**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 13 02:59:58 2012 Dec 13 05:25:17 evening Wormo Dec 13 05:25:23 hi there Dec 13 05:25:31 morphis, meet Wormo Dec 13 05:25:41 Wormo: hey Dec 13 05:26:01 hi, I'm long-time friend of ka6sox from LUG Dec 13 05:26:10 Wormo: I heard you want to help us :) Dec 13 05:26:15 yes Dec 13 05:26:30 She has a Touchpad and a Pixi+ Dec 13 05:27:00 I wish to be able to continue to run webos after these die off Dec 13 05:27:15 I call that Motivation :D Dec 13 05:27:41 hehe Dec 13 05:28:34 I fixed her TP today Dec 13 05:28:44 yay what was it btw Dec 13 05:29:35 I plugged it into my souper sekret fixer cable and was able to fix it :D Dec 13 05:29:56 You didn't have to crack it open? Dec 13 05:30:12 depends on what you call "cracked open" :D Dec 13 05:30:29 case open so you can see guts Dec 13 05:30:32 I have a special cable that allows me to wake up the dead... Dec 13 05:30:34 magic :) Dec 13 05:30:57 it's chip that controls charging then? Dec 13 05:31:14 was not allowing it? Dec 13 05:31:16 I have a serial cable for it... Dec 13 05:31:29 and was able to console into it Dec 13 05:31:50 So it was getting power after all? I saw no signs of life while trying to charge Dec 13 05:31:56 right Dec 13 05:32:23 but with this cable I was able to wake it up from being "mostly Dead..." Dec 13 05:32:44 So I will get back a zombie board ;) Dec 13 05:33:06 no, it was "mostly dead" not DEADBEEF DEAD/.. Dec 13 05:33:28 anyways... Dec 13 05:33:55 now you have a dev device :D Dec 13 05:35:55 you played with sleep stuff before? Dec 13 05:36:39 not yet, my embedded devices have mostly been plugged in all the time Dec 13 05:37:10 not power sensitive like mobile Dec 13 05:38:17 the new phone will need to sleep or die quickly :D Dec 13 05:38:35 what's the power draw while awake? Dec 13 05:39:05 I should find out... Dec 13 05:39:25 need to add w1 support Dec 13 05:42:43 thats something someone should really do: power measurement Dec 13 05:43:11 it's somewhat unknown yet how well the device behaves already with openwebos on it Dec 13 05:43:20 and where we can fix it in the kernel Dec 13 05:43:27 as we're not doing the same than android Dec 13 05:43:33 we're completely disable wakelocks Dec 13 05:43:40 so we're in untested environment Dec 13 05:44:43 * ka6sox brings the car battery in the cart behind :D Dec 13 05:46:20 morphis, where are things with libhybris... Dec 13 05:47:54 ka6sox: yes Dec 13 05:48:11 Wormo: do you have much experience with graphics (EGL/GLES/qt)? Dec 13 05:49:10 unfortunately not yet, well a bit of qt but that's not my favorite -- do more non-graphics driver work Dec 13 05:49:38 PCI, SPI, etc Dec 13 05:50:24 Wormo: sadly I am running out of time but for the big picture where we are atm: Dec 13 05:50:36 we're using binary egl/gles drivers from android Dec 13 05:50:42 interface through libhybris Dec 13 05:51:16 which deals with bionic vs glibc for instance Dec 13 05:51:20 yes Dec 13 05:51:34 modified glibc Dec 13 05:51:36 but with this solution we're bound to only one process which can do the rendering Dec 13 05:51:45 ka6sox: no, modified bionic Dec 13 05:51:49 glibc is not modified Dec 13 05:51:52 ah, okahy Dec 13 05:52:08 so we need to implement some offscreen rendering and buffer sharing Dec 13 05:52:30 I see Dec 13 05:52:42 Wormo: https://github.com/morphis/libhybris/blob/morphis/egl-offscreen/tests/test_offscreen_rendering.cpp Dec 13 05:52:53 in the example application it works already Dec 13 05:53:07 but we need to clean this up and wrap it into webos Dec 13 05:53:32 does it still black screen? Dec 13 05:53:35 no Dec 13 05:53:38 it works again Dec 13 05:53:41 kewl Dec 13 05:53:57 Wormo: I think a good start would if you play around with libhybris Dec 13 05:54:00 get it compile Dec 13 05:54:08 (you can only compile it for ARM atm) Dec 13 05:54:12 Ok Dec 13 05:54:17 and understand the bits Dec 13 05:54:28 have to leave in a few minutes Dec 13 05:54:29 I bet there is a recipe already Dec 13 05:54:34 yes Dec 13 05:54:43 no problem, I can come back tomorrow night (morning for you?) Dec 13 05:54:47 it's completely integrated Dec 13 05:54:54 yes morning for me :) Dec 13 05:55:11 if you have questions stskeeps can help too (if he has power that day) Dec 13 05:55:19 thanks Dec 13 05:55:35 has power?? Dec 13 05:56:29 yesterday no power where he was Dec 13 10:06:50 folks Dec 13 17:55:44 morning all Dec 13 18:12:04 morning ! Dec 13 18:12:46 morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 14 02:59:35 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 14 03:00:19 2012 Dec 14 05:12:36 interesting: http://www.nexusinternals.org/wiki/Main_Page Dec 14 13:41:31 morning Dec 14 15:36:24 ugly git submodules! Dec 14 16:44:14 JaMa, should we have a campaign to eliminate them from the world? Dec 14 17:21:46 ka6sox: yes :) Dec 14 17:28:20 I'll go get the sandwich boards and protester signs Dec 14 20:52:19 has any work been done, or is any work currently being done on a phone app, yet? Dec 14 20:53:11 * ka6sox checks the repos.... Dec 14 20:54:22 looks like the telephony-daemon is somewhat there...but no app that I see Dec 14 20:55:29 i figured i'd ask. ya know, to get some sort of conversation started here :P Dec 14 20:56:01 what's this about SGNexus booting openwebos? :) Dec 14 20:56:12 I had a palm pre plus for verizon and I now own a vzw Galaxy Nexus. Really hoping one day I can fully run webos on it Dec 14 20:56:37 I'll totally help port node services and such on to it, if it ever boots Dec 14 20:58:25 I really miss webos Dec 14 20:59:29 Any updates on the progress of Open WebOS on the GNex? Haven't heard anything in a while Dec 14 21:00:05 One day I hope I can use this as my daily driver Dec 14 21:00:23 Me too. My Pre3 while have to suffice for now though. Dec 14 21:01:23 I actually wish I had a pre 3 webos was my favorite platform so I really hope webos-ports can pull this off Dec 14 21:01:48 I'm either going Mozilla B2G or WebOS Dec 14 21:01:59 so if they get the GNex, I can get both. Dec 14 21:02:00 I have no doubt they will. They'll pulled off some pretty incredible stuff in the past. Dec 14 21:05:51 I would definitely try out webos on my gnex if it is stable enough! Dec 14 21:10:00 bobster922, i can gaurentee that the CDMA radio will never work on OWO GNex Dec 14 21:10:19 hm Dec 14 21:10:26 is it closed source? --- but it's a Nexus Dec 14 21:10:29 CDMA=closed source Dec 14 21:10:41 they offer binary blobs Dec 14 21:10:42 so how did cdma ever get on the device? lol? Dec 14 21:10:43 But..but..but.. Dec 14 21:11:11 That kind of defeats the purpose of the Nexus, no Dec 14 21:11:11 Why does the nexus 4 not have lte? because closed source Dec 14 21:11:22 Seriously? LTE too? Dec 14 21:11:25 lte is gsm Dec 14 21:11:30 some lte is Dec 14 21:11:43 matbee, it boots already Dec 14 21:11:55 is it pretty to make that happen right now...NO... Dec 14 21:11:57 I'll have to pick up a nexus :) Dec 14 21:12:20 GSM nexus will make phone calls Dec 14 21:12:26 VZW nexus will not Dec 14 21:13:36 For real? Like I know lte is only for data and cdma is for talk and text but I have created android roms and I just download the cdma radios Dec 14 21:18:33 So for sure no vzw nexus support? Dec 14 21:20:03 WE will not redistribute closed source binarys.... Dec 14 21:20:15 bobster922, can you reverse engineer the modem protocol? Dec 14 21:21:06 yes? Dec 14 21:21:13 bobster922, the build of owo will likely work 100% normally on a vzw nexus MINUS the ability to use 1x/2g/3g/4g Dec 14 21:22:22 Well considering that I use my gnex as my actual phone I guess you guys will just have to let me know how good it is Dec 14 21:42:41 matbee, we have kind of a chicken and egg situation... Dec 14 21:45:06 and we can also test this on touchpads too so it doesnt' *have* to be on a new device... Dec 14 21:45:22 the conversion needs to take place anyways :D Dec 14 21:45:31 we can call it the CE version of the apps Dec 14 21:46:26 Yeah, I couldn't get a TP due to assholes buying them up and reselling them Dec 14 21:47:10 My pre2 is useless, constantly crashing on me Dec 14 21:47:53 Eventually I gave up trying to buy a TP, people still trying to sell them for $200+ Dec 14 21:48:04 I wanted to pick up a pre 3 but I really want to keep 4g Dec 15 02:06:50 I'd be lost without my pre3 Dec 15 02:08:55 ragingmind: <3 my pre3! Dec 15 02:26:25 Is there a non-hp/palm phone that has a day-to-day usable implementation of open-webos on it? Dec 15 02:26:35 Susurrus: not yet Dec 15 02:26:55 :-( Dec 15 02:27:02 patience, grasshoppa Dec 15 02:27:06 porting a whole OS takes time Dec 15 02:27:22 it's being worked though, don't worry about that :P Dec 15 02:27:23 Wondering what's going to happen first, FirefoxOS or WebOS on new hardware. Dec 15 02:27:30 lol Dec 15 02:27:42 omg i should maybe try to get that started! Dec 15 02:27:43 well, both already have bootable proof of concept images Dec 15 02:27:45 TONIGHT ! Dec 15 02:28:00 and both are under active development Dec 15 02:28:09 ShiftyAxel: you have another volunteer Dec 15 02:28:17 fxspec06_: for? Dec 15 02:28:30 i want to help now. i have until january 22 off Dec 15 02:28:33 from school Dec 15 02:28:35 no more school Dec 15 02:28:37 :D Dec 15 02:28:41 hey, same here Dec 15 02:28:47 save for holiday work, but that's manageable Dec 15 02:28:49 this is my :D face Dec 15 02:28:56 * fxspec06_ :D Dec 15 02:29:05 your enyo-fu is strong, yes? Dec 15 02:29:26 yes. i have nearly mastered the power of the enyo Dec 15 02:29:53 most excellent, I could do with a hand putting together these core app replacements if you'd be up for it? Dec 15 02:31:18 i'm down. let me go get food and i'll be back ready in a few Dec 15 02:31:23 sure thing Dec 15 02:32:01 I'll continue hacking on my excellent new proof of concept for parallax funtime until then Dec 15 02:32:42 ShiftyAxel: Why do the core apps need replacement? Dec 15 02:32:56 they're all written in enyo1 at the moment Dec 15 02:33:36 which means they don't scale very well to different screen sizes, there's a lot of hard-coding to the touchpad's screen res/dpi Dec 15 02:34:00 plus enyo2 offers a lot of other benefits such as better standards compliance, lower overhead, better portiability, etc Dec 15 02:34:09 s/portiability/portability/ Dec 15 02:34:48 oh, and better performance Dec 15 02:35:35 plus, it has on-the-fly reflowing for panels (like the sliding panes in the email app) Dec 15 02:35:39 which is freakin' awesome Dec 15 02:36:13 So with the rewrite for 2 would these be runnable on the web, cause I think enyo2 works in browsers, right? Dec 15 02:51:03 Susurrus: I write all my enyo2 apps using a text editor and google chrome Dec 15 02:51:10 the new version of Memos included Dec 15 02:51:40 so in the long-term, some fancy cross-sync may be possible, if you were about to ask that :) Dec 15 02:51:54 but it's not on the radar atm, since we need a working OS and a bunch of other stuff first Dec 15 02:52:04 So are these complete reimplementations or just modifications? Dec 15 02:52:09 Haha, yeah, a working OS would be nice. Dec 15 02:52:11 total replacements Dec 15 02:52:22 written from scratch, so far by me :) Dec 15 02:52:44 Hopefully you're a good coder then! ;-) Dec 15 02:52:51 How many are left to convert? Dec 15 02:52:55 I'd like to think so, yes :p Dec 15 02:53:05 well, so far memos is the only one I've done Dec 15 02:53:36 I started a couple of weeks back Dec 15 02:53:52 there's a unified settings app in the works also Dec 15 02:56:29 i'm going to sign off here so it's less confusing.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 15 02:59:58 2012