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Mar 11 03:05:15 <scoutcamper> hey JayCanuck
Mar 11 03:48:47 <ka6sox> hiya guys
Mar 11 03:48:53 <ka6sox> sorry been in a SCaLE meeting
Mar 11 04:04:21 <ka6sox> ~sleep ShiftyAxel
Mar 11 04:05:09 * ShiftyAxel crashed through several walls into bed
Mar 11 06:44:04 <bhuey> folks
Mar 11 06:45:02 <destinal> bhuey!
Mar 11 06:54:32 <bhuey> ka6sox: how was scale ?
Mar 11 07:22:42 <ka6sox> Tiring
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Mar 11 22:54:20 <LarrySteeze> morning all
Mar 11 23:21:13 * HaDAk has a confused look on his face
Mar 11 23:21:20 <HaDAk> why did OWO broadcast this?
Mar 11 23:21:20 <HaDAk> Broadcast Message from root@tuna
Mar 11 23:21:20 <HaDAk>         (somewhere) at 11:16 ...
Mar 11 23:22:04 <scoutcamper> lol
Mar 11 23:22:19 <scoutcamper> there are alot of strange error messages like thst
Mar 11 23:22:24 <HaDAk> so weird
Mar 11 23:22:27 <HaDAk> it keeps dying, too
Mar 11 23:22:30 <scoutcamper> with no ryme or reason to them
Mar 11 23:22:48 <HaDAk> like, i left it plugged in to my laptop for a few hours, and it quit responding to ssh, ping, and the screen wouldn't turn on
Mar 11 23:23:23 <dkirker> HaDAk: Ghost in the machine? Who ya gonna call?
Mar 11 23:23:30 <dkirker> GHOST BUSTERS!!!!
Mar 11 23:23:34 <dkirker> sorry... :3
Mar 11 23:23:36 <HaDAk> or something, yeah
Mar 11 23:23:55 <HaDAk> is ShiftyAxel the only one working on this?
Mar 11 23:24:29 <scoutcamper> "this"=the whole project? not even close.
Mar 11 23:24:36 <HaDAk> i mean, ui stuff
Mar 11 23:24:42 <HaDAk> little bits being broken here and there
Mar 11 23:24:48 <scoutcamper> for the most part
Mar 11 23:24:57 <HaDAk> like the really fked up thing at the bottom when it's in portrait
Mar 11 23:24:58 <HaDAk> http://cl.ly/image/0h2C2X0Y2S2J
Mar 11 23:25:13 <HaDAk> it's got like… a double rounded corners thing going on
Mar 11 23:25:29 <scoutcamper> thats a lockscreen glitch
Mar 11 23:25:44 <HaDAk> how come i've never seen it without it?
Mar 11 23:26:13 <dkirker> I hadn't seen it until I think about a build from a couple of weeks ago.
Mar 11 23:26:32 <scoutcamper> it appears to be fixed in the latest build
Mar 11 23:26:37 <dkirker> my recommendation is to file bugs for this kinda stuff. The software isn't even alpha. Shit will look like... well... shit.
Mar 11 23:26:51 <HaDAk> fair enough.
Mar 11 23:27:04 <HaDAk> i just don't know what people know about and what they don't.
Mar 11 23:27:20 <dkirker> I expect to be helping ShiftyAxel|Away round out the rough edges a little later in the process.
Mar 11 23:27:28 <HaDAk> i'm still trying to convince him to use my modified gesture area pngs. i think they're much nicer looking.
Mar 11 23:27:29 <dkirker> HaDAk: That is what a bug ticket system exists for. :)
Mar 11 23:27:37 <HaDAk> dkirker: only works if everything is bugged.
Mar 11 23:27:43 <dkirker> ?
Mar 11 23:28:03 <HaDAk> well, if you see something and it's like "oh, i'll fix that in a second, but i know about it so i won't write a bug on it"
Mar 11 23:28:18 <dkirker> that is just poor PM attitude
Mar 11 23:28:23 <dkirker> if you see it, write a bug.
Mar 11 23:28:30 <HaDAk> right
Mar 11 23:28:31 <dkirker> If it is fixed in 2 minutes, close the bug.
Mar 11 23:28:34 <HaDAk> :)
Mar 11 23:28:43 <dkirker> that way, if it crops up again... there is reference.
Mar 11 23:29:05 <HaDAk> what's the status of wifi?
Mar 11 23:29:13 <HaDAk> on the vzw gnex
Mar 11 23:29:56 <scoutcamper> it works fine on my vzw gnex
Mar 11 23:29:57 <dkirker> wrt the gesture area: The stance is that what there is now will be the default. I suggested to ShiftyAxel|Away that we look into making that something skinable. It isn't a priority at the moment.
Mar 11 23:30:28 <dkirker> What I would recommend is create a pull request for that particular change. Write a ticket about making the gesture area skinable, and include the pull request in it.
Mar 11 23:31:39 <HaDAk> if we were going to make THAT skinnable, why not include full ui skinning?
Mar 11 23:33:25 <dkirker> Well... I am not sure what exactly is involved with the gesture area. Full UI skinning would be pretty nice. So, my recommendation still stands: Create a feature request ticket. Attach a pull request as a reference.
Mar 11 23:34:20 <dkirker> We're working on a UI that will be the de facto standard. Customization is a great thing. It will allow people that don't want to use the "standard" to use their own thing.
Mar 11 23:36:46 <HaDAk> i agree. i just think the "de facto standard" shouldn't look like a programmer designed it. ;)
Mar 11 23:37:48 <dkirker> HaDAk: It is being worked on. :)
Mar 11 23:37:58 <HaDAk> hey, this doesn't look right.
Mar 11 23:37:58 <HaDAk> "temperature_C":300,
Mar 11 23:38:06 <HaDAk> XD
Mar 11 23:38:11 <dkirker> WRT to the core-navi. Pretty sure that is identical to the Pre3. :)
Mar 11 23:38:26 <dkirker> HaDAk: Yo, you left your phone on the sun. Better take care of it!
Mar 11 23:38:26 <HaDAk> WRT?
Mar 11 23:38:34 <dkirker> With Regard To
Mar 11 23:38:36 <HaDAk> oh
Mar 11 23:38:53 * dkirker is at work and trying to cram OWO and work stuff in one "thread"
Mar 11 23:39:16 <HaDAk> NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING SIMILAR. http://www.ixbt.com/mobile/hp-pre-3/hp-pre-3-gesture.jpg
Mar 11 23:39:20 <HaDAk> sorry, caps
Mar 11 23:39:24 <HaDAk> unintentional yelling ftw.
Mar 11 23:40:28 <HaDAk> i don't necessarily disagree with the bar vs dots idea
Mar 11 23:40:34 <HaDAk> but the dots looks more like http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2009/06/01/334904732440DT4.jpg
Mar 11 23:40:47 <HaDAk> i could throw something together for the bar paradigm
Mar 11 23:41:06 <HaDAk> i could even keep the same style, since it's just applied to a shape
Mar 11 23:44:26 <dkirker> Like I said, create a ticket, attach a pull request. I can already think of a good way to make LSM skinable, that implements with little risk.
Mar 11 23:46:02 <LarrySteeze> dkirker: frames? :P
Mar 11 23:46:13 <dkirker> FWIW, I don't know of anyone sitting in this channel right now who is a graphic designer (unless someone presents me with a portfolio), so, as far as I am concerned, everything looks like a programmer designed it. ;)
Mar 11 23:46:18 <dkirker> LarrySteeze: nah. Tables!!!!
Mar 11 23:46:18 <LarrySteeze> let's go with 90s style frames
Mar 11 23:46:27 <dkirker> With 5px frames!
Mar 11 23:46:39 <LarrySteeze> 10, preferrably
Mar 11 23:47:52 <HaDAk> dkirker: i'm a graphic designer :P
Mar 11 23:47:52 <dkirker> eeek! too much!
Mar 11 23:48:04 <dkirker> Protfolio?
Mar 11 23:48:21 <HaDAk> nothing i can release, officially, unfortunately.
Mar 11 23:48:31 <HaDAk> it's mostly internal stuff done on contract
Mar 11 23:48:41 <HaDAk> but. you know. for real moneys.
Mar 11 23:49:00 <HaDAk> i'm a photographer with a keen eye for these things, if it helps? www.hanskokx.com
Mar 11 23:49:01 <LarrySteeze> HaDAk: You must have something from before this contract. Otherwise they would have no reason to hire you.
Mar 11 23:49:36 <HaDAk> O_O
Mar 11 23:49:42 <HaDAk> my d key just kept repeating.
Mar 11 23:49:44 <HaDAk> that was neat.
Mar 11 23:50:00 <HaDAk> anyway. i was saying, i have certificates, certifications, and experience.
Mar 11 23:51:29 <HaDAk> but hey. the proof is in the puddin'.
Mar 11 23:51:37 <HaDAk> like my stuff? awesome. if not? doesn't hurt my feelings.
Mar 11 23:51:57 <dkirker> Well, like I said, create a pull request if you haven't done so. Create a ticket noting that you would like to see the nav bar changed or skinable, and reference the pull request.
Mar 11 23:52:02 <HaDAk> of course i wouldn't be making things that i deem improvements if i thought they weren't as nice looking.
Mar 11 23:52:27 <HaDAk> i didn't say skinnable. you did. i don't wanna touch the code. i just want to offer my nice PNGs and PSD
Mar 11 23:52:59 <dkirker> That is why you are attaching YOUR pull request. :) I'm just presenting you with possibilities.
Mar 11 23:53:39 <HaDAk> how do i create a pull for two specific files?
Mar 11 23:53:41 <dkirker> But, I can promise you that this probably won't get much attention for a few months, given that we have much larger fish to fry.
Mar 11 23:54:05 <HaDAk> well, nobody seems to have set a path for other things to work on, so i'm just trying to help where i can.
Mar 11 23:54:14 <HaDAk> i don't mind digging in and adjusting pixels here and there to tidy up the ui.
Mar 11 23:54:27 <HaDAk> hell, i don't mind taking a look at the nitty gritty stuff, like wifi not working
Mar 11 23:54:49 <dkirker> On github, if you create a branch in your repo that contains the webos-ports/luna-sysmgr files, make your changes and commit them to your branch, and then on the github page go view your branch (it should only have one commit), there is a "Pull Request" button.
Mar 11 23:55:22 <HaDAk> right, but if my repo isn't up to date, isn't it going to try to pull-revert?
Mar 11 23:55:27 <scoutcamper> HaDAk, in the latest build wifi *is* working
Mar 11 23:55:41 <HaDAk> hum. i pulled this build last night. when did the "latest" go up?
Mar 11 23:56:02 <dkirker> HaDAk: That's why you branch the latest code in your repo, and apply the changes there.
Mar 11 23:56:04 <scoutcamper> a few hours ago
Mar 11 23:56:16 <HaDAk> oh. it looks like i can't get at it, because build.webos-ports.org is locked down.
Mar 11 23:56:27 <dkirker> so, instead of working in origin/master, you are working in origin/round-corenavi
Mar 11 23:56:53 <scoutcamper> HaDAk, it is not locked down, http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports/images/tuna/webos-ports-dev-image-tuna.ext2
Mar 11 23:57:08 <HaDAk> http://build.webos-ports.org/
Mar 11 23:57:17 <HaDAk> if i click openwebos-ports, it prompts for credentials
Mar 11 23:57:21 <scoutcamper> yes
Mar 11 23:57:23 <HaDAk> that hotlink worked
Mar 11 23:57:35 <dkirker> use the webos-ports dir
Mar 11 23:57:37 <scoutcamper> these images are not under openwebos-ports, they are under webos-ports
Mar 11 23:57:41 <HaDAk> oh.
Mar 11 23:57:41 <dkirker> openwebos-ports is like 4 months stale
Mar 11 23:57:42 <HaDAk> ok.
Mar 11 23:57:53 <HaDAk> hur. timestamps.
Mar 11 23:58:01 <HaDAk> got it.
Mar 11 23:58:02 <HaDAk> :)
Mar 12 00:06:13 <HaDAk> i don't see corenavi. do i have the wrong branch? https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-systemui/tree/webOS-ports/master/images
Mar 12 00:07:27 <HaDAk> oh, nevermind.
Mar 12 00:07:35 <HaDAk> i'm just going to hide this window, otherwise i'll keep talking.
Mar 12 00:16:56 * dkirker thinks HaDAk is talking to the ghosts in his phone :o
Mar 12 00:16:57 <HaDAk> that was neat. flashed the latest image. turned on wifi, and the screen flicked off.
Mar 12 00:17:26 <HaDAk> and the screen *keeps* flicking on and off
Mar 12 00:17:35 <scoutcamper> sounds like LSM segfaults
Mar 12 00:17:40 <scoutcamper> those happen
Mar 12 00:17:43 <HaDAk> is that logged anywhere?
Mar 12 00:17:47 <HaDAk> do we have core dumps?
Mar 12 00:18:27 <scoutcamper> /var/log/messages
Mar 12 00:18:59 <HaDAk> i'm watching it.
Mar 12 00:19:06 <dkirker> Is RDXD running on the system? I haven't actually looked...
Mar 12 00:19:14 <HaDAk> dunno
Mar 12 00:19:20 <HaDAk> what's RDXD?
Mar 12 00:19:27 <dkirker> if /var/log/rdxd/ is there
Mar 12 00:19:35 <dkirker> it is responsible for handling minicores
Mar 12 00:19:43 <HaDAk> neg
Mar 12 00:19:51 <dkirker> actually, rdxd does not need to be present for the kernel to create minicores
Mar 12 00:19:52 <HaDAk> root@tuna:/var/volatile/log# ls
Mar 12 00:19:52 <HaDAk> lunasysmgr.log  messages        messages.0      novacomd.log    wtmp
Mar 12 00:21:55 <HaDAk> the little issue on the bottom of the screen that i was complaining about is fixed.
Mar 12 00:21:57 <HaDAk> huzzah.
Mar 12 00:22:06 <HaDAk> having a pseudo-first run is nice too
Mar 12 00:28:20 <destinal> dkirker: rdxd is telemetry to the mothership, yeah?
Mar 12 00:28:47 <destinal> ships debug information back to palm  /  hp
Mar 12 00:28:55 <scoutcamper> yes
Mar 12 00:29:26 <dkirker> destinal: yeah
Mar 12 00:29:50 <dkirker> it also has a large component to grab crash debug info, and wrap it up
Mar 12 00:30:14 <dkirker> so, if you get a core dump, it grabs dmesg, messages, lunasysmgr.log, and some other info.
Mar 12 00:30:26 <dkirker> plops it in /var/log/rdxd/pending/
Mar 12 00:31:15 <dkirker> heh, I actually picked it apart to learn how it worked to use on our product here at work!
Mar 12 00:35:37 <destinal> dkirker: I still think there's lots of stuff worth analyzing and reverse engineering about original webos (that sadly never got released as part of CE)
Mar 12 00:36:22 <dkirker> destinal: no doubt!
Mar 12 00:36:27 <dkirker> I've been looking at a lot.
Mar 12 00:36:43 <dkirker> I've considered building mojodb using the OWO code and putting it on a Pre3.
Mar 12 00:36:56 <dkirker> I believe that there are some db issues on the Pre3, that bug the system down.
Mar 12 00:37:13 <destinal> I'm glad that the webos LSM and so on got released but it's kind of sad that so much of it (that was planned to be released) wasn't
Mar 12 00:37:19 <dkirker> I'm still trying to understand why it has a load avg of 8 from a fresh out of the box system, while the Pre2 is 0.2...
Mar 12 00:37:48 <dkirker> yeah, I don't know what parts will be released, if any.
Mar 12 00:38:35 <dkirker> at the very least, I'd like to see interface stuff. Anything that provides a service.
Mar 12 00:38:49 <dkirker> or at least a list of services (which exist somewhere, I think?).
Mar 12 00:38:55 <HaDAk> well, that's a problem.
Mar 12 00:38:55 <HaDAk> root@tuna:~# stop LunaSysMgr
Mar 12 00:38:55 <HaDAk> stop: Job not changed: LunaSysMgr
Mar 12 00:38:55 <HaDAk> root@tuna:~# start LunaSysMgr
Mar 12 00:38:55 <HaDAk> LunaSysMgr (start) waiting
Mar 12 00:38:55 <HaDAk> LunaSysMgr (start) starting
Mar 12 00:38:55 <HaDAk> LunaSysMgr (start) pre-start, process 1350
Mar 12 00:38:56 <HaDAk> LunaSysMgr (stop) pre-start
Mar 12 00:38:56 <HaDAk> LunaSysMgr (stop) stopping
Mar 12 00:38:57 <HaDAk> LunaSysMgr (stop) killed
Mar 12 00:38:57 <HaDAk> LunaSysMgr (stop) post-stop
Mar 12 00:38:58 <HaDAk> LunaSysMgr (stop) waiting
Mar 12 00:39:11 <dkirker> it is crashing
Mar 12 00:39:19 <HaDAk> yep
Mar 12 00:39:56 <destinal> HaDAk: when I was debugging issues with lunasysmgr I would stop the service and then run the binary by hand
Mar 12 00:40:08 <destinal> you get lots of useful info on stderr
Mar 12 00:40:25 <destinal> (maybe too much) :)
Mar 12 00:40:43 <dkirker> you can just cat it to a file or grep the output :)
Mar 12 00:40:46 <HaDAk> ** (LunaSysMgr:1363): CRITICAL **: Unable to open Sensor : [virtual nyx_error_t NYXConnectorBase::openSensor() : 104] : [NYX Sensor Type = 2]
Mar 12 00:40:50 <HaDAk> ** (LunaSysMgr:1363): CRITICAL **: Unable to open the requested sensor type : [static NYXConnectorBase* NYXConnectorBase::getSensor(NYXConnectorBase::Sensor, NYXConnectorObserver*, bool) : 486] : [SensorType = 2]
Mar 12 00:40:55 <HaDAk> but
Mar 12 00:40:56 <HaDAk> it starts
Mar 12 00:41:45 <HaDAk> weird
Mar 12 00:42:35 <HaDAk> what the hell.
Mar 12 00:42:38 <HaDAk> now it doesn't again
Mar 12 00:43:01 <HaDAk> and a core dump
Mar 12 00:43:50 <HaDAk> but i dunno where it dumped to. any ideas?
Mar 12 00:47:04 <dkirker> probably the same directory as the binary.
Mar 12 00:47:16 <dkirker> Unless /etc/sysconfig.conf says otherwise.
Mar 12 00:47:40 <HaDAk> i didn't see it in /usr/bin
Mar 12 00:50:22 <HaDAk> hum. there is no sysconfig.conf.
Mar 12 00:52:06 <destinal> HaDAk: what about ulimit ?
Mar 12 00:52:29 <HaDAk> it's locked at the moment
Mar 12 00:53:02 <destinal> if for some reason it defaults to coresize of 0 then it won't write them
Mar 12 00:53:21 <bhuey> folks
Mar 12 00:53:35 <bhuey> ShiftyAxel|Away: congratulations
Mar 12 00:54:10 <destinal> HaDAk: ulimit -c unlimited      #  may help there
Mar 12 00:54:46 <HaDAk> alright. trying that, then starting luna manually.
Mar 12 00:55:11 <HaDAk> it's just hung at this though
Mar 12 00:55:11 <HaDAk> ** (process:1366): WARNING **: Settings::load(): 6 application paths defined:
Mar 12 01:01:39 <HaDAk> i'm not getting anywhere with it. i'm going to reimage.
Mar 12 01:10:20 <HaDAk> i feel like everything was developed specifically for landscape.
Mar 12 02:23:20 <HaDAk> Are instructions available for building -only- LunaSysMgr?
Mar 12 02:30:33 <scoutcamper> yes
Mar 12 02:30:49 <scoutcamper> http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Build_Custom_LunaSysMgr_for_OWO
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