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Dec 27 06:31:51 <sugardave> fxspec06_: sorry, just logged into Twitter
Dec 27 06:32:07 <sugardave> been out of town only to come back to the house having been robbed :/
Dec 27 06:32:37 <scoutcamper> oh no! did they get anything important sugardave?
Dec 27 06:32:44 <sugardave> uh, everything
Dec 27 06:32:51 <sugardave> all of my work hardware
Dec 27 06:32:57 <sugardave> my Linux laptop
Dec 27 06:33:05 <sugardave> TV, etc....basically everything awesome
Dec 27 06:33:13 <scoutcamper> ouch! that sucks!
Dec 27 07:10:23 <ka6sox-away> what town is this so I don't go there!
Dec 27 07:14:16 <sugardave> ka6sox-away: just east of Austin, TX
Dec 27 07:26:02 <ka6sox-away> grrrrr.
Dec 27 16:53:11 <ka6sox> morning world
Dec 27 16:53:55 <stbuehler> moin
Dec 27 16:54:01 <HaDAk> heya
Dec 27 17:46:39 <morphis> morning
Dec 27 17:47:06 <fxspec06> morning
Dec 27 17:54:39 <HaDAk> mornin
Dec 27 20:36:41 <EricBlade> well that's something interesting i just noticed.  on 2.2.4, alerts over exhibition mode pop up over the top of them without resizing the exhibition app
Dec 27 20:36:57 <EricBlade> so you can actually see the app through the transparent negative space
Dec 27 20:43:00 <HaDAk> hm
Dec 27 22:59:01 <fxspec06_> EricBlade: i noticed that too earlier today.
Dec 27 23:05:11 <EricBlade> that's what i wanted to do with the virtual keyboard in lsm, so that we could work out the split keyboard thing.
Dec 27 23:05:53 <fxspec06_> it's just an opacity layer. i do it in neo, i think that's where i unconsciously got the idea from
Dec 27 23:06:23 <fxspec06_> but that code is in enyo
Dec 27 23:08:16 <fxspec06_> i think there's a scrim kind for it in mojo.. i think that's what it is
Dec 27 23:13:57 <EricBlade> the notification area is controlled by luna-sysmgr though
Dec 27 23:14:18 <EricBlade> it would appear that when it's not in exhibition, it resizes the fullscreen app, but when it is, it just overlays
Dec 27 23:14:32 <fxspec06_> oh, right luna
Dec 27 23:14:45 <EricBlade> i don't think there was anything to do that in the public luna, or else maybe we hadn't noticed it when we were looking
Dec 27 23:15:09 <fxspec06_> there is luna JS code though in the source
Dec 27 23:15:15 <fxspec06_> the doctor
Dec 27 23:15:36 <fxspec06_> image 2.2.4, i remember there are some parts of luna that are JS. if i'm not mistaken
Dec 27 23:16:21 <EricBlade> i think in the current one there is some system ui that is javascript and some that is qml
Dec 27 23:16:26 <EricBlade> i don't know about 2.2.4
Dec 27 23:16:27 <fxspec06_> i remember actually working on a patch for that, my music patch modifies the notification banner when pulled up
Dec 27 23:18:07 <fxspec06_> .orig/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/usbdashboard-assistant.js
Dec 27 23:18:36 <fxspec06_> yeah, luna-systemui
Dec 27 23:22:15 <fxspec06_> there's many alerts in there, 60 files. it could be somewhere
Dec 27 23:45:05 <EricBlade> not the alerts though
Dec 27 23:45:08 <EricBlade> the app notifications
Dec 27 23:46:10 <EricBlade> ShiftyAxel: howdy
Dec 27 23:46:53 * scoutcamper waves at ShiftyAxel 
Dec 27 23:57:14 <ShiftyAxel> EricBlade: I think webapps can actually render with a transparent bg
Dec 28 00:05:32 <EricBlade> ShiftyAxel: i wonder if it's just a matter of not resizing positive space to get that to work. not that i'll ever get time to mess with it.
Dec 28 00:06:33 <ShiftyAxel> that and painting the background accordingly, if you minimize wIRC with the keyboard open it still renders below the input box
Dec 28 00:06:45 <ShiftyAxel> so it looks like it still renders
Dec 28 00:07:36 <ShiftyAxel> there should be some kind of setting per-keyboard for this imo
Dec 28 00:07:48 <EricBlade> i have a suspicion, without actually going digging through the code, just thinking about it, that the keyboard resizes positive space, but doesn't change the window size unless it has the auto-resize flag thingee set
Dec 28 00:08:19 <ShiftyAxel> the cards themselves never change size, period
Dec 28 00:08:42 <ShiftyAxel> (though threy should, imo)
Dec 28 00:11:35 <ShiftyAxel> also, i think i've figured out part of how google got their scrolling so smooth in JB...
Dec 28 00:13:06 <ShiftyAxel> finger dragging operates at a lower-than-native resolution, looks like stuff is moving 2-3px at a time
Dec 28 01:30:34 <ShiftyAxel> oil: ping?
Dec 28 01:31:25 <ShiftyAxel> i'm wondering where we are with services under Ow, ka6sox said you may know
Dec 28 01:31:46 <ShiftyAxel> aka 'would the existimg wIRC service run, or are there blockers?'
Dec 28 01:32:08 <ka6sox> wIRC
Dec 28 01:32:40 <oil> im not sure
Dec 28 01:34:30 <ka6sox> oil: didn't we have a Enyo1 version?
Dec 28 01:35:16 <ShiftyAxel> it's less the app I'm concerned with and more the backend
Dec 28 01:35:46 <ShiftyAxel> I'm not sure where we stand re non-com.palm stuff
Dec 28 01:36:41 <oil> oh, of wirc? yeah thats around
Dec 28 01:36:47 <oil> i dont think anyone is working on the service
Dec 28 01:37:15 <ka6sox> yes, wIRC
Dec 28 01:38:04 <oil> its in github
Dec 28 01:38:08 <oil> it.. mostly works?
Dec 28 01:38:24 <ka6sox> ah...okay! thanks
Dec 28 02:52:49 <RagingMind> I used enyo wirc for a little while on my touchpad
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