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Feb 18 03:03:00 <bhuey> folks
Feb 18 03:52:05 <ka6sox> bhuey
Feb 18 04:58:51 <kesne> Welp
Feb 18 04:58:55 <kesne> This sucks.
Feb 18 04:59:10 <kesne> Every time I try to build webOS for the nexus 7, my computer crashes.
Feb 18 05:05:17 <scoutcamper> overheating?
Feb 18 05:07:20 <kesne> No idea
Feb 18 05:07:26 <kesne> It just dies.
Feb 18 05:07:43 <kesne> It's pretty old and breaking down, so I didn't expect much.
Feb 18 05:23:40 <scoutcamper> what specs
Feb 18 05:30:24 <scoutcamper> kesne, you know we have builds for N7 avaliable, yes?
Feb 18 05:30:38 <kesne> scoutcamper: Where at? I did not know that.
Feb 18 05:31:36 <scoutcamper> kesne, http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports/images/grouper/
Feb 18 05:32:36 <kesne> scoutcamper: So just download the latest ext4 image
Feb 18 05:33:07 <scoutcamper> you need the ext2 not the ext4
Feb 18 05:33:09 <scoutcamper> http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing_Nexus_7
Feb 18 05:33:17 <kesne> That's what I meant.
Feb 18 05:33:18 <kesne> :P
Feb 18 05:33:20 <kesne> But yeah.
Feb 18 05:34:00 <scoutcamper> yeah, download the ext2 and the fastboot
Feb 18 05:35:12 <kesne> Is there any advantage to building myself?
Feb 18 05:41:15 <ka6sox> no
Feb 18 05:41:41 <scoutcamper> only if you are doing custom mods to luna
Feb 18 06:58:48 <kesne> I'm getting errors on install
Feb 18 06:58:51 <kesne> can anybody help?
Feb 18 07:00:33 <bhuey> folks
Feb 18 07:00:34 <bhuey> hey ka6sox
Feb 18 07:32:46 <kesne> I can't get it to boot
Feb 18 07:32:47 <kesne> :(
Feb 18 09:10:00 <z72ka> Hi all, first of all thanks for support the openwebOS, for this team. Second,  I'm working on owos port for A10 devices, http://linux-sunxi.org/Icoo-d70gt, at this time i finished the kernel hardware support for my device. I have OpenGL ES 2.0 working with Mali-400 drivers. So.. it supports only one framebuffer, is there anybody, who can give me some info how to combine it with Luna needs for two framebuffers? I don't know Luna well... or is it wasting of ti
Feb 18 17:07:22 <cryp> will webos work on a lenovo twist ?
Feb 18 17:07:31 <cryp> do you need anymore info about my system ?
Feb 18 17:08:42 <ka6sox> cryp, what is a lenovo twist?
Feb 18 17:09:02 <cryp> its a laptop that can change
Feb 18 17:09:08 <cryp> from laptop to tablet to other modes
Feb 18 17:09:53 <ka6sox> there is a desktop build for ubuntu that might be useful for you.
Feb 18 17:11:15 <cryp> ka6sox http://tabletcommunity.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Lenovo-Twist-modus.jpg
Feb 18 17:11:17 <cryp> kinda nice
Feb 18 17:11:32 <cryp> ka6sox you got a link ?
Feb 18 17:11:59 <cryp> i miss webos .. i feel kinda crappy getting read of my palm pre plus
Feb 18 17:12:06 <cryp> well im not on att anymore so it would have been useless
Feb 18 17:14:51 <ka6sox> https://github.com/openwebos/build-desktop
Feb 18 17:15:27 <cryp> ka6sox its not the full os
Feb 18 17:15:36 <cryp> or is it like a emulator i will be running in ubuntu ?
Feb 18 17:16:03 <ka6sox> its not the full OE
Feb 18 17:16:15 <ka6sox> its designed to run on top of an Ubuntu rootfs
Feb 18 17:16:59 <ka6sox> for the full OE version you would have to modify the Slate Series 7 build to suit your machine
Feb 18 17:17:45 <cryp> are there how tos on how to do this ?
Feb 18 17:19:37 <ka6sox> I thought there were for the series7 but I guess the porter didn't get done with them yet
Feb 18 17:30:22 <ka6sox> I know folks have had good success with the desktop build
Feb 18 18:23:04 <pc-world> ShiftyAxel: Could you add a license file to org.webosports.app.calculator?
Feb 18 18:31:16 <halfhalo> crypticmofo: you want to know how to build an image which theoretically will boot on the twist?
Feb 18 18:33:51 <ShiftyAxel> pc-world: yeah, it can be done
Feb 18 18:34:06 <ShiftyAxel> ka6sox: we're apache2, right?
Feb 18 18:34:42 <pc-world> I added a parser library to the calculator, because String#replace and eval doesn't seem to be a very good way
Feb 18 18:35:01 <halfhalo> crypticmofo: https://github.com/halfhalo/rock-layers/blob/master/bootstrap.sh is the script I use to setup the builds for it. Just cd into build-webos and make webos-image after that script and it will be off and building
Feb 18 18:35:55 <halfhalo> crypticmofo: Or grab the webos-image-slate.iso from here and give it a whirl: http://images.silentbluesystems.com/  The Twist and the Slate are similar enough that it should work
Feb 18 18:36:58 <ShiftyAxel> pc-world: excellent, thank you :)
Feb 18 18:37:53 <ShiftyAxel> we'll need to have a look-over of the library to make sure it's nice and minimal and all that stuff, but the consensus seems to be eval=evil around these parts
Feb 18 18:38:06 <halfhalo> damn straight
Feb 18 18:39:38 <ShiftyAxel> mainly because of halfhalo :p
Feb 18 18:40:10 <pc-world> ShiftyAxel: I'd consider that as minimal: https://github.com/silentmatt/js-expression-eval/blob/master/parser.js
Feb 18 18:40:50 <halfhalo> that library is fine from the looks of it
Feb 18 18:41:12 <pc-world> seems ln() isn't yet implemented though, but that should be easy
Feb 18 18:43:41 <ShiftyAxel> looks good to me also
Feb 18 18:43:56 <ShiftyAxel> anyone else you think should weigh in on the subject, half halo?
Feb 18 18:44:01 <ShiftyAxel> *halfhalo
Feb 18 18:44:51 <halfhalo> depends, is anyone else working on the calc app?
Feb 18 18:46:27 <ShiftyAxel> scoutcamper has a commit, other than that no
Feb 18 18:48:47 <pc-world> JavaScript's Math.log seems to be ln but not log10
Feb 18 18:54:46 <ka6sox> ShiftyAxel, apps can be Apache2 or MIT
Feb 18 18:54:56 <ka6sox> to go upstream they are taking Apache2 only
Feb 18 18:55:15 <ShiftyAxel> do we have a preference?
Feb 18 19:21:02 <pc-world> does anyone disagree that log() should be log10 and not ln?
Feb 18 19:32:47 <Tofe> Morning
Feb 18 19:34:18 <Tofe> I've almost succeeded to get a 3.1.10 kernel to work on my tablet
Feb 18 19:34:43 <Tofe> (because I think it could solve my instability problems)
Feb 18 19:34:59 <Tofe> but, hum, well, it's still a bit unstable :p
Feb 18 19:36:02 <Tofe> still, it boots, LSM displays something on the screen... and then it all goes black.
Feb 18 20:00:25 <kesne> You guys were talking about ln and log?
Feb 18 20:00:40 <kesne> Personally I think log should be ln, but that's just me.
Feb 18 20:08:43 <ka6sox> Log is usually Log10() and Ln() is natural log
Feb 18 20:13:05 <pc-world> okay then I'll label it log10 just to avoid confusion
Feb 18 20:15:23 <kesne> In my math class we just call it log, but that just might be unusual.
Feb 18 20:16:03 <kesne> Also, I keep having weird issues running webos on the nexus 7.
Feb 18 20:16:42 <kesne> I try to run the fastboot file and the screen just goes black for maybe 15-30 seconds and then it restarts.
Feb 18 20:35:32 <morphis> kesne: ping
Feb 18 20:35:43 <kesne> Hey morphis
Feb 18 20:36:16 <morphis> kesne: some time to talk?
Feb 18 20:36:45 <kesne> I can talk for about 12 minutes now, then 10 minutes after that, I can talk for a while.
Feb 18 20:37:54 <pc-world> ShiftyAxel: let me know when you updated the license to that I can fork the repo
Feb 18 20:41:21 <morphis> kesne: ok, did you look at the phone app?
Feb 18 20:41:47 <kesne> morphis: Didn't have time to, no.
Feb 18 20:42:16 <morphis> kesne: from the feature perspective I need a SIM PIN dialog when a decent service signal comes in
Feb 18 20:42:36 <kesne> Wouldn't that just be UI?
Feb 18 20:42:44 <morphis> yes
Feb 18 20:43:06 <morphis> afaik the PIN dialog window needs to be a pin window type
Feb 18 20:43:47 <morphis> kesne: problem with all this is that the phone app is a boot-time & nowindow app
Feb 18 20:43:56 <morphis> which has some consequences on the window management
Feb 18 20:44:16 <morphis> e.g. it takes some important effect on which windows are allowed to create when
Feb 18 20:44:36 <kesne> So you can't create the pin window?
Feb 18 21:15:55 <morphis> kesne: I didn't tried
Feb 18 21:16:01 <morphis> thats what I am asking you to do
Feb 18 21:16:04 <kesne> Okay
Feb 18 21:16:07 <morphis> and find out
Feb 18 21:16:16 <kesne> Well I can't get my nexus 7 booting
Feb 18 21:17:09 <morphis> hm
Feb 18 21:20:25 <kesne> I try running the flashboot, but it just goes to a black screen and then boots into android
Feb 18 21:36:55 <kesne> Any ideas?
Feb 18 21:51:44 <ShiftyAxel> kesne: did you self-build?
Feb 18 21:52:08 <ShiftyAxel> sounds like the fastboot is wrong somehow
Feb 18 21:52:53 <kesne> I didn't self-build.
Feb 18 21:57:21 <ShiftyAxel> using webos-dev-image.ext2 + zImage-<device name>.fastboot?
Feb 18 21:57:48 <kesne> Yep
Feb 18 21:58:03 <kesne> I'll just redo to make sure.
Feb 18 21:58:27 <ShiftyAxel> alrighty
Feb 18 21:59:43 <kesne> What version of Node is in openwebOS?
Feb 18 22:00:13 <ka6sox> OLD
Feb 18 22:00:19 <kesne> :(
Feb 18 22:00:35 <kesne> They should update that. And support NPM and package.json while they're at it.
Feb 18 22:00:41 <kesne> That would be sexy as hell.
Feb 18 22:01:49 <ka6sox> don't hold your breath...they need to maintain compatibility..and one thing that webbie things do poorly is maintain compatibility.
Feb 18 22:01:51 <ShiftyAxel> 0.4.12 if the git is anything to go by
Feb 18 22:02:07 <kesne> That's so old...
Feb 18 22:05:19 <ShiftyAxel> what's the current?
Feb 18 22:05:29 <kesne> 0.8.20
Feb 18 22:05:36 <ShiftyAxel> blimey
Feb 18 22:05:53 <kesne> Exactly. A lot has changed. Especially with modules.
Feb 18 22:07:12 <kesne> It just would be nice to have proper package.json support with npm.
Feb 18 22:08:38 <kesne> I just love node, though.
Feb 18 22:18:56 <jlai> updated nodejs is supposedly coming http://blog.openwebosproject.org/post/41985215722/january-edition
Feb 18 22:24:01 <ka6sox> good thing "in the coming days" isn't 3-weeks...
Feb 18 22:24:25 <kesne> Heh
Feb 18 22:24:48 <kesne> Welp, I got it to boot up, but now it's just sitting on the lock screen
Feb 18 22:27:33 <kesne> Okay, rebooting got it working, except when I press the power button it freezes.
Feb 18 22:50:56 <jlai> As for npm, I think the node fork server needs to set NODE_MODULES to the service directory (or cwd to the service directory) so it can find the modules
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