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Jan 24 05:47:18 <bhuey> folks
Jan 24 06:06:14 <ka6sox> bhuey
Jan 24 06:31:10 <marmulak> hey buddies
Jan 24 06:31:59 <marmulak> I was searching the internet for information about the current state of webos
Jan 24 06:32:06 <marmulak> and trying to figure out what to do with my touchpad
Jan 24 06:32:37 <marmulak> I found out about webos-ports; does this mean there is hope of having openwebos on my touchpad maybe?
Jan 24 06:34:53 <scoutcamper> negative
Jan 24 06:34:59 <Herrie> Marmulak, don't count on it anytime soon due to not being available of proper drivers
Jan 24 06:34:59 <scoutcamper> we do not support legacy devices
Jan 24 06:35:13 <Herrie> Once there are proper drivers someone might attempt a port...
Jan 24 06:35:23 <marmulak> darn
Jan 24 06:35:24 <scoutcamper> we are porting to new devices, including the galaxy nexus, nexus 7, and Samsung Series 7 Slate
Jan 24 06:35:25 <Herrie> But not the ports guys ;)
Jan 24 06:35:44 <Herrie> Only thing happening for the TP is LunaCE and Dkirker is working on an updated browser
Jan 24 06:35:45 <marmulak> that
Jan 24 06:35:54 <marmulak> that's weird it says on the wiki you guys are doing touchpad wifi
Jan 24 06:36:00 <marmulak> hmm
Jan 24 06:36:01 <Herrie> THat's LunaCE
Jan 24 06:36:08 <Herrie> Updated LunaSysMgr
Jan 24 06:36:18 <scoutcamper> marmulak, the touchpad wifi is LunaCE(pronounced lunacy)
Jan 24 06:36:29 <Herrie> That's the only bit HP open sourced....
Jan 24 06:36:36 <scoutcamper> its like a updated UI more than anything else.
Jan 24 06:36:44 <marmulak> right
Jan 24 06:36:49 <Herrie> Problem with TP is lack of open drivers from Qualcomm and other bits
Jan 24 06:37:24 <Herrie> Problem is most manufacturers don't release "open source" drivers but binary files. These binary files can only be used with kernel version x.yy
Jan 24 06:37:40 <marmulak> well I mean from an end user standpoint updating luna would be the most significant aspect, since at the kernel/driver level things would be business as usual
Jan 24 06:37:55 <Herrie> Open webOS "needs" 3.3+ kernel and there are no drivers for this kernel for the TP :(
Jan 24 06:38:16 <marmulak> is there a lot more to webos besides luna, I mean on top of the base system
Jan 24 06:38:47 <Herrie> Luna = most significant, but another thing that would be good is updated webkit engine and that won't happen probably, or only for browser when Dkirker gets to this
Jan 24 06:38:57 <marmulak> I don't understand why these bastards don't have drivers, aren't these qualcomm chips widely used?
Jan 24 06:39:10 <Herrie> THere are drivers, but not open source
Jan 24 06:39:14 <Herrie> Just binaries
Jan 24 06:39:18 <scoutcamper> used widely=!=open source
Jan 24 06:39:22 <marmulak> yes
Jan 24 06:39:33 <Herrie> And since Android is still on 2.6 and 3.0 kernel, these drivers are no good
Jan 24 06:39:36 <marmulak> but popularity might make them targets for foss driver devs
Jan 24 06:39:59 <marmulak> so we have access to the drivers, but we have to use them with an outdated kernel
Jan 24 06:40:13 <scoutcamper> i havent seen any qualcom open source drivers
Jan 24 06:40:32 <Herrie> THere's code aurora that has some, but it's for newer stuff
Jan 24 06:41:02 <scoutcamper> i havent read the license for qualcomm binaries but generally the license prevents redistrobution of the binary blobs as well...
Jan 24 06:41:15 <marmulak> hm
Jan 24 06:41:49 <marmulak> do you think we'll see super generic tablet devices that would be easy targets for linux/webos
Jan 24 06:42:00 <Herrie> One could reverse engineer the binary, fix it up for 3.3+ and recompile it, but that aint easy
Jan 24 06:42:20 <scoutcamper> marmulak, what do you mean by "super generic"?
Jan 24 06:44:26 <scoutcamper> the nexus devices from google are fairly open with the exception of the nexus 4.
Jan 24 06:45:10 <halfhalo> if by super-generic you are talking about arm stuff?  dunno.  Intel stuff is a different story
Jan 24 06:46:16 <marmulak> I mean like a chinese tablet with components linux supports
Jan 24 06:46:47 <marmulak> I was thinking arm but chinese are making mips
Jan 24 06:50:02 <marmulak> in retrospect the touchpad seems like a bad investment
Jan 24 06:52:09 <Herrie> I'm quite sure someone will come up with something for it ;)
Jan 24 06:53:04 <marmulak> I hope
Jan 24 06:53:34 <marmulak> I have this piece of crap android rom I installed
Jan 24 06:53:41 <marmulak> it's all buggy and I couldn't find updates for it
Jan 24 06:54:05 <Herrie> Android sucks on tablet, only good thing is SOME of the apps
Jan 24 06:54:12 <Herrie> Multitasking is just horrible
Jan 24 06:54:27 <marmulak> the games are awesome
Jan 24 06:54:31 <marmulak> tablets are only good for games
Jan 24 06:54:50 <Herrie> Nah occasional browsing is ok ;)
Jan 24 06:54:57 <marmulak> I can't even remember the name of the rom I loaded
Jan 24 06:55:01 <Herrie> Some forum browsing etc with communities ;)
Jan 24 06:55:08 <marmulak> ;)
Jan 24 06:55:17 <marmulak> my touchpad is charging... the battery died and it won't boot
Jan 24 06:55:29 <marmulak> once I get it running again I'll try to figure out how to update this lunace
Jan 24 06:55:54 <Herrie> Just enable beta (and alpha) feeds in Preware
Jan 24 06:55:57 <Herrie> And it will be there
Jan 24 06:56:00 <marmulak> I also have to figure out a way to get a computer system with a loongson processor
Jan 24 06:56:10 <marmulak> ok yeah, I have preware on it
Jan 24 06:56:32 <marmulak> but I was thinking of wiping the tablet to get rid of this android bootloader and stuff
Jan 24 06:57:06 <marmulak> I had fun playing some games on it, but some games won't even run because my device isn't recognized
Jan 24 06:58:12 <Herrie> You can just remove Android altogether, LunaCE is a big improvement really :)
Jan 24 06:58:32 <Herrie> With Enyo 2 there might be some apps that work well on TP too
Jan 24 06:58:43 <Herrie> I'm working on my first Enyo 2 app now actually :)
Jan 24 06:58:50 <Herrie> Dutch public transport app :)
Jan 24 06:58:58 <scoutcamper> ShiftyAxel|Away's memos app works well on touchpad
Jan 24 06:59:13 <marmulak> will those new apps run on my touchpad if I update it?
Jan 24 06:59:49 <marmulak> I can't remember if enyo 2 was something hp released after the tp or if it was included
Jan 24 07:00:15 <scoutcamper> it is generally packaged with the apps
Jan 24 07:00:23 <marmulak> oh ok
Jan 24 07:00:34 <marmulak> isn't that an egregious waste of resources?
Jan 24 07:00:55 <Herrie> Yes and no ;)
Jan 24 07:01:06 <marmulak> :D
Jan 24 07:01:10 <Herrie> It's a lot faster compared to Enyo 1 and it's only about 100kb or so ;)
Jan 24 07:01:16 <Herrie> So nothing too big to be honest
Jan 24 07:01:21 <marmulak> oh ok
Jan 24 07:01:24 <Herrie> It's all minified javascript code ;)
Jan 24 07:01:30 <marmulak> I can sacrifice 100k per app
Jan 24 07:01:36 <Herrie> Runs damn fast on my Veer I must say :)
Jan 24 07:01:50 <Herrie> Enyo 2.0 apps, faster compared to 1.0 apps
Jan 24 07:02:10 <marmulak> they told use using javascript to drive a GUI was a bad idea, and then everyone jumped on that bandwagon
Jan 24 07:02:23 <Herrie> Once I get better understanding of Enyo 2.0 I might actually port the 2.2.4 phone app to Enyo 2.0
Jan 24 07:02:36 <marmulak> if enyo 2 is faster that would be a relief
Jan 24 07:02:39 <Herrie> That's my biggest annoyance at the moment to be honest ;)
Jan 24 07:02:45 <marmulak> because to be honest apps ran kind of slow on the TP
Jan 24 07:02:59 <marmulak> I mean like the stock apps
Jan 24 07:03:15 <Herrie> Yeah but Enyo 2.0 seems to be a tad quicker ;)
Jan 24 07:03:24 <Herrie> http://webos-ports.github.com/org.webosports.app.settings/debug.html
Jan 24 07:03:33 <Herrie> http://webos-ports.github.com/org.webosports.app.memos/debug.html
Jan 24 07:03:53 <Herrie> These should work in TP browser. Will take a little while to load, but are very responsive here ;)
Jan 24 07:05:07 <Herrie> Anyway I'm off to work ;)
Jan 24 07:06:17 <marmulak> have a good day
Jan 24 07:06:24 <Herrie|Work> thnx
Jan 24 07:18:34 <dkirker> Herrie|Work: Yeah. I've put it on hold shortly. Need to look at QtWebKit for open webOS.
Jan 24 07:23:57 <PatrickC> hey there dkirker. long time no see
Jan 24 07:24:13 <dkirker> hi
Jan 24 13:31:57 <JaMa|Off> heh http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/24/nokia-microsoft-payments/
Jan 24 23:18:54 <atc3030> Does/is anyone in here working on a port for the Verizon Samsung Galaxy SIII (Please note, I am not looking for an ETA or request that someone work on it.) I am looking at porting it to the device and don't want to reinvent the wheel if someone is already working on it. Thanks
Jan 24 23:20:20 <scoutcamper> i do not know of anyone currently attempting a port to a Galaxy SIII
Jan 24 23:20:47 <scoutcamper> i am curious, what is your experience level with OE?
Jan 24 23:23:41 <atc3030> None with this platform or anything like it. However, I have extensive experience with the android platform, including helping to port the full ubuntu desktop to several devices as well as bringing CyanogenMod to previously unsupported devices.
Jan 24 23:25:41 <scoutcamper> i have not examined the Galaxy S3 for opensource-ness, what level of opensource drivers exist for it?
Jan 24 23:26:47 <atc3030> as far as going to a different os, I am not aware. I have not had to really deal with finding open source drivers for it.
Jan 24 23:28:11 <scoutcamper> that will be the biggest challenge with a port of openwebos is finding the drivers. i can tell you right now that the CDMA/LTE bits will never work.
Jan 24 23:29:42 <scoutcamper> and the fact that it is a qualcomm processor means that it will be almost 100% impossible to get drivers for the processor...
Jan 24 23:29:49 <atc3030> Oh. I had not thought of that honestly. My porting experience, as far as porting a different os, has been on wifi only devices which have used some variant of the bcm43XX card.
Jan 24 23:33:58 <JaMa> atc3030: do you want to use it as phone? or just port Open webOS just because you (maybe) can?
Jan 24 23:35:13 <atc3030> it would be nice to use it as a phone, however, as I have found in my other endeavors, your functionality as a phone is often lost in the beginning. and honestly, i probably would not run it as a daily driver, more just something to fuel more development
Jan 24 23:35:17 <atc3030> and to learn more
Jan 24 23:37:05 <JaMa> to boot something built with OE, shouldn't be so hard, but to get modem/wifi/GL working properly is A LOT of work
Jan 24 23:37:40 <JaMa> I don't know about anyone working on it already
Jan 24 23:38:33 <JaMa> I can help you with some OE questions, but that's it
Jan 24 23:39:30 <atc3030> ok. i think i am going to get boot2gecko going first, then maybe come back to webos. Either way, once Ubuntu Mobile is released, thats where I will focus my works. ;lol
Jan 25 01:10:14 <bhuey> folks
Jan 25 01:24:01 <EricBlade1> bhuey:
Jan 25 01:25:58 <tjs11thpre> hello!
Jan 25 01:26:17 <tjs11thpre> @ka6sox. i think i am looking for you to promote my wiki
Jan 25 01:26:41 <tjs11thpre> i'm trying to follow the directions to enter a picture for the contest
Jan 25 01:27:23 <ka6sox> tjs11thpre, what is your username?
Jan 25 01:27:34 * scoutcamper will do it
Jan 25 01:27:35 <tjs11thpre> same as here
Jan 25 01:28:35 <tjs11thpre> ok i will try to ask.  thanx
Jan 25 01:28:36 <scoutcamper> promoted
Jan 25 01:28:43 <tjs11thpre> cool
Jan 25 01:28:45 <tjs11thpre> that was easy
Jan 25 01:30:03 <tjs11thpre> wow. i did it!  now i will try to upload a picture.  thanks
Jan 25 02:48:40 <tjs11thpre> @scoutcamper: hi
Jan 25 02:48:58 <scoutcamper> yes?
Jan 25 02:49:07 <tjs11thpre> i tried to follow the instructions for submitting for the wallpaper contest; but my page does not appear like others
Jan 25 02:49:30 <tjs11thpre> will someone advise if my entries are incorrect?
Jan 25 02:50:04 <tjs11thpre> i've never wiki'd anything and this is my 2nd time irc'ing. so i'm not so good with this
Jan 25 02:50:08 <scoutcamper> you did not follow the instructions
Jan 25 02:50:16 <scoutcamper> http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/WallpaperContest
Jan 25 02:50:23 <scoutcamper> it says "edit this page"
Jan 25 02:50:43 <tjs11thpre> i did click edit
Jan 25 02:51:01 <scoutcamper> then add the line to the bottom of the page
Jan 25 02:51:07 <tjs11thpre> and i copied in the text, then sub'd in my username, and my title, and my name
Jan 25 02:51:14 <tjs11thpre> in the summary bar?
Jan 25 02:51:24 <scoutcamper> no
Jan 25 02:51:28 <scoutcamper> not the summary bar
Jan 25 02:52:01 <tjs11thpre> in the box above the summary bar.  that's where i put it
Jan 25 02:52:10 <scoutcamper> yes
Jan 25 02:52:20 <scoutcamper> and click save when you are done
Jan 25 02:52:38 <tjs11thpre> it says to save the file as username.extension
Jan 25 02:52:52 <tjs11thpre> but that would make two entries have the same name.  is it one entry per?
Jan 25 02:53:11 <tjs11thpre> i added a (2) to be able to upload it
Jan 25 02:53:38 <tjs11thpre> that makes the files my username, instead of the title as others have theirs
Jan 25 02:54:18 <scoutcamper> add the files one edit at a time, and in the line you are pasting file:username, change that to File:username(2)
Jan 25 02:55:14 <tjs11thpre> that is what i did
Jan 25 02:55:34 <tjs11thpre> it took them both once i added the (2)
Jan 25 02:55:40 <scoutcamper> save the page
Jan 25 02:55:47 <tjs11thpre> did
Jan 25 02:55:58 <scoutcamper> no you did not
Jan 25 02:56:07 <tjs11thpre> uh oh
Jan 25 02:56:09 <tjs11thpre> i'll check
Jan 25 02:56:28 <scoutcamper> you edited file pages, NOT the wallpaper contest page
Jan 25 02:57:01 <tjs11thpre> oh
Jan 25 02:57:09 <tjs11thpre> yeah, that's the part i must be doing wrong
Jan 25 02:57:16 <tjs11thpre> it's not associating to the contest
Jan 25 02:57:26 <tjs11thpre> i have to edit the wallpaper contest page itself?
Jan 25 02:57:27 <scoutcamper> edit the contest page
Jan 25 02:57:29 <tjs11thpre> aha
Jan 25 02:57:30 <scoutcamper> yes
Jan 25 02:57:42 <tjs11thpre> i'll try that.  thanx!
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