**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 09 02:59:59 2013 Aug 09 03:56:20 hey all Aug 09 04:06:16 LarrySteeze: Pong Aug 09 04:29:58 Hey Eric ;) Aug 09 05:29:52 Scoutcamper: Ping Aug 09 05:29:58 ? Aug 09 05:30:36 When you have time can you enable WikiEditor, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiEditor ? Aug 09 05:31:10 I don't have server login stuff to do it myself ;) Aug 09 05:37:56 sure Aug 09 05:38:03 2 minutes Aug 09 05:39:43 Herrie, installed Aug 09 05:42:11 Jay :) Thanks :) That will make editing quite a bit easier and quicker :D Aug 09 05:42:26 no problem :) Aug 09 05:47:30 You'll see a lot of restructuring, cleaning and moving on the Wiki going on these days ;) Aug 09 05:47:40 excellent Aug 09 05:47:43 Will soon be a bit less of an organised chaos ;) Aug 09 05:47:53 yay! Aug 09 05:48:25 Any chance you could bring the WoceBot back? I'm curious about ~lart ;) Aug 09 05:48:40 hmmm Aug 09 05:48:46 wasnt aware he had left Aug 09 05:48:50 * scoutcamper digs Aug 09 05:49:02 I cannot find out what all this funny stuff in Secrets page means now LOL ;) Aug 09 05:49:24 it was put there by ShiftyAxel as easter eggs for news sites to find :P Aug 09 05:57:51 Ah I see Aug 09 06:25:09 Morphis/JaMa: When you got a minute can you have a look at http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Maguro_Info ? For the Nightly, M Snapshot, Release Candidate and Stable: I assume we want to have our own "names" for various stages there? If yes what should these be? Aug 09 10:10:26 Herrie: we're currently only have a development build Aug 09 10:10:31 so only a "nightly" Aug 09 10:57:39 Tofe|Away: ping Aug 09 11:01:54 morphis: pong Aug 09 11:04:17 Tofe: first: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next/pull/21 Aug 09 11:04:56 Tofe: and second: the shadows and rounded corners you added are causing the framerate to break down to 15-30 Aug 09 11:05:08 which makes the UI pretty unresponsive Aug 09 11:06:30 dkirker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUmjHWpe-XI Aug 09 11:11:10 Tofe: and we need to disable both once a card is maximized or in fullscreen mode Aug 09 11:11:30 morphis: ok, I'll see how to do that Aug 09 11:13:07 morphis: and it may well be that a "DropShadow" shader is a bit overkill, actually Aug 09 11:14:44 I didn't looked yet how you implemented both but somehow we need to optimize it .) Aug 09 11:18:13 morphis: Simply used this http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtgraphicaleffects/qml-qtgraphicaleffects1-dropshadow.html Aug 09 11:18:40 I don't know how LSM did the shadow, so I took a guess Aug 09 11:33:31 Tofe: hm, ok Aug 09 11:33:41 will have a look later Aug 09 11:47:32 morphis: I disabled the shadow when not in card mode; I'll try to see if we can do the shadow without a shader. I'll do a PR tonight for that. Aug 09 11:51:28 morphis: for the fpscounter, why do don't you use the settings you've put in place to disable the fpscounter item visibility ? Aug 09 11:52:45 (or even not loading it, with an intermediate Loader) Aug 09 12:39:18 ok, I've merged it anyway, we can always set the flag later on Aug 09 12:40:42 Tofe: hm, now I have repushed it Aug 09 12:44:33 Tofe: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next/pull/22 Aug 09 12:47:15 morphis: merged Aug 09 12:54:00 Tofe|Away: thanks Aug 09 16:01:56 morphis: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next/pull/23 Aug 09 16:07:06 Tofe: merged Aug 09 16:07:24 Tofe: it's the shadow and the opactiy mask which leading to the low framerate Aug 09 16:07:33 I disabled both after another Aug 09 16:07:51 Tofe: ah and: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next/pull/24 Aug 09 16:08:38 Tofe: and https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr/blob/master/Src/lunaui/cards/CardRoundedCornerShaderStage.h Aug 09 16:08:53 I didn't looked into the details Aug 09 16:10:13 and https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr/blob/master/Src/lunaui/cards/CardWindow.cpp#L1605 Aug 09 16:21:47 morphis: ok, I'll try to take the same shader. A shader based on exact geometry is far quicker than one based on a mask Aug 09 16:22:53 Having the date at the top of the screen immediatly makes luna-next far more mature :) Aug 09 16:27:25 Tofe: yeah! :) Aug 09 16:29:28 morphis: tomorrow I leave for the Great White North (the other one), but I've git-fetch'ed all, so I have your LS2 branch locally. I'll work on that. Aug 09 16:38:52 Tofe: ok, enjoy the time there :) Aug 09 16:40:56 Guys: Would like to have your opinion, been doing quite some bits on the wiki (I guess 20-30% done now): http://webos-ports.org/wiki/New_Page Aug 09 16:48:13 Herrie: oh, thats looking better and better each time I open it :) Aug 09 16:48:45 Herrie: do we really have to do the separation between current and legacy devices? Aug 09 16:48:57 as for legacy wosi should be the right source Aug 09 16:54:31 Well WOCE is legacy but done by Ports ;) Aug 09 16:54:45 EricBlade did some Pre3 attempts with it as well Aug 09 16:56:06 hm Aug 09 16:56:38 I would rather do a small page listing those things than doing a big row on the main page Aug 09 16:56:47 as it's nothing we really care about anymore Aug 09 16:59:18 Tofe: one last PR for today: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next/pull/25 Aug 09 17:00:50 Tofe: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/master/src/meego/PageStackWindow.qml Aug 09 17:01:49 Tofe: at least one option when the card is maximized to not cause the GPU anything uncessary to do for the rounded corners Aug 09 17:02:04 corresponding images are afaik in the luna-sysmgr sources too Aug 09 17:02:34 morphis: merged, looks nicer with the enums ! Aug 09 17:02:39 :) Aug 09 17:03:28 Tofe: can you merge https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next/pull/24 too? Aug 09 17:04:08 morphis: oops, was pretty sure I did it, thanks for pointing the miss Aug 09 17:04:21 morphis: I saw these corner images in the "4x" effort Aug 09 17:05:18 ok Aug 09 17:05:20 it'll be pretty simple to add that. I'll put that in trello. Aug 09 17:05:25 ok Aug 09 17:13:23 morphis: I'm a bit curious about how we are going to achieve the notifications with QML, if the content is actually web content: isn't that a bit heavy to render ? Aug 09 17:16:14 Morphis-> Yeah can move it around still. Aug 09 17:22:10 Tofe: it's one option to have them was web content Aug 09 17:25:25 Tofe: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/dashboards-notifications.html Aug 09 17:26:39 Tofe: the ones which take html content are the dashboard panels Aug 09 17:37:53 How much fps are you guys getting currently? Just curious ;) Aug 09 17:39:18 morphis: ok ! Aug 09 17:44:42 Herrie: 60fps :) Aug 09 17:45:14 with simple applications loaded and deactivated rounded corners + shadow Aug 09 17:45:40 Tofe: there are a lot more details we have to implement Aug 09 17:45:55 for example invisible application windows Aug 09 17:50:38 Ok so shading & rounded corners still causes lag with current hardware & updated QT? So I guess Palm put the images for a reason? Aug 09 17:53:00 Herrie: no, it was just a first try how we did it Aug 09 17:53:15 worked fine on desktop but normally that doesn't mean it works well on mobile too Aug 09 17:55:53 Herrie: "If it works on Cyanogenmod or Ubuntu Touch it should theoretically also work from what I understood" <- yes, it then just depends on the amount of integration work Aug 09 17:57:44 I have little knowledge about CDMA, so I really have no clue what's involved.... Aug 09 17:59:58 Herrie: shading & rounded corners in QML today are using a very naïve implementation, without any attempt to optimize anything. Looks like it is not sufficient, but I'm not very surprised :) Aug 09 18:06:34 Ah ok Aug 09 18:08:48 So you think you could improve that? Because it's nicer in QML compared to the images I guess? Aug 09 18:09:12 Herrie: for sure, we have to play with different approaches to see which is the best Aug 09 18:10:20 Clear :) I'll leave that up to you guys then Aug 09 18:12:11 On http://groleo.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/g145391.png Aug 09 18:12:29 That might be a good start for architecture and how things link together? Aug 09 18:13:20 I'm happy if someone draws it on paper how everything fits together (libhybris, OWO, OE, *nyx etc) and I'll work it out digitally if that's quicker & easier Aug 09 18:13:58 Herrie: oh yes, I can do that Aug 09 18:14:12 drawing it on paper is a lot easier for me :) Aug 09 18:14:48 I thought so, I can work it out in PowerPoint, Excel or something else and make a nice diagram from it ;) Aug 09 18:15:26 I know these things take time, just would like to have it for the page and don't want you to waste too much time on it ;) Aug 09 18:16:10 So happy to make the paper version into digital ;) Aug 09 18:16:28 ok, will send you a link once I have it Aug 09 18:16:59 Great :) Aug 09 18:18:13 Herrie: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/wayland/DRMSGX.png is also good to understand how things in our case work Aug 09 18:21:15 Seems like LG will be making a 7" tablet ;) Aug 09 18:25:20 http://techkiddy.blogspot.ro/2013/08/lg-g-pad-tabletslg-v-500lg-v-507l.html?ystfuv# Aug 09 21:53:08 JaMa: ping Aug 09 21:55:25 JaMa: two things: Aug 09 21:55:42 1. Is it intended that qtbase in meta-qt5 builds by default without glib suppport? Aug 09 21:56:08 2. even when adding gstreamer PACKAGECONFIG it doesn't get deteceted by qtbase Aug 09 21:57:54 it's correctly added in DEPENDS but configure says: GStreamer .............. no Aug 09 21:59:17 ah it cannot be enabled because it depends on glib Aug 09 21:59:43 that makes sense Aug 09 23:23:16 Herrie: I have a difficult time connecting with you don't I? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 10 02:59:58 2013