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Oct 20 04:54:39 <gambomb> does anyone know where the background/wallpaper is in webos's fs
Oct 20 04:54:40 <gambomb> ?
Oct 20 05:18:22 <penk> morning
Oct 20 05:20:22 <PatrickC> morning penk
Oct 20 05:22:09 <ka6sox> morning penk
Oct 20 05:22:25 <PatrickC> morning ka6sox.
Oct 20 05:22:34 <ka6sox> hiya PatrickC
Oct 20 05:22:37 <PatrickC> oh, did you see that we got the repo fixed for PIC?
Oct 20 05:22:46 <ka6sox> yup
Oct 20 05:22:53 <PatrickC> awesome :)
Oct 20 05:25:11 <penk> looks like LSM is going to use two framebuffer?
Oct 20 05:25:54 <ka6sox> thats what it originally did...I suspect they will try to make that work again.
Oct 20 05:26:58 <Stskeeps> sounds a bit problematic on some targets
Oct 20 05:27:07 <penk> it is..
Oct 20 05:29:16 <ka6sox> its extremely problematic for use with Android systems.
Oct 20 05:29:29 <ka6sox> which I think would limit things dramatically
Oct 20 05:30:29 <ka6sox> oh well..
Oct 20 05:30:35 <Stskeeps> well, otoh, the backend way they render applications/share buffers is fairly de-coupled
Oct 20 05:32:09 <ka6sox> +NET "pll_clk_p_in" TNM_NET = pll_clk_p_in;^M
Oct 20 05:32:09 <ka6sox> +TIMESPEC TS_pll_clk_p_in = PERIOD "pll_clk_p_in" 3.7 ns HIGH 50%;^M
Oct 20 05:32:21 <ka6sox> that wasn't what I wanted to paste
Oct 20 05:35:52 <ka6sox> did you guys see roger stringer's response in the ML?
Oct 20 05:36:53 <penk> that's why I brought this up
Oct 20 05:45:22 <ka6sox> thougths on this?
Oct 20 05:50:05 <penk> I'm wondering what devices they're working on :p
Oct 20 05:52:08 <ka6sox> I really think that they are working on trying to get the next things goind.
Oct 20 05:52:22 <ka6sox> (finishing up things that didn't get done before 1.0
Oct 20 05:52:24 <ka6sox> )
Oct 20 06:10:26 <gambomb> do you guys know where the background/wallpaper is in the fs?
Oct 20 06:11:26 <penk> gambomb: /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/images/
Oct 20 06:12:06 <gambomb> thanks
Oct 20 06:14:22 <gambomb> do you happen to know which file haha
Oct 20 06:14:40 <penk> I think the default is now bluerocks.png
Oct 20 06:15:26 <gambomb> so if you want to change the background manually you must replace that file?
Oct 20 06:15:35 <gambomb> or is it in a setting somewhere
Oct 20 06:16:28 <penk> gambomb: a simple grep shows this rootfs/etc/palm/defaultPreferences.txt:		"wallpaper":			{ "wallpaperName":"bluerocks.png" , "wallpaperFile":"/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/images/bluerocks.png" , "wallpaperThumbFile":""},
Oct 20 06:17:15 <gambomb> thanks a bunch
Oct 20 06:18:19 <penk> no prob
Oct 20 06:50:06 <gambomb> I've got another question haha
Oct 20 06:50:15 <gambomb> where are apps stored
Oct 20 06:50:29 <gambomb> because I'm playing around with the desktop edition
Oct 20 06:50:42 <gambomb> and I can't figure out how to install new apps
Oct 20 08:14:51 <gambomb> is there a way to install apps without ipkg?
Oct 20 08:18:02 <JaMa> wget file; ar x file; tar xzvf data.tar.gz -C /
Oct 20 08:19:18 <JaMa> but this is usefull only when you really know what you're doing and only for emergency (like to fix opkg on device)
Oct 20 08:20:19 <gambomb> so, hp seems to have removed ipkg from the desktop edition
Oct 20 08:20:30 <gambomb> unless I'm doing something very wrong
Oct 20 08:20:48 <gambomb> is there any way to get around this?
Oct 20 08:30:31 <gambomb> ping JaMa
Oct 20 08:31:29 <JaMa> what's "desktop edition"?
Oct 20 08:31:54 <gambomb> the desktop build
Oct 20 08:31:57 <gambomb> of open webos
Oct 20 08:32:18 <JaMa> https://github.com/openwebos/build-desktop ?
Oct 20 08:32:23 <gambomb> yeah
Oct 20 08:32:27 <JaMa> I'm not using that
Oct 20 08:32:41 <JaMa> so I don't know why they removed it
Oct 20 08:33:07 <JaMa> but it's simple script so it should not be hard to add it, but not very usefull if it does not build .ipk files
Oct 20 08:34:19 <gambomb> what does it do exactly?
Oct 20 08:34:48 <gambomb> because I can't figure out where the apps are placed in the filesystem
Oct 20 08:35:47 <JaMa> export BASE="${HOME}/luna-desktop-binaries"
Oct 20 08:35:47 <JaMa> export ROOTFS="${BASE}/rootfs"
Oct 20 08:35:48 <JaMa> export LUNA_STAGING="${BASE}/staging"
Oct 20 08:35:55 <JaMa> look there
Oct 20 08:38:04 <gambomb> thanks
Oct 20 09:02:17 <bhuey> hey ka6sox-away
Oct 20 11:35:51 <gianguido> morning
Oct 20 11:43:52 <penk> gianguido: morning
Oct 20 12:57:29 <ShiftyAxel> JaMa: ty, will push the changes up now
Oct 20 13:00:58 <morphis> heyho
Oct 20 13:10:43 <ShiftyAxel> morning morphis
Oct 20 13:10:49 <ShiftyAxel> oh, he's gone
Oct 20 14:13:56 <ka6sox> where is the coffee?
Oct 20 15:50:56 <gianguido|away> finally a build done on my own notebook, so glad
Oct 20 15:53:43 <Garfonso> grats :)
Oct 20 16:53:54 <warzon> morphis: morning
Oct 20 16:54:07 <morphis> warzon: morning
Oct 20 16:55:15 <warzon> as far as i understand owebos is using two blended framebuffers
Oct 20 16:55:40 <warzon> it's very sad , because on my tablet it did not working
Oct 20 16:56:10 <warzon> and i think that we will have problems with libhybris as well
Oct 20 16:57:48 <warzon> LunaSysMgr writes to fb0 and applications rendering is doing on fb1
Oct 20 16:58:18 <morphis> warzon: yes thats how things are right now
Oct 20 16:58:31 <morphis> and thats why we're using minimal plugin for the cards
Oct 20 16:58:51 <warzon> for me it did not working
Oct 20 16:59:23 <warzon> LunaSysMgr segfaults when i trying to start WebAppManager with minimal
Oct 20 17:00:18 <warzon> did you patched something? to be able to use minimal
Oct 20 17:02:04 <morphis> not really
Oct 20 17:02:20 <morphis> all patches I did are available in wop
Oct 20 17:02:34 <morphis> warzon: do you have a backtrace of the segfault?
Oct 20 17:03:15 <warzon> i'll send you
Oct 20 17:04:08 <warzon> using two framebuffers is bad solution. it's so depends on hardware and kernel... without vendor support
Oct 20 17:04:23 <morphis> warzon: yes, it's bad to make this a hard requirement for the software
Oct 20 17:05:08 <morphis> warzon: we should try to get the discussion forward and I am proud they will change the rendering infrastructure the future a lot to make things we're doing possible
Oct 20 17:10:13 <morphis> warzon: but minimal plugin should work at least for the WebAppManager
Oct 20 17:10:23 <morphis> and performance of the whole UI is usable then
Oct 20 17:11:30 <warzon> i will do more debugging on this...
Oct 20 17:11:48 <morphis> warzon: as you can see here: http://youtu.be/mtpGml0JXPw
Oct 20 17:12:09 <warzon> i saw
Oct 20 17:12:13 <morphis> ok
Oct 20 17:21:33 <warzon> i'm talking with roger stringer, he says that they will create some alternative solutions. but when it will be available, he did not say...
Oct 20 17:23:18 <morphis> you meant his mails on the mailinglist?
Oct 20 17:23:22 <warzon> yes
Oct 20 17:23:34 <morphis> ok
Oct 20 17:23:53 <morphis> I don't think it will be tomorrow but we should get some more details soon
Oct 20 17:24:04 <morphis> otherwise we have to get them to move the discussion the ml
Oct 20 17:24:20 <warzon> off: did you receive mails from list? i don't know why , but i receive only digest
Oct 20 17:27:19 <morphis> yes I get them
Oct 20 17:27:29 <morphis> maybe to selected wrong option on signup
Oct 20 17:30:54 <morphis> warzon: Stskeeps pointed me to https://community.freescale.com/thread/281728
Oct 20 17:33:41 <warzon> morphis: i doubt that it will support egl
Oct 20 17:34:03 <morphis> not out of the box :)
Oct 20 17:43:57 <warzon> you will need to rewrite it for every new platform / device
Oct 20 17:44:37 <morphis> yes
Oct 20 17:45:10 <morphis> warzon: you got any further with the nyx-modules?
Oct 20 17:45:24 <warzon> we are working on them
Oct 20 17:46:21 <morphis> ok
Oct 20 17:46:34 <morphis> tell me if you need help
Oct 20 17:46:46 <morphis> ah and you're still using the owop build environment?
Oct 20 17:47:08 <warzon> yes
Oct 20 17:47:20 <warzon> with some minor modifications
Oct 20 17:47:25 <morphis> any plans to change this?
Oct 20 17:48:08 <warzon> you mean openembedded? owop?
Oct 20 17:48:29 <morphis> build-webos in detail
Oct 20 17:48:33 <morphis> as in wop we're not using it
Oct 20 17:48:50 <warzon> why&
Oct 20 17:48:52 <warzon> ?*
Oct 20 17:48:59 <morphis> lot of reasons :)
Oct 20 17:49:20 <morphis> we're coming from the OE project and don't like the way HP went with build-webos
Oct 20 17:49:27 <morphis> isn't flexible enough
Oct 20 17:50:36 <warzon> i'm using build-webos only for quick testing. we are using our build system , based on scratchbox2 and rpm
Oct 20 17:54:39 * Stskeeps wrote build support for OBS for sb2 and rpm at some point
Oct 20 22:06:20 <rrix> So I think I'm about to buy a nook color
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