**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 03 02:59:59 2013 Jan 03 03:29:41 what is the best way to clean up my build folder? my drive is full Jan 03 03:29:51 hm Jan 03 03:30:10 edit conf/local.conf and uncomment the 'inherit 'rm_work'' line Jan 03 03:30:27 and possibly run MACHINE= bb webos-dev-image -c rm_work Jan 03 03:30:42 that should cleanup leftover build bits Jan 03 03:30:49 thank you kindly! Jan 03 03:30:50 :) Jan 03 03:31:02 i was about to start deleting stuff Jan 03 03:31:04 hhaha Jan 03 03:33:34 Just curious, what are some good places to familiarize myself with the current status of the port for the gnexus? I've been to the site, etc, not a whole lot of info. Jan 03 03:34:02 n0yd, what would you like to know? Jan 03 03:36:14 ~asktoask Jan 03 03:36:15 Just looking for an overview of the project, progress, etc Jan 03 03:36:15 i heard asktoask is Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. Jan 03 03:36:31 this channel is pretty much the best place to get info Jan 03 03:36:46 progress-wise, check out the N7 video Jan 03 03:37:03 that's pretty much where we are (though i've fixed UI scaling since then) Jan 03 03:37:24 and the project is to port Ow to devices :) Jan 03 03:38:22 I was just hoping to find something I could read with more complete overview. Do you guys have a mailing list or anything? Jan 03 03:38:41 hiya n0yd Jan 03 03:38:55 :) Jan 03 03:39:17 I don't believe we do Jan 03 03:39:30 so the port is an Alpha port, requires you to do some gymnastics to get it installed. Jan 03 03:39:43 but its improving daily as things get fixed and added Jan 03 03:40:08 the same thigns that work on the GNEX work on the N7 as well. Jan 03 03:40:31 its not making phone calls yet, but Wifi works and it can browse and do settings Jan 03 03:40:41 So even though they are different hardware sets, the development is basically in the same spot? Jan 03 03:41:13 given our style of development the hardware is somewhat abstracted out. Jan 03 03:41:23 True Jan 03 03:42:02 Once you have the lower layer (linux) going, everything else _should_ fall into place for every device basically? Jan 03 03:42:47 there are areas we need help in including(but not limited to) Core App Backends (node.js, c, shell), Qt4 QPA help (fixing accel for apps), and other "backend tasks" as well. Jan 03 03:42:49 ka6sox, is there a project github, or anything where I can look at the project? Jan 03 03:43:33 https://github.com/webOS-ports Jan 03 03:43:51 thanks. Will give it a look Jan 03 03:44:46 n0yd, we have been focusing on things that we can get redistributable drivers for Jan 03 03:45:08 right Jan 03 03:45:18 most of the devices we can create a userland for...but writing GLES drivers from scratch ain't gonna happen. Jan 03 03:45:34 I see it's using stuff from aosp, could you elaborate on that a bit if possible? Jan 03 03:45:56 Ya I was curious about the GLES and accel stuff Jan 03 03:46:23 the Secret Sauce that ties it all together is LibHybris Jan 03 03:46:39 hehe ok Jan 03 03:47:47 looks like there is some android EGL stuff involved? Jan 03 03:47:57 yes Jan 03 03:54:17 bbiaf...heading home Jan 03 03:54:59 damn, was just gonna ask something else Jan 03 03:55:17 How about the RIL in telephony devices? That all works? Jan 03 03:57:30 bbiaf..I gotta run home...(15minutes) Jan 03 03:57:41 yup Jan 03 04:00:04 n0yd: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Galaxy_Nexus_Hardware_Overview#Modem Jan 03 04:00:19 I think telephony 'works' as in you can use ofono to send a sms from the command line Jan 03 04:00:28 but there's no interface into webOS yet Jan 03 04:00:40 morphis is the one to ask about this, but he's asleep at the moment I believe Jan 03 04:00:47 And I assume this all based off the maguro? Jan 03 04:00:52 yes indeed Jan 03 04:01:23 Any work been done for toro variant? CDMA, LTE, etc Jan 03 04:02:20 no, and no plans to Jan 03 04:02:40 it wouldnt be hard Jan 03 04:02:47 CDMA is the most locked-down thing ever, and there's no foss implementation Jan 03 04:02:53 lol Jan 03 04:02:58 afaik, am I incorrect in thinking that? Jan 03 04:03:06 eh, kinda Jan 03 04:03:12 do enlighten me :) Jan 03 04:03:31 CDMA is open pretty much. LTE, not so much Jan 03 04:03:50 But both shouldnt be hard to support, considering its using androids system anyway Jan 03 04:04:03 not quite that easy i'm afraid Jan 03 04:04:29 libhybris can translate the android stuff into glibc, but we still need something that can use the output Jan 03 04:04:30 I have experience with it on the android side. For this particular device, it would be easy Jan 03 04:04:56 did someone say Android? :) Jan 03 04:05:05 hey PatrickC|Spanish Jan 03 04:05:10 hey n0yd Jan 03 04:05:14 your name seems familiar..? Jan 03 04:05:28 you are in the aokp chan i believe Jan 03 04:05:28 you have to avoid him or he'll steal your pizza? Jan 03 04:05:39 haha Jan 03 04:05:41 that's it Jan 03 04:05:45 no ShiftyAxel, that's halfhalo Jan 03 04:06:02 n0yd: can you give me a very basic overview of how you'd implement CDMA under Ow? Jan 03 04:06:09 as in very very basic, couple of sentences Jan 03 04:07:47 taking into account that it's a glibc-based linux as opposed to bionic Jan 03 04:07:52 ShiftyAxel, no idea, as I know absolutely shit all about webos. But judging from the way the RIL in the galaxy nexus LTE is different from other LTE devices (where its much more locked down) I wouldnt think it would be all that hard Jan 03 04:08:35 haha, which is why you shouldn't make sweeping claims like 'For this particular device, it would be easy' ;) Jan 03 04:08:53 android has a lot of home comforts that we don't have in Ow, like carrier support Jan 03 04:09:00 of course Jan 03 04:09:32 Im just giving an example. Google released the blobs for this particular device for LTE Jan 03 04:10:20 Anyways, bbiab. Watching a movie Jan 03 04:10:56 alrighty, laters Jan 03 04:13:58 wow. just talked with nuttybunny. blast from the past Jan 03 04:17:34 that name rings a small, dusty bell at the back of my head Jan 03 04:17:45 * _minego yawns Jan 03 04:18:08 wb _minego Jan 03 04:18:12 <_minego> Thanks Jan 03 04:18:28 <_minego> I just beat my 5 year old son in monopoly. :) Hehe Jan 03 04:19:12 I always sucked at monopoly Jan 03 04:19:45 huge, complicated lovecraftian board games that take all night to finish are more my style :D Jan 03 04:20:24 hey _minego Jan 03 04:21:22 ShiftyAxel: it should ring a small, dusty bell :P he was one of the biggest helps back when i first started with webOS Jan 03 04:21:35 <_minego> PatrickC|Spanish: howdy Jan 03 04:22:06 <_minego> After playing monopoly for the first time my 5 year old just asked me for $280... I said "We're done with the game" and he said "no real money" Haha Jan 03 04:22:17 lol Jan 03 04:22:44 PatrickC|Spanish: what's with the spanish anyway? you move to spain? Jan 03 04:22:51 na, studying spanish :P Jan 03 04:22:59 but done now.. guess i should change back :) Jan 03 04:23:14 <_minego> *sigh* I have to go back to work tomorrow :( Jan 03 04:23:28 <_minego> Which means no time for webOS until the weekend :/ Jan 03 04:24:06 fun work? Jan 03 04:24:22 <_minego> Usually, but it's been pretty stressful lately Jan 03 04:24:49 <_minego> I am "Software Architect" for an email security gateway product. Jan 03 04:26:55 <_minego> I spent most of my year end break making improvements to a mojo app... Hehe Jan 03 04:27:38 _minego: meant to ask, hows that going? :) Jan 03 04:28:26 <_minego> PatrickC: The project macaw stuff? Really good. I got a ton of big features in. Custom tabs, compose in a new card, a bunch of fixes etc. Jan 03 04:28:47 nice! Jan 03 04:29:05 i keep meaning to update the precentral feed... things keep getting in the way. if it's ready, i can update it tonight Jan 03 04:29:20 <_minego> No, I'd wait Jan 03 04:29:25 ok Jan 03 04:29:32 <_minego> The new features are a bit rough still. Jan 03 04:29:33 i've been busy with school.. and android stuff Jan 03 04:29:41 i wish i used it more :/ Jan 03 04:29:56 <_minego> I'm hoping to clean up a handful of bugs and stuff and then release it to the app catalog Jan 03 04:30:02 my touchpad went to webOS for the first time in months today.. Jan 03 04:30:07 NICE Jan 03 04:30:09 <_minego> Then I'm going to move on to other projects Jan 03 04:30:11 paid/free? Jan 03 04:30:15 <_minego> Free Jan 03 04:30:25 <_minego> It would be too complicated to work out who gets paid Jan 03 04:30:26 Nice Jan 03 04:30:36 yeah Jan 03 04:30:36 <_minego> I don't want to deal with splitting the payments and taxes and what not Jan 03 04:30:48 are there donation links in it? Jan 03 04:30:56 <_minego> No Jan 03 04:31:14 <_minego> I've thought about adding them, but it doesn't really feel right. Jan 03 04:31:28 well, if you added Dave as well.. wouldn't it be fine? Jan 03 04:31:38 <_minego> The webOS community has gone through too much. I don't feel right saying "please pay me" to those who are still faithful to webOS. Jan 03 04:31:47 Yeah, true. Jan 03 04:31:51 <_minego> brb Jan 03 04:31:54 same Jan 03 04:39:33 <_minego> if a user asks I'll tell them my paypal address, but that doesn't happen often. There are better causes for webOS anyway. Jan 03 04:39:47 yawn Jan 03 04:40:09 <_minego> man my pre3 feels HUGE after using my veer. Jan 03 04:42:56 heh, same here after using the GNex Jan 03 04:45:26 ok i need help, nonwebos... er, i forgot ubuntu both user and root passwords :X Jan 03 04:45:33 <_minego> the gnexus is almost as wide as the veer is tall Jan 03 04:47:45 <_minego> fxspec06: serious? You're boned. Jan 03 04:48:00 yeah, i'm trying EVERYTHING i can think of right now Jan 03 04:48:07 fxspec06, there is no root pw unless you set one, and yu need to boot it into linux single Jan 03 04:48:11 or (recovery) Jan 03 04:48:30 i set it though. ugh. apparently i thought i was clever. =| Jan 03 04:51:17 <_minego> that shouldn't matter. Once you are in single user you can reset both. Jan 03 04:55:10 fxspec06: boot from a liveCD image, then mount your root partition and edit /etc/shadow Jan 03 04:58:47 k, i got this. i'm at a bash now with sudo priv phew. thx guys Jan 03 04:59:02 <_minego> cool Jan 03 05:00:52 GLHF Jan 03 05:09:19 uhm omg no. panic mode. laptop is D E A D. Jan 03 05:09:28 that isn't good Jan 03 05:09:46 is there any way to brick a laptop ... uhm. battery pull >> ac pull >> ac in >> power button >> no response..... Jan 03 05:13:12 morning sugardave Jan 03 05:14:35 omg, nvm, the cable was separated in the middle. sorry for flooding >.< Jan 03 05:17:41 morning Jan 03 05:17:49 hiya Morphis Jan 03 05:17:55 n0yd: we're not going to use the android ril blobs Jan 03 05:21:32 fxspec06, its pretty easy to get past forgetting root and user, if you have access to the machine. Jan 03 05:21:36 morphis, thats too bad Jan 03 05:22:28 oh, I see shadow was mentioned. nvm Jan 03 05:23:39 n0yd: depends Jan 03 06:13:59 ~sleep ShiftyAxel Jan 03 06:13:59 * WoceBot uses the banhammer to put ShiftyAxel to sleep for the next 12 hours Jan 03 06:25:45 * ShiftyAxel staggers off to bed clutching his skull Jan 03 06:26:28 but first... morphis: looks like the MT stuff for GNex has taken in this build, QML dragging and all the other laggy animations are fine on GNex now Jan 03 06:26:36 therefore yay, and nn all Jan 03 07:16:32 fxspec06,n0yd,...: append kernel parameter "init=/bin/sh" in your boot manager... who needs passwords anyway :) (and this is why you should protect your boot manager with a password) Jan 03 08:52:05 been looking at the wiki, i don't see a listing for the root password when i initially try and login to the tablet with ssh Jan 03 08:52:16 sorry if this is a stupid question Jan 03 09:01:52 I've read and understand the rules. Have I missed something in the build instructions, being prompted for a password for root on initial boot up on my Nexus 7 Jan 03 09:02:28 jbettcher: maybe u need build webos-dev-image Jan 03 09:02:52 panda-z: thought I did, it's late and i think you may be right Jan 03 09:03:14 panda-z you are correct, sorry for the trouble :P Jan 03 09:03:54 hmm webos-image should work too, I'll check Jan 03 09:14:53 is it mainly just additional developer libraries that have to compiled as well with a developer image? Jan 03 09:18:46 well regardless in about 10 min i'll have a dev image to try again with Jan 03 09:22:39 jbettcher: yes and some extra settings Jan 03 09:22:54 like using openssh instead of dropbear Jan 03 09:23:31 oh ok Jan 03 09:24:21 just trying to get my feet wet in the webos world, ive done a lot of work with my old toshiba thrive, porting cm10 to it and kernel hacking. thought i'd could learn the build details of openwebos and see if i couldn't help out or just start tinkering Jan 03 13:16:24 hi Jan 03 13:16:28 happy new year! Jan 03 13:17:10 you too! hope you had a good one Jan 03 13:18:59 yep Jan 03 13:19:14 so now we have another mobile OS with Ubuntu Mobile ... wow Jan 03 13:20:30 yeah.. though it looks like OWO is actually performing better Jan 03 13:24:27 what does Ubuntu Mobile use for HTML5 Apps e.g accessing low-level stuff? Jan 03 13:25:06 not sure, some suspct cordova Jan 03 13:25:12 which is a good approach Jan 03 13:26:12 haven't seen anything on the cordova mailinglist yet Jan 03 13:26:28 yeah, it would be the same approach as we have with OWOS Jan 03 14:36:27 quiet here Jan 03 14:37:44 indeed Jan 03 14:40:19 most people won't start again before next monday? Jan 03 14:42:17 it's amazing that people are allowed to take vacations in this mobile market ;) Jan 03 14:43:19 Who said anything about Vacations??? Jan 03 14:43:46 I don't get one! Jan 03 14:43:53 i guess it's like that mythical 'weekend' thing i keep hearing about Jan 03 14:47:15 yes, that one Jan 03 14:50:10 hey ka6sox Jan 03 14:52:03 happy new year swisstomcat Jan 03 14:53:43 thank you Jan 03 14:53:48 and same to you Jan 03 15:01:07 New Years Resolution...get Back Gesture into Cordova :D Jan 03 15:02:12 morning everybody Jan 03 15:04:43 morning morphis Jan 03 15:07:24 hehe Jan 03 15:07:34 cordova 2.3.0 is still on track to be released soon Jan 03 15:09:54 hopefully they don't break things like we see with Ruby or Node Jan 03 16:20:09 <_minego> How does ubuntu expose low-level stuff to html5 apps on the desktop right now? Or do they? Jan 03 16:21:58 they do Jan 03 16:22:04 but i don't know how (yet) Jan 03 16:22:10 should be interesting to find out Jan 03 16:22:32 <_minego> It would probably be safe to assume that they will use the same method for phones, wouldn't ya think? Jan 03 16:25:30 _minego: for their webapp stuff they have browser extensions Jan 03 16:25:44 but that doesn't offer any low level bits Jan 03 16:25:52 <_minego> Oh, interesting Jan 03 16:25:59 not much on their dev site: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ Jan 03 16:26:06 <_minego> So an ubuntu webapp is actually a special chrome or firefox tab? Jan 03 16:27:43 _minego: yes Jan 03 16:27:45 nothing more Jan 03 16:28:28 <_minego> That really isn't too bad of an approach on the desktop, but on the phone... Jan 03 18:50:22 ugh.. after feeling way way better yesterday, now i feel awful again. :-S Jan 03 18:55:43 that's no good :( Jan 03 18:55:54 what d'you reckon it is? winter bug? Jan 03 19:21:12 * HaDAk suggests EricBlade drinks whiskey. Jan 03 19:21:13 fixes anything Jan 03 19:32:04 i don't know what it is, but i'd rather have had the "functional but kind of tired" of yesterday than the "i have to blow my nose every 20 seconds" of today :-S Jan 03 19:37:47 get better soon EricBlade Jan 03 22:23:08 ShiftyAxel: btw. we should really make the keyboard on the gnexus smaller Jan 03 22:23:14 so it's not taking the half screen Jan 03 22:23:36 agreed, currently it's not taking the gesture area into account Jan 03 22:24:00 so it's actually taking up 50% + 64px Jan 03 22:24:05 or so Jan 03 22:25:32 thats too much Jan 03 22:25:42 the android one is really nice: https://localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/android-keyboard.png Jan 03 22:26:00 i hate the AOSP keyboard Jan 03 22:26:20 i like the asop keyboard's size Jan 03 22:26:30 ShiftyAxel, can we try 30% for keyboard? Jan 03 22:28:17 scoutcamper: yeah the size is what I like too Jan 03 22:28:23 so boys I am off for today Jan 03 22:28:23 n8 Jan 03 22:30:44 night morphis Jan 03 22:30:56 night morphis Jan 03 22:31:08 scoutcamper: 30% of the entire screen, or taking gesture area into account also? Jan 03 22:31:18 30% sounds like it would be kind of hard to hit Jan 03 22:31:26 resizable? Jan 03 22:31:29 just like the touchpad Jan 03 22:31:42 pull request? Jan 03 22:31:55 ShiftyAxel, 30% of entire screen Jan 03 22:32:13 once i am home i may fiddle with it and find a number i like Jan 03 22:32:25 sounds like a plan Jan 03 22:32:45 i'm having a stab at fixing the browser rendering currently Jan 03 22:33:17 sweet!! Jan 03 22:45:54 hrm. the preware repository page has no link to upload Jan 03 22:46:10 upload what? Jan 03 22:46:18 Neo demo Jan 03 22:46:21 gtg eat, bbs Jan 03 22:46:29 inabit fxspec06 Jan 03 22:48:41 fxspec06, are you wanting neo demo in WOSI feeds? or WON feeds? Jan 03 22:53:54 one does not simply walk into the WOSI feeds Jan 03 23:25:13 whichever one would get more downloads Jan 03 23:25:54 WOSI is my intention. Jan 03 23:26:10 if permissable Jan 03 23:27:45 WOSI tends to host WOSI apps afaik Jan 03 23:27:52 and kernels, etc Jan 03 23:28:05 I put wifi file sharing into the WON feeds Jan 03 23:28:15 ah then WON Jan 03 23:28:46 I think there are instructions on the site somewhere... if not, ping derek and he'll grant you access Jan 03 23:41:24 grr. i hate asking because i like to find on my own. but google is not my friend Jan 03 23:44:21 fxspec06, http://www.webosnation.com/contact category "Submit homebrew app" Jan 03 23:44:31 bravo. Jan 04 01:14:59 that's the sexiest scaling keyboard Jan 04 01:22:59 tyvm cameron_ :D Jan 04 01:32:15 :D Jan 04 01:32:32 I'm still trying to compile the **** thing Jan 04 01:33:10 my cpu fan is apparently crap. I have a safety shut off at 65C Jan 04 01:33:16 never finished a compile yet Jan 04 01:33:28 so I rebooted linux with only a single core active Jan 04 01:33:56 that's going to take a while Jan 04 01:34:14 have you modified conf/local.conf to use more threads/cores? Jan 04 02:17:27 I can't use more cores. My cpu gets too hot. I need a new fan Jan 04 02:17:58 by take a while, do you mean closer to 6 hours or 6 days? Jan 04 02:18:57 hours Jan 04 02:19:27 I was going to suggest lowering the amount of cores in local.conf instead of forcing linux to single-core :P Jan 04 02:19:44 alternatively, take the sides off your case and hang the computer out of a nearby window :D Jan 04 02:20:15 side's already off with a fan blowing on it(at an angle, of course) Jan 04 02:20:48 window is damn tempting. In the college dorm I piped the air conditioner vent directly into my computer case Jan 04 02:21:30 ...you really do need a new fan Jan 04 02:21:55 also on an unrelated note: GRAAAH, WHY g_message, WHYYYY? Jan 04 02:25:31 wish I knew of that simple solution Jan 04 02:25:45 been tolerating the computer running slow for the sake of my build. Jan 04 02:27:28 I'd Ctrl+C out and rectify things unless you fancy a slowass computer for the next 6 hours :P Jan 04 02:28:17 the appropriate variables are PARALLEL_MAKE and BB_NUMBER_THREADS Jan 04 02:34:34 I've already commited to having to wait till morning Jan 04 02:34:57 heh, you won't lose too much progress Jan 04 02:35:06 unless it's already started compiling webkit, in which case you're hosed Jan 04 02:35:34 but it'll keep the stuff that it's already compiled and go from there when restarted Jan 04 02:46:43 it's already started compiling webkit Jan 04 02:47:29 been compiling that for the last 45 minutes actually Jan 04 02:52:10 https://twitter.com/fxspec06/status/287028363435057152 4hrs .. O.O Jan 04 02:56:31 fancy Jan 04 02:56:48 cameron_: webkit and qt4 are the main time-munchers Jan 04 02:57:08 fxspec06, what PC case is that? Jan 04 02:57:31 coolermaster HEF 24 i think Jan 04 02:57:42 nice Jan 04 02:57:55 * scoutcamper moves to -offtopic **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 04 02:59:58 2013