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Jun 10 05:02:15 <morphis> morning
Jun 10 05:40:35 <Ziginox> glad to see that WebOS has so many people working on it o.o
Jun 10 05:50:28 <morphis> Ziginox: :)
Jun 10 05:50:49 <Ziginox> at least HP did one thing right after they killed it
Jun 10 06:26:46 <TannerCook100> Hi?
Jun 10 07:58:14 <Tofe> morning
Jun 10 07:58:48 <Ziginox> o/
Jun 10 08:08:55 <Tofe> morphis: wow, there was also a fragile static_cast to ANativeWindow in qwebosglcontext... I'll handle that.
Jun 10 08:11:53 <Ziginox> say, anyone here a Palm user from old times? oO
Jun 10 08:14:08 <stbuehler> old as in PalmOS old?
Jun 10 08:17:39 <morphis> Tofe: fragile in which way?
Jun 10 08:19:15 <Tofe> well, maybe I'm getting a bit paranoid with these cast of ANative* these days
Jun 10 08:20:02 <Tofe> A cast to ANativeWindow is actually ok, as it is the base class
Jun 10 08:22:52 <Tofe> morphis: also I'll try to "fix" the includes, to have only first-level includes. For example, if we look at the includes of qwebosglcontext, we don't see hybris anywhere, though it's obviously needed for the cast
Jun 10 08:24:40 <Ziginox> stbuehler: yes
Jun 10 08:27:04 <morphis> Tofe: ok
Jun 10 09:19:51 <Ziginox> stbuehler: specifically I'm curious if any developers for Palm OS are hanging around here
Jun 10 09:29:30 <bhuey> folks
Jun 10 12:57:28 <ainol-tablet-use> Hello, I never used Webos before. I'd like to try it on my Tablet Device. How would I do this?
Jun 10 12:57:47 <HaDAk> depends on what tablet you've got
Jun 10 12:58:11 <HaDAk> bear in mind that it's alpha-quality for anything other than the touch pad, due to such a huge rewrite of the codebase
Jun 10 12:58:35 <HaDAk> i'd start here though http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing_Nexus_7
Jun 10 12:58:41 <HaDAk> hopefully you've got a nexus 7 :)
Jun 10 12:59:03 <ainol-tablet-use> HaDAk: i've got an amlogic soc based android device, however I can compile and boot an custom kernel.
Jun 10 12:59:15 <HaDAk> ymmv.
Jun 10 12:59:31 <HaDAk> likely, you won't have nyx modules
Jun 10 12:59:57 <ainol-tablet-use> HaDAk: what's nyx modules?
Jun 10 13:00:10 <HaDAk> nyx is the hardware abstraction layer for webos
Jun 10 13:00:25 <HaDAk> each piece of hardware will need a nyx module for it to work.
Jun 10 13:02:05 <ainol-tablet-use> HaDAk: Someone in Android stuff once told me you cannot simply add a usb-webcam to android, you have to implement everything.... is this similar?
Jun 10 13:02:50 <HaDAk> i can't speak with any amount of certainty on that.
Jun 10 13:03:03 <HaDAk> i'd imagine adding a webcam would require the nyx module for that webcam
Jun 10 13:03:09 <HaDAk> and then it would show up as a camera source
Jun 10 13:03:27 <HaDAk> but i've never seen any preference to choose your camera source, since no webos device had more than one camera
Jun 10 13:04:18 <ainol-tablet-use> HaDAk: is it difficult to do it myself? how much do I have to know about the specific hardware? is there something like a tutorial?
Jun 10 13:04:37 <HaDAk> i really doubt there's a tutorial. i've never done it myself. it's a bit over my head.
Jun 10 13:04:45 <HaDAk> but some of the other guys in here would know more
Jun 10 13:05:22 <ainol-tablet-use> HaDAk: thank you
Jun 10 13:05:51 <HaDAk> http://www.openwebosproject.org/docs/developer_guide/ppl/
Jun 10 13:05:52 <HaDAk> oh nice :)
Jun 10 13:06:02 <HaDAk> documentation ftw
Jun 10 13:06:19 <HaDAk> http://www.openwebosproject.org/docs/porting_guide#.UbXPUuvHR2Q
Jun 10 13:06:42 <HaDAk> hopefully those help, ainol-tablet-use
Jun 10 13:07:21 <ainol-tablet-use> HaDAk: I'll give it a try! thanks.
Jun 10 13:07:32 <HaDAk> :) if you get it working, be sure to share!
Jun 10 13:07:57 <ainol-tablet-use> HaDAk: I will.
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Jun 10 16:51:51 <Tofe> morphis: but then, no one holds a pointer on the window... and that seems a bit wrong.
Jun 10 16:53:52 <Tofe> or maybe... mmh... maybe if the window we pass on to eglCreateWindowSurface make it possible for the qweboswindow to recognize it later. Need to think about it.
Jun 10 17:05:03 <Ziginox> I don't mean to take away from the webos discussion, but did anyone here do serious development for Palm OS (i.e. in a company) during the OS4 to OS5 transition? I need some information reguarding a device.
Jun 10 17:05:06 * Ziginox ducks
Jun 10 17:07:57 * Tofe never manipulated any PalmOS device...
Jun 10 17:09:13 <Ziginox> Specifically, I have a Palm "Oslo" here that I'm told was leased to developers before the OS5 release to market, it's a protoype Tungsten T. I'd like some more information on what it might be.
Jun 10 17:09:32 <Ziginox> but anyway, I'm here for the webos dev too
Jun 10 17:11:41 <scoutcamper> lol
Jun 10 17:11:46 <scoutcamper> old tungsten
Jun 10 17:11:59 <Ziginox> (:
Jun 10 17:12:04 <scoutcamper> i have several tungstens :P
Jun 10 17:12:09 <Ziginox> same
Jun 10 17:12:19 <scoutcamper> i have literallly 1 of every palm/hp device.
Jun 10 17:12:34 <scoutcamper> in some cases(like the pre) i have many many more than 1
Jun 10 17:12:46 <Ziginox> I have a number of them
Jun 10 17:13:10 <scoutcamper> i have a new in box palm pilot with paging function :P
Jun 10 17:13:41 <Ziginox> missing a few of the III models, the pilots and palm pilots, the m505, a lot of the tungstens, and some of the more exotic ones
Jun 10 17:13:46 <Ziginox> nice
Jun 10 17:14:41 <halfhalo> I have a visor with a modem.
Jun 10 17:14:56 <Ziginox> I have a visor with a GPS >:D
Jun 10 17:15:16 <Ziginox> the only modem I have is the one for the m500 series
Jun 10 17:16:00 <Ziginox> scoutcamper: do you have a Tunsgten W?
Jun 10 17:16:04 <scoutcamper> yes
Jun 10 17:16:34 <Ziginox> has the back cover of yours managed to fall apart just by looking at it?
Jun 10 17:16:39 <scoutcamper> nope
Jun 10 19:20:42 <Kasm279> heh
Jun 10 19:20:48 <Kasm279> iOS now has cards like WebOS
Jun 10 19:22:25 <PatrickC> i didn't see that part
Jun 10 19:22:48 <Kasm279> yep
Jun 10 19:23:00 <Kasm279> http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/12485/c77aplmjj0e6.png
Jun 10 20:58:18 <Tofe> well, it may well be "cards" like on android, i.e. not real multitasking, just some images of frozen apps.
Jun 10 20:58:56 <Tofe> that property has always been a "no go" for me
Jun 10 20:59:28 <morphis> Tofe: and it's a system you as user cannot control
Jun 10 20:59:34 <morphis> it's closed
Jun 10 20:59:52 <Tofe> yep, that, too :)
Jun 10 21:00:14 <Tofe> that's why my phone runs maemo, and I'm involved in wop :p
Jun 10 21:02:25 <Tofe> morphis: I still have some Makefile.am polishing to do, but for the code itself I think I'm quite ok now
Jun 10 21:03:10 <Tofe> (quite ok given the fact that I've not even tried yet to compile it)
Jun 10 21:15:11 <morphis> Tofe|Away: :)
Jun 10 23:15:34 <LarrySteeze> morning Tofe|Away
Jun 10 23:35:11 <ka6sox> morning LarrySteeze
Jun 10 23:59:46 <Ziginox> scoutcamper: pretty sure this is a model you don't have https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3570226/DSC/DSC04701.JPG
Jun 11 00:00:14 <scoutcamper> i in fact have several
Jun 11 00:00:31 <Ziginox> that isn't a standard Tungsten T
Jun 11 00:00:36 <scoutcamper> i know
Jun 11 00:00:48 <Ziginox> jr,
Jun 11 00:00:51 <Ziginox> hrm*
Jun 11 00:01:02 <Ziginox> perhaps you could provide some background on the Oslo, then?
Jun 11 00:01:40 <scoutcamper> its simply a EVT build of tungsten t
Jun 11 00:01:43 <scoutcamper> nothing special
Jun 11 00:02:10 <Ziginox> EVT?
Jun 11 00:03:31 <scoutcamper> a early prototype
Jun 11 00:05:44 <Ziginox> I've also been told that they were leased out to developers to prepare for the ARM/OS5 transition
Jun 11 00:06:00 <scoutcamper> i dont know about that
Jun 11 00:06:31 <Ziginox> iirc the person that told me did development work at the time
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