**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 06 02:59:58 2013
Oct 06 07:32:04 <ka6sox> Jama, I need to patch bonaire and curacao
Oct 06 08:53:55 <Herrie|Work> Where can I find latest images? http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports/images/ hasn't been updated since 30th?
Oct 06 09:09:12 <Herrie> HaDAk_: I doubt the hardware is sufficient to run OWO tbh... If it can it would be great because the SOC is similar to the one used in the Veer for example :) Same generation etc ;)
Oct 06 09:13:26 <Herrie> morphis: Ping
Oct 06 09:18:53 <Herrie> morphis: Been playing with VirtualBox latest image including appliance and ran into some minor issues, would be good if we can discuss :)
Oct 06 09:22:17 <Garfonso> btw: are there keyboard shortcuts in the emulator? for example a way to go into card view or something?
Oct 06 09:22:38 <Garfonso> VERY nice would be to have the same keayboard shortcuts as in the old emulator ;)
Oct 06 09:24:57 <Herrie> Garfonso: Yes that's what I wanted to ask as well... Like HOME button to go to card view etc
Oct 06 09:25:09 <Herrie> Now it's a bit of a pain and I often cannot go into card view :(
Oct 06 09:25:35 <Herrie> Or at least I don't know how....
Oct 06 09:26:24 <Garfonso> I don't know either.
Oct 06 09:26:40 <Herrie> Something like: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/emulator.html#keyboard-shortcuts-for-the-emulator shouldn't be too hard to implement I would say. Only 6 keys of which we need 3 or 4 ;)
Oct 06 09:26:52 <Herrie> I think we can do without SYM and Option for now ?
Oct 06 09:31:33 <Garfonso> I think so.
Oct 06 10:15:52 <morphis> Garfonso, Herrie: you have the gesture area for that
Oct 06 10:16:02 <morphis> just click in the middle of it and you're back in card view
Oct 06 10:16:08 <morphis> thats the "new" home button
Oct 06 10:19:39 <JaMa> ka6sox-away: you can, jenkins master seems broken atm
Oct 06 10:24:17 <Herrie> morphis: Gesture area disappears when I launch memo's for example
Oct 06 10:24:35 <morphis> hm, it should not
Oct 06 10:24:44 <morphis> JaMa: rebasing nyx-modules needs some more time
Oct 06 10:24:47 <Herrie> I goes fullscreen and no more gesture area... Hence only a reboot will fix it for me....
Oct 06 10:25:00 <Herrie> Home button or ESC would therefore be useful ;)
Oct 06 10:25:15 <morphis> Tofe|Away: ^^
Oct 06 10:26:44 <morphis> Herrie: can you create a bug report for it?
Oct 06 10:36:45 <Herrie> Sure
Oct 06 10:36:57 <Herrie> Where you want it? Bug tracker or add it in Trello as to-do?
Oct 06 10:37:24 <Herrie> Snowshoe seems broken in emulator? Not sure you're aware of that?
Oct 06 10:42:20 <morphis> bug tracker
Oct 06 10:42:29 <morphis> Herrie: yes, I know that snowshoe is broken
Oct 06 10:42:37 <morphis> it will get replaced soon with something different :)
Oct 06 10:42:56 <morphis> Herrie: please add a bug report for all things you spot
Oct 06 10:43:10 <morphis> minor and major and also feature requests
Oct 06 10:43:30 <morphis> trello is only on top to track who is currently working on what
Oct 06 10:47:21 <morphis> Herrie: whats your overall impression of luna next?
Oct 06 10:47:28 <Herrie> Ok you want in GitHub or other tracking?
Oct 06 10:47:43 <Herrie> issues.webos-ports.org I mean
Oct 06 10:48:13 <morphis> yeah issue.webos-ports.org is correct
Oct 06 10:48:18 <Herrie> OK
Oct 06 10:49:45 <Herrie> Should assign key shortcut to Tofee?
Oct 06 10:50:35 <Herrie> Or leave unassigned for now?
Oct 06 10:51:49 <morphis> assign it to Tofe|Away
Oct 06 10:53:18 <Herrie> OK also have issues with appliance (looks in wrong dir for VMDK) and cannot use existing VMDK, gives error it already exists. Should assign these to you?
Oct 06 10:53:42 <morphis> yes
Oct 06 10:53:53 <morphis> Herrie: btw. please create also one for the not visible gesture area
Oct 06 10:54:59 <Herrie> Yeah did just now
Oct 06 10:55:03 <Herrie> O
Oct 06 10:55:15 <Herrie> I'll delete my VBOX and re-do for the screenshots.
Oct 06 10:59:08 <Herrie> OK I guess it's by design it wants to create a sub-dir and move the vmdk there
Oct 06 10:59:58 <Herrie> I have the OVF and VMDK in root of my j:\ however it seems it will create a sub-dir with name "webOS ports Emulator" and move the vmdk there. Seems like just need to update Wiki to reflect it ;)
Oct 06 11:04:21 <Herrie> Updated Wiki to reflect it
Oct 06 13:07:45 <morphis> Herrie: thanks
Oct 06 13:19:28 <Tofe> Morning!
Oct 06 13:19:36 <Tofe> I see I've got some debug to do :)
Oct 06 13:20:33 <morphis> Tofe: morning
Oct 06 13:20:42 <morphis> Tofe: yeah, Herrie found some small bugs
Oct 06 13:30:55 <morphis> Tofe: btw. did you took a look at the StatusBarServicesConnector?
Oct 06 13:32:24 <Tofe> not yet, I'm working on the launchar layout, to fix the icons sizes
Oct 06 13:34:27 <morphis> ok
Oct 06 13:35:09 <morphis> Tofe: I have on other quick thing: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/blob/master/qml/WindowManager/WindowManager.qml#L157
Oct 06 13:35:22 <morphis> postEvent is only a method of the CompositorWindow class not part of the Compositor
Oct 06 13:36:07 <Tofe> Oh, I misread it
Oct 06 13:37:06 <HaDAk> hey gusy
Oct 06 13:37:13 <HaDAk> question for ya
Oct 06 13:37:34 <HaDAk> to get the cert update from the app store -- just manually roll back the time, and update the system?
Oct 06 13:38:05 <Tofe> that worked for me, IIRC
Oct 06 13:38:12 <HaDAk> sweet.
Oct 06 13:45:52 <Razzoom> Hi, I have a question
Oct 06 13:46:03 <HaDAk> shoot
Oct 06 13:46:34 <Razzoom> Is there a way to port Open webOS on to Galaxy Y?
Oct 06 13:46:52 <morphis> Razzoom: yes
Oct 06 13:47:03 <Razzoom> Really?
Oct 06 13:47:08 <morphis> but I doubt you want to go that way :)
Oct 06 13:47:33 <Razzoom> i own one and wanted to spice it up...
Oct 06 13:47:34 <morphis> and you wont have a usable system anyway
Oct 06 13:47:43 <morphis> no telephony etc.
Oct 06 13:48:13 <Razzoom> But I already have a new phone, a HUAWEI. I don't need it anymore.
Oct 06 13:48:26 <Razzoom> But I don't want to sell it that quickly.
Oct 06 13:48:30 <morphis> ok, it's running Andorid 2.3.5, right?
Oct 06 13:48:33 <HaDAk> i like the enthusiasm
Oct 06 13:48:50 <morphis> Razzoom: if yes, then don't waste your time
Oct 06 13:49:17 <Razzoom> It's running InfintyV1 iOS custom rom on 2.3.6
Oct 06 13:49:53 <morphis> don't waste your time with it
Oct 06 13:49:57 <Razzoom> Why?
Oct 06 13:50:28 <morphis> we invested quite some time to get Open webOS (better named it a highly customized version of it) onto Android devices but we're only supporting 4.x
Oct 06 13:50:34 <Razzoom> I just want to have something fresh and webOS-like,
Oct 06 13:50:35 <morphis> 2.x is a different story
Oct 06 13:50:47 <morphis> Razzoom: for what do you want it? for every day use?
Oct 06 13:51:02 <Razzoom> I just want it for a toy.
Oct 06 13:51:16 <morphis> ok
Oct 06 13:51:19 <Razzoom> Maybe a bit of use when needed.
Oct 06 13:51:52 <morphis> Razzoom: as I said it will be without telephony functionality and you have do the port on your own which isn't something you do in some hours
Oct 06 13:52:08 <Razzoom> I don't care about telephony
Oct 06 13:52:12 <morphis> ok
Oct 06 13:52:23 <morphis> how much experience do you have with linux?
Oct 06 13:52:26 <Razzoom> I use a HUAWEI ASCEND G510 as my main phone
Oct 06 13:52:37 <Razzoom> Uh, no experience.
Oct 06 13:52:46 <morphis> no experience?
Oct 06 13:53:09 <morphis> you can try doing that but it will we be a very high learning curve
Oct 06 13:53:18 <Razzoom> None. Only burning Live CD's and getting it to work
Oct 06 13:53:36 <morphis> Razzoom: then first try playing with our efforts
Oct 06 13:53:37 <Razzoom> Is there like a guide?
Oct 06 13:53:42 <morphis> not really
Oct 06 13:54:00 <morphis> I started one but if you never compiled any software for linux or played with it
Oct 06 13:54:05 <morphis> things will be very hard
Oct 06 13:54:08 <Razzoom> Or something to type in?
Oct 06 13:54:36 <morphis> porting isn't just a guide you can follow easily
Oct 06 13:54:54 <morphis> putting mobile operating systems onto devices isn't like installing OS on a PC
Oct 06 13:55:06 <Razzoom> Sorry if I'm helpless but i really tried once.
Oct 06 13:55:27 <morphis> Razzoom: you could starting with playing around with our emulator: http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Emulator
Oct 06 13:55:40 <Razzoom> I almost managed to get Open webOS on via Limbo PC Emulator.
Oct 06 13:56:48 <morphis> ah
Oct 06 13:57:12 <Razzoom> Maybe there's a way to customise the penkia image?
Oct 06 13:57:22 <morphis> to put it onto your device?
Oct 06 13:57:35 <Razzoom> yes...
Oct 06 13:58:05 <morphis> I wont go that way ..
Oct 06 13:58:31 <Razzoom> but surely there must be a way!
Oct 06 13:58:43 <Razzoom> IF THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY!
Oct 06 13:59:01 <morphis> for sure but do you have enough time and skills to go that way?
Oct 06 13:59:35 <Razzoom> It depends...
Oct 06 14:00:21 <morphis> trust me I am doing this for quite some time and experienced all the ups and downs and it's my job to build things like that
Oct 06 14:00:52 <morphis> if you want to learn about how to do this, start looking at our efforts, get familiar with OE
Oct 06 14:00:58 <morphis> build our emulator image on your own
Oct 06 14:01:05 <morphis> etc.
Oct 06 14:01:28 <Razzoom> okay... my idea is a slightly modified GNexus or Penk image
Oct 06 14:02:06 <morphis> that wont work ...
Oct 06 14:02:20 <morphis> we're building device specific images
Oct 06 14:02:37 <morphis> and without modifying the source you will end up in a mess
Oct 06 14:03:18 <Razzoom> aha... I was thinking GALAXY Y because it's affordable and it's supported by xda like almost nothing else
Oct 06 14:03:48 <morphis> supports by XDA means customized Android images?
Oct 06 14:04:16 <Razzoom> Yeah! Like the Monochromatic WP8 image
Oct 06 14:04:30 <morphis> ???
Oct 06 14:04:39 <Razzoom> Or InvinityV1 iOS image
Oct 06 14:04:50 <Razzoom> all based on Android
Oct 06 14:06:20 <morphis> but they are still a customized android?
Oct 06 14:06:40 <Razzoom> yes! ALL BASED ON GINGERBREAD!
Oct 06 14:07:10 <Razzoom> EVEN A CUSTOM ANDROID LOOKING LIKE WEBOS WOULD BE GREAT!
Oct 06 14:07:34 <morphis> that they are based on gingerbread means nothing for webOS ...
Oct 06 14:07:56 <Razzoom> but look at the possibilities!
Oct 06 14:08:12 <morphis> which possiblities?
Oct 06 14:09:29 <Razzoom> If xda can make Android look like WP8 or iOS or MeeGo... maybe... just maybe... WE CAN MAKE ANDROID LOOK LIKE WEBOS WITH ALL APPS!
Oct 06 14:09:45 <morphis> who wants that?
Oct 06 14:09:56 <morphis> webOS isn't only a look-and-feel
Oct 06 14:10:58 <Razzoom> people can make apps that look like webOS APPS!
Oct 06 14:12:44 <Razzoom> port the browser!
Oct 06 14:12:54 <Razzoom> port Just Type!
Oct 06 14:12:59 <Razzoom> PORT IT ALL!
Oct 06 14:15:03 <Garfonso> Anybody here that wants to test the carddav connector with owncloud? Seems to be working for me.
Oct 06 14:15:18 <Razzoom> Sorry if that got a bit out of hand... but,,,
Oct 06 14:15:34 <Garfonso> or anybody knows which URL to use for google and caldav?
Oct 06 14:17:28 <morphis> Garfonso: me
Oct 06 14:17:43 <morphis> Razzoom: things aren't that easy ..
Oct 06 14:18:14 <Razzoom> i know.
Oct 06 14:19:35 <Herrie> Anyone here by any chance tried outlook.com calendar with linked/imported calendar on Android? I get the linked calendar items in webOS 2.2.4 and 3.0.5 but Android 4.1.2 only seems to get the main calendar but not the linked one :S
Oct 06 14:20:39 <Garfonso> github is down? or is this just me?
Oct 06 14:21:12 <Herrie> Seems OK: https://status.github.com/
Oct 06 14:21:20 <JaMa> https://github.com/status
Oct 06 14:21:27 <Tofe> Seems ok for me too.
Oct 06 14:21:55 <Garfonso> strange. Always get 500 internal server error...
Oct 06 14:22:12 <Herrie> Android seems to officially suck... Cannot get this linked Exchange calendar to work... While no problems in webOS...
Oct 06 14:22:54 <Garfonso> morphis: https://www.dropbox.com/s/liisrcairkbwfyk/org.webosports.service.contacts.carddav_0.1.0_all.ipk
Oct 06 14:24:08 <Garfonso> use something like https://server/owncloud/remote.php/carddav/ as URL. That is important for owncloud.
Oct 06 14:24:25 <Garfonso> can anybody access: https://github.com/Garfonso/org.webosports.service.contacts.carddav ?
Oct 06 14:24:52 <Herrie> Getting a waiting for Github... Definately slow...
Oct 06 14:24:56 <HaDAk> Garfonso: doesn't look like it...
Oct 06 14:24:57 <Herrie> 500 here too
Oct 06 14:25:01 <HaDAk> 500.
Oct 06 14:25:15 <Garfonso> so I broke github? ;)
Oct 06 14:25:19 <HaDAk> nice ;D
Oct 06 14:25:38 <HaDAk> https://status.github.com/
Oct 06 14:25:48 <HaDAk> i think all those peaks are from you :P
Oct 06 14:26:08 <HaDAk> 14:22 UTC A small percentage of git repositories are currently unavailable due to emergency maintenance on one of our fileserver pairs.
Oct 06 14:26:44 <Garfonso> ah. Now I see this message, too..
Oct 06 14:37:38 <Tofe> Herrie: wow, your screenshot is a bit worrying indeed: no status bar, no rounded corner, no gesture area... weird. I'll try to reproduce that.
Oct 06 14:38:28 <HaDAk> screenshot?
Oct 06 14:39:53 <Tofe> HaDAk: http://issues.webos-ports.org/attachments/23/nogesturearea.png
Oct 06 14:40:12 <HaDAk> that's not prelude?
Oct 06 14:40:21 * HaDAk shudders
Oct 06 14:40:34 <morphis> HaDAk: right, thats one bug we need to fix
Oct 06 14:40:43 <HaDAk> no kidding. huge bug. top priority, imo.
Oct 06 14:40:52 <HaDAk> it's not webos without prelude.
Oct 06 14:40:53 <Garfonso> tofe: it looks the same for me.
Oct 06 14:41:07 <HaDAk> heh. i've been trying to get prelude as my default system font on android…but i can't figure out how. :(
Oct 06 14:41:16 * Tofe goes big-bug-hunting
Oct 06 14:41:17 <HaDAk> android sucks. it's too obfuscated.
Oct 06 14:41:37 <morphis>  Tofe: currentActiveWindowWrapper.postEvent(EventType.CoreNaviBack); <- is that correct?
Oct 06 14:42:16 <Tofe> morphis: well, it is then forwarded to the wrapped window, which is a Compositor Window, isn't it ?
Oct 06 14:42:36 <Herrie> WEll this was still latest VMDK
Oct 06 14:42:52 <Herrie> Could be it's fixed in more recent builds? The latest VMDK I could find is 1 week old... 30 of Sep
Oct 06 14:44:50 <Herrie> Just latest on http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports/images/qemux86/ is from 30th
Oct 06 14:44:51 <morphis> Herrie: opkg info luna-next-cardshell will be helpful
Oct 06 14:45:06 <Tofe> Herrie: I didn't notice anything special on the desktop QML execution, which is possible, but weird given all that has to be QML-broken to achieve this screenshot
Oct 06 14:46:10 <Herrie> OK should SSH into it?
Oct 06 14:46:35 <ka6sox-away> JaMa, sorry, attempting to fix
Oct 06 14:46:52 <Tofe> Herrie: no no, I should be able to reproduce that quite easily :)
Oct 06 14:47:01 <Tofe> I'm just thinking aloud
Oct 06 14:49:40 <Tofe> Oh. 20KB/s... I'll maybe recompile the image, it'll be faster :)
Oct 06 14:50:06 <Herrie> http://pastebin.com/wGBwvWcE
Oct 06 14:50:19 <Herrie> That's the opkg info
Oct 06 14:51:14 <Tofe> Herrie: what about luna-next-cardshell ?
Oct 06 14:52:05 <Herrie> Cardshell: http://pastebin.com/yHyCiQbb
Oct 06 14:53:45 <Tofe> mmmh. Nothing looking that impacting, but there must be one somewhere
Oct 06 14:56:35 <Tofe> I think I'll schedule a daily download of the emulator image, for this kind of situation
Oct 06 14:56:50 <Herrie> Thing is it doesn't seem updated daily, only weekly?
Oct 06 14:57:08 <HaDAk> manually copied prelude over top of roboto. fuggit. this'll work.
Oct 06 14:57:54 <Herrie> HaDAk: LOL
Oct 06 14:58:09 <HaDAk> :)
Oct 06 14:58:13 <Tofe> Herrie: or on-demand; but that's not a problem, I'll only download it if it has a different timestamp
Oct 06 14:58:16 <HaDAk> i aim to please...myself.
Oct 06 14:58:51 <Herrie> Android sucks :P For example my linked calendar on Outlook.com (it's for the wife with her schedule for uni) that doesn't work without creating a GMail account which is a completely unnecessary step :S
Oct 06 14:59:02 <Herrie> Works out of the box on webOS :P
Oct 06 14:59:18 <HaDAk> cool. my phone isn't booting now. :(
Oct 06 14:59:50 <JaMa> ka6sox-away: np
Oct 06 15:00:34 <HaDAk> just sayin'...http://hashtagstudios.tv/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/fix-it-felix_4870880_lrg.jpg
Oct 06 15:04:22 <Herrie> So I guess the wife will have to live with a Pre3 to replace her "too small" Veer :P
Oct 06 15:09:04 <HaDAk> huh. weird. it didn't like the prelude bold ttf. was coring out.
Oct 06 15:09:15 <HaDAk> Herrie: must be tough being your wife ;)
Oct 06 15:09:51 <HaDAk> so, my phone now has rounded corners and prelude
Oct 06 15:11:43 <HaDAk> still not webos, but.. http://cl.ly/image/2A052N0h1m41
Oct 06 15:13:48 <morphis> Tofe: ah I see
Oct 06 15:14:08 <morphis> Tofe: merged
Oct 06 15:14:27 <HaDAk> now i just need to replace my icons with webos icons.
Oct 06 15:16:05 <HaDAk> anyone have a zip of all the default icons?
Oct 06 15:29:27 <Herrie> Well not tough, but if it requires to create a GMail account to get this calendar stuff working, I'll pass :P
Oct 06 15:30:09 <Herrie> Nice lady LOL :P
Oct 06 15:36:41 <HaDAk> heh
Oct 06 15:36:49 <HaDAk> mila kunis
Oct 06 15:46:53 <Herrie> LOL now you say I recognize her :P
Oct 06 15:47:05 <HaDAk> ;)
Oct 06 15:59:37 <Herrie> Tofe: Let me know when there's a new emu image to test ;)
Oct 06 16:06:41 <HaDAk> that's better. http://cl.ly/image/3N2h0X0A1I1E
Oct 06 16:07:08 <HaDAk> whaddya think, Herrie ?
Oct 06 16:16:20 <Herrie> That looks quite webOS-ish, still sucky Android but well, as good as it gets I guess... Android (non)multi-tasking still sucks...
Oct 06 16:22:37 <HaDAk> working on changing battery, signal, and wifi icons.
Oct 06 16:22:55 <HaDAk> i agree that android is shit
Oct 06 16:22:59 <HaDAk> but until webos comes up to par..
Oct 06 16:29:24 <HaDAk> ok, changed the wifi icon. rebooting to see if it bricks or sticks.
Oct 06 16:30:06 <HaDAk> bricks XD
Oct 06 19:10:35 <HaDAk> creating a palm profile on device isn't working.
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