**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 06 02:59:58 2012
Nov 06 06:24:41 * rwhitby suggest displaying a simple list of packages from the feed is a good first step for Preware in Enyo
Nov 06 06:47:08 <Herrie> In case someone needs to test new LunaCE binaries on TP, let me know, got a development laying around here :)
Nov 06 06:50:37 <ka6sox> Herrie, we have 2 new ones in the lunasysmgr-binaries.
Nov 06 06:51:09 <ka6sox> a 4.9.12 Beta and a 5.0.0 Alpha
Nov 06 07:06:47 <Herrie> Where can I find these?
Nov 06 07:06:50 <Herrie> https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-sysmgr ?
Nov 06 07:11:30 <JaMa> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2012/11/linux-foundation-announces-hp-become-platinum-member great!
Nov 06 07:12:43 <JaMa> probably wasn't motivated mostly by webos and oe-core, but thanks to HP anyway
Nov 06 07:13:55 <ka6sox> Herrie, sorry, needed to take care of my wife...let me find that...
Nov 06 07:14:49 <Herrie> OK :)
Nov 06 07:15:20 <ka6sox> https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr-binaries
Nov 06 07:18:07 <Herrie> OK will give it a go when I get back to work, need to head out in a few mins
Nov 06 07:18:54 <Herrie|Work> Any suggestions what would be optimal setup for OE build? Got pc upgraded to 8-core AMD FX-8150 with 16GB ram y'day ;) Should I run native under Ubuntu/Debian or would VirtualBox do just as well?
Nov 06 07:19:21 <ka6sox> Native will be much faster :D
Nov 06 07:21:48 <Herrie|Work> OK :) Any preference for Ubuntu or Debian? Still only 32 bit right?
Nov 06 07:25:17 <panda-z> 64-bit is ok for OE build
Nov 06 07:26:44 <ka6sox> 64-bit is okay and I *know* it works with 12.04 Debian.
Nov 06 07:27:47 <ka6sox> s/Debian/Ubuntu/
Nov 06 07:27:47 <WoceBot> ka6sox meant: 64-bit is okay and I *know* it works with 12.04 Ubuntu.
Nov 06 07:29:14 <Herrie|Work> OK so Ubuntu it will be ;)
Nov 06 07:29:21 <Herrie|Work> 32 bits is only for Desktop then right?
Nov 06 07:29:38 <Herrie|Work> 64 bits should be quicker to build compared to 32 bits I would say?
Nov 06 07:30:29 <panda-z> Herrie|Work: 64-bit also works for Desktop now.
Nov 06 07:31:10 <JaMa> panda-z: not all fixes for 64bit were applied upstream yet
Nov 06 07:31:15 <Herrie|Work> Ok, was this merged to master? I remember EricBlade got it sorted if I'm correct?
Nov 06 07:31:24 <panda-z> at lease 64-bit Ubuntu 12.04
Nov 06 07:31:52 <panda-z> s/lease/least/
Nov 06 07:31:53 <WoceBot> panda-z meant: at least 64-bit Ubuntu 12.04
Nov 06 07:32:20 <Herrie|Work> OK will get 64 bits installed natively later today then I guess :)
Nov 06 07:32:33 <JaMa> and does desktop-build build 64binaries?
Nov 06 07:32:49 <Herrie|Work> And go from there, more CPU power will definately help to get things sorted more quickly compared to my dual core LOL
Nov 06 07:32:52 <JaMa> or just 32bit on 64bit build machine?
Nov 06 07:33:10 <panda-z> JaMa: your PR which fixed qemux86-64 hasn't been excepted yet :P
Nov 06 07:33:28 <panda-z> JaMa: build native 64-bit binaries
Nov 06 07:33:32 <ka6sox> Herrie|Work, you might need to create woce builds using linux32 make lunace
Nov 06 07:33:46 <JaMa> Herrie|Work: I have FX-8120 and it's still slow to build everything :)
Nov 06 07:34:04 <panda-z> https://github.com/openwebos/build-desktop#supported-platforms
Nov 06 07:34:12 <JaMa> panda-z: there is also PR for browserserver and we need newer mojomail
Nov 06 07:34:38 <JaMa> https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos/commit/a73de461ad10c542f71a31dcd2818687c4d1ca02
Nov 06 07:34:42 <JaMa> https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos/commit/f3fd836f75339b9e0cf4a43d0f1186d116d96baf
Nov 06 07:34:55 <JaMa> that's why I'm surprised that desktop-build works
Nov 06 07:35:39 <Herrie|Work> Ok guys off to work, thnx for all info so far
Nov 06 07:37:58 <panda-z> but i ran into some issues with desktop build, the luna is misplacement
Nov 06 07:42:56 <panda-z> JaMa: forgot to say, the tag of BrowserServer i'm using is 0.7 not 0.4
Nov 06 07:44:46 <JaMa> 0.7 seems the same as master, what is using 0.4? default desktop build?
Nov 06 07:49:31 <panda-z> JaMa: yes, and how did you build desktop version?
Nov 06 07:50:27 <JaMa> I'm building only with OE
Nov 06 07:51:13 <JaMa> but I was building for qemux86-64, that's why it was failing here
Nov 06 07:51:14 <panda-z> you found the problem when building qemux86-64 target?
Nov 06 07:51:22 <panda-z> got it
Nov 06 07:52:29 <JaMa> panda-z: can you update palm-desktop-configure in qt to pass correct crossarch option?
Nov 06 07:53:17 <JaMa> in desktop build case the same as build arch
Nov 06 07:54:56 <panda-z> JaMa: after that, what should i do?
Nov 06 07:55:58 <panda-z> rebuild desktop version?
Nov 06 07:56:29 <JaMa> yes
Nov 06 07:58:02 <panda-z> JaMa: ah, you mean checking your crossarch patch with build-desktop, right? got it
Nov 06 08:00:33 <JaMa> yes, that change in configure breaks 32bit builds on 64bit builder (with OE), so crossarch patch fixes that (also for other archs)
Nov 06 08:01:00 <JaMa> but if it's applied in qt repo directly as suggested in https://github.com/openwebos/meta-webos/pull/33 then palm-desktop-configure needs to be updated to use that too
Nov 06 08:29:03 <hhh__> hello people myself harsha from India
Nov 06 08:29:10 <hhh__> I really have some trouble bulding openwebos for arm
Nov 06 08:29:22 <hhh__> This is the error I am getting http://pastebin.com/KJQWYNEN
Nov 06 08:30:42 <JaMa> hhh__: you need more ram or swap
Nov 06 08:54:03 <ka6sox> linking issue?
Nov 06 08:54:42 <JaMa> yes
Nov 06 08:54:58 <hhh__> are you sure I have 2 GB ram on virtual box
Nov 06 08:55:24 <hhh__> What I am seeing is assertion fail error
Nov 06 08:55:35 <JaMa> yes you need 6GB
Nov 06 08:55:36 <panda-z> hhh__: linking webkit needs a lot of ram
Nov 06 08:56:06 <ka6sox> hhh__, seen that error when you don't have enough ram or swap.
Nov 06 08:56:17 <hhh__> How is it relatd to assertion fail ? Can I get some more details ?
Nov 06 08:56:20 <JaMa> hhh__: you'll find ld killed by OOM killer in dmesg
Nov 06 08:56:51 <JaMa> hhh__: ld fails and then assertion error on it's output
Nov 06 08:57:28 <ka6sox> been there, done that, got the T-Shirt :D
Nov 06 08:57:30 <JaMa> it's not nice error message, but nobody will write last will when OOM killer asks :)
Nov 06 08:59:34 * JaMa off to bed, try #3
Nov 06 09:11:37 <JaMa> +28492  KiB luna-sysmgr
Nov 06 09:11:38 <JaMa> -5340  KiB luna-sysmgr
Nov 06 09:11:45 <JaMa> a lot bigger now
Nov 06 09:14:38 <panda-z> JaMa: OT - did you sleeped last night? thought you should have a sleep now :P
Nov 06 09:19:18 <JaMa> panda-z: I tried but cannot fall asleep
Nov 06 09:51:28 <ka6sox> JaMa, I guess I'm not the only one...
Nov 06 09:53:01 <JaMa> sometimes it happens, but not that often like you, from what I can guess from your presense here
Nov 06 09:54:38 * morphis can always sleep like a baby :D
Nov 06 09:58:45 <ka6sox> seems like I am here...
Nov 06 10:02:25 <morphis> :)
Nov 06 10:03:48 <JaMa> ka6sox: are you saying that sometimes I talk with your bot? :)
Nov 06 10:04:48 <ka6sox> either that or a severely sleep deprived person (they are indistinguishable)
Nov 06 10:04:52 <JaMa> and the same bot can create github repositories (very dangenours feature) and also bring water (very good feature) :)
Nov 06 10:05:58 <ka6sox> what good is a "safe" bot?
Nov 06 10:08:31 <morphis> =)
Nov 06 11:23:28 <penk> morning!
Nov 06 15:02:52 <ka6sox> bb14hrs
Nov 06 15:08:18 <swisstomcat> has anyone played with a popupalert yet?
Nov 06 17:17:13 <morphis> heyho
Nov 06 18:28:03 <EricBlade> mornin
Nov 06 18:29:37 <penk> EricBlade: morning!
Nov 06 18:29:56 <EricBlade> what's happenin
Nov 06 18:35:55 <penk> not much lately
Nov 06 18:36:15 <Herrie|Work> Hey Penk!
Nov 06 18:36:27 <Herrie> Good seeing you here again ;)
Nov 06 18:36:33 <penk> Herrie: hello
Nov 06 18:36:57 <Herrie> I'll soon have my Pre2 delivered to play with ;)
Nov 06 18:37:05 <Herrie> It uses the same family chipset as your Nook Color ;)
Nov 06 18:37:19 <penk> Herrie: where do you get it? on ebay?
Nov 06 18:37:44 <Herrie> Bought from Amazon ;)
Nov 06 18:37:47 <Herrie> New ;)
Nov 06 18:37:52 <Herrie> But price was OK ;)
Nov 06 18:38:03 <penk> cool, too bad can't have battery international shipping
Nov 06 18:38:14 <Herrie> Battery should be fine
Nov 06 18:38:18 <Herrie> NEver had problems in the past
Nov 06 18:38:22 <Herrie> Had many things from US
Nov 06 18:38:29 <Herrie> Recently TP 4G without issues
Nov 06 18:39:04 <Herrie> Got tons of phones, tablets etc from US in the past without issues
Nov 06 18:39:12 <penk> really
Nov 06 18:39:18 <Herrie> Yup :)
Nov 06 18:39:33 <Herrie> I user borderlinx.com for sending my packages to with domestic US shipping
Nov 06 18:39:52 <Herrie> They will collect different packages for up to a month and can send it in 1 go with DHL
Nov 06 18:40:00 <Herrie> Do need to pay customs upfront, but delivery is quick
Nov 06 18:40:10 <Herrie> 2 working days from US to NL with DHL ;)
Nov 06 18:40:58 <penk> DHL, I'll keep that in mind
Nov 06 18:41:00 <penk> :P
Nov 06 18:41:12 <Herrie> Quite good if you regularly order from US
Nov 06 18:41:28 <Herrie> This way you can get free/low US shipping and combine shipments into 1 :)
Nov 06 18:41:39 <Herrie> And only pay 1x international shipping :)
Nov 06 18:41:55 <Herrie> Your Nook port, runs as OpenEmbedded or ??
Nov 06 18:42:05 <penk> I thought batteries aren't allowed to be on planes anymore..
Nov 06 18:42:10 <penk> Herrie: that's desktop build
Nov 06 18:42:14 <Herrie> Ah ok
Nov 06 18:43:23 <EricBlade> penk: i was told spare batteries must be in carryon bags, not in checked
Nov 06 18:45:49 <Herrie> So you have a full desktop build running on the Nook, or just LunaSysMgr?
Nov 06 18:46:51 <penk> Herrie: full build of course, and SGX 530 driver / libs
Nov 06 18:56:31 * EricBlade builds webkit ..... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Nov 06 18:57:31 <Herrie> OK, you have your code somewhere so I can piggyback from that ;) ?
Nov 06 19:00:00 <penk> Herrie: binaries here ftp://106.187.54.8/OWO/
Nov 06 19:00:30 <penk> will commit build-webos-desktop.sh later, when I finish the verify build… (now building nodejs..)
Nov 06 19:13:10 <Herrie> thnx
Nov 06 19:35:25 <Herrie> OK got latest LunaCE 4.9.12 binary installed on TP, any specific things i need to test?
Nov 06 19:38:42 <Herrie> Version seems to show 4.9.10 still?
Nov 06 19:39:57 <Herrie> md5sum LunaSysMgr
Nov 06 19:39:57 <Herrie> aaf9b3bb4bd9596e7fe9332f466c9851  LunaSysMgr
Nov 06 19:48:38 <HaDAk> Herrie: when did that update come out?
Nov 06 19:57:32 <Herrie> Not, but binary has been committed ;)
Nov 06 19:57:33 <Herrie> https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr-binaries
Nov 06 19:57:44 <Herrie> By ShiftyAxel, 19hrs ago ;)
Nov 06 19:58:01 <Herrie> They were looking for volunteers to test run ;)
Nov 06 19:58:50 <HaDAk> oh
Nov 06 19:59:07 <HaDAk> no changelog?
Nov 06 19:59:10 <Herrie> Installs OK, but don't know what to test ;)
Nov 06 19:59:21 <HaDAk> no changelog will do that.
Nov 06 19:59:32 <Herrie> It's binary, so no changes to see either in code
Nov 06 19:59:39 <HaDAk> yeah
Nov 06 20:01:30 <Herrie> Guess we need to wait for ShiftyAxel to get back ;0
Nov 06 20:01:32 <Herrie> ;)
Nov 06 20:01:36 <Herrie> ping ShiftyAxel
Nov 06 20:41:40 <micro-tech> HaDak  you need a appinfo.json  and a framwork_config.json  file in your preware- Enyo  work
Nov 06 20:42:19 <micro-tech> then you can palm-package and then install it on the touchpad
Nov 06 20:44:46 <HaDAk> micro-tech: i found this method works http://forums.enyojs.com/discussion/947/getting-ready-to-deploy-an-app-for-testing#latest
Nov 06 20:45:04 <HaDAk> micro-tech: maybe you have more information or examples on your method? i'd prefer not to have to rely on another framework to do a seemingly simple job
Nov 06 20:46:14 <Herrie> PhoneGap offers some advantages (cross platform development etc), but it's a bit bloated if you develop just for webOS
Nov 06 20:47:12 <HaDAk> it's the only clear-cut method i've been offered. nothing i've tried for normal/enyo1 packaging techniques has worked.
Nov 06 20:47:31 <micro-tech> ya phone is cross platform.  aim old school yet :(
Nov 06 20:47:55 <HaDAk> since i'm developing something webos-specific, it would be nice to have lower overhead
Nov 06 20:48:03 <HaDAk> but for testing, i dont' care *that* much
Nov 06 20:48:38 <Herrie> Lemme have a quick look, been a while since I touched Enyop
Nov 06 20:49:54 <HaDAk> https://github.com/skipmeister123/preware-enyo2
Nov 06 20:50:32 <bhuey> folks
Nov 06 20:50:42 <micro-tech> well for the old school look in the SDK doc that you got with the SDK.  it has a tutorial for a simple app that will
Nov 06 20:50:47 <micro-tech> get you going
Nov 06 20:51:04 <HaDAk> i'm talking enyo2 specific stuff
Nov 06 20:52:19 <micro-tech> what are you testing on a touch pad
Nov 06 20:52:31 <HaDAk> yes
Nov 06 20:54:54 <micro-tech> the touch pad is Enyo 1.  to make a enyo 2 app load on it. you need to add a appinfo.skin and a framwork_config.json
Nov 06 20:56:07 <micro-tech> then you can package with the palm-package and install  or at lest that how I ha e been doing it
Nov 06 20:56:12 <HaDAk> [15:45]  <HaDAk> micro-tech: maybe you have more information or examples on your method? i'd prefer not to have to rely on another framework to do a seemingly simple job
Nov 06 20:58:17 <micro-tech> I have .    https://github.com/micro-tech/Palmed_BootPlate
Nov 06 20:59:17 <micro-tech> a bootplate that package and install on the touchpad
Nov 06 21:00:07 <HaDAk> excellent. i can just pull out the appinfo.json and framework_config.json from that, and it should work?
Nov 06 21:00:11 <micro-tech> you may have to date the Enyo and the lib in it
Nov 06 21:01:31 <HaDAk> fantastic. i'll give that a shot.
Nov 06 21:01:34 <HaDAk> thank you micro-tech
Nov 06 21:01:37 <HaDAk> micro-tech++
Nov 06 21:01:38 <micro-tech> yes but change the app info and dev I'd or my name and app name will be wrong
Nov 06 21:01:45 <HaDAk> well, yeah
Nov 06 21:01:55 <micro-tech> :)
Nov 06 21:04:26 <micro-tech> one more info. preware  is Mojo the old framework not Enyo just for you info
Nov 06 21:05:27 <HaDAk> yeah. it's proving quite difficult to read/translate the code.
Nov 06 21:05:37 <HaDAk> if you have any insight into the inner workings, i'd love a helping hand.
Nov 06 21:05:50 <HaDAk> i can do UI all day long, but implementing the functionality is going to take more than just me
Nov 06 21:06:10 <HaDAk> also, thanks -- i can now use palm-package. :)
Nov 06 21:06:26 <micro-tech> that were you going to lose me to aim all self taugh
Nov 06 21:06:52 <HaDAk> yeah, me too.
Nov 06 21:08:05 <micro-tech> ya palm-package then palm-install    but the doc in the SDK help alot
Nov 06 21:10:54 <HaDAk> hum. there was a problem with that index.html
Nov 06 21:10:57 <HaDAk> trying my debug.html
Nov 06 21:11:04 <HaDAk> that worked.
Nov 06 21:11:06 * HaDAk shrugs
Nov 06 21:12:15 <micro-tech> cool build the app then when it wors
Nov 06 21:13:05 <micro-tech> works good run the minfi  in the tools before release
Nov 06 21:15:25 <HaDAk> it gives me "no node found in path"
Nov 06 21:17:14 <HaDAk> i've got a long way to go before i'm ready to mess with that though.
Nov 06 21:17:24 <HaDAk> ok, busy important things to do. bbl.
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