**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 04 02:59:58 2013
Jan 04 09:58:16 <fxspec06> wave launcher is not working properly here in 4.9.`0..
Jan 04 09:58:21 <fxspec06> 4.9.10*
Jan 04 10:11:40 <Garfonso> hm.. is there any idea how we get something corresponding to Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.platformVersion in open webos?
Jan 04 10:12:17 <ShiftyAxel> what sort of output does it provide?
Jan 04 10:12:27 <Garfonso> the webos version
Jan 04 10:12:37 <ShiftyAxel> I think phonegap has some kind of device info API, might be worth looking into
Jan 04 10:12:50 <Garfonso> ok, I'll look into that.
Jan 04 10:12:55 <ShiftyAxel> though i'm not sure if that particular bit is ready for Ow, so YMMV
Jan 04 10:15:10 <Garfonso> api documentation says "device.version"... will play around with that.
Jan 04 10:15:19 <swisstomcat> morning
Jan 04 10:15:42 <swisstomcat> testing the back gesture on the Pre3 ... i'm confused .. all it does is minimize the app?
Jan 04 10:16:17 <Garfonso> it should do the back action also
Jan 04 10:17:13 <Garfonso> oh, no, you're right.. it won't.
Jan 04 10:17:14 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jan 04 10:17:24 <swisstomcat> did i forget how the back gesture works?
Jan 04 10:17:47 <Garfonso> if you are talking about https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-ports-lib/blob/master/source/BackGesture.js then this won't work on a Pre3.
Jan 04 10:18:07 <swisstomcat> yeah, i'm adding that to phonegap (well, trying)
Jan 04 10:18:43 <swisstomcat> oh, now i see .. if i'm in the app at top-level, back-gesture will minimize .. if i'm one level farther down, then back-gesture will go back
Jan 04 10:18:44 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jan 04 10:18:46 <ShiftyAxel> it needs modified to use keyCode iirc
Jan 04 10:18:57 <ShiftyAxel> or did i do that... can't remember
Jan 04 10:19:07 <ShiftyAxel> back gesture needs special handling under 2.x
Jan 04 10:19:20 <ShiftyAxel> if it's allowed to bubble up to top-level it'll minimize
Jan 04 10:19:23 <swisstomcat> which phone should i test on then?
Jan 04 10:19:29 <swisstomcat> oh
Jan 04 10:19:33 <swisstomcat> so it's app dependent
Jan 04 10:19:37 <ShiftyAxel> yeah
Jan 04 10:19:47 <swisstomcat> i'm just sending a cordova event (backbutton)
Jan 04 10:19:51 <swisstomcat> the rest is up to the app
Jan 04 10:19:57 <Garfonso> a return true in the event handler is not enough, though..
Jan 04 10:19:59 <swisstomcat> (at least that's the idea)
Jan 04 10:20:18 <Garfonso> backgesture is quite nasty at 2.x, if you ask me...
Jan 04 10:20:31 <ShiftyAxel> agreed, hence why it doesn't minimize under Ow :)
Jan 04 10:20:35 <swisstomcat> seems like the system catches the event before
Jan 04 10:20:39 <swisstomcat> i can catch it
Jan 04 10:20:54 <swisstomcat> how do i test the back gesture on a TP? do i need a Gnex?
Jan 04 10:21:08 <swisstomcat> guess i could test on a nexus 7 as well
Jan 04 10:21:19 <swisstomcat> but it would be good to have it working from 2.x to 3.x to owos
Jan 04 10:21:19 <Garfonso> if you manage to emulate an esc key? ;)
Jan 04 10:21:24 <swisstomcat> being phonegap ...
Jan 04 10:21:47 <ShiftyAxel> 2.x and 3.x have identical handling, Ow is the first major change
Jan 04 10:21:54 <ShiftyAxel> so if it works on Pre3, you're good
Jan 04 10:22:31 <swisstomcat> looks like i'm not catching the event ... let me check
Jan 04 10:22:45 <Garfonso> try to aks fxspec06 if he has managed to handle back events in 2.x with enyo2... he told me some stuff, but nothing worked for me. Maybe he can give you some more insights.
Jan 04 10:25:24 <swisstomcat> odd
Jan 04 10:25:31 <swisstomcat> i'm receiving keyup:Back on the pre3
Jan 04 10:25:53 <swisstomcat> as the keyIdentifier
Jan 04 10:26:23 <ShiftyAxel> iirc in the handler you need to call inEvent.preventDefault() and return.. true?
Jan 04 10:26:38 <ShiftyAxel> to stop bubbling
Jan 04 10:26:46 <swisstomcat> i'm not doing any high-level stuff
Jan 04 10:27:02 <swisstomcat> i'm just catching keyups in a global event handler of cordova
Jan 04 10:27:06 <swisstomcat> and then sending an event
Jan 04 10:27:10 <Garfonso> yes, return true to stop bubbling.
Jan 04 10:27:16 <swisstomcat> oh
Jan 04 10:27:18 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jan 04 10:27:31 <Garfonso> but that's still not enough.. ;)
Jan 04 10:28:15 <swisstomcat> let's test
Jan 04 10:28:25 <swisstomcat> how stable is the nexus 7 port?
Jan 04 10:29:19 <ShiftyAxel> it hasn't exploded yet :P
Jan 04 10:29:27 <swisstomcat> ah, getting there ...
Jan 04 10:29:41 <fxspec06> what's up?
Jan 04 10:29:46 <swisstomcat> wohoo!
Jan 04 10:29:49 <fxspec06> oh, back events enyo 2.... er,
Jan 04 10:29:59 <swisstomcat> preventDefault and return true seemed to do the trick
Jan 04 10:30:12 <swisstomcat> at least on the pre3
Jan 04 10:30:26 <fxspec06> wow, genius
Jan 04 10:30:52 <Garfonso> oh.. cool. :)
Jan 04 10:30:56 <fxspec06> i was gonna say, my application events kind in system-ext https://github.com/fxspec06/webOS-System-Extension should catch it
Jan 04 10:31:01 <fxspec06> 'onback'
Jan 04 10:31:20 <swisstomcat> preventDefault is the key to it
Jan 04 10:31:37 <swisstomcat> i'm not using enyo2, i'm working on cordova
Jan 04 10:31:45 <fxspec06> hrm. oh right
Jan 04 10:32:00 <fxspec06> preventdefault will stop it from maximizing
Jan 04 10:32:09 <fxspec06> s/maximizing/minimizing/
Jan 04 10:32:10 <WoceBot> fxspec06 meant: preventdefault will stop it from minimizing
Jan 04 10:32:21 <swisstomcat> yeah, i just found that out
Jan 04 10:32:26 <swisstomcat> cool, it seems to work
Jan 04 10:32:39 <swisstomcat> can someone test for me on a gnex or nexus 7?
Jan 04 10:32:46 <fxspec06> i always wondered what happened to the forwaqrd gesture, too..... it seems to have disappeared with transition to enyo2. could never figure it to work
Jan 04 10:32:49 <swisstomcat> TP should work too?
Jan 04 10:33:01 <fxspec06> ya
Jan 04 10:33:06 <swisstomcat> fxspec06: let me see what happens
Jan 04 10:33:06 <fxspec06> should work the same.
Jan 04 10:33:44 <swisstomcat> forward gesture doesn't seem to be caught by the keyup listener
Jan 04 10:33:53 <fxspec06> figures
Jan 04 10:34:09 <fxspec06> i don't think it's mapped to anything. i wonder how it was ever caught to begin with
Jan 04 10:34:09 <swisstomcat> are there apps still using that gesture?
Jan 04 10:34:23 <swisstomcat> guess i could try to find out
Jan 04 10:34:39 <Garfonso> is it available in the emulator?
Jan 04 10:34:50 <fxspec06> i useD it in mojo days, in wild'n, to quick bet instead of just pausing..... but  like i said, i could never get to work for touchpad
Jan 04 10:35:03 <fxspec06> there HAS to be a way, somehow though
Jan 04 10:35:57 <ShiftyAxel> iirc project macaw/phnx handle the forward gesture to refresh tweets
Jan 04 10:36:11 <ShiftyAxel> swisstomcat: I have the N7 primed and ready if you need a test
Jan 04 10:36:31 <fxspec06> i got a pad ready if u need, lol
Jan 04 10:36:37 <swisstomcat> shiftyaxel: i can send you an ipk
Jan 04 10:36:44 <ShiftyAxel> sure, wfm
Jan 04 10:36:56 <ShiftyAxel> I'll DM you my email
Jan 04 10:38:30 <swisstomcat> k
Jan 04 10:38:39 <swisstomcat> cool, backbutton seems to work :)
Jan 04 10:38:59 <ShiftyAxel> hahey :D
Jan 04 10:40:10 <swisstomcat> i wonder if i should push it to still get into 2.3.0 or wait a bit and test some more
Jan 04 10:40:34 <swisstomcat> let's see if it work on the n7
Jan 04 10:41:46 <Garfonso> push push push.. ^^ ;)
Jan 04 10:42:42 <swisstomcat> as long as it doesn't break anything
Jan 04 10:42:53 <swisstomcat> i should still get the appmenu support into 2.3.0
Jan 04 10:43:05 <Garfonso> I should really have looked at packages.js before bothering with package.js in preware... now I start to understand what all the stuff in package.js really does. ;)
Jan 04 10:46:00 <ShiftyAxel> swisstomcat: it doesn't appear to be loading
Jan 04 10:46:10 <ShiftyAxel> it's stuck on the glowy card animation
Jan 04 10:46:29 <ShiftyAxel> I'll poke about in the app folder and see if the install missed anything
Jan 04 10:46:39 <ShiftyAxel> oh, there we go
Jan 04 10:46:43 <ShiftyAxel> it just took a really long time
Jan 04 10:47:16 <ShiftyAxel> swisstomcat: backbutton shows up in the events tab
Jan 04 10:47:57 <ShiftyAxel> so I think it's good :D
Jan 04 10:52:23 <ShiftyAxel> though I've noticed something about back gesture handling in Ow, it seems focus-based... which is odd
Jan 04 10:52:43 <ShiftyAxel> sometimes it won't fire until I tap a non-textfield in whichever app
Jan 04 10:53:53 <Garfonso> do the textfields stop bubbling all keypresses?
Jan 04 10:54:48 <Garfonso> hmpf.. perware really uses all the ways in webos to store information... cookies, db8, Mojo.Depot. I'm still learning a lot about mojo here... ;)
Jan 04 10:55:01 <ShiftyAxel> aww, no localStorage? :p
Jan 04 10:55:29 <Garfonso> I'm sure I will find some localStorage use soon... :p
Jan 04 10:58:09 <swisstomcat> so what are keyIdentifiers U+1200001 and U+001B used for then?
Jan 04 10:58:21 <swisstomcat> 3.x and OWOS?
Jan 04 10:58:58 <swisstomcat> shiftyaxel: which is the keyIdentifier you see in the application log (palm-log)?
Jan 04 10:59:06 <Garfonso> I'm not sure 3.x works with them.. it something newer webkit versions use instead of keyCode, AFAIK
Jan 04 10:59:15 <ShiftyAxel> I'll tail syslog and have a look
Jan 04 10:59:25 <ShiftyAxel> I think switching to keyCode for both would be best for compatibility
Jan 04 10:59:34 <ShiftyAxel> U+1200001 is OWOS
Jan 04 11:00:08 <swisstomcat> what's the diff between keyCode and keyIdentifier?
Jan 04 11:00:14 <ShiftyAxel> U+001B is the non-working one that was meant for 2.x
Jan 04 11:00:25 <ShiftyAxel> keyCode gives an int
Jan 04 11:00:55 <ShiftyAxel> though if keyIdentifier is working under 2.x i think we're good
Jan 04 11:04:24 <ShiftyAxel> swisstomcat: http://pastebin.com/JTK7J5vF
Jan 04 11:04:38 <ShiftyAxel> receives U+1200001 and sense ba
Jan 04 11:04:42 <ShiftyAxel> *sends backbutton
Jan 04 11:04:47 <swisstomcat> thanks, that looks correct
Jan 04 11:07:21 <swisstomcat> so switching to keyCode would be better?
Jan 04 11:07:33 <swisstomcat> or it doesn't really matter?
Jan 04 11:08:19 <ShiftyAxel> if it works under 2.x it's all good
Jan 04 11:08:25 <swisstomcat> k
Jan 04 11:12:08 <swisstomcat> need to investigate if i setup the event listeners the correct (cordova) way
Jan 04 11:12:12 <swisstomcat> other than that i think we're good
Jan 04 11:12:46 <ShiftyAxel> excellent :)
Jan 04 11:45:58 <rekado> Hi, I'd like to join efforts with whoever is working on a port of WOCE/OpenWebOS for the Pre+/Pre3.
Jan 04 11:46:07 <rekado> Is anyone working on this already?
Jan 04 11:47:05 <fxspec06> isn't it whomever?
Jan 04 11:47:19 <fxspec06> ugh. sorry. it's early. or late. that was snarky
Jan 04 11:47:33 <rekado> me no native speaker.
Jan 04 11:47:51 <fxspec06> lol ok, not many ppl use that word anyways =).
Jan 04 11:47:56 <ShiftyAxel> rekado: to my knowledge, nobody's started on a port for those targets
Jan 04 11:48:05 <ShiftyAxel> webOS Ports have no intention, as there
Jan 04 11:48:11 <rekado> I see
Jan 04 11:48:31 <ShiftyAxel> *as there are no open-source driver packages available for the hardware
Jan 04 11:48:55 <rekado> what drivers are missing?
Jan 04 11:48:59 <ShiftyAxel> all of them
Jan 04 11:49:07 <rekado> are these userspace drivers or kernel modules?
Jan 04 11:49:32 <ShiftyAxel> both, afaik
Jan 04 11:49:37 <rekado> hm
Jan 04 11:49:58 <ShiftyAxel> Palm/HP never provided them, which makes porting quite difficult
Jan 04 11:50:14 <ShiftyAxel> and the Pre3 is qualcomm, which makes things even more difficult
Jan 04 11:50:28 <rekado> could we use the standard webos kernel with openwebos userspace?
Jan 04 11:51:26 <rekado> i.e. take openwebos, replace the kernel to get the base system to boot and work from there
Jan 04 11:52:00 <ShiftyAxel> you could try it, I think there's a distribution of SHR available for the Pre+ which might be a good jumping-off point
Jan 04 11:52:21 <ShiftyAxel> http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/PalmPre
Jan 04 11:52:37 <rekado> thanks; I'll check that out
Jan 04 11:53:08 <ShiftyAxel> there may also be some work involved getting Ow running on linux kernel 2.x, 3.x is the 'system requirement' so to speak
Jan 04 11:53:21 <ShiftyAxel> but I don't think anyone's really tried it thus far
Jan 04 11:56:11 <rekado> Do you know if there's some documentation on the components of OpenWebOS?
Jan 04 11:57:06 <ShiftyAxel> the in-repo README files at http://github.com/openwebos are generally the best place to look, some repos also have Doxygen documentation
Jan 04 11:57:43 <ShiftyAxel> and there's a highly simplified overview of all the components and how they go together on openwebosproject.org
Jan 04 11:58:11 <rekado> oh, great. Thanks. I'll be reading then.
Jan 04 12:00:03 <ShiftyAxel> no worries, best of luck :)
Jan 04 12:03:09 <cameron_> dag nab it, my ssd ran out of space and failed the build. My webos folder was taking up 60 gig
Jan 04 12:08:17 <ShiftyAxel> cameron_: you'll need at least 60-80-100Gb free for OE
Jan 04 12:08:24 <ShiftyAxel> depending on how fine you want to cut it
Jan 04 12:08:46 <ShiftyAxel> also uncommenting the 'inherit rm_work' line in local.conf will help mitigate things, but the base requirement is still high
Jan 04 12:10:38 <cameron_> so I noticed...
Jan 04 12:12:44 <cameron_> question, if I move my webos folder to an ntfs external drive, will there be any issues building it from an ntfs partition?
Jan 04 12:12:53 <cameron_> I'm discovering more and more I don't really have the computer for this
Jan 04 12:16:17 <ShiftyAxel> OE requires ext3/ext4
Jan 04 12:16:26 <ShiftyAxel> ntfs would probably make it explode violently
Jan 04 12:16:46 <cameron_> f!
Jan 04 12:16:48 <cameron_> okay
Jan 04 12:16:49 <cameron_> hrm
Jan 04 12:17:09 <ShiftyAxel> I had to make OE it's very own 80Gb partition on my 320Gb HDD that's shared between three OSes... yeah...
Jan 04 12:17:17 * ShiftyAxel needs a better computer
Jan 04 12:18:28 <cameron_> at least yours builds :)
Jan 04 12:18:48 <cameron_> maybe there just needs to be a daily builds server to pull builds from
Jan 04 12:22:07 <ShiftyAxel> afaik it's build-it-yourself until we get to an installable release
Jan 04 12:22:42 <ShiftyAxel> to prevent the inexperienced from rushing ahead and accidentally messing up their phone by doing something wrong
Jan 04 12:26:58 <swisstomcat> bbl
Jan 04 12:55:30 <fxspec06> okay
Jan 04 12:55:37 <fxspec06> so. to build LunaSysMgr.
Jan 04 12:55:48 <fxspec06> i need to: remove the comments in custom.mk
Jan 04 12:58:54 <ShiftyAxel> fxspec06: LunaCE or Ow?
Jan 04 12:59:02 <ShiftyAxel> I'm guessing LunaCE since custom.mk
Jan 04 12:59:27 <fxspec06> yeah.. i'm getting line 23, missing separator
Jan 04 12:59:38 <fxspec06> <<<<<< HEAD is that line
Jan 04 13:00:04 <ShiftyAxel> ...wait <<< HEAD? that's evidence of a merge error
Jan 04 13:00:08 <ShiftyAxel> that's not good
Jan 04 13:00:10 <fxspec06> ah
Jan 04 13:00:29 <ShiftyAxel> is this straight from repo?
Jan 04 13:01:17 <fxspec06> i screwed it up, h.o
Jan 04 13:03:10 <fxspec06> woah, making something me thinks!
Jan 04 13:03:22 <ShiftyAxel> huzzah!
Jan 04 13:03:24 <fxspec06> er, well, dlng doctors. i think i got this far once..
Jan 04 13:10:27 <fxspec06> it's doing more things! i think i am on right track..
Jan 04 13:14:25 <fxspec06> k, this is where i ended before: *** [build] Error 2
Jan 04 13:14:49 <fxspec06> fatal error: bits/predefs.h: No such file or directory
Jan 04 13:15:07 <ShiftyAxel> hmm
Jan 04 13:15:33 <ShiftyAxel> which branch of woce-build are you on?
Jan 04 13:15:52 <ShiftyAxel> iirc one of them don't work so good
Jan 04 13:15:52 <fxspec06> i'm on my own repo, pretty sure i fetch upstream first
Jan 04 13:16:44 <fxspec06> i forked from woce/woce-build
Jan 04 13:17:21 <ShiftyAxel> yeah, but that has two branches iirc
Jan 04 13:17:29 <fxspec06> aha
Jan 04 13:17:30 <ShiftyAxel> one of which may or may not be broken
Jan 04 13:17:42 <ShiftyAxel> man, it's been forever since I used woce-build
Jan 04 13:17:55 <ShiftyAxel> and to think there was a day when I'd have picked it over OE... jeez
Jan 04 13:18:24 <ShiftyAxel> I gotta go take another caffeine nap now, bb15min
Jan 04 13:18:33 <fxspec06> k
Jan 04 13:40:06 <fxspec06> all 3 makefiles yield the same error. err points to /usr/include/features.h:324:26, but can't find that file
Jan 04 13:41:25 <ShiftyAxel> fxspec06: hm, sounds like a staged file
Jan 04 13:41:37 <fxspec06> yeah, someone staged me alright
Jan 04 13:41:45 <fxspec06> they want me to not build =( lol
Jan 04 13:41:49 <ShiftyAxel> it'll probably be in a dir inside woce-build
Jan 04 13:42:18 <ShiftyAxel> dtzWill is the best person to ask about this iirc, i think woce-build was his baby.
Jan 04 13:42:42 <fxspec06> whada u know, staging, is in there
Jan 04 13:45:30 <fxspec06> strange, bits/redefs.h IS there
Jan 04 13:45:36 <fxspec06> s/redefs/predefs
Jan 04 13:46:03 <ShiftyAxel> are you building custom straight off?
Jan 04 13:46:29 <ShiftyAxel> not sure if it'd help, but you may want to make a vanilla image first to see if that has the same issues
Jan 04 13:46:42 <fxspec06> yeah. all 3 makefiles error the same, at same point tho....
Jan 04 13:54:54 <fxspec06> if i pass the -i flag, it builds success, but a ton of errs
Jan 04 14:00:21 <fxspec06> grr. idk what i'm doing
Jan 04 14:02:59 <fxspec06> i advanced, had wrong LunaSysMgr directory in config file
Jan 04 14:12:31 <fxspec06> now, armv7/bin/qmake-palm not found
Jan 04 14:53:33 <morphis> morning
Jan 04 14:57:51 <fxspec06> i think i forgot to install the prereqs
Jan 04 14:57:57 * fxspec06 hoping
Jan 04 14:58:01 <fxspec06> morning
Jan 04 14:59:43 <fxspec06> woah it's working!
Jan 04 15:00:00 <morphis> ShiftyAxel: great, you fixed the browser issue?
Jan 04 15:00:02 <morphis> s/?//
Jan 04 15:00:03 <WoceBot> morphis meant: ShiftyAxel: great, you fixed the browser issue
Jan 04 15:01:43 <ShiftyAxel> i sure did
Jan 04 15:02:13 <fxspec06> g++-multilib and ia32......... how did i forget those..
Jan 04 15:03:14 <fxspec06> now a new one: error processing project file
Jan 04 15:03:43 <morphis> ShiftyAxel: nice
Jan 04 15:04:17 <morphis> ShiftyAxel: should we submit it upstream?
Jan 04 15:05:05 <ShiftyAxel> it's a little hacky at the moment, and should probably go along with the ui scaling stuff since the issue depends on that
Jan 04 15:05:15 <morphis> ah ok
Jan 04 15:13:42 <fxspec06> woce still compiling... *fingers crossed*
Jan 04 15:14:27 <fxspec06> i believe it worked, fully
Jan 04 15:15:10 <fxspec06> i had to use the woce make file
Jan 04 15:15:18 <Choorp> Question... Is this the place for Open webOS feature requests or should I use #webos-offtopic?
Jan 04 15:15:26 <fxspec06> custom was not working.. is that bad? what's the difference
Jan 04 15:17:53 <fxspec06> i've made an IPK... oh wow... this is good right
Jan 04 15:18:04 <fxspec06> if it installs, it means i can make cool things do cool things!
Jan 04 15:20:09 <ka6sox> Choorp, #openwebos
Jan 04 15:20:26 <ka6sox> (or here too as we might implement it if we like it)
Jan 04 15:20:39 <HaDAk> maybe the bug tracker?
Jan 04 15:21:00 <fxspec06> uhh, looks like i built 0.0.1?
Jan 04 15:22:59 <Choorp> +ka6sox: Alright, I'll try here then.
Jan 04 15:23:18 <ka6sox> (but do tell us here too!)
Jan 04 15:23:32 <ka6sox> morning Choorp
Jan 04 15:23:39 <Choorp> I was wondering if it was possible to add something similar to my New Device Menu patch. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/320974-patch-new-device-menu.html
Jan 04 15:24:14 <Choorp> I know the Device Menu is very different in 3.0+, and I'm not familiar with how that works. If I could add it myself, I definitely would...
Jan 04 15:26:06 <fxspec06> attempting install... it's taken me 5 months to get this far..
Jan 04 15:26:20 <HaDAk> if implemented, hopefully it's not that ugly
Jan 04 15:26:33 <HaDAk> sorry garrett92c
Jan 04 15:26:38 <Choorp> HaDAk: jerk :P
Jan 04 15:26:41 <morphis> Choorp: which files does your patch touch?
Jan 04 15:26:46 <morphis> Choorp: the QML files?
Jan 04 15:27:21 <HaDAk> Choorp: never claimed not to be. in fact, i'm notorious for calling things ugly. ask anyone.
Jan 04 15:27:36 <Choorp> +morphis: just devicemenu-assistant.js, devicemenu.css, and devicemenu-scene.html in /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/
Jan 04 15:27:57 <fxspec06> k, so i think this worked. 0.0.1 doesn't have anything changed
Jan 04 15:27:58 <Choorp> HaDAk: You seemed to like my Dash Weather app at least. heh
Jan 04 15:28:07 <HaDAk> i did like that.
Jan 04 15:28:13 <HaDAk> do.
Jan 04 15:28:25 <HaDAk> although, you can still launch it without loading a card.
Jan 04 15:28:32 <HaDAk> and making me click a button
Jan 04 15:28:33 <Choorp> +morphis: This patch is for webOS 2.x devices, so it's all Mojo
Jan 04 15:28:40 <morphis> ah
Jan 04 15:28:58 <morphis> you might probably be able to reimplement it for OWO
Jan 04 15:29:02 <Choorp> +morphis: I'd liek something similar is Open webOS, but I know nothing of QML
Jan 04 15:29:05 <morphis> system menu is written in QML
Jan 04 15:29:06 <fxspec06> it shows as an application in preware..... is this normal?
Jan 04 15:29:20 <morphis> Choorp: if you know html/css+js it isn't that hard
Jan 04 15:29:24 <Choorp> +morphis: I may need to start learning...
Jan 04 15:29:26 <morphis> mostly the same but different syntax
Jan 04 15:29:30 <Choorp> +morphis: Oh, great!
Jan 04 15:29:32 <morphis> Choorp: would be really nice
Jan 04 15:29:51 <morphis> and if we don't integrate it we can at least provide it as patch as you did for legacy webos
Jan 04 15:30:11 <morphis> Choorp: but if you like please go and implement it
Jan 04 15:30:13 <morphis> I like this
Jan 04 15:30:33 <morphis> but I would more like to have a system menu like the one in android 4.2
Jan 04 15:30:34 <Choorp> +morphis: Awesome. I just think it's time for an upgraded Device Menu. It hasn't changed much over the past 3.5 years
Jan 04 15:30:43 <morphis> yes
Jan 04 15:30:51 <morphis> a fullscreen one you can swipe down from the top
Jan 04 15:31:10 <morphis> Choorp: you saw the one from the Ubuntu phone UI?
Jan 04 15:31:22 <Choorp> +morphis: The stock Quick Settings thing? It's a great idea but it's currently worthless. :/
Jan 04 15:31:50 <Choorp> +morphis: I'm more a fan of CyanogenMod's Settings row in the notification shade.
Jan 04 15:31:57 <fxspec06> hello, i been using wrong repository all along... ugh
Jan 04 15:31:58 <morphis> Choorp: that was what I meant :)
Jan 04 15:32:27 <morphis> Choorp: which target device do you have for OWO?
Jan 04 15:32:46 <Choorp> +morphis: I have a Gnex (maguro)
Jan 04 15:32:52 <morphis> great
Jan 04 15:33:01 <morphis> you have owo already on the device?
Jan 04 15:33:04 <fxspec06> so i finally forked the correct repo. the latest stable branch is webOS-ports/master ..?
Jan 04 15:33:19 <Choorp> +morphis: No, not yet. I need to get around to building it
Jan 04 15:33:23 <morphis> ok
Jan 04 15:34:20 <Choorp> +morphis: Plus, it's my daily driver. I can only really test owo late at night when I dn't need to woorry about calls or other phone stuff
Jan 04 15:34:55 <morphis> ok
Jan 04 15:36:27 <ShiftyAxel> Choorp: need a hand getting things building?
Jan 04 15:36:55 <HaDAk> who has the servers gram provided?
Jan 04 15:37:00 <morphis> Choorp: ShiftyAxel will assist you with doing the work, if you have any questions related to luna-sysmgr he is the right one :)
Jan 04 15:37:09 <morphis> HaDAk: we :)
Jan 04 15:37:23 <Choorp> +ShiftyAxel: I still need to get my Ubuntu set up. I'll have time to do that later tonight
Jan 04 15:37:28 <HaDAk> morphis: do you have a current build of owo for the n7 built? if not, can you toss it together?
Jan 04 15:37:35 <Choorp> +morphis: Thanks!
Jan 04 15:37:52 <ShiftyAxel> HaDAk: it's roll-your-own until release
Jan 04 15:37:53 <HaDAk> i'd like to test it, but i don't have the space on my laptop to compile. they gave me a paltry 250gb ssd. :|
Jan 04 15:37:59 <HaDAk> balls.
Jan 04 15:38:14 <ShiftyAxel> to prevent potential mishaps
Jan 04 15:38:21 <swisstomcat> how does one setup a N7 to run owos?
Jan 04 15:38:32 <HaDAk> http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing_Nexus_7
Jan 04 15:41:58 <morphis> HaDAk: I have one locally, I just provide the sources you have to build it on your own as long it's in alpha
Jan 04 15:42:24 <HaDAk> yeah, well. i don't have the resources to do so atm
Jan 04 15:46:29 <_minego> Morning
Jan 04 15:46:42 <PatrickC|Away> Morning
Jan 04 15:47:22 <Choorp> Patrick|Away: Mornin
Jan 04 15:47:28 <Choorp> _minego: Morning
Jan 04 15:48:25 <swisstomcat> hadak: that document still has nexus phone all over it :)
Jan 04 15:48:26 <PatrickC> Hey Choorp and _minego
Jan 04 15:48:35 <HaDAk> hey PatrickC
Jan 04 15:48:44 <HaDAk> swisstomcat: i didn't write it :P
Jan 04 15:48:51 <HaDAk> but it's not so different than the gnex
Jan 04 15:48:55 <HaDAk> i should know. i have both. :P
Jan 04 15:49:17 <scoutcamper> I did. I thought I got all that phone stuff out of it....
Jan 04 15:49:22 <HaDAk> you know, that reminds me…i've got a spare vzw gnex that has no service. we don't have cdma drivers anyway, so i might as well put owo on it.
Jan 04 15:54:00 <_minego> grr, I blew a breaker
Jan 04 16:27:15 <fxspec06> gah, i quit for today..
Jan 04 16:28:03 <_minego> Probably a good call
Jan 04 16:29:00 <fxspec06> well like, there's so many branches, and i'm no git master, so like, learning along the way makes it difficult. at least i was able to build something, and install it
Jan 04 16:29:10 <fxspec06> big step forward for now
Jan 04 16:29:43 <ShiftyAxel> and you're hugely sleep deprived
Jan 04 16:29:53 <ShiftyAxel> that generally doesn't help
Jan 04 16:30:16 * PatrickC <3 git
Jan 04 16:30:16 <fxspec06> lol, i think i'm actually past that. i ate, showered, i got 2nd wind :D but yeah, it def doesn't help.
Jan 04 16:30:49 <scoutcamper> ~sleep fxspec06
Jan 04 16:30:50 * WoceBot uses the banhammer to put fxspec06 to sleep for the next 12 hours
Jan 04 16:31:04 <PatrickC> fxspec06: r u trying to use git from cli or from a desktop UI?
Jan 04 16:31:06 <fxspec06> one of these days i'll get it going and fx-inize webos
Jan 04 16:33:52 <_minego> fx-inizing sounds ominous
Jan 04 16:34:26 <HaDAk> do we know if they are/aren't announcing the webos tv at ces next week? i've heard both ways
Jan 04 16:35:08 <fxspec06> i say, don't believe a single word you hear, until you see... i've heard both sides
Jan 04 16:35:24 <HaDAk> yeah, kinda what i thought.
Jan 04 16:35:51 <fxspec06> personally, i think webos will make an appearance, but i doubt it'll be an LG TV, and i doubt it'll be spectacular
Jan 04 16:36:16 <_minego> I think it would be better to not show up than to make a token appearance
Jan 04 16:37:26 <fxspec06> hp is deep in the hole. last thing they need is more missed promises and weak appearances
Jan 04 16:38:33 <fxspec06> at this point, no news is good news, since most of the news has been bad....
Jan 04 16:38:42 <_minego> Yeah
Jan 04 16:39:31 <HaDAk> damn hp for buying webos
Jan 04 16:41:23 <fxspec06> could be worse. could been google
Jan 04 16:41:33 <fxspec06> or barnes and nobel...
Jan 04 16:42:48 <HaDAk> what if android never existed, and google owned webos?
Jan 04 16:43:13 <_minego> Then they would have turned it into something similar to what android is now
Jan 04 16:43:22 <fxspec06> yep, wouldn't be webos
Jan 04 16:43:29 <_minego> Original android was a very very different animal. Google turned it into what it is.
Jan 04 16:43:36 <HaDAk> true.
Jan 04 16:43:42 * HaDAk hates android
Jan 04 16:43:49 <fxspec06> it'd be a glorified email client / search device that uses a million name brand apps and services
Jan 04 16:43:58 <fxspec06> with zero personality
Jan 04 16:44:09 <ShiftyAxel> gentlemen please, take wild speculation to -offtopic :p
Jan 04 16:44:31 <_minego> ShiftyAxel: sorry
Jan 04 16:46:00 <ShiftyAxel> it's all good :)
Jan 04 16:49:09 <swisstomcat> i use android every day .. it's quite good (well, post 4.1) :)
Jan 04 16:49:38 <swisstomcat> looking forward to have webos on a tablet again :)
Jan 04 16:50:37 <HaDAk> i use it everyday too. i also want to shoot myself in the face.
Jan 04 16:53:20 <ShiftyAxel> heh
Jan 04 16:53:38 <ShiftyAxel> i think it's going in the right direction, despite 4.2 introducing some regressions
Jan 04 16:53:45 <ShiftyAxel> but i still pick Ow
Jan 04 16:56:57 <HaDAk> 4.2 irritates the hell out of me.
Jan 04 16:57:13 <HaDAk> i used to be able to flick my notifications down. now, you have to drag and hold
Jan 04 16:57:55 <ka6sox> HaDAk, OT
Jan 04 16:58:07 * HaDAk points at ShiftyAxel :O
Jan 04 16:58:11 <HaDAk> meanie.
Jan 04 17:05:07 <ka6sox> ShiftyAxel, OT
Jan 04 17:05:18 <ka6sox> HaDAk, there...satisfied :P
Jan 04 17:05:26 <HaDAk> yes :P
Jan 04 17:05:59 <ShiftyAxel> consider my wrist slapped :p
Jan 04 17:15:14 <linuxjacques> they screwed up BT in 4.2 as well - changed the stack
Jan 04 17:26:49 <ShiftyAxel> linuxjacques: careful, wrist-slappery may ensue if we keep discussing android in here
Jan 04 17:26:53 <ShiftyAxel> :o
Jan 04 17:26:57 <ShiftyAxel> *:p
Jan 04 17:27:07 <linuxjacques> :-9
Jan 04 17:29:14 <ka6sox> Android Sucks comments are not helpful....
Jan 04 17:29:38 <ka6sox> "this is how android does it" and "this is how we are different than android" is different.
Jan 04 17:29:39 * HaDAk put it in -offtopic
Jan 04 17:31:40 <HaDAk> never change [for the worse], webOS. <3
Jan 04 17:33:38 <linuxjacques> maybe *that* can be our SCALE banner tag  :-)
Jan 04 23:15:25 <dwc-> how about "webos: there's (maybe) a patch for that"
Jan 04 23:15:59 <ka6sox> its not always patches...
Jan 04 23:59:03 <dwc-> yea, but that's not catchy
Jan 04 23:59:13 <dwc-> and we can't say there's an app for that because well, this is webos... so... there isn't
Jan 05 00:00:43 <ka6sox> *zing!*
Jan 05 00:49:30 <michaelhurley> list
Jan 05 01:10:44 * LarrySteeze stumbles in
Jan 05 01:15:11 <LarrySteeze> I think it should be something along the lines of WebOS-Ports, the view from within OUR ship.
Jan 05 01:15:23 <LarrySteeze> ka6sox: off the mark?
Jan 05 01:22:05 <ka6sox> LarrySteeze, unknown...
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