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Jul 18 06:43:03 <Tofe> morning
Jul 18 06:47:11 <morphis> Tofe: morning
Jul 18 07:19:36 <Tofe> morphis: is the background image also under Apache licensing ?
Jul 18 07:24:54 <Tofe> (I'm regrouping the imported LSM resources in one distinct directory)
Jul 18 07:48:12 <morphis> Tofe: ka6sox should know
Jul 18 07:53:45 <ka6sox> the image we are using for the backgrounds?
Jul 18 07:53:48 <ka6sox> CCbySA
Jul 18 07:53:52 <ka6sox> non-commercial
Jul 18 07:53:59 <Tofe> ok
Jul 18 07:54:27 <ka6sox> (the ones we had the contest for)
Jul 18 07:54:37 <Tofe> yes yes, exactly, the butterfly
Jul 18 07:54:43 <ka6sox> those that came from HP/LG are Apache2.0
Jul 18 07:54:47 <ka6sox> yup
Jul 18 07:54:50 <ka6sox> thats the one!
Jul 18 07:56:07 <Tofe> so, in the luna-next repo, what would be best ? I put the resources where I want, and I put a "resource-licenses.txt" at the root explaining which file has which license ?
Jul 18 07:56:49 <Tofe> I'm not very used to deal with licenses for resources
Jul 18 07:57:56 <stefan_schmidt_w> Does it contain a COPYING file?
Jul 18 07:58:08 <stefan_schmidt_w> if yes you just might list the files plus its license there
Jul 18 07:58:35 <Tofe> yes, there's one already
Jul 18 07:59:06 <stefan_schmidt_w> This could be one place then
Jul 18 07:59:33 <stefan_schmidt_w> I have seen it quite often that several licenses are listed in there when more then one was used in a project
Jul 18 08:00:24 <Tofe> ok, I can do like this
Jul 18 08:00:31 <stefan_schmidt_w> I qould suggest to put the smaller things on the top though to make sure people spot it easily when you have a longer license text in there. Easily be missed after a long blob of text
Jul 18 08:00:41 <stefan_schmidt_w> s/qould/would/
Jul 18 08:03:33 <Tofe> yup
Jul 18 08:15:18 <bhuey_> folks
Jul 18 08:15:36 <Tofe> stefan_schmidt_w: there is already a long GPLv3 license in there; if I'm to add the Apache license and a CCbySA-NC, people will never spot the files... Can't I have GPL.txt, APACHEv2.txt, CreativeCommons.txt for the license text, and make reference to these files in the COPYING file ?
Jul 18 08:17:40 <stefan_schmidt_w> wow, you guys have to many licenses :)
Jul 18 08:17:57 <stefan_schmidt_w> Tofe: but yeah, having one file referencing the others might make sense
Jul 18 08:18:08 <stefan_schmidt_w> all in one might be to much :)
Jul 18 08:18:53 <Tofe> stefan_schmidt_w: well, luna-next is GPLv3 at the beginning, the two other licenses comes with the imported resources
Jul 18 08:19:24 <stefan_schmidt_w> so its only for some graphic files or such?
Jul 18 08:19:28 <Tofe> yes
Jul 18 08:19:33 <stefan_schmidt_w> ok, thats better
Jul 18 08:19:49 <stefan_schmidt_w> would give people some more nightmare if you are mixing licenses to much in the code itself
Jul 18 08:19:59 <Tofe> yeah, sure
Jul 18 08:20:43 <stefan_schmidt_w> I mean, you guys are running the project but I would say the solution with the different license files is fine
Jul 18 08:21:19 <stefan_schmidt_w> if you have a dat or image folder where all this resources are being kept in you might even put the licenses there
Jul 18 08:21:31 <stefan_schmidt_w> but that is really up to you
Jul 18 08:21:39 <Tofe> I just creates a "resources" folder, yes
Jul 18 08:21:43 <Tofe> created*
Jul 18 08:21:47 <stefan_schmidt_w> root folder gives more transparency, iomage folder makes the rest look cleaner
Jul 18 08:23:14 <Tofe> but can I, for example, create a second "COPYING" file in the "resources" folder ? or is it too hidden ?
Jul 18 08:24:33 <stefan_schmidt_w> ok, here is what I would do. In the end its your folks decision though
Jul 18 08:24:54 <stefan_schmidt_w> Add both license files in the resource folder
Jul 18 08:25:40 <stefan_schmidt_w> And in the main COPYING file in the root dir put a list with files and its license on top of the file
Jul 18 08:25:45 <stefan_schmidt_w> above the gplv3
Jul 18 08:26:17 <stefan_schmidt_w> This way people you look into this file spot that some resources have different licenses but you are not cluttering the root dir with all these files
Jul 18 08:26:35 <Tofe> looks good to me
Jul 18 08:27:04 <Tofe> morphis: I'll put that in place and propose a PR, so that you can review that
Jul 18 08:43:27 <morphis> Tofe: ok, stefan_schmidt_w is welcome to review the PR too
Jul 18 08:44:33 <stefan_schmidt_w> Sure, just add Stefan-Schmidt to the github PR and I can have a look
Jul 18 08:44:52 <stefan_schmidt_w> in the evening that is
Jul 18 08:45:50 <stefan_schmidt_w> I was actually thinking about setting up a webos-ports build but given that we have really unusual 30 degree here in UK its already way to hot in my small flat
Jul 18 08:46:12 <stefan_schmidt_w> Don't want to have a big OE build going on during this heat :)
Jul 18 09:04:40 <Tofe> morphis: how can I add stefan_schmidt_w ? I don't find any option in github's repo for that
Jul 18 09:17:27 <morphis> Tofe: you can assign a PR to someone
Jul 18 09:18:10 <morphis> hm, but you can't as Stefan-Schmidt isn't part of the project
Jul 18 09:18:16 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next/pull/16
Jul 18 09:19:14 <stefan_schmidt_w> oh, I was thinking you could do somethig like @Stefan-Schmidt to refer to the github name even if the user is not part of the project
Jul 18 09:19:33 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: Will have a look in the evening or maybe the lunch break
Jul 18 09:20:12 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: seems not possible
Jul 18 09:21:03 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: Something to learn every day :)
Jul 18 09:21:08 <morphis> hehe
Jul 18 09:21:40 <stefan_schmidt_w> I somehow think it works at least in github issues. Might be different for PRs
Jul 18 09:24:47 <stefan_schmidt_w> ah, screw it. I sneak a quick review in now :)
Jul 18 09:28:10 <stefan_schmidt_w> All looks good to me. Only nitpick I have is that you have the resource file patches without " and the license ones with.
Jul 18 09:28:22 <stefan_schmidt_w> Nothing really. Just a bit inconsistent.
Jul 18 09:28:45 <stefan_schmidt_w> Haven't compared the license obviously as they should be plain copies of the official licenses.
Jul 18 09:28:54 <stefan_schmidt_w> Besides that it looks good to me
Jul 18 09:29:14 <morphis> ok, will have a look later too
Jul 18 09:29:21 <stefan_schmidt_w> Not doing the comment on github as I don't really want to log in with my private account through the company network.
Jul 18 09:29:32 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: yeah, 30 degree are a little bit hot ... here it's thankfully around 20-25
Jul 18 09:29:43 <stefan_schmidt_w> the network stuff here is .... funky
Jul 18 09:30:00 <morphis> :)
Jul 18 09:30:33 <stefan_schmidt_w> Maybe I will start a run at one of the weekend nights
Jul 18 09:30:42 <stefan_schmidt_w> Depends on what else I'm doing.
Jul 18 09:31:02 <stefan_schmidt_w> But given I don't have any of the targets it would be desktop only
Jul 18 09:31:06 <Tofe> yes, the license files are plain copies, I wouldn't dare insert my own touch to that kind of text :p
Jul 18 09:31:15 <stefan_schmidt_w> Tofe: good :)
Jul 18 09:35:42 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: if you're using ubuntu 12.04 you should be able to reuse sstate from our mirrors
Jul 18 09:37:03 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: nope, Debian unstable.
Jul 18 09:37:08 <morphis> ok
Jul 18 09:37:16 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: Was the 64 bit problems sorted out by the way?
Jul 18 09:37:32 <morphis> which one?
Jul 18 09:37:33 <stefan_schmidt_w> I remember the first time I tried the desktop build it did not work on 64bit
Jul 18 09:37:40 <morphis> ah the desktop build
Jul 18 09:37:45 <morphis> long time ago that I used it
Jul 18 09:37:51 <stefan_schmidt_w> ok
Jul 18 09:37:55 <morphis> I saw some commits for it going into
Jul 18 09:38:01 <stefan_schmidt_w> I guess I would see when trying then :)
Jul 18 09:38:09 <morphis> but it is not really related to what we're doing here :)
Jul 18 09:38:38 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: Or should I aim for a full OE build with qemu-x86 as target?
Jul 18 09:38:56 <stefan_schmidt_w> So the desktop build is not picking anything of these up?
Jul 18 09:39:00 <morphis> no
Jul 18 09:39:04 <stefan_schmidt_w> Oh, wait its for openwebos only right?
Jul 18 09:39:08 <morphis> yes
Jul 18 09:39:11 <stefan_schmidt_w> and not webos ports
Jul 18 09:39:18 <morphis> webos-ports is currently sadly only for target devices
Jul 18 09:39:23 <stefan_schmidt_w> ah, took the wrong route midway :)
Jul 18 09:39:40 <morphis> but I really want a build-desktop based setup for luna-next
Jul 18 09:39:48 <stefan_schmidt_w> And you all test on the target only? like gnexus?
Jul 18 09:39:55 <morphis> yes
Jul 18 09:39:57 <stefan_schmidt_w> Or also doing some qemu-x86 builds?
Jul 18 09:40:20 <stefan_schmidt_w> yeah, I have to say this screams for a faster dev to test cycle :)
Jul 18 09:40:26 <morphis> JaMa tryied to keep them running but due to the heavy development in the past on the graphics stack no one really cared about them
Jul 18 09:41:08 <morphis> but maybe things with luna-next will be easier
Jul 18 09:41:39 <Tofe> let's hope so, testing on device is quite painful
Jul 18 09:41:48 <stefan_schmidt_w> Hmm, that means I'm not able to run it. Build yes, run no.
Jul 18 09:42:18 <stefan_schmidt_w> What are the targets you are working with?
Jul 18 09:42:26 <stefan_schmidt_w> Only gnexus?
Jul 18 09:42:43 <stefan_schmidt_w> I guess none of the original Palm/HP hardware
Jul 18 09:43:52 <Tofe> I'm on a tegra2 tablet - I nearly made it to testing on N7, but the N7 didn't
Jul 18 09:44:24 <stefan_schmidt_w> ok
Jul 18 09:44:42 <stefan_schmidt_w> Seems like my local device collection might not match
Jul 18 09:44:58 <stefan_schmidt_w> Maybe I set up a build just for the sake of having a look
Jul 18 09:45:14 <stefan_schmidt_w> My OE usage could use a refreshment anyway :)
Jul 18 09:45:30 <Tofe> Yes, it will refresh your apartment ;)
Jul 18 09:46:26 <stefan_schmidt_w> Tofe: I guess this build is way less heat producing then the onces I did like two years ago.
Jul 18 09:46:56 <stefan_schmidt_w> I was building a full embedded linux distro with openjdk and services on top :)
Jul 18 09:47:19 <stefan_schmidt_w> Nice 16 hours on my home laptop
Jul 18 09:47:30 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: if you choose webOS-ports/master you will qt and webkit both twice :)
Jul 18 09:47:38 <stefan_schmidt_w> ouch
Jul 18 09:47:41 <stefan_schmidt_w> webkit
Jul 18 09:47:45 <stefan_schmidt_w> I forgot about it
Jul 18 09:47:52 <morphis> :D
Jul 18 09:48:13 <stefan_schmidt_w> *grumbl*
Jul 18 09:49:17 <stefan_schmidt_w> I forgot that every embedded linux build nowadays contains webkit. Ether qt, efl or gtk
Jul 18 09:49:31 <stefan_schmidt_w> That was different before :)
Jul 18 09:49:32 <morphis> :)
Jul 18 15:03:02 <Amish> hi
Jul 18 15:03:13 <HaDAk> hey scoutcamper, can you help with Amish's problem?
Jul 18 15:03:27 <HaDAk> Amish: there are a lot of people in here that could probably solve it.
Jul 18 15:04:09 <HaDAk> cryptk, halfhalo, ka6sox, LarrySteeze, morphis, rwhitby, scoutcamper, ShiftyAxel|Away, zz_dkirker could probably answer it >.>
Jul 18 15:04:58 <Amish> ok
Jul 18 15:07:14 <scoutcamper> what is the problem?
Jul 18 15:07:49 <Amish> App Cat wont work on my Veer
Jul 18 15:08:03 <Amish> It is stuck loading every time I open it
Jul 18 15:08:20 <HaDAk> he's got an at&t veer in an area with only 900mhz gsm service. so, he's bypassing first login, and trying to use impostah to change the user -- but app catalog isn't working
Jul 18 15:08:26 <Amish> I had it when I activated normally, doctored it, used dev mode and impostah sign in
Jul 18 15:08:42 <Amish> still cant go in App Cat
Jul 18 15:09:17 <Amish> point is, i cant use it whether I activate normally, or with impostah
Jul 18 15:10:03 <Amish> I used this method to sign in with impostah
Jul 18 15:10:04 <Amish> http://www.webosnation.com/bypass-activation-webos-2-x
Jul 18 15:10:23 <Amish> It said success, however, in the Accounts app, the account is still Dr Skipped Firstuse
Jul 18 15:10:33 <Amish> so I dont know whether that is supposed to happen
Jul 18 15:18:31 <Amish> hi
Jul 18 15:26:25 <Amish> is the impostah login actually working if the account in Accounts app is still Dr Skipped Firstuse?
Jul 18 15:27:57 <HaDAk> [11:27:52] scoutcamper signed on at July 13, 2013 2:16:00 AM EDT and has been idle for 20 Minutes, 38 Seconds
Jul 18 15:28:19 <Amish> cool command!
Jul 18 15:33:29 <HaDAk> you try it. /whois scoutcamper  :P
Jul 18 15:34:06 <Amish> doesnt give me last sign on
Jul 18 15:39:31 <scoutcamper> it should be working fine
Jul 18 15:39:51 <scoutcamper> but i havent used impostah in soo long ive forgotten most of it :(
Jul 18 15:44:39 <Amish> App Cat wont load
Jul 18 15:49:50 <HaDAk> install lumberjack and watch the appcat log as it loads
Jul 18 15:50:13 <Amish> ok
Jul 18 15:51:10 <HaDAk> knowing what errors its throwing will give more information about wtf is going on ;)
Jul 18 15:51:35 <Amish> how do I select a specific app
Jul 18 15:52:04 <HaDAk> dunno. don't have a webos device within 650 miles of me :P
Jul 18 15:52:17 <Amish> follow or retrieve log
Jul 18 15:52:40 <HaDAk> follow
Jul 18 15:52:43 <HaDAk> then launch
Jul 18 15:53:07 <fx1> HaDAk: wrong! i have webos device within 40 miles of you
Jul 18 15:53:14 <HaDAk> >.>
Jul 18 15:53:14 * fx1 throws webos devices at halfhalo
Jul 18 15:53:16 <HaDAk> not mine
Jul 18 15:53:17 <fx1> HaDAk*
Jul 18 15:53:21 <Amish> only one error so far
Jul 18 15:53:21 * HaDAk throws halfhalo at fx1 
Jul 18 15:53:26 <HaDAk> Amish: what's the error?
Jul 18 15:53:40 <Amish> AppLists is not defined
Jul 18 15:53:41 <scoutcamper> i have a webos device 7 miles away. but im too lazy to go get it
Jul 18 15:53:55 <HaDAk> hum
Jul 18 15:54:09 <Amish> still only 1 error
Jul 18 15:54:10 <HaDAk> what else does the log show?
Jul 18 15:54:17 <scoutcamper> (mostly because im it work makin monies!)
Jul 18 15:54:28 <Amish> thats it, nothing else
Jul 18 15:55:56 <Amish> should I try downloading the update to see the error?
Jul 18 15:56:19 <HaDAk> try doing whatever you can to get a useful bit of information to work off of
Jul 18 15:56:34 <Amish> what did the App Lists error mean
Jul 18 15:56:45 <Amish> its the only error
Jul 18 15:57:05 <Amish> ok, the update error is: Catalogdownload failed.init error: -1
Jul 18 15:58:41 <Amish> so the update error is a result of app cat problem?
Jul 18 15:58:49 <HaDAk> actually
Jul 18 15:58:53 <HaDAk> what's the date on the device?
Jul 18 15:59:06 <Amish> april 15, 2011
Jul 18 15:59:19 <HaDAk> set it to the correct day and try again.
Jul 18 15:59:41 <halfhalo> whowhathwherewhenwhy?
Jul 18 16:00:18 <Amish> ok changed
Jul 18 16:00:29 <fx1> halfhalo: my mistake, i typed ha- and hit tab thinking it'd put in HaDAk's name, apparently auto-complete is case sensitive
Jul 18 16:00:44 <HaDAk> also, i threw you at fx1
Jul 18 16:01:38 <Amish> app cat update downloaded fine
Jul 18 16:01:44 * halfhalo goes back to work/sleep
Jul 18 16:02:15 <Amish> still same error for App Cat though
Jul 18 16:02:22 <Amish> AppLists is not defined
Jul 18 16:02:31 <Amish> also a Scaled Height error
Jul 18 16:05:14 <Amish__> hi from Veer!
Jul 18 16:05:58 <HaDAk> :)
Jul 18 16:06:13 <HaDAk> i wish we could remote into that thing and look for ourselves
Jul 18 21:13:48 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: webos-ports build is running now. I wonder if it built successfully when I check tomorrow morning :)
Jul 18 21:14:37 <morphis> it should :)
Jul 18 21:15:09 <stefan_schmidt> well, its debian unstable 64bit. No idea if any of you folks build this way
Jul 18 21:15:27 <morphis> most people are using Ubuntu 12.04+
Jul 18 21:15:37 <morphis> I know JaMa is building a lot on Gentoo too
Jul 18 21:16:14 <morphis> http://jenkins.nas-admin.org/ is always a good indication wether a build should succeed or not
Jul 18 21:16:14 <stefan_schmidt> only ubuntu and 32bit looks more and more like a plague to me. To many things just expect that
Jul 18 21:16:29 <stefan_schmidt> ah, cool. You have a jenkins running. Good :)
Jul 18 21:17:30 <morphis> yes
Jul 18 21:17:54 <stefan_schmidt> Currently 1 running tasks (136 of 5111):
Jul 18 21:18:02 <morphis> yeah ubuntu is becoming a std. linux somehow
Jul 18 21:18:31 <stefan_schmidt> while ubuntu itself goes of from the standard very fast recently :)
Jul 18 21:18:49 <JaMa> stefan_schmidt: it should work on any sane distribution
Jul 18 21:19:12 <morphis> and I expect debian to very close to ubuntu
Jul 18 21:19:15 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: Good
Jul 18 21:19:22 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: yeah for the upper layers
Jul 18 21:19:32 <stefan_schmidt> I mean I was always building on debian unstable 64bit
Jul 18 21:20:03 <stefan_schmidt> And nowadays the oe-core builds should be way more stable
Jul 18 21:20:09 <stefan_schmidt> At least I expect that :)
Jul 18 21:20:20 <stefan_schmidt> Haven't done an OE build in a while sadly
Jul 18 21:21:03 <stefan_schmidt> I call it a day now.
Jul 18 21:21:19 <stefan_schmidt> I hope I have a successful build report for breakfast :)
Jul 18 21:21:21 <stefan_schmidt> cu guys
Jul 18 21:21:27 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: bye
Jul 19 01:22:48 <LarrySteeze> morphis: ping
Jul 19 01:22:52 <LarrySteeze> Tofe: ping
Jul 19 01:24:01 <ka6sox> *snif*
Jul 19 01:24:26 <LarrySteeze> Amish: you have to use impostah to change the user
Jul 19 02:39:26 <Amish_> App Catalog won't load for me
Jul 19 02:40:07 <Amish_> the errors in Lumberjack are "AppLists not defined" "Error in obtaining deviceId"
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