**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 20 03:00:00 2012
Dec 20 04:21:27 * DougReeder waves hello
Dec 20 04:30:59 <swisstomcat> rehi
Dec 20 04:34:18 <swisstomcat> everyone hacking away? let me know if you need help ...
Dec 20 04:35:13 <ka6sox> Garfonso had to drop out (he is in Germany) but he pushed everything up
Dec 20 04:35:22 <ka6sox> so we need to continue with that
Dec 20 04:37:08 <swisstomcat> allright
Dec 20 04:37:13 <swisstomcat> what was his repo again?
Dec 20 04:39:37 <bhuey> hey
Dec 20 04:43:11 <ShiftyAxel> https://github.com/Garfonso/preware-enyo2
Dec 20 04:43:20 <ShiftyAxel> swisstomcat^^
Dec 20 04:48:09 <swisstomcat> thx
Dec 20 04:48:35 <swisstomcat> what was he working on last?
Dec 20 04:49:37 <ka6sox> [18:30] 	<Garfonso>	hehe.. yes, pushed my last changes. App loads again and tries to update feeds if you tap "loadFeeds".
Dec 20 04:49:37 <ka6sox> [18:30] 	<Garfonso>	but it fails. ;)
Dec 20 04:49:52 <ka6sox> the feed reading bits
Dec 20 04:52:09 <swisstomcat> k
Dec 20 04:53:33 <ka6sox> thats a critical path thing
Dec 20 04:53:35 <swisstomcat> it only works on-device, i guess?
Dec 20 04:53:47 <ka6sox> the service is C iirc
Dec 20 04:53:54 <ka6sox> so use your TP
Dec 20 04:56:05 <swisstomcat> installing ...
Dec 20 04:58:44 <swisstomcat> hmm, the connection status seems to fail
Dec 20 04:58:56 <swisstomcat> even if i'm on wifi
Dec 20 05:00:43 <ka6sox> on the TP?
Dec 20 05:02:05 <swisstomcat> maybe not .. looking at the source
Dec 20 05:07:43 <sugardave> strange, I recall Lumberjack Enyo 1 working in the past.  oil's note said I needed to create the ls2 service directories pub and prv, but they already exist
Dec 20 05:08:04 <swisstomcat> can't you install the old mojo lumberjack?
Dec 20 05:08:11 <swisstomcat> and then just use those services?
Dec 20 05:08:18 <oil> they use the same service
Dec 20 05:08:24 <swisstomcat> oh?
Dec 20 05:08:44 <swisstomcat> object preware.app has no method loadFeeds
Dec 20 05:09:56 <swisstomcat> looks like a function is missing
Dec 20 05:10:49 <swisstomcat> is that all in models/feeds.js?
Dec 20 05:11:33 <swisstomcat> looks like ...
Dec 20 05:11:50 <swisstomcat> i wonder tho why the wifi connection is not recognized
Dec 20 05:14:01 <swisstomcat> the data returned from connectionmanager seems strange .. not what i would expect
Dec 20 05:21:01 <swisstomcat> oh, it's using webos-ext for service calls ...
Dec 20 05:23:34 <swisstomcat> looks very different from "usual" service calls :)
Dec 20 05:24:24 <swisstomcat> oh, it's using enyo.bind internally
Dec 20 05:28:49 <swisstomcat> sigh .. why does everyon insist of doing service calls some other way :/
Dec 20 05:29:29 <ka6sox> because up till now we only had the Mojo Way (and this was done a LONG time ago)
Dec 20 05:30:16 <swisstomcat> ok, made some progress
Dec 20 05:37:08 <ka6sox> swisstomcat, before you jet off can you put anything you make progress up somewhere that we can pull it in?
Dec 20 05:37:42 <swisstomcat> yeah
Dec 20 05:37:47 <swisstomcat> i'm leaving tomorrow at 7:30pm
Dec 20 05:38:18 <swisstomcat> i'm trying to figure out what to do next (i fixed the connection status problem)
Dec 20 05:38:26 <swisstomcat> it calls loadFeeds next
Dec 20 05:49:04 <swisstomcat> hmm
Dec 20 05:49:19 <swisstomcat> calling the ipkgservice with method get_configs returns undefined
Dec 20 05:51:06 <morphis> swisstomcat: wasn't it getConfigs?
Dec 20 05:51:35 <morphis> root@tuna:~# luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/getConfigs {}
Dec 20 05:51:36 <morphis> {"configs": [{"config": "optware.conf", "enabled": true, "contents": "src/gz optware http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/optware/all<br>src/gz optware-armv7 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/optware/armv7"}, {"config": "webos-internals.conf", "enabled": true, "contents": "src/gz webosinternals http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all<br>src/gz webosinternals-armv7 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7"}], "returnValue": true}
Dec 20 05:53:32 <swisstomcat> hmm, get_configs is in ipkgservice.js
Dec 20 06:00:35 <swisstomcat> making slow progress ....
Dec 20 06:09:06 <swisstomcat> loaded feeds .. success:true \0/
Dec 20 06:12:43 <ka6sox> kewl!
Dec 20 06:33:11 <swisstomcat> hmm, since when does an array have a sort function?!
Dec 20 06:37:09 <oil> javascript 1.1?
Dec 20 06:37:28 <oil> (according to w3schools)
Dec 20 06:38:13 <swisstomcat> oh
Dec 20 06:38:16 <swisstomcat> new to me :)
Dec 20 06:40:52 <swisstomcat> hmm, there's no <br> in the feed contents is there?
Dec 20 06:41:17 <oil> possibly in the description
Dec 20 06:41:36 <swisstomcat> [20121219-22:39:41.008598] info: feed:src/gz palm-web https://b2a386ca6dfc600e07 b15d4b:d05e5416c0bcd2a7@ipkg.apptuckerbox.com/feeds/palm-web/en_US, source/model /feeds.js:60
Dec 20 06:41:52 <oil> oh, that data, hopefully not
Dec 20 06:42:14 <swisstomcat> it's the returned data from the getConfigs call
Dec 20 06:44:22 <swisstomcat> oh. typo too
Dec 20 06:44:27 <swisstomcat> lenght doesn't really work
Dec 20 06:47:46 <swisstomcat> allright, allright
Dec 20 06:47:48 <swisstomcat> feeds loaded
Dec 20 06:54:00 <swisstomcat> ok, i subscribe to a feed that needs to be downloaded
Dec 20 06:54:02 <swisstomcat> but all i get is
Dec 20 06:54:04 <swisstomcat> [20121219-22:52:51.361105] info: response:{"returnValue":true,"stage":"begin"}, source/App.js:189
Dec 20 06:54:15 <swisstomcat> looks like it's not subscribing
Dec 20 06:54:20 <oil> looks like
Dec 20 06:54:29 <swisstomcat> or dying
Dec 20 06:54:35 <oil> the callback should get multiple requests starting with begin
Dec 20 07:03:13 <swisstomcat> sigh
Dec 20 07:03:25 <swisstomcat> those servicecalls in webos-ext are based on enyo.async
Dec 20 07:03:35 <swisstomcat> can't we have something simple ...
Dec 20 07:07:03 <ka6sox> the feed IIRC is gzip file that gets curl'd and then parsed right?
Dec 20 07:07:32 <ka6sox> as the parsing goes on it also curl's the iconfiles from our server
Dec 20 07:07:44 <swisstomcat> we should really decide on phonegap or webos-ext and stick with it
Dec 20 07:08:12 <swisstomcat> i'll submit a pull request with my few changes
Dec 20 07:08:18 <swisstomcat> and then hit the hay
Dec 20 07:08:24 <ka6sox> okay
Dec 20 07:08:40 <ka6sox> the question is how soon can phonegap get what we need from webos-ext?
Dec 20 07:08:55 <swisstomcat> IMHO it works right now
Dec 20 07:09:10 <swisstomcat> e.g service calls
Dec 20 07:09:15 <swisstomcat> and i can add the back gesture
Dec 20 07:09:54 <ka6sox> the primary issue for US has been that nobody told us that phonegap was the "official" way...so we did our *own* thing.
Dec 20 07:10:16 <swisstomcat> agree
Dec 20 07:10:32 <ka6sox> so thats why you are seeing this issue NOW.
Dec 20 07:10:32 <swisstomcat> blog post is probably going out tomorrow
Dec 20 07:11:12 <swisstomcat> if i compare how webos-ext does service calls and how phonegap does it the second just seems a lot easier (to me :)
Dec 20 07:11:40 <ka6sox> nobody has said NO we won't go with phonegap...so when we get back gestures in we can deprecate webos-ext
Dec 20 07:11:50 <swisstomcat> but we'll have to rewrite stuf
Dec 20 07:11:51 <swisstomcat> f
Dec 20 07:12:00 <swisstomcat> if we switch from one to the other
Dec 20 07:13:10 <ka6sox> then the priority needs to be getting what we need into phonegap so that we get webos-ext gone ASAP
Dec 20 07:13:45 <swisstomcat> we haven't even looked at the back-gesture in preware
Dec 20 07:13:58 <swisstomcat> so what we need now (e.g service calls) is already in there
Dec 20 07:25:17 <swisstomcat> https://github.com/Garfonso/preware-enyo2/pull/1
Dec 20 07:26:17 <ka6sox> tyvm
Dec 20 07:26:46 <ka6sox> with a patched version of phonegap I think we can move forward and consolidate stuff.
Dec 20 07:28:37 <swisstomcat> https://github.com/Garfonso/preware-enyo2/pull/2
Dec 20 07:28:44 <swisstomcat> good
Dec 20 07:28:51 <swisstomcat> ok, time to hit the hay
Dec 20 07:28:56 <ka6sox> niters!
Dec 20 07:28:58 <ka6sox> thanks!
Dec 20 07:29:07 <swisstomcat> we did lots of good work today!
Dec 20 07:29:17 <ka6sox> yup
Dec 20 07:29:32 <ka6sox> tomorrow we can get the enyo2 ducks in a row for support.
Dec 20 07:29:47 <swisstomcat> too bad i have to fly back
Dec 20 07:30:38 <ka6sox> ya,
Dec 20 07:30:51 <ka6sox> if we have patched libs I think we can use them.
Dec 20 11:46:13 <virox> ka6sox: I've added the icon to the graphics page ;)
Dec 20 11:48:08 <Garfonso> morning ;)
Dec 20 11:53:06 <virox> morning
Dec 20 12:07:49 <Garfonso> the webos-ports-lib back gesture doesn't seem to work on firefox. :(
Dec 20 12:12:15 <Garfonso> firefox doesn't set "keyIdentifier" for the keyup event..? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla_event_reference/keyup
Dec 20 12:58:30 <Garfonso> it also doesn't work on 2.x phones..?
Dec 20 13:11:45 <panda-z> indeed, back gesture doesn't work on pre3
Dec 20 13:13:31 <Garfonso> it kind of works if you add "ev.keyCode === 27" to the if in BackGesture.js. This also enables esc in firefox.
Dec 20 13:13:33 <panda-z> and just confirmed it doesn't work on firefox 17.0.1, either
Dec 20 13:14:09 <Garfonso> but on 2.x phones this has the issue that the app gets minimized to card on every back gesture additionally to your app doing something.
Dec 20 13:25:05 <Garfonso> I think arthur thornton broke that. :p
Dec 20 13:56:19 <ka6sox> he he
Dec 20 13:56:24 <ka6sox> morning Garfonso
Dec 20 13:56:28 <lukegb> morning all
Dec 20 13:56:38 <ka6sox> did you see the 2 pull requestions Garfonso?
Dec 20 13:59:51 <ka6sox> Garfonso, I think that soon phonegap 2 will have the backgesture bits
Dec 20 14:00:12 <ka6sox> need coffee...bbiaf
Dec 20 14:10:34 <Garfonso> yes, I saw the pull requests and merged them.
Dec 20 14:15:02 <HaDAk> Garfonso: aw, what happened to my ui? :(
Dec 20 14:18:27 <ka6sox> virox, thanks for uploading that
Dec 20 14:18:30 <ka6sox> bbl
Dec 20 14:18:33 <ka6sox> driving north
Dec 20 14:20:34 * lukegb submits another pull request to Garfonso
Dec 20 14:22:16 <Garfonso> oops. ;)
Dec 20 14:22:28 <lukegb> boom
Dec 20 14:22:39 <lukegb> I'm playing with desktop webos ;)
Dec 20 14:26:54 <lukegb> woo
Dec 20 14:27:00 <lukegb> got preware2 to launch in desktop webos
Dec 20 14:28:03 <lukegb> hmm
Dec 20 14:28:26 <lukegb> Garfonso: deploy.sh doesn't copy appinfo.json - bug or intentional (do you know? ;) )
Dec 20 14:29:14 <Garfonso> deploy.sh doesn't know about appinfo.json, because it's enyo2 only... appinfo.json is webOS.
Dec 20 14:29:24 <lukegb> gak
Dec 20 14:29:32 <lukegb> also, source/Tweet.js
Dec 20 14:29:39 <Garfonso> I created appinfo.json manually ;)
Dec 20 14:30:05 <Garfonso> that's not needed. It's from the tutorial. Can be deleted.
Dec 20 14:30:18 <lukegb> (it's floating around in your repo)
Dec 20 14:30:26 <lukegb> too lazy to submit a PR for it ;)
Dec 20 14:30:56 * DougReeder waves hello
Dec 20 14:31:03 <lukegb> o/
Dec 20 14:31:44 <Garfonso> hi DougReeder
Dec 20 14:32:34 <DougReeder> Is there a wiki or somesuch showing open questions, or should I just have left IRC open?
Dec 20 14:34:08 <DougReeder> Ah, the Hackathon Apps page; I shouls search more before asking.
Dec 20 14:34:43 <lukegb> hmm
Dec 20 14:36:11 <DougReeder> What unit test framework(s) are people using for the apps?
Dec 20 14:37:48 <lukegb> Garfonso: I'm doing a bit of work on porting ipkgservice over to pbnjson from mjson
Dec 20 17:17:33 <swisstomcat> morning
Dec 20 18:09:45 <HaDAk> ack. he left.
Dec 20 18:20:04 <EricBlade> gm peeps
Dec 20 18:20:52 <HaDAk> it's rainy, EricBlade
Dec 20 18:21:08 <EricBlade> i've heard that
Dec 20 18:21:44 <EricBlade> i have to say that Sunnyvale is living up to it's name right now
Dec 20 18:21:54 <oilsworkn> its sunny?
Dec 20 18:22:00 <EricBlade> extremely
Dec 20 18:22:32 <oilsworkn> its been snowing here
Dec 20 18:24:47 <sugardave> sunny, but it's been pretty cold the last couple of days
Dec 20 18:25:38 <scoutcamper> EricBlade, its comming your way, its raining quite alot up here(3.5hrs north of you)
Dec 20 18:25:44 <oilsworkn> I almost got stuck at the end of my driveway on tuesday
Dec 20 18:25:55 <EricBlade> scoutcamper: i'll be in the air by then!
Dec 20 18:26:07 <scoutcamper> heh
Dec 20 18:26:57 <HaDAk> my post on reddit is blowing up
Dec 20 18:26:57 <HaDAk> http://www.reddit.com/r/DIY/comments/155irq/i_didnt_have_any_christmas_ornaments_so_i_made/
Dec 20 18:34:29 <swisstomcat> morning
Dec 20 18:34:37 <swisstomcat> how's preware 2 progressing?
Dec 20 18:36:09 <oilsworkn> you get feeds loading last night?
Dec 20 18:37:22 <swisstomcat> yeah
Dec 20 18:37:34 <swisstomcat> but then i got stuck in service subscription
Dec 20 18:37:43 <oilsworkn> ah
Dec 20 18:38:19 <oilsworkn> which is a problem, since most everything is done via subscription (loading feeds, installing packages, etc)
Dec 20 18:42:41 <lukegb> hrm
Dec 20 18:43:11 <lukegb> I really want to rewrite the actual ipkgservice but then I'd actually have to write it in C. I'd much rather write it in Go ;)
Dec 20 18:46:22 <HaDAk> swisstomcat: you ripped out the ui >.>
Dec 20 18:50:01 <ShiftyAxel> lukegb: what is this 'Go' that you speak of? interesting name
Dec 20 18:50:23 <lukegb> ShiftyAxel: it's a programming language, which Google made
Dec 20 18:50:28 <lukegb> it's, err, interesting :P
Dec 20 18:50:56 <lukegb> I suppose if you used gccgo it's more suitable for embedded devices
Dec 20 18:51:20 <swisstomcat> i think we'll want to switch to phonegap for services
Dec 20 18:51:27 <swisstomcat> and not webos-ext
Dec 20 18:51:30 <ShiftyAxel> I like the logo
Dec 20 18:52:18 <ShiftyAxel> swisstomcat: agreed, if it's the official solution then it should be adopted
Dec 20 18:53:10 <sugardave> got verification on that today, and it is
Dec 20 18:54:03 <swisstomcat> is garfonso here?
Dec 20 18:54:46 <ShiftyAxel> Ia! Ia! Garfonso fhtagn!
Dec 20 19:01:23 <swisstomcat> looks like garfonso merged my pull requests
Dec 20 19:17:33 <byt3b0mb> hey guys - new to webos ports building can someone help with this error "failed to fetch test data from the network. please ensure your network is configured correctly.
Dec 20 19:17:56 <Garfonso> I merged some pull requests, yes.
Dec 20 19:19:13 <ShiftyAxel> byt3b0mb: hm, what steps are you following?
Dec 20 19:19:53 <byt3b0mb> i am following the build setup from the wiki verbatim
Dec 20 19:20:10 <byt3b0mb> when i type in MACHINE=tuna  bb webos-image
Dec 20 19:20:27 <byt3b0mb> i get the error
Dec 20 19:21:19 <byt3b0mb> this is the full error
Dec 20 19:21:25 <byt3b0mb> Pseudo is not present but is required, building this first before the main build ERROR:  OE-core's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration.     Either fix the cause of this error or at your own risk disable the checker (see sanity.conf).     Following is the list of potential problems / advisories:      Failed to fetch test data from the network. Please ensure your network is configured correctly.  ERROR: Ex
Dec 20 19:21:51 <ShiftyAxel> hrm
Dec 20 19:22:01 <ShiftyAxel> ERROR: Ex? is that the entire thing?
Dec 20 19:22:12 <ShiftyAxel> pastebin the entire output please
Dec 20 19:23:03 <Darakians> you guys don't sleep do you?
Dec 20 19:23:04 <swisstomcat> garfonso: have you made progress with the feed loading? the problems i saw that subscriptions to service calls didn't work
Dec 20 19:23:24 <byt3b0mb> ERROR: Execution of event handler 'check_sanity_eventhandler' failed
Dec 20 19:23:29 <byt3b0mb> that is the line that got cut off
Dec 20 19:23:30 <byt3b0mb> sorry
Dec 20 19:23:36 <ShiftyAxel> Darakians: not my normal timezone :)
Dec 20 19:24:32 <ShiftyAxel> byt3b0mb: no worries, and I don't like to state the obvious, but it doesn't look like it can access the internet
Dec 20 19:24:40 <Garfonso> swisstomcat: no, I did not make much progress today, sadly.. not much time. I think I will have more time tomorrow in the morning
Dec 20 19:24:44 <ShiftyAxel> which is odd, since you're on IRC...
Dec 20 19:25:05 <Darakians> what time zone are you in?
Dec 20 19:25:12 <byt3b0mb> ShiftyAxel: well... i am on IRC and have the wiki open
Dec 20 19:25:20 <byt3b0mb> and can access numerous other things
Dec 20 19:25:25 <swisstomcat> garfonso: oh .. at what time do we want to switch over to phonegap? because it will mean to change some of the service-call stuff
Dec 20 19:25:26 <byt3b0mb> i guess i can try later
Dec 20 19:28:03 <ShiftyAxel> morphis, JaMa: thoughts on byt3b0mb's issue? seems odd
Dec 20 19:28:29 <Garfonso> you said phonegap service call would be similar to Mojo.servicerequest?
Dec 20 19:28:45 <Garfonso> I think we should do that change asap
Dec 20 19:28:47 <swisstomcat> yeah
Dec 20 19:28:55 <swisstomcat> but different from webos-ext service calls
Dec 20 19:29:16 <swisstomcat> which seem a bit over-complicated imho
Dec 20 19:30:27 <Garfonso> hehe
Dec 20 19:31:15 <Garfonso> I'm still a bit afraid of the phonegap "build" process... did ShiftyAxel try his approach to put cordova.js into a lib folder?
Dec 20 19:34:04 <Garfonso> anyway, have to leave for some hours.
Dec 20 19:34:24 <ShiftyAxel> Garfonso: I tried it, but didn't get chance to test due to various reasons
Dec 20 19:34:31 <ShiftyAxel> many tasks
Dec 20 19:34:31 <ShiftyAxel> :p
Dec 20 19:34:39 <Garfonso> hehe, I know that. :)
Dec 20 20:10:14 <ka6sox-farfarawa> morning
Dec 20 20:11:49 <ka6sox-farfarawa> *crickets*
Dec 20 20:13:15 <Stskeeps> morn
Dec 20 20:13:54 <ka6sox-farfarawa> greetings from NorCal
Dec 20 20:14:00 <ShiftyAxel> morning ka6sox-farfarawa
Dec 20 20:15:00 <halfhalo> boo norcal
Dec 20 20:15:04 <halfhalo> oh, wait
Dec 20 20:52:54 <rwhitby> morning
Dec 20 20:53:56 <rwhitby> the end of the world seems to have skipped Australia, unless it's scheduled for this afternoon.  I hope it waits until after I see Cirque du Soleil tonight.
Dec 20 20:53:57 <lukegb> morning ;)
Dec 20 20:55:29 <scoutcamper> kik
Dec 20 20:55:37 <scoutcamper> s/kik/lol/
Dec 20 20:55:43 <scoutcamper> stupid fingers
Dec 20 21:08:36 <oilsworkn> rwhitby: It would be interesting if the end of the world circled the planet according to timezones :)
Dec 20 21:22:55 <oilsworkn> and surely the mayans would be using PST or something like that
Dec 20 21:27:15 <swisstomcat> rehi
Dec 20 21:27:25 <lukegb> iher
Dec 20 21:29:22 <ShiftyAxel> 0x72656869
Dec 20 22:31:35 <byt3b0mb> hey guys - its me again... :)  hwo long should it take to "Preparign runqueue"
Dec 20 22:32:10 <lukegb> quite a while
Dec 20 22:32:15 <lukegb> I think it downloads stuff in the background
Dec 20 22:32:31 <byt3b0mb> ok my internet connection sucks at work...ill have to try again at home
Dec 20 22:32:41 <byt3b0mb> its been there for about an hour
Dec 20 22:45:45 <ShiftyAxel> byt3b0mb: I recommend compiling with -vF
Dec 20 22:45:48 <ShiftyAxel> *vD
Dec 20 22:46:01 <ShiftyAxel> so MACHINE=tuna bb -vD webos-dev-image
Dec 20 22:46:10 <ShiftyAxel> that way you'll get useful debugging output
Dec 20 22:46:34 <ShiftyAxel> it downloads a whole OS' worth of source code, so it's goanna take a while
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