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Feb 25 07:58:39 <EricBlade> hey anyone who's worked with the nexus phone port ... any idea how the process to get the image to device is when using VirtualBox ?
Feb 25 07:58:48 <EricBlade> ie, i built the image in a VirtualBox, and need to get it to device now
Feb 25 08:18:09 <morphis> EricBlade: you need usb access at first
Feb 25 08:18:37 <EricBlade> yup, just got that figured out, should be smooth from here
Feb 25 08:18:43 <morphis> ok
Feb 25 08:18:52 <morphis> then verify that fastboot and adb works
Feb 25 08:18:58 <EricBlade> i mean JUST figured it out :D right as you said that
Feb 25 08:19:06 <morphis> :)
Feb 25 08:30:01 <EricBlade> maybe not so smooth. it shouldn't take upwards of forever to adb push the image should it?
Feb 25 08:30:18 <EricBlade> like 10+ minutes?
Feb 25 08:31:16 <EricBlade> looks like that's what it's doing. i can adb shell to the device and see the file getting slowly larger and larger
Feb 25 08:31:35 <EricBlade> this. will. be. painful.
Feb 25 08:32:31 <morphis> EricBlade: you're pushing the ext2 image?
Feb 25 08:32:45 <EricBlade> morphis: yes. this usb connection is ass slow
Feb 25 08:32:49 <morphis> yes
Feb 25 08:32:53 <morphis> takes a lot time
Feb 25 08:33:23 <morphis> EricBlade: you can take a look at this: https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-ports-installer
Feb 25 08:33:41 <morphis> it just needs to push the .tar.gz image
Feb 25 08:40:06 <EricBlade> this is really really slow compared to what i recall from being connected directly to machine instead of via virtualbox.  grr.  it might've been faster for me to ethernet it to the laptop and go from there.
Feb 25 08:40:29 <EricBlade> this is going to really suck for trying a patch
Feb 25 08:47:37 <EricBlade> ok what is this rndis thing that the build custom packages page is talking about
Feb 25 08:50:11 <EricBlade> grr once i'm in fastboot, i can't get virtualbox to see it
Feb 25 08:50:49 <EricBlade> aha, there it go
Feb 25 08:57:36 <EricBlade> wow, ok, this looks a little different from what i remember 2 months ago :D
Feb 25 08:58:06 <EricBlade> and.. apps don't launch
Feb 25 09:00:44 <EricBlade> and i just gouged the case quite nastily trying to pop the battery heh
Feb 25 09:07:37 <EricBlade> ok, second boot everything comes up. yay.
Feb 25 09:07:54 <EricBlade> oh.. it must've not been running webappmanager
Feb 25 09:10:26 <morphis> EricBlade: what kind of patch are you testing?
Feb 25 09:11:34 <EricBlade> whoa, the screen is active even when the display is off
Feb 25 09:12:03 <EricBlade> morphis: i'm going to try out a thing in webappmgr
Feb 25 09:13:39 <morphis> EricBlade: might be a bug in the ledcontroller nyx module
Feb 25 09:16:49 <Stskeeps> http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/25/4027018/lg-buys-webos-smart-tv
Feb 25 09:18:35 <morphis> Stskeeps: is that an offical announcement?
Feb 25 09:18:45 <Stskeeps> i don't know, trying to find more, but i wouldn't be surprised
Feb 25 09:19:11 <Stskeeps> http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57570990-78/webos-lives-lg-to-resurrect-it-for-smart-tvs/
Feb 25 09:20:52 <morphis> Stskeeps: it's offical, at least from LG side
Feb 25 09:20:57 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Feb 25 09:21:00 <morphis> "said Skott Ahn, president and chief technology officer of LG Electronics Inc. "
Feb 25 09:22:50 <morphis> interesting move
Feb 25 09:23:17 <Stskeeps> yeah.. not sure if it's good for webos on phones though
Feb 25 09:24:00 <Stskeeps> the LG guys in korea are quite friendly though
Feb 25 09:25:10 <brandongoeszoom> I would assume that they'll close of webOS again...but I guess we just have to wait to find out.
Feb 25 09:25:17 <brandongoeszoom> off*
Feb 25 09:25:37 <EricBlade> .... wow.
Feb 25 09:29:23 <EricBlade> please allow me to reiterate that, along with an expletive.  ...fking wow.
Feb 25 09:29:35 <bhuey> holy shit
Feb 25 09:29:54 <dkirker> :)
Feb 25 09:29:56 <bhuey> Stskeeps: just saw that, read it twice
Feb 25 09:30:09 <bhuey> It's basically dead IMO
Feb 25 09:30:24 <bhuey> What a sad sad chapter of Palm
Feb 25 09:31:34 <bhuey> fuck
Feb 25 09:33:09 <EricBlade> I'm reading all these twitters and news stories, and i'm kind of freaking out a little bit, and kind of really happy
Feb 25 09:33:25 <bhuey> why ?
Feb 25 09:33:39 <bhuey> They're not going to make phones or tablets with it
Feb 25 09:34:37 <bhuey> I think they did it for patents actually
Feb 25 09:35:18 <dkirker> what kind of patents?
Feb 25 09:35:35 <bhuey> Palm's patent portfolio
Feb 25 09:35:40 <dkirker> which ones?
Feb 25 09:35:47 <EricBlade> freaking out because y'know, i'm working in that building, and i'm supposed to show up Tuesday morning ... happy because it may mean a much better lifetime for this system that i've put so much into
Feb 25 09:35:47 <dkirker> Palm's patents are mostly for mobile devices.
Feb 25 09:35:48 <bhuey> looks like all of them
Feb 25 09:36:07 <bhuey> EricBlade: you work at Palm/HP ?
Feb 25 09:36:17 <dkirker> I am sure some are of value. I doubt that was the only reason.
Feb 25 09:36:45 <EricBlade> bhuey: i've been threre for a little while now, hadn't really made an announcement though
Feb 25 09:37:24 <bhuey> EricBlade: how long ?
Feb 25 09:37:39 <bhuey> I use to work there and was very bitter about the entire thing for a while
Feb 25 09:38:04 <EricBlade> bhuey: since september
Feb 25 09:38:18 <bhuey> That's not that long
Feb 25 09:38:33 <dkirker> bhuey: when were you there?
Feb 25 09:38:46 <EricBlade> no, it's not. but i've put a lot into it, since discovering webos
Feb 25 09:40:28 <bhuey> dkirker: just before the killing of webOS at HP
Feb 25 09:40:36 <bhuey> Was let go about a year ago
Feb 25 09:40:40 <dkirker> hmmm, which department?
Feb 25 09:40:45 <bhuey> kernel
Feb 25 09:40:49 <dkirker> ah
Feb 25 09:41:14 <dkirker> I was working as a contractor in WebKit, and then moved into dev rel during the Leopocolypse...
Feb 25 09:41:28 <dkirker> but, I don't think that your name is ringing a bell :/
Feb 25 09:41:37 <bhuey> I use to go to you area all of the time to talk to Mark Lam
Feb 25 09:41:43 <bhuey> I know a bunch of your webkit folks
Feb 25 09:42:09 <dkirker> hmmmm
Feb 25 09:42:14 <bhuey> and would talk about performance issues with the kernel, scheduling and instrumentation =
Feb 25 09:42:21 <dkirker> I'd bet I would recognize your face
Feb 25 09:42:39 <bhuey> asian, long beard, rather loud at all hands meetings
Feb 25 09:42:45 <bhuey> long hair
Feb 25 09:42:48 <bhuey> metalhead
Feb 25 09:42:50 <dkirker> lol oh I think I have met you!
Feb 25 09:42:58 <dkirker> yes, I think I met you at a meetup
Feb 25 09:43:01 <bhuey> black tee shirt, shorts, sandals
Feb 25 09:43:06 <bhuey> really fucking pissed off
Feb 25 09:43:13 <bhuey> that's my description
Feb 25 09:43:17 <dkirker> bhuey: weren't we all?
Feb 25 09:43:19 <dkirker> lol
Feb 25 09:43:20 <EricBlade> bhuey: \m/ O \m/
Feb 25 09:43:30 <bhuey> yeah the HP chapter is so sad
Feb 25 09:43:48 <bhuey> They killed the engineering group there a year ago and terminated the senior staff that was remaining
Feb 25 09:44:32 <bhuey> Nearly everybody else went to other companies rather quickly, Apple, Google, etc...
Feb 25 09:44:44 <bhuey> and now Lab126 after TI's implosion
Feb 25 09:48:15 <bhuey> I expect more layoffs once LG has gotten the group
Feb 25 09:48:58 <bhuey> You have no senior staff in your kernel group anymore that can do anything
Feb 25 09:49:06 <bhuey> They either left or were cut
Feb 25 09:49:12 <EricBlade> I can understand your frustration there. I remember when you first said you were let go, I felt really badly for you, it sounded like you'd really put your heart into it.
Feb 25 09:49:41 <bhuey> Being laidoff is no biggie
Feb 25 09:49:44 <bhuey> I'll get get another job
Feb 25 09:49:55 <bhuey> It's that Palm was killed that really pissed me off
Feb 25 09:50:02 <bhuey> I hope that HP goes to hell
Feb 25 09:51:09 <bhuey> Termination of the senior staff bounded HP's hands even though they were hoping it would take off eventually in the open source world.
Feb 25 09:51:26 <bhuey> But killing off all of the open source people that you had with experience wasn't going to help it
Feb 25 09:51:39 <bhuey> Multiple multiple failures
Feb 25 09:51:50 <bhuey> Many of them were self-inflicted by Palm itlsef
Feb 25 09:51:53 <bhuey> itself
Feb 25 09:53:06 <kesne> Hey all
Feb 25 09:53:06 <bhuey> That Verge article about a year ago was fair about what happened
Feb 25 09:54:56 <kesne> Well I walked right into a conversation. My condolences, bhuey.
Feb 25 09:55:28 <bhuey> uh, yeah, hard news to swallow
Feb 25 09:55:58 <kesne> I can imagine.
Feb 25 09:56:06 <kesne> I think it's hard for all of us.
Feb 25 09:56:08 <dkirker> kesne: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57570990-78/webos-lives-lg-to-resurrect-it-for-smart-tvs/
Feb 25 09:56:28 <dkirker> alright, I need to be in bed... got work in a few hours. :/
Feb 25 09:56:30 <kesne> I saw the news, I don't see how it could be good.
Feb 25 09:56:49 <dkirker> ah, right... you are a few hours ahead of me...
Feb 25 09:57:16 <dkirker> It means there is at least corporate interest. I am willing to bet this ends up on phones, too.
Feb 25 09:57:26 <bhuey> dkirker: no, don't believe it
Feb 25 09:57:31 <dkirker> at some point
Feb 25 09:57:34 <bhuey> no
Feb 25 09:57:37 <EricBlade> well, i feel badly for all the people who put their heart into this before me, but ever since the day of the fire sale, has been one hell of an amazing ride for me, and I hope that this news will make something better.  If not, I'm not averse to finding my next amazing ride.
Feb 25 09:57:52 <dkirker> EricBlade: good plan. :)
Feb 25 09:58:09 <dkirker> bhuey: I'll believe anything when I see it.
Feb 25 09:58:20 <dkirker> In the mean time, there is source code that I can play with.
Feb 25 09:58:54 <kesne> dkirker: It could mean that, or it could mean another company taking over and ruining it. Until I see something leaning in the direction you're betting I'm not very inclined to think very highly of this.
Feb 25 09:59:14 <bhuey> Have your fun, yes. Future ? I don't want to doom folks here but this has got to be made clear that nobody is going to invest in webOS for phones or tablets anymore.
Feb 25 09:59:15 <dkirker> kesne: well, yeah. the possibilities are endless.
Feb 25 09:59:25 <bhuey> It's basically done
Feb 25 09:59:40 <bhuey> kesne: you're correct
Feb 25 09:59:48 <EricBlade> hmm. it might be bad that my original gnexus port WebAppMgr is 270kilobytes, and my recompiled one is 71 megabytes.
Feb 25 10:00:17 <kesne> EricBlade: I'm not great at Math, but I think there's a problem there...
Feb 25 10:00:20 <morphis> EricBlade: debugging symbols
Feb 25 10:00:32 <EricBlade> morphis: that's a -lot- of debug symbols :D
Feb 25 10:00:38 <morphis> yes :)
Feb 25 10:02:06 <iMarck90> Guys do you have seen the big news?
Feb 25 10:02:14 <panda-z> the article from cnet has been removed. lol
Feb 25 10:04:04 <iMarck90> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57570990-78/webos-lives-lg-to-resurrect-it-for-smart-tvs/
Feb 25 10:04:34 <iMarck90> "LG also gets HP licenses for use with its WebOS products, and patents HP obtained from Palm" "Good news for Palm users: LG said it would continue to support them."
Feb 25 10:05:25 <EricBlade> what is up with the bottom area of the gnex port that doesn't redraw itself
Feb 25 10:06:09 <morphis> EricBlade: you mean the geture area?
Feb 25 10:06:40 <EricBlade> morphis: area right above the gesture area
Feb 25 10:07:00 <morphis> ShiftyAxel|Away should know
Feb 25 10:13:01 <bhuey> Looks like somebody at CNET might have fucked up the article and that's why it was retracted
Feb 25 10:14:17 <iMarck90> I think LG can make also a tablet with webOS
Feb 25 10:15:36 <iMarck90> Now need only to waiting news and a blog post from Open webOS project.
Feb 25 10:30:08 <EricBlade> well.. i haven't located the right section of code to go all nuclear on yet .. so i'm going to bed. see you all soon
Feb 25 10:30:32 <bhuey> EricBlade: night, let's hope for clarification of what's going on tomorrow
Feb 25 10:30:51 <bhuey> Hopefully that sale didn't happen
Feb 25 10:35:37 <iMarck90> Sorry bhuey, can i ask why?
Feb 25 10:52:40 <bhuey> I'm only speculatin
Feb 25 10:52:43 <bhuey> speculating
Feb 25 10:52:46 <bhuey> My words mean nothing
Feb 25 10:56:09 <iMarck90> Ah ok
Feb 25 11:34:20 <bhuey> fg
Feb 25 11:34:22 <bhuey> bah
Feb 25 13:00:12 <bhuey> http://www.businessinsider.com/hang-oncnet-just-pulled-this-mornings-big-news-about-hewlett-packard-and-lg-2013-2
Feb 25 13:05:39 <bhuey> apparently it's still true but we'll see later on today about it
Feb 25 13:46:49 <LarrySteeze|Away> I'm seeing conflicting reports around the web about what is actually going down.
Feb 25 16:41:28 <thansen> I'm unclear if the gnex port works with the verizon phone?
Feb 25 16:50:36 <HaDAk> i'm holding a verizon gnex. i can confirm that it works….except the cell radio
Feb 25 16:54:50 <thansen> HaDAk: that's where I was headed next...so cell radio means no phone calls?
Feb 25 16:54:58 <thansen> or no 3/4g?
Feb 25 16:55:12 <HaDAk> well, no phone calls in OWO anyway. no phone app.
Feb 25 16:55:17 <HaDAk> but no mobile data.
Feb 25 16:55:20 <HaDAk> it's wifi-only
Feb 25 16:55:31 <HaDAk> because there is NO open source driver for cdma...period.
Feb 25 16:56:01 <thansen> ok thanks
Feb 25 17:52:41 <EricBlade> morning peeps
Feb 25 18:23:33 <EricBlade> ls
Feb 25 18:23:36 <EricBlade> oops
Feb 25 18:59:37 <Tofe> EricBlade: download/ tmp-work/ work/ AlmostDone.txt NeverDone.txt ToDo.txt WTF.txt
Feb 25 19:00:00 <JaMa> Tofe: wc -l *txt
Feb 25 19:00:10 <Tofe> 1
Feb 25 19:00:42 <Tofe> ToDo.txt: 1: fill up the todo list
Feb 25 19:00:48 <JaMa> Tofe: fix your wc :)
Feb 25 19:01:19 <JaMa> Tofe: echo "fix wc" > ToDo.txt
Feb 25 19:01:34 <Tofe> :)
Feb 25 19:01:35 <JaMa> Tofe: echo "wc returnig weird output" > WTF.txt
Feb 25 19:01:59 <JaMa> should be >> I guess
Feb 25 19:02:23 <Tofe> Impossible to say, as wc output was weird
Feb 25 19:02:46 <EricBlade> har har
Feb 25 19:03:10 <JaMa> hare hare?
Feb 25 19:03:15 <Tofe> Still, I would do quite bad as an OS
Feb 25 19:04:19 <EricBlade> yueah the response time is terrible
Feb 25 19:05:03 <Tofe> The memory access is a bit slow today
Feb 25 19:11:24 <Herrie> Morning
Feb 25 19:11:40 <Herrie> Where does OWO store the VirtualBox image? Or how to create it?
Feb 25 20:39:52 <EricBlade> Herrie: while i've heard that virtualbox does work, i haven't actually tried it anywhere.  images should be in the BUILD-arch/deploy/images dir
Feb 25 20:45:48 <Darakians> so anyone seen this? http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57570990-94/webos-lives-lg-to-resurrect-it-for-smart-tvs/
Feb 25 20:47:28 <EricBlade> Darakians: old news by now, welcome to internet time. ;)
Feb 25 20:48:01 <Darakians>  I live on hawaiian time. Things are new for months after they're new ;p
Feb 25 20:48:16 <EricBlade> oh, yeah, that would've happened while you were still asleep most likely then
Feb 25 20:48:19 <Darakians> but, what are the implications for open webos?
Feb 25 20:48:55 <EricBlade> According to the most recent note on the won forum, LG will take over Open
Feb 25 20:49:14 <Darakians> huh
Feb 25 20:49:16 <Darakians> ok
Feb 25 20:49:33 <Darakians> so wait and see at this point
Feb 25 20:50:13 <EricBlade> it is pretty much a wait and see, at this point, i'd say.  not much is known about LG and open source, other than that they do pretty well with their contributions to android
Feb 25 20:50:55 <Darakians> well, cool I guess
Feb 25 20:51:06 <Darakians> I hope there's still a focus on phones
Feb 25 20:51:55 <EricBlade> frankly, any of the three scenarios that i can immediately imagine seem like they could be possible -- things could continue on like they are now, "slow but moving", open could stagnate, or they could go open with the whole thing
Feb 25 20:52:05 <Darakians> what about enyo? Are they taking that too?
Feb 25 20:52:40 <EricBlade> i haven't seen a specific statement about the ownership of enyo, but won post does say that LG will be "steward" of Enyo (and Open)
Feb 25 20:53:37 <EricBlade> I imagine it will all become clearer soon. Or more confusing, but more defined
Feb 25 20:54:16 <Darakians> lol
Feb 25 20:56:34 <Herrie> @EricBlade->Must be hectic monday
Feb 25 20:56:43 <Herrie> Doing clean build of OWO now, will check when done
Feb 25 20:57:36 <EricBlade> yeah that's always fun.  even more fun when you have another 800 packages on top of it to build :-S
Feb 25 20:58:26 <EricBlade> Herrie: it was certainly an interesting moment for me when the news broke this morning, but i'm ok now
Feb 25 20:59:54 <Darakians> are you a paid dev?
Feb 25 21:01:23 <EricBlade> i've been on contract for webos since september
Feb 25 21:01:46 <Darakians> so you work for LG now I guess
Feb 25 21:01:53 <Darakians> grats... or something
Feb 25 21:02:10 <EricBlade> and with that said, i have absolutely no further information than what's come out in the news, not that i could say anything if i did
Feb 25 21:02:50 <Darakians> ya ya
Feb 25 21:02:59 <Darakians> not trying to pry :p
Feb 25 21:03:18 <Darakians> I hear korea is nice this time of year though
Feb 25 21:03:31 <JaMa> :)
Feb 25 21:06:16 <EricBlade> that, I don't know.  I could go for a trip out that way. I do have some other business contacts that I'd like to get in touch with that way as well
Feb 25 21:06:18 <linuxjacques> I think it's rather cold this time of year
Feb 25 21:11:24 <Darakians> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lg-electronics-acquires-webos-from-hp-to-enhance-smart-tv-193071841.html
Feb 25 21:11:47 <Darakians> LG will add the Sunnyvale and San Francisco sites to its global R&D locations....
Feb 25 21:11:56 <Darakians> no trip to korea\
Feb 25 21:16:21 <EricBlade> That's how I read it, other people have interpreted that to mean that the people and assets will go to the LG building around San Jose, though
Feb 25 21:16:37 <EricBlade> or not even the assets, just the people and the code
Feb 25 21:18:11 <Darakians> mmm, well let us know what happens
Feb 25 21:36:51 <EricBlade> "I really beat my older sister in typing class" .. the kids are definitely nerds.
Feb 25 21:45:17 <EricBlade> i hope my stepmom doesn't pick up on this recent news development, or i'm going to get an angry phone call in the near future about how the asians are buying the entire country
Feb 25 21:49:22 <EricBlade> how the heck does one ssh session get completely frozen while another one to the same machine stays working .. weird
Feb 25 21:51:29 <kesne> EricBlade: I've had that happen to me on EC2.
Feb 25 21:57:34 <rwhitby> joh-eun achim
Feb 25 22:01:03 <EricBlade> rwhitby: ?
Feb 25 22:02:31 <rwhitby> (Korean for "Good Morning", according to Google)
Feb 25 22:53:01 <EricBlade> which one of you guys is in the slashdot thread on this topic defending webos :)
Feb 25 22:53:55 <linuxjacques> throwing pearls before swine?
Feb 26 00:10:49 <fxspec06_> =O
Feb 26 00:11:00 <fxspec06_> did i read the news correctly?
Feb 26 00:11:37 <scoutcamper> yeah :/
Feb 26 00:12:12 <fxspec06_> woooooooooooooooow
Feb 26 00:12:34 <scoutcamper> havent decided if this is good or bad
Feb 26 00:12:49 <fxspec06_> hasn't it got to be bad?
Feb 26 00:12:58 <scoutcamper> not necessarily
Feb 26 00:13:16 <scoutcamper> if they do some good hardware mabe not
Feb 26 00:13:33 <fxspec06_> are they going to do anything with it though
Feb 26 00:14:04 <scoutcamper> no idea
Feb 26 00:14:25 <scoutcamper> but N4 build quality with OWO is an awesome thought
Feb 26 00:14:35 <ShiftyAxel> I do like the N4 hardware
Feb 26 00:14:39 <ShiftyAxel> very premium
Feb 26 00:25:39 <sugardave> I see….Enyo apps….on TVs….millions of couch potatoes….ripe for the picking
Feb 26 00:29:04 <fxspec06_> so sugardave this means you are moving i take it?
Feb 26 00:29:38 <fxspec06_> are you going to be in or around boston any time soon?
Feb 26 00:30:06 <sugardave> I am staying right where I am…remote employment has its privileges
Feb 26 00:30:15 <fxspec06_> sweet
Feb 26 00:30:28 <sugardave> not sure what our travel sessions will be like, I'm sure there will be some adjustment time
Feb 26 00:31:02 <sugardave> well, I AM moving at some point into a new house to leave the ghetto-lite behind
Feb 26 00:31:11 <sugardave> but that was before I found out about this adventure
Feb 26 00:31:15 <fxspec06_> awesome!
Feb 26 00:31:53 <fxspec06_> moving up in the world
Feb 26 00:32:45 <fxspec06_> at least that could help distract you
Feb 26 00:58:49 <EricBlade> so.. umm.. yeah, it turns out the idea that having a functional card view is what's making the apps lag like hell is more of a possibility
Feb 26 02:37:13 <Roy__> Anything interesting happening today?
Feb 26 02:37:32 <scoutcamper> nothing you dont know about :P
Feb 26 02:38:56 <ShiftyAxel> nobody here but us chickens
Feb 26 02:39:20 <LarrySteeze|zzzz> and me. I'm a post-it note.
Feb 26 02:39:51 <LarrySteeze|zzzz> but I'm not really here. Adios and good night!
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