**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 21 02:59:59 2013 Jan 21 12:37:56 Hey Shifty Jan 21 12:38:53 morning Unisian Jan 21 12:39:06 what's the word? Jan 21 12:39:32 Did you computer arrive yet? and just at work, sorting out 8x FreeBSD Machines for a convention. Yourself? Jan 21 12:40:45 naw, they tried to deliver it to the wrong address despite me telling customer services what the right one is.... so stuff it, I'm getting a taxi to the repo later to get it myself Jan 21 12:41:13 and i'm just chilling out at home currently, waiting for my 4 o'clock lecture Jan 21 12:41:16 Haha oh dear... I'd complain and get your delivery money back Jan 21 12:41:53 yeah, I've already sent an email to the pc builders telling them exactly what i think of DPD :P Jan 21 12:42:18 I'm 19, and fear I am too young to read said email. Jan 21 12:43:08 haha, well that's only 1.95 years younger than me Jan 21 12:43:39 I take it your birthday is soon then..? and you assume I'm recently 19 ;) Jan 21 12:43:45 and DPD are the people i'm angry at, the pc guys themselves were great Jan 21 12:44:04 Should have gone with good ol' Parcel Force :D Jan 21 12:44:17 yeah, that was mostly to illustrate that i'm 21 on thurs Jan 21 12:44:23 alas yes Jan 21 12:44:29 Ahh fair enough, I'm 20 in April ^^ Jan 21 12:44:41 the people who know what slow chains are :p Jan 21 12:44:50 *snow Jan 21 12:44:54 god damnit android Jan 21 12:44:59 nice :) Jan 21 12:48:04 How does the whole WebOS Ports team work? From what I've seen you've based just about everywhere... Who got the donated servers? ^^ Jan 21 12:49:46 we pretty much are all over the place, i think the servers are hosted at OSUOSL Jan 21 12:50:20 http://osuosl.org Jan 21 12:50:51 Ahh OK, was that HP's or WebOS Ports decision? Jan 21 13:06:17 well that not good I got like 35 years on you guys :) Jan 21 13:07:40 Unisian: afaik webOS Internals always used OSUOSL, so as a sister project we do the same Jan 21 13:08:00 That makes sense... Why didn't I think of that?! Jan 21 13:08:34 micro-tech: that's 35 years of experience and wisdom though ;) Jan 21 13:08:53 Unisian: because you aren't psychic? :p Jan 21 13:09:24 ShiftyAxel: No, but I read through the site and saw WebOS Internals on there... It would make sense ;) Jan 21 14:32:01 My co-worked is refusing to use Git for our next huge project... Anyone know where I can hide a body? Jan 21 14:37:02 ask hans reiser Jan 21 14:40:25 lol Jan 21 15:13:33 so, i can do something with mail right now. i'm not sure where to begin, proabbly by cloning the repot into a sparkling clean folder Jan 21 15:14:35 fxspec06: I recommend adding a setting for the length of time to go back! :) I hate not being able to see my old messages on my Touchpad :( Jan 21 15:21:36 i don't see a repo for the mail on github Jan 21 15:22:19 https://github.com/webOS-ports/core-apps/tree/master/com.palm.app.email Jan 21 15:22:46 WebOS Ports don't have their own version yet, so there's not a dedicated repo for it Jan 21 15:23:55 i see Jan 21 15:31:07 having remote access to the kid's linux machine ftw. Jan 21 15:31:14 "hey, that's loud. lemme turn that down for ya." Jan 21 15:31:29 "hey, you play too much minecraft. lemme turn that off for ya." Jan 21 15:31:35 "hey, whatcha doin? not anymore." Jan 21 15:32:10 +1 internets to Shocksite him :D Jan 21 15:32:19 her >.> Jan 21 15:32:29 and she's 7. Jan 21 15:32:29 so no. Jan 21 15:32:31 :P Jan 21 15:32:45 Awww :( Jan 21 15:33:24 But we do it to the Mac guy in our office! :D Jan 21 15:33:35 He's about as smart as a 7 year old girl, if that counts..? Jan 21 15:33:36 that mac guy is over 18 :P Jan 21 15:34:33 Oh fine :( Jan 21 15:34:53 besides. i have dansguardian set up Jan 21 15:34:56 ideally it'll block that. Jan 21 15:35:14 But, you can bypass it I'm sure? Jan 21 15:35:57 See, my schools IT System was dreadful :p Not sure what it's like there Jan 21 15:36:21 well. Jan 21 15:36:25 ok i got a fresh new repot https://github.com/fxspec06/com.palm.app.email Jan 21 15:36:29 s/repot/repo/ Jan 21 15:36:37 my last job was working at barracuda networks supporting their web filter. Jan 21 15:36:45 my current job is network security for arbor networks Jan 21 15:37:06 so, i'd say i know a thing or two about the matter ^^ Jan 21 15:39:05 I changed my password once :) Jan 21 15:41:41 YAY Jan 21 15:41:57 So, I think we're about on par# Jan 21 15:42:30 Unisian: individual accounts have had a setting for length of time to go back for quite some time Jan 21 15:42:52 also, aren't i supposed to be using an offline version to upgrade, or am i just going off the stock core app? Jan 21 15:43:20 right now, i have the threaded mail installed Jan 21 15:43:22 Oh, I found it. Couldn't find it last night >.> Jan 21 16:11:25 fxspec06: I think what has been done so far, is the apps have been completely re-written from the group up using the old ones as reference Jan 21 17:14:19 morning Jan 21 17:29:35 http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/15/runbo-x5-x3-x1/%20%3Chttp://www.engadget.com/2013/01/15/runbo-x5-x3-x1/ << want Jan 21 17:32:03 i like the candybar one, but do they really still need the four buttons on the screen? esp with a whole keyboard right there Jan 21 17:32:17 ka6sox, the only thing it is missing is a ham radio band tranciever :P Jan 21 17:32:33 and OWO Jan 21 17:32:36 :P Jan 21 17:33:34 i wish more companies made rugged devices Jan 21 17:33:42 scoutcamper, it covers the 70cm ham band Jan 21 17:35:15 i'm compiling grouper fellows http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Nexus_7_Build_Setup, and got a error "Cannot make dir /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/rootfs/usr/lib/ssl/private/: Permission denied." when do_rootfs Jan 21 17:35:39 can someone help me? Jan 21 17:36:14 sounds like you need to recusivley chown /opt/workspace/webos-ports to your user Jan 21 17:36:15 tsgcxy, can you pastebin the last 50 lines of the log pelase? Jan 21 17:36:29 and first 50 Jan 21 17:36:30 s/pelase/please/ Jan 21 17:37:52 i check the file (...usr/lib/ssl) , is a link to /etc/ssl Jan 21 17:41:28 it seems that when install ipk, it will fellow this link Jan 21 17:41:43 we need the log Jan 21 17:42:52 + read pkg pkgfile Jan 21 17:42:54 + cat /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/buildhistory/images/grouper/eglibc/webos-dev-image/installed-package-sizes.tmp Jan 21 17:42:55 + sort -n -r Jan 21 17:42:57 + awk '{print $1 "\tKiB " $2}' Jan 21 17:42:58 + rm /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/buildhistory/images/grouper/eglibc/webos-dev-image/installed-package-sizes.tmp Jan 21 17:43:00 + rm /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/buildhistory/images/grouper/eglibc/webos-dev-image/installed-packages.tmp Jan 21 17:43:01 + grep -v kernel_image /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/buildhistory/images/grouper/eglibc/webos-dev-image/depends.dot Jan 21 17:43:03 + grep -v kernel_3 Jan 21 17:43:04 + grep -v kernel_2 Jan 21 17:43:06 + grep -v libc6 /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/buildhistory/images/grouper/eglibc/webos-dev-image/depends-nokernel.dot Jan 21 17:43:07 + grep -v libgcc Jan 21 17:43:09 + grep -v update_ /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/buildhistory/images/grouper/eglibc/webos-dev-image/depends-nokernel-nolibc.dot Jan 21 17:43:10 + grep -v kernel_module /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/buildhistory/images/grouper/eglibc/webos-dev-image/depends-nokernel-nolibc-noupdate.dot Jan 21 17:43:11 dont paste it here Jan 21 17:43:12 + rootfs_update_timestamp Jan 21 17:43:13 + date -u +%4Y%2m%2d%2H%2M Jan 21 17:43:15 + openssh_allow_empty_password Jan 21 17:43:17 + '[' -e /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/rootfs/etc/ssh/sshd_config ']' Jan 21 17:43:18 + sed -i 's#.*PermitRootLogin.*#PermitRootLogin yes#' /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/rootfs/etc/ssh/sshd_config Jan 21 17:43:20 + sed -i 's#.*PermitEmptyPasswords.*#PermitEmptyPasswords yes#' /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/rootfs/etc/ssh/sshd_config Jan 21 17:43:21 + rm -f /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/rootfs/var/lib/opkg/lists/oe /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/rootfs/var/lib/opkg/lists/oe-all /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/rootfs/var/lib/opkg/lists/oe-armv7a-vfp-neon /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp- Jan 21 17:43:22 eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/rootfs/var/lib/opkg/lists/oe-grouper Jan 21 17:43:24 + false Jan 21 17:43:25 + set +x Jan 21 17:43:27 log_check: Using /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/temp/log.do_rootfs.22397 as logfile Jan 21 17:43:28 log_check: There were error messages in the logfile Jan 21 17:43:30 log_check: Matched keyword: [Collected errors] Jan 21 17:43:31 Configuring packagegroup-webos-boot-lic. Jan 21 17:43:33 Configuring packagegroup-webos-boot. Jan 21 17:43:34 Configuring org.webosports.app.settings. Jan 21 17:43:36 Configuring wireless-tools. Jan 21 17:43:37 Configuring packagegroup-webos-ports-extended. Jan 21 17:43:40 Collected errors: Jan 21 17:43:40 * extract_archive: Cannot make dir /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/rootfs/usr/lib/ssl/private/: Permission denied. Jan 21 17:43:42 + '[' '!' -z '' ']' Jan 21 17:43:43 + package_tryout_install_multilib_ipk Jan 21 17:43:45 + multilib_tryout_dirs= Jan 21 17:43:46 + '[' '!' -z /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/multilib_check.py ']' Jan 21 17:43:48 ERROR: Function failed: do_rootfs (see /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/temp/log.do_rootfs.22397 for further information) Jan 21 17:43:49 :( Jan 21 17:43:51 i'm sorry Jan 21 17:44:02 pastebin exists for this Jan 21 17:44:04 lol Jan 21 17:45:25 tsgcxy, please put the contents of /opt/workspace/WebOS/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/grouper-webos-linux-gnueabi/webos-dev-image-1.0-r0/temp/log.do_rootfs.22397 into a paste on pastebin.com and link to that paste Jan 21 17:49:14 http://pastebin.ca/2305409 Jan 21 17:51:49 tsgcxy: please paste also first 50 lines from bitbake output Jan 21 17:52:02 s/paste/pastebin Jan 21 17:53:04 http://pastebin.ca/2305410 Jan 21 17:53:37 F16 is not a supported distrobution for us Jan 21 17:55:10 ): Jan 21 17:55:15 Gentoo(shr-chroot) and Ubuntu 12.04 are listed on the wikipage as the only supported distrobutions. Jan 21 17:55:38 sounds bad Jan 21 17:57:35 I think I killed my Ubuntu :/ Jan 21 17:57:36 OK, i will try Jan 21 17:57:59 tsgcxy, its possible to use F16...just make sure you have the dependencies Jan 21 17:58:18 (they may have different packages that provide what you need) Jan 21 17:59:01 i think so, but i just don't know what happened Jan 21 17:59:15 tsgcxy: can you pastebin ls -lR tmp-eglibc/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi/openssl-1.0.0j-r17.3/packages-split/ ? Jan 21 17:59:46 a minute Jan 21 18:01:09 Anyone know about an Issue with Ubuntu, of which whenever I open Chromium or Firefox and try to load a page, it half loads then crashes? Jan 21 18:01:11 tsgcxy: and also ls -lR tmp-eglibc/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi/pmcertificatemgr-2.0.0-27-r3/packages-split/ Jan 21 18:02:36 Unisian, http://www.flickr.com/photos/68099814@N00/8216012276/in/photostream Jan 21 18:02:50 * JaMa bbl Jan 21 18:03:58 it's larger than 15K Jan 21 18:04:12 maybe you want part of it Jan 21 18:04:12 tsgcxy, split it up Jan 21 18:04:22 2 pastebins Jan 21 18:04:32 ka6sox: Can't open it, my browser is just dying all the time :( Jan 21 18:04:48 rrrrrrrrrrrreboot time! Jan 21 18:05:00 it's 169K Jan 21 18:05:04 Tried that, nothing, tried uninstall, reinstall D: Jan 21 18:05:18 try https://ezcrypt.it/ :D Jan 21 18:05:50 Unisian, is this on the windows or ubuntu side? Jan 21 18:05:56 Ubuntu :( Jan 21 18:06:25 Tried FF, Chromium, Midori Jan 21 18:06:45 Ahh, 2 seconds I think I know why Jan 21 18:07:13 http://pastebin.ca/2305414 Jan 21 18:08:05 http://pastebin.ca/2305416 Jan 21 18:12:16 tsgcxy, JaMa had to go for a bit...he will see this when he gets back Jan 21 18:12:17 If I were to completely wipe my computer, do you recommend 12.04 32-Bit/64-Bit or 12.10? Jan 21 18:12:26 64bit Jan 21 18:12:35 12.04? Jan 21 18:13:07 tsgcxy: ok so /usr/lib/ssl from openssl package is not symlink, waiting for that pmcertifactemgr output Jan 21 18:14:46 thats what we support Jan 21 18:14:49 12.04/64 Jan 21 18:15:04 OK thanks, going to make a disk now, and format... Jan 21 18:15:16 jaMa, i don't understand Jan 21 18:15:23 19:01:15 <+JaMa> tsgcxy: and also ls -lR tmp-eglibc/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi/pmcertificatemgr-2.0.0-27-r3/packages-split/ Jan 21 18:15:52 JaMa, thats like 169k and the paste is too big :( Jan 21 18:17:23 OK: ls -lR tmp-eglibc/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi/pmcertificatemgr-2.0.0-27-r3/packages-split/ | grep /usr/lib Jan 21 18:17:58 OK: ls -lR tmp-eglibc/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi/pmcertificatemgr-2.0.0-27-r3/packages-split/ | grep /usr/lib -A 8 Jan 21 18:18:03 http://pastebin.ca/2305417 Jan 21 18:18:42 hmm also not symlink Jan 21 18:19:10 so the email app is 110% dependent on accounts aye? it can't work without "accounts" app from webos? meaning there's no way to test it other than to run it in enyo 1 in the app id com.palm.app.xxxxxx Jan 21 18:20:36 * fxspec06_ will to talk to ShiftyAxel at some point about this Jan 21 18:22:26 fxspec06_, okay so we need to get that one sorted too.... Jan 21 18:22:35 is quite late at my zone, i got to sleep Jan 21 18:23:11 tsgcxy, what TZ are you in? Jan 21 18:23:18 +8 Jan 21 18:23:24 oy Jan 21 18:23:25 yup Jan 21 18:23:26 nite! Jan 21 18:23:31 tsgcxy: ping me tomorrow Jan 21 18:23:46 thanks a lot Jan 21 18:23:57 you are so kind Jan 21 18:24:04 well it's just there's so many different ways i can approach attacking a port, and none of them involve immediate results or the ability to independently add mail accounts, which means inability to test anything really Jan 21 18:24:24 nite! Jan 21 18:24:32 goodnight tsgcxy! Jan 21 18:26:11 unless, i were to start a fresh app that ran enyo 2 in a webkit from enyo 1, just to start Jan 21 18:26:21 s/in a webkit/in a webview/ Jan 21 18:26:28 fxspec06_, i would still ask ShiftyAxel|Away Jan 21 18:27:37 ShiftyAxel|Away, is in a taxi getting his new PC as we speak, i expect he will be back in an hour or so.... Jan 21 18:28:18 that's somewhat comical Jan 21 18:35:54 http://i.imgur.com/3jZMBla.png Jan 21 18:36:23 tsgcxy: in my build only pmcertificatemgr and openssl are touching /usr/lib/ssl, tomorrow we have to debug which package provides that symlink instead of actuall directory Jan 21 20:55:22 ka6sox: can I get upload permission on the wiki? My wiki account is "Darakian" Jan 21 20:56:33 i can do that Jan 21 20:56:37 one moment Jan 21 20:56:46 cool Jan 21 20:56:48 thanks Jan 21 20:58:29 Darakians, you should have upload rights allready Jan 21 20:58:47 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Special:Upload Jan 21 21:01:10 Permissions errors Jan 21 21:01:12 Jump to: navigation, search Jan 21 21:01:14 You do not have permission to upload this file, for the following reason: Jan 21 21:01:15 The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Administrators, human. Jan 21 21:01:21 That's what I get Jan 21 21:01:58 0.o Jan 21 21:02:30 Darakians, try now? Jan 21 21:02:46 sec Jan 21 21:02:57 same Jan 21 21:03:27 which wiki are you on? Jan 21 21:03:36 webos-ports Jan 21 21:03:44 .org Jan 21 21:03:49 logout and log back in? Jan 21 21:04:32 same Jan 21 21:05:58 this is for the account "Darakian" right? Jan 21 21:06:06 yea Jan 21 21:06:10 k Jan 21 21:07:01 * scoutcamper is checking wiki db tables Jan 21 21:07:21 brb Jan 21 21:08:09 k Jan 21 21:09:59 ShiftyAxel: How would I "decompile" the Date&Time ipk so I can have a look at it to help with making the Settings app? Jan 21 21:10:58 Darakians, okay, try now? Jan 21 21:11:11 DB tables are fine so i set you to an admin as a test Jan 21 21:11:13 errors Jan 21 21:11:43 wtf Jan 21 21:11:49 it's saying I don't have permissions to upload "this" file Jan 21 21:11:58 what is the file name? Jan 21 21:12:04 I didn't give it one Jan 21 21:12:17 I'm just using the link off the wallpaper contest page Jan 21 21:13:29 i hate to do this to you, but can i ask you to request a new account, ill aprove it immediately and see if that fixes it? Jan 21 21:14:10 sure Jan 21 21:14:12 sec Jan 21 21:15:01 requested "Darakians" Jan 21 21:15:05 er Jan 21 21:15:07 Unisian: anything that works with .deb files should be able to work with .ipk too - dpkg for example (installing them might be not a good idea though) Jan 21 21:15:23 why do I need a biography? Jan 21 21:15:33 stbuehler: Ahh, Thanks :) Jan 21 21:15:43 ok, it's in Jan 21 21:15:46 Darakians, its part of the spam prevention Jan 21 21:16:56 Darakians, nice bio :P account approved and promoted, go ahead and try? Jan 21 21:18:09 Permissions errors Jan 21 21:18:11 Jump to: navigation, search Jan 21 21:18:13 You do not have permission to upload this file, for the following reason: Jan 21 21:18:14 The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Administrators, human. Jan 21 21:18:35 got it Jan 21 21:18:43 it was logging me out on that page for some reasomn Jan 21 21:18:52 Unisian: I grabbed my ones out of /usr/palm/applications iirc (of maybe /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/), no IPK decompression required Jan 21 21:19:18 Darakians, LOL. i guess that solves it. glad to know im not going crazy :) Jan 21 21:19:20 ShiftyAxel: Thanks, I'll try do that now ^^ Jan 21 21:19:32 thanks for the help Jan 21 21:19:51 no problem. thanks for the soon to be submitted wallpapers :) Jan 21 21:21:42 and it's up Jan 21 21:23:55 Darakians, very very nice indeed :) Jan 21 21:24:30 thanks, I might be able to get another before the deadline. Not sure. Jan 21 21:25:01 Darakians, is that looking east? Jan 21 21:25:19 it is sunrise ;) Jan 21 21:25:32 kewl Jan 21 21:25:39 lanikai beach if you know it Jan 21 21:25:51 yep, but I was there in 1976 Jan 21 21:26:06 oh wow Jan 21 21:26:13 here's the full res Jan 21 21:26:15 https://secure.flickr.com/photos/darakian/8403523370/in/photostream/lightbox/ Jan 21 21:26:30 full-er res Jan 21 21:26:34 ive got a friend who is on the main island right now Jan 21 21:26:44 define "main island" Jan 21 21:26:51 hawaii itself Jan 21 21:26:52 Oahu is the "main island" Jan 21 21:26:55 big island? Jan 21 21:26:59 ya Jan 21 21:26:59 oh the *Big* Island Jan 21 21:26:59 he flew in a few hours ago Jan 21 21:27:17 Oahu is the main island, big island is the... well big island Jan 21 21:27:21 my Sister lives on the Big Island... Jan 21 21:27:49 hence why my pictures are from there. Jan 21 21:28:04 I need to get over there some time Jan 21 21:28:13 the volcano is active right now Jan 21 21:28:26 yup Jan 21 21:28:34 http://www.flickr.com/photos/68099814@N00/7342715830/in/photostream <<< should I submit that one? Jan 21 21:28:52 haha, what is that? Jan 21 21:29:21 I found it on Moana Loa at an observatory... Jan 21 21:29:37 Is there any "adb pull" equivalent for the Touchpad? Jan 21 21:30:22 lol, could be a nice touchpad wallpaper Jan 21 21:30:23 Unisian, novacom pull? Jan 21 21:31:37 maybe this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/68099814@N00/7157470545/in/photostream Jan 21 21:32:36 that's nice, where is that? Jan 21 21:33:12 Figueroa Mountain, Santa Barbara County, CA Jan 21 21:33:39 during Poppy Season. Jan 21 21:33:51 that's really cool Jan 21 21:38:54 Darakians, http://www.flickr.com/photos/68099814@N00/5702222459/in/photostream Jan 21 21:39:01 my "sunrise" picture... Jan 21 21:39:28 hell of a sunrise Jan 21 21:39:44 visiting your sister up there? Jan 21 21:43:46 no, my Brother-in-Law took me up there for sunrise Jan 21 21:48:00 nice Jan 21 21:48:16 I've been meaning to get over to maui for a sunrise on haleakala Jan 21 21:48:49 but well Jan 21 21:48:53 time, money, etc Jan 21 21:50:05 yup Jan 21 22:34:26 morning all Jan 21 22:34:33 morning EricBlade Jan 21 23:30:12 Hello Jan 21 23:30:50 hey kesne_ Jan 21 23:30:55 whoops Jan 21 23:30:56 wircer! :p Jan 21 23:31:02 been a long time since i've seen that indent Jan 21 23:46:32 hiya kesne Jan 21 23:46:41 Hey ka6sox. Jan 21 23:46:48 I've been working on the calendar a little bit. Jan 21 23:46:54 sweet Jan 21 23:46:58 Trying to get some of the core UI ideas done. Jan 21 23:47:06 I keep messing around with what I want it to look like. Jan 21 23:47:16 I'll get it figured out one of these days. Jan 21 23:47:19 heh Jan 21 23:47:25 function before form! Jan 21 23:47:35 we can fix up the form easier than the function :D Jan 21 23:48:01 when is the wallpaper deadline? Jan 21 23:48:22 Feb 1 PatrickC Jan 21 23:48:29 ok Jan 21 23:48:34 * PatrickC thinks he might submit two today Jan 21 23:48:41 do eeet Jan 21 23:49:40 * PatrickC needs approvallllllll :) Jan 21 23:49:49 wait, stupid biography :P Jan 21 23:52:51 ka6sox: approval? :) Jan 21 23:54:08 ka6sox: I know generally function before form, but I hate ugly software more than I hate non-functional software. Jan 21 23:59:34 PatrickC, approved Jan 22 00:00:15 kesne, A pretty mockup can't go into a release...a ugly working thing can. Jan 22 00:00:43 thanks scoutcamper. but it's not accepting my password heh Jan 22 00:01:19 nvm Jan 22 00:01:32 mac mail was lagging on that email Jan 22 00:12:40 * PatrickC finally submitted Jan 22 00:28:10 folks Jan 22 00:28:17 hey bhuey Jan 22 00:44:49 kesne, did you seee this: kesne, A pretty mockup can't go into a release...a ugly working thing can. Jan 22 00:44:59 I saw that. Jan 22 00:45:09 :) Jan 22 00:45:09 But don't worry, it'll have the perfect mix of form and function. Jan 22 00:50:05 :) Jan 22 01:09:26 random question. What benefits are there to webOS CE on the touchpad? Are there any? Jan 22 01:09:53 a bunch of LunaSysMgr customizations and improvements Jan 22 01:11:56 do paid apps transfer over? Jan 22 01:12:04 or free apps for that matter Jan 22 01:12:56 they never leave Jan 22 01:13:08 all we are doing is replacing the binary Jan 22 01:13:21 cool Jan 22 01:13:23 for lack of a better analogy we are installing a custom launcher Jan 22 01:14:04 i hate that analogy, it's so awful Jan 22 01:14:25 a custom launcher to me is, the button you hit that shows you your apps. -__- Jan 22 01:14:36 how about a kernel upgrade then? Jan 22 01:14:36 i know Jan 22 01:14:46 or is the kernel not being touched? Jan 22 01:15:18 Darakians, its the the LunaSysMgr thats being replaced...like replacing KDE Jan 22 01:16:07 noted Jan 22 01:16:41 but not the kapps Jan 22 01:23:38 would these apps work on open webos? Jan 22 01:25:12 kapps? Jan 22 01:25:53 no, webos apps Jan 22 01:26:12 from the palm store Jan 22 01:26:40 1) if they are Enyo Jan 22 01:26:46 2) if you download them to a touchpad Jan 22 01:26:53 3) if you back them up with apptuckerbox Jan 22 01:27:07 4) if you restore them on a new Ow device. Jan 22 01:27:15 how can I tell if they're enyo? Jan 22 01:27:37 I don't actually know (without looking under the hood) Jan 22 01:27:46 hmm ok Jan 22 01:28:00 The UI is generally a give-away Jan 22 01:28:16 I spend more time in CLI on my devices than any GUI apps. Jan 22 01:28:22 http://www.webosnation.com/app-review-archive-manager Jan 22 01:28:26 mojo Jan 22 01:28:34 welp, time to learn enyo Jan 22 01:28:54 Darakians, if I can do it...almost anyone can! Jan 22 01:29:05 but I'm lazy! :( Jan 22 01:29:14 aren't we all? Jan 22 01:29:33 ya... are there any good books on enyo? wikis? Jan 22 01:30:25 enyo has a website Jan 22 01:30:35 and if there aren't any good books there will be very shortly Jan 22 01:30:56 enyojs.com? Jan 22 01:31:11 I'd get this book: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920027751.do Jan 22 01:31:14 thats what I used. Jan 22 01:31:40 it says pre order Jan 22 01:31:52 I tested... Jan 22 01:32:02 and is oddly on amazon Jan 22 01:32:07 ahh pre order Jan 22 01:32:22 I'll get right on it :p Jan 22 01:32:23 here you go https://github.com/enyojs/enyo/wiki Jan 22 01:33:00 Darakians, I consider python to be a "modern language" Jan 22 01:33:22 thanks micro-tech Jan 22 01:33:26 there also a API app in HP store Jan 22 01:33:36 (as opposed to the dead languages I had to learn in college) Jan 22 01:34:56 ok Jan 22 01:34:57 not much call for APL, or PL/1 programmers Jan 22 01:36:41 ka6sox, i had to learn a bit of AS400 at work last week, that was NUTS. Jan 22 02:19:06 I'm having an issue with setting the layout kind of a toolbar to FittableColumnsLayout. Jan 22 02:19:17 When the page renders the first time, there's a white space at the bottom. Jan 22 02:19:26 Almost as though it's not correctly calculating the height. Jan 22 02:25:31 Here's an example: Jan 22 02:25:31 http://jsfiddle.net/xgG7n/ Jan 22 02:25:36