43:32 okay, looks better: things that should be (up)started are started. Now I'll have to get a better diagnostic... Oct 14 19:46:06 try pipeing to `tee` Oct 14 19:48:25 well, that's not that easy: with upstart, I don't know what succeeded and failed, and I can't pipe upstart output Oct 14 19:50:10 ya would mean piping from inside the upstart scripts! Oct 14 19:52:49 yes... but right now, I don't even know which one fails, I just know that the Luna/Qt subsystem has pbs, because nothing shows up Oct 14 20:00:20 Tofe: try insert a "adbd" in your initramfs may help Oct 14 20:00:44 I use adb on almost all devices for debugging Oct 14 20:00:51 might be a good idea yeah Oct 14 20:01:18 I've disabled the volatile mount, so that I get the messages after poweroff Oct 14 20:02:18 Ah ! Messages ! Oct 14 20:02:28 Tofe, can you pastebin the last 50 or so lines of the init scripts? Oct 14 20:03:00 the init scripts ? which one you mean ? Oct 14 20:03:19 whichever one you are debugging Oct 14 20:04:29 Ah, but until right now I didn't know which one to inspect, because all are started by upstart, and I don't know if they fail or not. _But_ now I've got /var/log/messages, and it's full of warning and errors, so a new life of debugging begins for me Oct 14 20:06:39 there's some scripts that want to mount my Android filesystem... must be something that comes from the tuna machine. I'll have to clean that up, but it should be too problematic right now. Oct 14 20:06:54 s/should/shouldn't/ Oct 14 20:06:54 Tofe meant: there's some scripts that want to mount my Android filesystem... must be something that comes from the tuna machine. I'll have to clean that up, but it shouldn't be too problematic right now. Oct 14 20:07:13 kk Oct 14 20:07:40 Unable to execute "/sbin/tokens" for tokens: No such file or directory --> that's more weird. What's this token ? Oct 14 20:08:49 tokens can be for carrier information, or TS calibration parameters, or any number of things that are persistent across boots. Oct 14 20:09:29 mmh ok. that's weird I don't have tokens in /sbin, it should be a standard component of OE, isn't it ? Oct 14 20:09:51 anyway, it's not the problem here, I guess. Oct 14 20:10:22 user.crit ls-hubd: {ls-hubd.private}: Unable to get permission from JSON (/usr/share/ls2/roles/prv/com.palm.nodejs.json) Oct 14 20:10:28 that's better. Oct 14 20:10:56 I guess my node.js server is down, or has never been able to make it to life Oct 14 20:11:03 s/boots/os installs/ Oct 14 20:11:03 ka6sox meant: tokens can be for carrier information, or TS calibration parameters, or any number of things that are persistent across os installs. Oct 14 20:18:07 Ok. No node.js, so no Luna, so nothing. Oct 14 20:24:24 ah, I thought ls-hubd depended on node.js, but actually it is the other way around Oct 14 20:29:36 yeah two ls-hubd first, then LunaSysService filecache activitymanager mojodb-luna respectively Oct 14 20:30:24 BrowserServer and LunaSysMgr at last Oct 14 20:39:47 ok, my "/var/db" was corrupted -- not very surprising, given the reboots I've done... Oct 14 20:40:19 the status now isn't so bad: I think it boots, but simply doesn't handle the framebuffer in the right way Oct 14 20:41:27 when I do ctrl-alt-del, I see the framebuffer for a short time (with the rotating circle in the center of the screen -- I think it's openwebos that draws that), then it reboots fine. Oct 14 20:54:20 PatrickC: ok, thanks for taking care of it quickly. Oct 14 20:54:31 rwhitby: no problem Oct 14 20:54:36 came up with a few solutions as well Oct 14 20:56:33 solutions eh? Oct 14 20:56:53 with the branches and stuff :) Oct 14 20:57:05 solutions to renaming it and making it easier to merge in later Oct 14 20:57:46 penk, wonderful! NC Oct 14 20:57:48 thanks to ShiftyAxel :) Oct 14 20:57:49 w00t1 Oct 14 20:58:20 ka6sox: hehe thanks Oct 14 20:58:49 * penk was building that on a 64GB Macbook Air… Oct 14 20:58:58 whoa... Oct 14 20:59:00 thats tight Oct 14 20:59:08 thanks god there's Linode Oct 14 20:59:14 no kidding Oct 14 20:59:19 what TZ are you in? Oct 14 20:59:28 ka6sox: UTC+8, I guess Oct 14 21:01:46 penk, early! Oct 14 21:01:47 PatrickC: the only solution required is that commits by an author contain only that author's code, and that code from other authors is added to the repository using their original commits, not yours. Oct 14 21:02:00 a true good morning to you! Oct 14 21:02:04 PatrickC: anything on top of that is simply your personal implementation of how that happens. Oct 14 21:02:28 rwhitby: yes, we know that going forward. we will also add a new branch for our work, instead of renaming the branch, and will also keep it updated to your latest Oct 14 21:04:23 penk, you used what build to get Nook Color working? Oct 14 21:05:02 ah, desktop for arm...excellent Oct 14 21:05:06 ka6sox: I've done some works on NC before, so just build and replace the rootfs Oct 14 21:05:32 it's sort of buildable for arm, in face Oct 14 21:05:38 s/face/fact/ Oct 14 21:05:39 penk meant: it's sort of buildable for arm, in fact Oct 14 21:06:12 penk, I would like to create links to various ports from our wiki so people wanting to use those ports or participate in development can... Oct 14 21:06:17 can we add your to that list? Oct 14 21:06:31 s/your/yours/ Oct 14 21:06:31 ka6sox meant: can we add yours to that list? Oct 14 21:06:38 ka6sox: sure no prob, let me know if theres any detail I can fill in Oct 14 21:07:32 penk, yes, let me think on this a few minutes...maybe a template that gets filled out with target, homepage, SCM, and other information... Oct 14 21:08:41 would that be good? Oct 14 21:08:49 yeah sounds good Oct 14 21:12:27 is there a way to compile the kernel with a specific gcc version ? it looks like some of the problems I have may be solved by compiling my kernel with an older version (gcc 4.4.1) Oct 14 21:13:39 (quite weird, though, maybe it's just an obscure option of gcc...) Oct 14 21:15:00 PenK, http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Other_Ports Oct 14 21:16:25 ka6sox: you appear to have an extra = in there Oct 14 21:16:26 * ShiftyAxel fixes Oct 14 21:16:55 ShiftyAxel, can you please add cellborders too? Oct 14 21:17:05 I shall attempt it Oct 14 21:18:17 what do I put in Repository? github.com/openwebos/build-desktop ? Oct 14 21:19:30 if you dont' have onet thats okay Oct 14 21:19:45 do you have changes you did to the desktop-build to make it work? Oct 14 21:20:44 ka6sox: shall I have a look through twitter and the logs and compile a list of known ports? Oct 14 21:20:47 ka6sox: just cmake flags and header like unistd.h to the gcc, so not much Oct 14 21:21:16 I assume you cloned and modded? Oct 14 21:21:26 are you using github? Oct 14 21:22:11 ka6sox: https://github.com/penk/ Oct 14 21:23:12 penk, did you push up your changes there? Oct 14 21:23:19 if so that repo would be the scm. Oct 14 21:24:11 ka6sox: no, I only changed to build-webos-desktop.sh, will commit it then Oct 14 21:24:34 kk Oct 14 21:24:38 sounds like a winner Oct 14 21:24:43 penk: does it still work for x86? Oct 14 21:25:46 ShiftyAxel: yeah, mostly different compile flags Oct 14 21:27:54 Tofe, when you have time can you add yours to that list? Oct 14 21:28:54 oh, sure; though I didn't put in place my github fork Oct 14 21:30:26 sounds good... Oct 14 21:30:27 bbl Oct 14 21:32:00 penk: just looked at the github, good stuff Oct 14 21:32:20 ShiftyAxel: you mean my other repos? :P Oct 14 21:32:30 the one in the wiki thus far :p Oct 14 21:32:45 if it's LSM you're talking, thanks to you then! ;-) Oct 14 21:34:02 i.imgur.com/vpCZS.jpg # 1024x600 is too short for a 5-rows keyboard though Oct 14 21:34:09 penk: one thing I would point out though, Src/base/settings/Settings.cpp/.h already have an (unused thus far) virtualCoreNaviEnabled and virtualCoreNaviHeight variable Oct 14 21:34:24 oops Oct 14 21:34:37 probably best to use those as opposed to adding a new one (tis what i'm doing for the GNex gesture area) Oct 14 21:35:18 agree Oct 14 21:35:52 But, how am I supposed to edit that wiki ? I've created an account, but the "Other Ports" page doesn't seem to be editable to me Oct 14 21:36:35 Tofe: I believe you need to be upgraded to human Oct 14 21:37:00 Oh. That's quite something. Oct 14 21:37:17 ka6sox, scoutcamper? ^^^ Oct 14 21:37:24 I hope I'll qualify ! Oct 14 21:37:29 ill do it Oct 14 21:37:31 one second Oct 14 21:37:37 nothing urgent, though :) Oct 14 21:37:55 what is your wiki username? Oct 14 21:37:59 Tofe Oct 14 21:38:09 you are a human now Oct 14 21:38:11 :D Oct 14 21:38:15 \o/ Oct 14 21:39:41 done Oct 14 21:40:44 I'll put a status a little bit later, once I'll have a new kernel with a working cmdline for the framebuffer I think I'll have a quite good status Oct 14 21:41:46 Also I need to cleanup my meta-smartphone fork and polish my a500 machine Oct 14 21:43:34 ok, time to sleep a bit Oct 14 21:49:12 ok it wasn't the Fire that i saw a new port for it was the Nook Oct 14 21:53:54 EricBlade_: new Fire all have locked bootloader :-( Oct 14 21:54:04 maybe Nexus 7 can be a more reasonable target Oct 14 21:54:11 s/reasonable/hackable/ Oct 14 21:54:11 penk meant: maybe Nexus 7 can be a more hackable target Oct 14 21:54:53 but I'll try OE build on AllWinner A10 devices next, it's cheap and quite popular Oct 14 21:55:29 penk: i see you are behind that. also that it's desktop + ubuntu .. so .. cheating. haha :) Oct 14 21:56:55 EricBlade_: can't agree more :P Oct 14 21:56:57 i never did get a chance to check out that livecd. someone i pointed to it said they couldn't get it to work, though. i figured it was probably not built for wide ranges of hardwares Oct 14 21:57:43 ok, so, has anyone built Open webOS (desktop) to run in Ubuntu chroot in regular webOS yet? Oct 14 21:57:57 EricBlade_: considered its image size, I will not be surprised if it doesn't work Oct 14 21:57:59 so we can webOS in our webOS Oct 14 21:58:05 yo dawg Oct 14 21:58:11 lol Oct 14 21:58:37 i heard you like webOS so I installed webOS inside your webOS so you can run webOS while you run webOS Oct 14 21:58:51 * ShiftyAxel resists the urge to lart Oct 14 21:58:57 lart? Oct 14 21:59:07 your meme is bad and you should feel bad XD Oct 14 21:59:19 ~lart EricBlade_ Oct 14 21:59:20 * WoceBot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, EricBlade_!" and lops off EricBlade_'s head Oct 14 21:59:31 lart :) Oct 14 21:59:31 oh. :( Oct 14 22:18:24 ShiftyAxel, lart! Oct 14 22:25:00 anyone around and up for a discussion? Oct 14 22:25:26 since we now have a gesture area on the GNex, and all being well it gets upstreamed... Oct 14 22:25:54 imo the back gesture should be a thing again, and HP should support it in Enyo2, at least as a 'back' keycode Oct 14 22:26:00 since lots of existing devices have a back button Oct 14 22:26:31 there's also the thought of developing an enyo2 extension specifically for OWO Oct 14 22:27:08 one that provides an API to the gesture area, allowing developers to access finger-tracking gesture data and implement their own smooth transitions or implementations of back/forward Oct 14 22:33:17 ShiftyAxel: what was the stock behavior on back pressed? Oct 14 22:33:48 penk: stock for what? enyo2? Oct 14 22:33:56 ShiftyAxel: yes Oct 14 22:34:29 nothing, it's a keycode of some sort that isn't handled by default Oct 14 22:35:02 imo it should be, or at least be mentioned in the docs Oct 14 23:37:18 btw: anyone working on a nexus 7 port? Oct 14 23:38:53 not that I know of...yet Oct 14 23:41:11 ok Oct 14 23:57:22 folks Oct 14 23:57:29 * bhuey back from lunch with family Oct 15 01:52:14 nn Oct 15 02:02:45 nn Oct 15 02:40:36 hey guys Oct 15 02:40:43 hey EricBlade Oct 15 02:44:45 EricBlade: howdy. Oct 15 02:46:36 * EricBlade returns home with just enough time to pack for another trip, take a nap, and head out Oct 15 02:48:29 ouch Oct 15 02:49:02 EricBlade: heh.. good luck **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 15 03:00:01 2012