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Jul 31 09:34:42 <morphis> Tofe|Away: ping
Jul 31 13:30:48 <Tofe> morphis: pong
Jul 31 14:50:35 <morphis> Tofe: did you already tried to build for your a500 recently?
Jul 31 15:15:02 <Tofe> morphis: not that recently no, not with systemd and/or Qt 5.1
Jul 31 15:15:32 <Tofe> The latest was with Qt 5.0.2, to test the QML a bit
Jul 31 16:05:10 <morphis> Tofe: ok
Jul 31 16:05:16 <morphis> Tofe: I have the settings now integrated
Jul 31 16:06:38 <morphis> Tofe: that gives us access to the correct screen size
Jul 31 16:44:43 <stefan_schmidt> hmm, no Garfonso around
Jul 31 16:45:00 <stefan_schmidt> Seems I need to search for his email
Jul 31 16:50:33 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: he's only available from time to time
Jul 31 16:50:43 <morphis> let me look wether I have his email somewhere
Jul 31 16:50:52 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: yeah, seems so. I will try to drop him a mail
Jul 31 16:51:28 <stefan_schmidt> should be something with mobo.info
Jul 31 16:51:37 <stefan_schmidt> at least that is his blog domain
Jul 31 17:22:25 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: sent him a mail and put you on cc
Jul 31 17:22:38 <stefan_schmidt> Always better to keep the project manager in the loop ;)
Jul 31 17:23:19 <stefan_schmidt> Now dinner and after that I will have a look at the custom validator from the SyncML connector
Jul 31 18:15:31 <Herrie> For my education what benefits does systemd bring over upstart? Is it performance or something else? I tried to Google but couldn't really find a definitive answer....
Jul 31 18:17:22 <stefan_schmidt> Herrie: performance is only one part
Jul 31 18:17:40 <stefan_schmidt> Herrie: it also allows you to control your running services more reliable
Jul 31 18:18:06 <stefan_schmidt> and it has nice features like start on demand for dbus as well as socket activation
Jul 31 18:18:36 <stefan_schmidt> upstart also added some of these things lately but it feels like a stalled project while systemd moves on and on
Jul 31 18:19:30 <stefan_schmidt> So it is not only about features but also about an active community
Jul 31 18:19:38 <stefan_schmidt> At least that is how I take it
Jul 31 18:20:54 <Herrie> Ah ok :) I found some of these features too in a comparison, was just wondering what's the driver. Why wouldn't LG use it as well then if it's "better"? I saw that they're moving to new Node.js at least :)
Jul 31 18:21:43 <stefan_schmidt> Don't know about any of LG's plans but upstart was there from the beginning
Jul 31 18:21:56 <stefan_schmidt> And it takes some time and effort to move on
Jul 31 18:22:08 <stefan_schmidt> While you might want to put your resources somewhere else
Jul 31 18:26:47 <Herrie> True ;)
Jul 31 18:26:57 <Herrie> Saw some interesting things on GitHub today :)
Jul 31 18:28:34 <Herrie> Seems like there's an ares-webos-sdk in the works ;)
Jul 31 18:28:51 <stefan_schmidt> ares?
Jul 31 18:29:01 <Herrie> Ares = App development tool ;)
Jul 31 18:29:05 <Herrie> In browser ;)
Jul 31 18:29:07 <stefan_schmidt> ah
Jul 31 18:29:16 <Herrie> https://ares.palm.com/Ares/login.html
Jul 31 18:29:24 <Herrie> That's the OLD Mojo variant ;)
Jul 31 18:29:24 <stefan_schmidt> yeah, i remember
Jul 31 18:29:30 <Herrie> Tjere
Jul 31 18:29:35 <Herrie> There's Ares2 now for Enyo too ;)
Jul 31 18:29:48 <Herrie> Which runs locally based on node.js
Jul 31 18:29:56 <Herrie> But seems LG is working on a SDK too :D
Jul 31 18:30:18 * stefan_schmidt is an old school vim user
Jul 31 18:30:58 <Herrie> Seems like there's also some other interesting bits in the works @ LG... Came across this reference: "gpro.palm.com.webos-pro.demo-apps"
Jul 31 18:31:22 <Herrie> And another one: "gpro.palm.com/webos-pro"
Jul 31 18:31:44 <morphis> Herrie: :)
Jul 31 18:33:28 <morphis> Herrie: seems like you're an extensive reader of the commit messages
Jul 31 18:38:30 <Herrie> Yes LOL, that at least gives me some hope of something nice in the future ;)
Jul 31 18:40:20 <morphis> hehe
Jul 31 18:41:06 <morphis> Herrie: you had some time to do anything for the wiki?
Jul 31 18:42:35 <stefan_schmidt> Garfonso: got my mail?
Jul 31 18:48:17 <morphis> naarf .. STAGING_INCDIR must die!
Jul 31 19:44:48 <Herrie> Morphis-> No not yet, real life got in between... Hope in the next couple of days. Anything in particular you'd like me to focus on?
Jul 31 19:49:55 <stefan_schmidt> hmm, account setup now wants to call the custom validator app aka my app code
Jul 31 19:50:08 <stefan_schmidt> but widgets are not loading
Jul 31 19:50:27 <stefan_schmidt> Seems there are quite some things for me to understand in WebOS app development :)
Jul 31 19:50:37 <stefan_schmidt> Enough for today though
Jul 31 19:50:46 <stefan_schmidt> cu
Jul 31 20:05:20 <morphis> Herrie: getting the main page a bit more organized
Jul 31 20:29:56 <Darakian> Hoy hoy
Jul 31 20:39:20 <morphis> Darakian: hey
Jul 31 20:55:45 <Herrie> Morphis-> You mean to link all up and make it look more like: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/New_Page ?
Jul 31 20:57:04 <Darakian> Key morphis. How goes things in the webos world?
Jul 31 21:00:33 <morphis> Herrie: yeah or like the webos-internals site
Jul 31 21:00:43 <morphis> but more structures with a news section
Jul 31 21:00:59 <morphis> Darakian: things are still going on :)
Jul 31 21:04:14 <Darakian> good to hear, I saw the alpha 2 release. Grats  :D
Jul 31 21:04:38 <Darakian> has anyone uploaded video of recent releases?
Jul 31 21:05:42 <morphis> Darakian: yeah, let me find it
Jul 31 21:06:23 <morphis> Darakian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WABbklGmcD8
Jul 31 21:08:04 <Darakian> mmmm I see why it's still alpha
Jul 31 21:08:49 <Darakian> looks like you've made a lot of progress though
Jul 31 21:12:59 <morphis> Darakian: yeah, and currently we're working and reworking the UI
Jul 31 21:13:18 <morphis> there is a lot going on and we still need help
Jul 31 21:13:19 <Darakian> reworking it? how so?
Jul 31 21:13:48 <morphis> I should really write down the reaons why we're doing it
Jul 31 21:14:35 <morphis> in short: maintanbility and being future-proof
Jul 31 21:15:18 <morphis> but we're keeping most things as they are
Jul 31 21:15:29 <morphis> application developers will not see any difference
Jul 31 21:15:58 <morphis> but being able to use the full adavantages which comes with wayland/qt5/webkit2/systemd/...
Jul 31 21:16:58 <Darakian> so more of an internal maintenance thing. I thought you were dropping/reworking the card system
Jul 31 21:17:56 <morphis> no!
Jul 31 21:18:17 <Darakian> haha
Jul 31 21:18:36 <morphis> http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Luna_Next
Jul 31 21:18:48 <Darakian> so you're making the move to qt5 and wayland then?
Jul 31 21:18:56 <Darakian> ahh
Jul 31 21:19:00 <morphis> yes
Jul 31 21:19:21 <morphis> which sadly comes with the point that we have to rewrite the UI
Jul 31 21:19:25 <Darakian> I like the new device menue
Jul 31 21:19:31 <Darakian> menu*
Jul 31 21:19:37 <Darakian> ouch
Jul 31 21:19:40 <Darakian> the whole thing?
Jul 31 21:20:00 <morphis> mostly
Jul 31 21:20:13 <morphis> as I said the graphics stack inside LSM isn't something easy to handle
Jul 31 21:20:32 <morphis> so we're going to recreate it with QML in a simplyfied but powerful way
Jul 31 21:20:44 <Darakian> if you don't mind me asking
Jul 31 21:20:48 <Darakian> what is this? http://www.webosnation.com/sites/webosnation.com/files/resource_images/j/jose-b.jpg
Jul 31 21:21:01 <morphis> don't ask me
Jul 31 21:21:09 <Darakian> haha
Jul 31 21:21:10 <Darakian> ok
Jul 31 21:21:14 <morphis> someone here in the chat found it and added it
Jul 31 21:21:37 <morphis> we're trying to implement features by the request of the community
Jul 31 21:21:51 <morphis> give them priorities and then see what we can do
Jul 31 21:22:15 <morphis> and a lot people have great ideas :)
Jul 31 21:23:10 <Darakian> I need to get back to hanging out here again
Jul 31 21:23:20 <Darakian> I love following the development
Jul 31 21:24:34 <Darakian> so what's the news with the LG thing?
Jul 31 21:24:49 <Darakian> the devs are now working for LG?
Jul 31 21:26:27 <morphis> :)
Jul 31 21:26:45 <morphis> I am still here ...
Jul 31 21:31:47 <morphis> Darakian: any interesting in support us?
Jul 31 21:32:45 <morphis> Darakian: https://trello.com/b/TIZXk0xw/luna-next gives you a good overview about what we're currently doing
Jul 31 21:34:10 <Darakian> interest yes
Jul 31 21:34:24 <Darakian> direction/skill/etc... maybe
Jul 31 21:34:46 <Darakian> I really don't know much programming
Jul 31 21:44:24 <morphis> Darakian: Herrie for example helps us with maintaining the wiki
Jul 31 21:44:26 <morphis> anyway have to leave
Jul 31 21:44:28 <morphis> gn8
Aug 01 00:59:40 <newborn> follow the link http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports/images/grouper/ ,i find some chroot image for N7.but have no guide or manual to run it? ( sorry for my bad english)
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