**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 03 03:00:01 2012
Nov 03 03:12:31 <ShiftyAxel> https://twitter.com/shiftyaxel/status/264564576991993857
Nov 03 03:12:49 <ShiftyAxel> https://twitter.com/shiftyaxel/status/264565063971655681
Nov 03 03:14:04 <ShiftyAxel> and on that note, time for sleep
Nov 03 03:14:08 <ShiftyAxel> 'night all
Nov 03 09:27:41 <Tofe> morning !
Nov 03 09:29:09 <Stskeeps> morn
Nov 03 10:08:42 <Tofe> patching valgrind to make it accept more armv7 instructions: done
Nov 03 10:20:21 <morphis> EricBlade: ping
Nov 03 10:20:34 <Stskeeps> btw, what does OWO have in terms of security?
Nov 03 10:20:37 <Stskeeps> sandboxing etc
Nov 03 10:22:30 <morphis> Stskeeps: there is as first thing a difference between applications and loading websites
Nov 03 10:24:02 <morphis> Stskeeps: websites aree rendering withing a different process
Nov 03 10:24:13 <morphis> s/aree rendering/are rendered/
Nov 03 10:24:13 <WoceBot> morphis meant: Stskeeps: websites are rendered withing a different process
Nov 03 10:24:55 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Nov 03 10:24:58 <morphis> furthermore I don't know if there is something like capabilities like you have them in android with the manifest file
Nov 03 10:25:06 <Stskeeps> and access control to contacts, as an example?
Nov 03 10:25:09 <morphis> so if every application can call every service
Nov 03 10:25:33 <morphis> I never looked into the details for this
Nov 03 10:25:55 <morphis> the other thing I know is that native applications in webos are jailed
Nov 03 10:26:12 <morphis> but this isn't available yet for owo
Nov 03 10:26:20 <Stskeeps> just curious as we're exploring security/privacy frameworks too atm
Nov 03 10:30:47 <morphis> ah ok
Nov 03 10:31:01 <morphis> maybe ShiftyAxel|Away or EricBlade know more about this
Nov 03 10:31:22 <morphis> Stskeeps: and maybe there is something about this on http://developer.palm.com/
Nov 03 10:31:29 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Nov 03 13:29:49 <ShiftyAxel> morning all
Nov 03 13:29:58 <Stskeeps> morn
Nov 03 13:30:25 <ShiftyAxel> what's the word?
Nov 03 13:31:34 <Stskeeps> working (not owo related) on a test suite for bluetooth
Nov 03 13:31:45 <Stskeeps> it's always fun when you need one part to be the tested device and one to be the server
Nov 03 13:37:37 <ShiftyAxel> for testing bluetooth hardware?
Nov 03 13:38:01 <Stskeeps> for testing mobile devices that their bluez stack is functioning
Nov 03 13:38:23 <Stskeeps> http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/hostbased.png
Nov 03 13:38:37 <Stskeeps> was some good work done in meego on this, probably usable on many distros
Nov 03 13:39:07 <ShiftyAxel> sounds like useful stuff
Nov 03 13:39:38 <Stskeeps> yeah.. start with QA, don't try to slap it on top later :)
Nov 03 13:39:53 <ShiftyAxel> though I wasn't expecting to see so many OpenGL tests :o
Nov 03 13:40:26 <Stskeeps> i've seen board GPUs twist and crash when running these days
Nov 03 13:40:28 <Stskeeps> er, tests
Nov 03 14:29:30 <morphis> ShiftyAxel: ping
Nov 03 14:30:00 <ShiftyAxel> morphis: pong
Nov 03 14:30:14 <morphis> ShiftyAxel: you saw the issues with current luna-sysmgr?
Nov 03 14:31:12 <ShiftyAxel> I did indeed
Nov 03 14:31:21 <ShiftyAxel> the correct luna-platform.conf isn't getting included in the image
Nov 03 14:31:38 <ShiftyAxel> is it okay if I modify the one in morphis/tuna-support and squash it into the relevant commit?
Nov 03 14:31:38 <morphis> ah ok
Nov 03 14:31:47 <morphis> ShiftyAxel: yes, please do
Nov 03 14:31:57 <morphis> ah you implemented web app scaling already
Nov 03 14:32:29 <morphis> nice
Nov 03 14:33:00 <morphis> ShiftyAxel: can you ping me when you correct the .conf?
Nov 03 14:33:20 <ShiftyAxel> yup, this is going to look mighty fine when it's done
Nov 03 14:33:21 <ShiftyAxel> and sure
Nov 03 14:34:51 <morphis> we have some serious problem with our wifi driver
Nov 03 14:35:19 <morphis> somehow it cause the device to hang and it will never wake up under some unknown conditions
Nov 03 14:35:49 <ShiftyAxel> hrm, this is not so good
Nov 03 14:36:00 <ShiftyAxel> what implementation are we using for wifi, native or hybris?
Nov 03 14:36:27 <morphis> we're using the bcmdhd kernel driver + connman
Nov 03 14:36:41 <morphis> there is no need for a hybris solution as everything is pretty std.
Nov 03 14:36:54 <morphis> (mean communication between kernel and userland for wifi)
Nov 03 14:37:36 <ShiftyAxel> hmm, ok
Nov 03 14:37:48 <morphis> but I disabled the whole wakelock/earlysuspend story for the kernel
Nov 03 14:38:02 <morphis> as it works better with the current userland implementation of openwebos
Nov 03 14:38:24 <morphis> but it seems like the driver isn't really tested/stable without
Nov 03 14:38:47 <morphis> will try to get closer to the real cause
Nov 03 14:39:44 <ShiftyAxel> okey doke, sounds good
Nov 03 14:39:50 <morphis> it works fine if you never put the device into suspend (e.g. don't plug out the usb cable) but if you do you will run into this problem sooner or later
Nov 03 14:40:26 <morphis> there is the brcmfmac kernel driver as well we can try to use with compat-wireless
Nov 03 14:40:36 <morphis> will try/test this one too
Nov 03 14:44:01 <morphis> ShiftyAxel: one good thing we have now with our lsm branch rework: we don't have to adjust meta-webos-ports everytime we change webos-ports/master branch
Nov 03 14:45:39 <ShiftyAxel> we don't?
Nov 03 14:45:58 <ShiftyAxel> I had a build failed with 'is not a tree' earlier
Nov 03 14:46:32 <morphis> hm
Nov 03 14:46:50 <morphis> when you merge changes in the old commits should still be there
Nov 03 14:47:31 <ShiftyAxel> hrm
Nov 03 14:47:48 <ShiftyAxel> well, it appears to be fixed now
Nov 03 14:47:59 <morphis> lsm on tuna?
Nov 03 14:52:51 <ShiftyAxel> the tuna build
Nov 03 14:54:10 <morphis> ok
Nov 03 15:04:12 <ShiftyAxel> morphis: config fix pushed
Nov 03 15:04:31 <ShiftyAxel> also it looks like the launcher layout platform config isn't making it into the image
Nov 03 15:04:57 <ShiftyAxel> (I haven't merged tuna-support into webOS-ports/master yet)
Nov 03 16:37:09 <Tofe> Okay, well, I think I know why it doesn't work; my kernel doesn't have activate the same framebuffer android is using.
Nov 03 19:53:38 <ShiftyAxel> phew
Nov 03 19:53:48 <ShiftyAxel> right system menu's scaled properly for 4x pixmaps
Nov 03 19:53:53 <ShiftyAxel> s/right/right,/
Nov 03 19:53:54 <WoceBot> ShiftyAxel meant: right, system menu's scaled properly for 4x pixmaps
Nov 03 20:05:56 <PatrickC|Studyin> http://twitter.com/ParallelsMac/status/264820588651106304
Nov 03 20:05:59 <PatrickC|Studyin> </spam>
Nov 03 23:11:31 <LarrySteeze> ShiftyAxel, ka6sox: Good morning
Nov 03 23:24:41 <ShiftyAxel> morning LarrySteeze
Nov 03 23:27:58 <LarrySteeze> I'm excited to meet you (and others) at scale :D
Nov 03 23:32:49 <ShiftyAxel> me also, it'll be good to put faces to names (and screen names :p)
Nov 03 23:35:47 <ka6sox> hiya LarrySteeze
Nov 03 23:36:02 <LarrySteeze> yo
Nov 03 23:36:07 <LarrySteeze> I can help you put a face to my name
Nov 03 23:36:19 <ka6sox> how goes the battle...i've been doing plumbing today
Nov 03 23:36:28 <LarrySteeze> http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/007/cache/spider-monkey_719_600x450.jpg
Nov 03 23:36:31 <ka6sox> (and sawing up drywall...
Nov 03 23:36:37 <LarrySteeze> fun stuff
Nov 03 23:36:58 <ka6sox> LarrySteeze, Self-Portrait? (j/k)
Nov 03 23:37:06 * ka6sox has a terrible sense of humor
Nov 03 23:38:48 <LarrySteeze> ka6sox: that's exactly what I was saying it was :D
Nov 03 23:39:10 <ka6sox> oh right...
Nov 03 23:39:16 * ka6sox is kind of slow today....
Nov 03 23:39:27 <ka6sox> "Caution! Slow Children @ play"
Nov 03 23:39:27 <LarrySteeze> though that was kind of a lie
Nov 03 23:39:50 <ka6sox> (poor slow children)
Nov 03 23:40:29 <LarrySteeze> if you want to see my real picture, dare to click here: https://bitly.com/QUo8gr+
Nov 03 23:42:40 <LarrySteeze> sorry, forget the +, the correct link is: http://bit.ly/QUo8gr
Nov 03 23:43:14 <ShiftyAxel> oh hey, it's rick astley
Nov 03 23:43:23 <ShiftyAxel> :P
Nov 03 23:48:37 <LarrySteeze> lol
Nov 03 23:52:01 <ka6sox> so when we pick you up at the airport do we need to bring your picture?
Nov 04 00:13:18 <LarrySteeze> lol
Nov 04 00:19:56 <LarrySteeze> actually
Nov 04 00:20:07 <LarrySteeze> ka6sox: could you pick me up from the airport? :D
Nov 04 00:20:58 <ShiftyAxel> ooh, me too? :D
Nov 04 00:21:12 <LarrySteeze> ShiftyAxel: I will pick you up at the airport
Nov 04 00:21:31 <ShiftyAxel> works for me, and beats taking the bus
Nov 04 00:21:33 <LarrySteeze> but I'll have to put my luggage down first most likely...unless you are really tiny and weigh nothing
Nov 04 00:21:56 <ShiftyAxel> hmm, we should get scoutcamper and halfhalo and some motorbikes
Nov 04 00:22:17 <ShiftyAxel> do some of that crazy stunt stuff
Nov 04 00:22:37 <ka6sox> The bus will take you directly to the hotel..its 1mile
Nov 04 00:22:45 <ka6sox> (Hotel Shuttle Bus)
Nov 04 00:23:55 <LarrySteeze> ka6sox: but I will not be staying at the hotel :(
Nov 04 00:24:06 <ka6sox> where will you be staying?
Nov 04 00:24:21 <LarrySteeze> in ShiftyAxel's suitcase :P
Nov 04 00:24:40 <ka6sox> oh
Nov 04 00:24:42 <LarrySteeze> actually, probably in marina del rey
Nov 04 00:25:06 <LarrySteeze> the best man from my wedding lives there, and would probably be offended if I did not stay at his place
Nov 04 00:25:19 <LarrySteeze> unless I can convince him and his fiance to stay at the hotel as well
Nov 04 00:25:32 <ka6sox> kk
Nov 04 01:33:47 <jacques_> the shuttle is convenient and free
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