**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 22 02:59:58 2013 Feb 22 07:18:19 Hey all Feb 22 11:07:26 folks Feb 22 11:07:32 Hey Feb 22 11:08:21 whatz up ? Feb 22 11:09:39 Trying to scale out a mongodb instance. Feb 22 11:09:42 It's not fun Feb 22 15:44:20 morning Feb 22 18:13:33 hey guys Feb 22 18:14:15 i'm having a theory about the rendering issue that i'm wondering if someone who is versed in it might be able to tell me if i'm retarded, or if it's a good idea and maybe could try it Feb 22 18:15:01 particularly trying it out because it's not something that really shows up in desktop builds, and a device build is something that will take me probably a day to put together Feb 22 18:16:43 EricBlade: what kind of rendering issue? Feb 22 18:18:55 morphis: the issue where apps render like crap on devices Feb 22 18:19:26 EricBlade: as in non-accellerated? Feb 22 18:19:33 ShiftyAxel: yes Feb 22 18:20:12 i have a theory that ripping out the code in webappmanager that renders to card view may cause a significant difference there Feb 22 18:22:16 hmm Feb 22 18:22:23 so don't render until maximized? Feb 22 18:22:35 also boy howdy, 13kb/s bandwidth here at SCaLE Feb 22 18:28:00 so, i have this theory that in addition to rendering not being quite as good as it should be, that there is some serious additional work going in to providing live cards that is causing quite a problem Feb 22 19:25:44 EricBlade: I don't think that live cards are the problem, though they're probably exacerbating it due to the increased amount of non-accellerated draw calls Feb 22 20:48:00 Hello, has anyone tried to port webOS to SonyEricsson Xperia X10i phone? (long shot I know) Feb 22 20:48:19 Highly doubtful. Feb 22 20:48:43 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Main_Page Feb 22 20:48:43 is it technically possible? Feb 22 20:49:02 that's a can of worms Feb 22 20:49:03 um Feb 22 20:49:06 yes? no? who knows. Feb 22 20:49:23 depends on the hardware Feb 22 20:49:38 are there standard linux 3.5 kernel modules available for the hardware? if not, then it's not likely possible. Feb 22 20:49:45 well, it's an android phone with an arm v7 cpu Feb 22 20:49:57 doesn't mean a whole lot, unfortunately. Feb 22 20:50:01 ah Feb 22 20:50:14 android != open source Feb 22 20:50:21 well, I'm running gingerbread on it now, not sure what kernel it is Feb 22 20:51:01 custom android garbage Feb 22 20:51:04 i'd start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_Xperia_X10#Hardware Feb 22 20:51:06 yes, i realize it's a) not a popular phone b) specific hardware c) old for a smartphone :) Feb 22 20:51:40 if you can figure out the SOC and other chips, you can look to see if there are open source implementations of the drivers. Feb 22 20:52:28 it's a bit too advanced for me at moment Feb 22 20:52:52 it -probably- isn't possible, and almost definitely won't happen Feb 22 20:52:55 can find out all the chips that are there, not sure about other parts (GPS, camera, etc..) Feb 22 20:53:09 well, that's why i came here to ask Feb 22 20:53:13 yeah. Feb 22 20:53:25 i think the porting efforts have been focused at the nexus line of devices Feb 22 20:53:34 the galaxy nexus and the nexus 7 Feb 22 20:53:54 even still, once it's running perfectly, there's the problem of apps Feb 22 20:54:01 there's no OWO native phone app, yet Feb 22 20:54:17 so, even if you got it working on your phone, your phone wouldn't be able to send/rec'v calls :p Feb 22 20:54:25 and, i'm guessing, sms Feb 22 20:54:53 one can dream...what about other newer phones? all i see on the site are galaxy/nexus phones. are there any newer or planned phones which support webos? Feb 22 20:55:07 as you say... Feb 22 20:55:15 that's pretty much the worst question one could ask, aside from "is it ready yet?" Feb 22 20:55:49 i think the current efforts are being pushed toward software. get all the apps up and running with enyo2 Feb 22 20:55:53 sorry, noob here. i do like webos, shame about the hardware of the palm pres Feb 22 20:55:58 and fill in the missing holes Feb 22 20:56:10 that's what i've been reading about - envoy Feb 22 20:56:22 once all the software is in place, then they can start worrying about porting it to other hardware Feb 22 20:56:24 sorry enyo Feb 22 20:56:50 enyo is quite powerful and fairly easy to learn Feb 22 20:56:51 fair enough, i wasn't sure at what stage the os is at Feb 22 20:57:22 well, since there's only a handful of guys working on it.. Feb 22 20:57:23 i've seen some examples, looks great and not too difficult. Feb 22 20:57:51 do you use webos for your everyday phone? Feb 22 20:58:03 the HP/stable version i mean Feb 22 20:58:04 not at the moment. Feb 22 20:58:09 what do you use? Feb 22 20:58:16 a nexus 4 Feb 22 20:58:37 i'm one of those bleeding edge types. i generally get a new phone every 6mo-1yr Feb 22 20:58:40 haven't used one, i do like the galaxy 3 Feb 22 20:58:48 hated the GS3 Feb 22 20:59:01 i've had mine for a while now, and I still like it Feb 22 20:59:48 my hope is that the nexus 4 is the next porting target Feb 22 20:59:50 even still.. Feb 22 20:59:53 no software means it's not useful. Feb 22 21:00:00 i wouldn't get one myself either, although i'm very impressed with the sony xperias, had one for work Z i think it was with ICS, bit buggy and had an annoying email quirk Feb 22 21:00:11 very true Feb 22 21:00:45 well, let's say if i did want to get into the project, what would i need to know, where would I start? Feb 22 21:00:55 so, if you want to see it ported to more targets, the best thing to do is help get the software up to spec. once that's no longer a concern, more efforts will be put toward porting. Feb 22 21:01:33 ka6sox, fxspec06_, rwhitby, and ShiftyAxel are all really good people to ask that question. Feb 22 21:01:35 i would hence i asked the previous question :) Feb 22 21:01:56 how do you contribute to webos? Feb 22 21:02:07 what's your speciality? Feb 22 21:02:23 i nit pick the living shit out of everything. Feb 22 21:02:30 tester? Feb 22 21:02:30 "that pixel is wrong." Feb 22 21:02:33 yeah. Feb 22 21:02:48 i've gained a bit of a reputation for calling everything ugly. :\ Feb 22 21:02:49 cool...how do you test, in an emulator?> Feb 22 21:02:54 lol Feb 22 21:02:55 on device. Feb 22 21:03:06 sorry to say, but you've got the easiest job :P Feb 22 21:03:11 i've got a nexus 4, galaxy nexus, and nexus 7 Feb 22 21:03:16 well, yeah. Feb 22 21:03:22 but the truth is, i don't know c/c++ Feb 22 21:03:30 so i'm pretty useless when it comes to fixing this stuff Feb 22 21:03:34 linux things? i'm good there. Feb 22 21:03:38 kernel stuff? not so much. Feb 22 21:03:47 UI stuff? it's all c/c++ Feb 22 21:03:51 so, i do what i can to help. Feb 22 21:03:56 i want it to be perfect, ya know? Feb 22 21:04:07 well, i've got very limited experience in all...i suppose just knowing a bit of linux might help Feb 22 21:04:20 you should install gentoo in a vm. Feb 22 21:04:27 i maintain that is the best way to learn linux. Feb 22 21:04:50 i know what you mean, nothing wrong with having qood quality Feb 22 21:05:03 well, it sure irritates people ;) Feb 22 21:05:19 i've just seen way too many UIs in my time that are CLEARLY designed by programmers Feb 22 21:05:27 i'm on debian, it's enough for me. i've only go so much time :) i tried arch once, but gave up Feb 22 21:05:40 i've got a background in graphic design, UI/UX, and photography… i know visual stuff. Feb 22 21:06:16 well funny enough i've just spent 3 days at a workshop of a product where a UI guy wasn't consulted, you can imagine the result Feb 22 21:06:25 i bet it was awful. Feb 22 21:06:55 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml Feb 22 21:07:03 cluttered, tried to be 'apple simple' whatever that means. failed on all fronts Feb 22 21:07:07 that'll get you started. choose your arch and format, and follow along Feb 22 21:07:49 tbh, i don't think i'll go for it. i can see you like it, but i just don't have enough hours in the day Feb 22 21:08:25 if i didn't have a kid & wife, i'd be into this a lot more :) Feb 22 21:09:40 a looong time ago, i was a slackware man, but that was at uni Feb 22 21:09:51 well, i don't mean USE gentoo Feb 22 21:10:00 but if your aim is to learn linux, there's no better way than to INSTALL Gentoo Feb 22 21:10:05 because it will take you for quite a ride. Feb 22 21:10:20 worse than arch linux? Feb 22 21:10:38 hahaha. Feb 22 21:10:39 yes. Feb 22 21:11:41 oh good lord...well, if it would mean understanding it better then i might try it. would take weeks probably Feb 22 21:13:10 as a UI man, you should be into enyo and all that CSS stuff Feb 22 21:13:36 enyo isn't so bad. i've started a few things in it. Feb 22 21:13:48 CSS isn't bad. i wrote hanskokx.com from scratch in vim. Feb 22 21:14:44 having a look at it now...kudos to you for using vim! hard core Feb 22 21:15:28 impressive Feb 22 21:15:38 took a while i bet Feb 22 21:15:53 it did, yeah. Feb 22 21:18:21 there's still a lot i want to do with it Feb 22 21:18:24 i just haven't had time Feb 22 21:18:34 been working 6 days/wk, school 2 days, plus i'm a single parent Feb 22 21:31:09 hey HaDAk, how do you like the nexus 4? Feb 22 21:31:40 it's really solid hardware. fastest phone i've ever touched. scored consistently >5000 on quadrant. Feb 22 21:32:06 do you have the induction charger? Feb 22 21:32:39 in fact, i do Feb 22 21:32:42 i just got it the other day. Feb 22 21:32:45 and i have grand plans for it Feb 22 21:32:56 how's it compare to the touchstone? Feb 22 21:33:21 well, how's the preX + touchstone vs nexus 4 plus thingamajig Feb 22 21:33:43 it basically IS a touchstone. Feb 22 21:33:48 http://localhostr.com/files/SJGOT8r/Coffee%20table%20design.png Feb 22 21:33:53 you can see it integrated into my new project ;) Feb 22 21:33:58 but there are no magnets right? Feb 22 21:34:04 wow Feb 22 21:34:07 that looks nice Feb 22 21:34:14 no magnets, but it has rubber grips Feb 22 21:34:19 i like the magnets better, personally. Feb 22 21:34:40 does it have the gecko feet sticky thing on the under side like the touchstone? Feb 22 21:35:15 pft. i wish. just a little rubber ring. Feb 22 21:35:23 touchstone was clearly better designed. Feb 22 21:35:23 awww Feb 22 21:35:31 i'd be using THAT if it was Qi compatible Feb 22 21:35:40 if only Feb 22 21:36:22 it was REALLY hard to find a good Qi charger to integrate into this table. I would have preferred using the touchstone :\ Feb 22 21:36:24 I have this itch to upgrade, but induction charging keeps me with my pre 2 Feb 22 21:36:26 * HaDAk shakes his fist Feb 22 21:36:33 get a pre3 instead? :D Feb 22 21:36:36 unless you're on vzq Feb 22 21:36:36 haha Feb 22 21:36:37 sorry, had to disappear for a while, seems like you've got a lot on your plate Feb 22 21:36:40 vzw Feb 22 21:36:41 att Feb 22 21:36:42 I CAN TYPE FUCK Feb 22 21:36:50 qqpprr: i do. Feb 22 21:36:57 Darakians: EricBlade has a Pre3 Feb 22 21:37:00 i got to touch it Feb 22 21:37:09 is it nice? Feb 22 21:37:19 nicer than the 2? Feb 22 21:37:40 now i have no idea what you're all talking about - it's english, but i can't understand much Feb 22 21:37:43 much more solid build, imo Feb 22 21:37:46 I have a Pre3. It's wonderful. Feb 22 21:37:54 hmmmm Feb 22 21:37:55 what's that table with the screen? Feb 22 21:38:08 pre 2 to pre3 seems like a small upgrade for the price though Feb 22 21:38:15 and my 2 is still kicking along fine Feb 22 21:38:17 qqpprr: my current project. just ordered the touch panel today. Feb 22 21:38:27 how big is it? Feb 22 21:38:32 the tv is 40" Feb 22 21:39:09 nice Feb 22 21:39:19 it's a samsung LED Feb 22 21:39:23 connected via mirracast? Feb 22 21:39:33 negative. Feb 22 21:39:47 it's powered by an ODROID-X2 Feb 22 21:40:16 oh Feb 22 21:40:21 http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135235611947 Feb 22 21:40:26 i want webos on it Feb 22 21:40:27 so separate system completely then Feb 22 21:40:32 but that's a pipe dream, i guess Feb 22 21:40:36 yeah, separate system Feb 22 21:40:57 open webos keeps on ticking Feb 22 21:41:27 i might be able to get it running. Feb 22 21:41:37 but i honestly know nothing of booting embedded systems. Feb 22 21:42:00 you could always stick a nexus 7 inside and run video out to the panel Feb 22 21:42:09 might require some odd converters Feb 22 21:42:31 until the battery dies XD Feb 22 21:42:37 besides. i like my N7 where it is. Feb 22 21:42:40 I see you have power in there Feb 22 21:42:40 not under a table :P Feb 22 21:42:44 yes, i do Feb 22 21:42:50 just run a power cable :D Feb 22 21:42:52 and the inside of the drawer will have usb charging for controllers Feb 22 21:43:39 this thing has been hella expensive Feb 22 21:43:49 i'm estimating the final build cost in the $2000 range Feb 22 21:43:53 should be awesome... eventually :p Feb 22 21:43:56 wow Feb 22 21:44:12 i ordered the panel today. it should be here in ~2 weeks. i added a week lead time because i got it waterproofed. Feb 22 21:44:21 o_O Feb 22 21:44:28 it's a coffee table! Feb 22 21:44:31 oh Feb 22 21:44:38 a touch coffee table? Feb 22 21:44:41 … yes. Feb 22 21:44:46 ... Feb 22 21:44:48 why? Feb 22 21:44:54 i have an XBMC htpc Feb 22 21:44:59 instead of using a clunky remote, Feb 22 21:45:07 i want to be able to scroll through my library on the table Feb 22 21:45:10 I see the idea, I would go a completly different way with it though Feb 22 21:45:20 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.leetzone.android.yatsewidgetfree&hl=en Feb 22 21:45:27 using that software. Feb 22 21:45:34 very cool Feb 22 21:45:36 i'm also going to have virtual pinball, catan, monopoly... Feb 22 21:45:42 but why not glass top with no touch? Feb 22 21:45:49 ahhhh Feb 22 21:45:51 how would i interact with it? Feb 22 21:45:52 now I see why Feb 22 21:45:59 phone, controllers, etc Feb 22 21:46:08 meh. why do it at all then? Feb 22 21:46:17 why not just use the remote control i've been using? Feb 22 21:46:23 it doesn't ADD anything if you can't touch it. Feb 22 21:46:25 idunno Feb 22 21:46:29 for the lulz? Feb 22 21:46:34 haha Feb 22 21:46:36 fair enough Feb 22 21:46:42 post some pics when it's done Feb 22 21:46:45 of course. Feb 22 21:46:55 i'm just trying to decide what kind of wood i want to go with. Feb 22 21:46:56 hey, you don't code in enyuo do you? Feb 22 21:46:58 i'm thinking…oak Feb 22 21:46:59 enyo* Feb 22 21:47:05 eh. not particularly well. Feb 22 21:47:08 and not in a little while Feb 22 21:47:11 why, what's up Feb 22 21:47:36 I'm trying to implement the webview container Feb 22 21:48:03 and I'm not 100% on the syntax Feb 22 21:48:13 you'd probably want to hit up #enyojs Feb 22 21:48:20 THEY are experts. i am...nobody. Feb 22 21:48:22 gotcha, will do Feb 22 21:48:25 i just make cool shit. Feb 22 21:50:28 ok, i'm going to go afk for a while. things to do. Feb 22 21:56:19 ok guys, what'd i miss here? Feb 22 21:57:41 Darakians: I think arthurthornton already ported the Enyo 1 WebView to Enyo 2 Feb 22 21:58:35 Darakians: https://github.com/ArthurThornton/enyo1-to-enyo2-kinds Feb 22 22:09:18 thanks sugardave, but I'm 100% new to enyo Feb 22 22:09:23 going at this fresh :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 23 02:59:58 2013