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Oct 12 13:11:45 <morphis> morning
Oct 12 13:11:49 <morphis> Tofe: ping
Oct 12 13:12:11 <Tofe> morning
Oct 12 13:12:14 <Tofe> morphis: pong
Oct 12 13:13:07 <morphis> Tofe: did I told you already about the focus problem when you closed an application?
Oct 12 13:13:50 <Tofe> morphis: not sure
Oct 12 13:14:04 <Tofe> I'm working right now on the focus, to have some keyboard shortcuts
Oct 12 13:14:07 <morphis> once I close an application I can't interact with the launcher anymore
Oct 12 13:14:58 <Tofe> why do you say it's a focus issue ?
Oct 12 13:15:39 <morphis> is my first suggestion
Oct 12 13:16:20 <Tofe> is it only that you can't launch apps, or that you can't for example expand the launcher ?
Oct 12 13:17:09 <morphis> expanding the launcher doesn't work
Oct 12 13:18:26 <Tofe> oki
Oct 12 13:30:22 <Tofe> https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/pull/22 <-- some keyboard shortcuts
Oct 12 13:35:32 <Tofe> morphis: I can also see a shift between my click location in the emulator and the reticular position
Oct 12 13:36:07 <morphis> Tofe: still with the latest modifications to luna-next/cardshell?
Oct 12 13:36:30 <Tofe> ah, maybe I'm missing the latest luna-next, you're right
Oct 12 13:36:35 <morphis> yes
Oct 12 13:41:01 <morphis> Tofe: "event.key <= 0x0ff" <- does that mean you show just type for a limited range of keys?
Oct 12 13:41:54 <morphis> or where is the handling of the specific keys?
Oct 12 13:42:42 <Tofe> morphis: yes, I'm trying to limit the JustType capture to only the alphanum keys
Oct 12 13:42:52 <Tofe> the rest is handled by the GestureArea itself
Oct 12 13:42:56 <morphis> ah
Oct 12 13:43:12 <Tofe> because, well, these are shortcuts to the gestures, actually
Oct 12 13:43:17 <morphis> can you make 0x0ff somewhat more readable?
Oct 12 13:43:37 <Tofe> ok, I'll define a formal value
Oct 12 13:48:15 <Tofe> done, I've re-pushed
Oct 12 13:48:49 <Tofe> I introduced a __isDisplayableKey function, a bit more human understandable
Oct 12 13:49:45 <morphis> ok
Oct 12 13:49:57 <Tofe> morphis: the reticle still shows up shifted down-right, in the emulator
Oct 12 13:50:13 <morphis> hm
Oct 12 13:50:25 <morphis> btw. you pushed also a debugFocus.js
Oct 12 13:50:42 <Tofe> morphis: ah, yes, taken from Ubuntu
Oct 12 13:50:47 <morphis> ah
Oct 12 13:50:55 <Tofe> GPLv3, isn't it ?
Oct 12 13:51:15 <morphis> yeah
Oct 12 13:51:22 <morphis> can you add it with a separate commit?
Oct 12 13:51:58 <Tofe> oh, sure.
Oct 12 13:54:06 <morphis> btw. I added some web applications: https://github.com/webOS-ports/web-apps
Oct 12 13:56:46 <Tofe> morphis: here you go. I've rework the main commit too, it now looks better in 4 parts.
Oct 12 13:58:14 <Tofe> morphis: ah, if we have a twitter app, we can go official :p
Oct 12 14:00:58 <Tofe> morphis: I closed an app in the emulator, the rest still works; note that I closed it with swipe up, not in a violent way
Oct 12 14:04:52 <morphis> hm
Oct 12 14:05:03 <morphis> maybe the closing it differently causes a problem
Oct 12 14:05:42 <Tofe> you encountered the bug when closing it from outside ?
Oct 12 14:05:56 <Tofe> because then the path of events is a bit different
Oct 12 14:06:06 <morphis> with both ways
Oct 12 14:06:46 <Tofe> for the reticle, I think there's simply a miscalculation between the top-left corner position and the center position of the reticle, on LunaNext side
Oct 12 14:07:40 <morphis> Tofe: merged
Oct 12 14:07:46 <Tofe> thanks
Oct 12 14:07:57 <morphis> Tofe: that could be possible
Oct 12 14:13:45 <Tofe> morphis: how do you close a webapp from outside of luna-next ?
Oct 12 14:14:04 <morphis> pkill WebAppMgr
Oct 12 14:14:32 <Tofe> oh. I would have thought this was a bit too violent. Okay then, let's slash some PIDs
Oct 12 14:15:03 <morphis> Tofe: the problem is that when the webappmgr segfaults it's automatically restarted by systemd
Oct 12 14:15:18 <morphis> so once we have this case we need to sure luna-next handles this case
Oct 12 14:15:27 <morphis> as through development this can happen quite often
Oct 12 14:15:51 <Tofe> still fine on the emulator after murdering WAM
Oct 12 14:16:37 <Tofe> (I had two apps running)
Oct 12 14:22:00 <Herrie> morphis/ToFe: I also had that the reticle position was indeed a bit off in VBOX emu with y'day's image ;) Good to see the keyboard shortcuts are back :)
Oct 12 14:22:33 <Herrie> morphis: PayPal can also be done easily ;)
Oct 12 14:22:44 <Herrie> mobile.paypal.com
Oct 12 14:22:46 <morphis> Herrie: you want paypal on your phone?
Oct 12 14:23:02 <morphis> Herrie: feel free to provide any further web apps you want :)
Oct 12 14:23:17 <morphis> but paypal is a bit critical
Oct 12 14:23:18 <Herrie> Why not :P
Oct 12 14:23:21 <Herrie> Yeah LOL
Oct 12 14:23:31 <Herrie> Eventually would like it ;) Use it quite often actually
Oct 12 14:23:49 <morphis> Herrie: if you want just add it
Oct 12 14:23:57 <morphis> Herrie: the structure is quite simple
Oct 12 14:24:09 <Herrie> OK will play sometime.... Another one I came across recently on my trip to Dubai: http://mobile.emirates.com/
Oct 12 14:24:16 <Herrie> Quite good too, I know it's specific but well ;)
Oct 12 14:24:16 <morphis> https://github.com/webOS-ports/web-apps/blob/master/org.webosports.app.wikipedia/appinfo.json is quite simple
Oct 12 14:24:35 <morphis> https://github.com/webOS-ports/web-apps/blob/master/org.webosports.app.wikipedia/index.html takes the url to the site
Oct 12 14:24:38 <Herrie> I can manage that
Oct 12 14:24:44 <Herrie> Will add some...
Oct 12 14:24:51 <morphis> and you need an icon
Oct 12 14:24:58 <Herrie> OK
Oct 12 14:25:07 <Herrie> Need to setup my GitHub sometime and will work on them
Oct 12 14:25:07 <morphis> Herrie: but please only add ones which are needed by more people
Oct 12 14:25:14 <Herrie> OK ;)
Oct 12 14:25:17 <morphis> like amazon, ebay, ...
Oct 12 14:25:35 <morphis> maybe we add some functionality later to create them on the fly from the browser
Oct 12 14:25:54 <Herrie> OK
Oct 12 14:35:06 <morphis> Tofe: which calculation did you mean for the reticle item?
Oct 12 14:39:24 <morphis> wow there was a spotify app for webOS
Oct 12 14:46:05 <morphis> wow, thats really nice they supply a libspotify c library to access the service
Oct 12 14:59:06 <Tofe> morphis: setX(pos.x) should be setX(pos.x-width/2), for instance
Oct 12 14:59:36 <morphis> Tofe: where?
Oct 12 14:59:44 <morphis> ah I see
Oct 12 15:00:58 <morphis> let me fix that
Oct 12 15:01:26 <Tofe> oki
Oct 12 15:20:42 <Herrie> Morphis: What if I create a ton of webapps even if not used by everyone that could be enabled/disabled somewhere in teh OS?
Oct 12 15:20:49 <Herrie> Better to have more than less?
Oct 12 15:21:45 <morphis> Herrie: my aim was to have some common mobile web sites prepackaged
Oct 12 15:22:05 <morphis> like gmail, twitter, youtube, wikipedia to have something
Oct 12 15:22:19 <morphis> if we get real app replacements for them we can drop them
Oct 12 15:22:50 <Herrie> OK
Oct 12 15:23:24 <Herrie> I don't need apps if the mobile website is fine. I never understood why there were so many apps while a proper mobile site could suffice and support more platforms
Oct 12 15:23:40 <Herrie> Especially with HTML5 which has tons of possibilities
Oct 12 15:26:21 <morphis> Herrie: it works without internet connectivity if you have a local app
Oct 12 15:27:00 <Tofe> morphis: maybe we could have a look at the Firefox Marketplace ?
Oct 12 15:27:15 <Herrie> Yeah but most apps need internet connectivity for anything useful
Oct 12 15:27:28 <Herrie> For Gmail we can use email app for Twitter Macaw Enyo?
Oct 12 15:27:38 <morphis> Herrie: yeah
Oct 12 15:27:53 <Herrie> For youtube and wikipedia I doubt that any app is much use without internet connection
Oct 12 15:28:38 <morphis> Herrie: for example a wikipedia app could save pages for offline use
Oct 12 15:28:46 <Tofe> "Please wait during initial wikipedia full download... Be patient, this may take some weeks on an Edge connection" :p
Oct 12 15:28:52 <Herrie> Ah ok... Something like readitlater can do?
Oct 12 15:29:29 <morphis> :)
Oct 12 15:29:35 <morphis> Herrie: yeah
Oct 12 15:29:38 <Herrie> How about supporting Mojo apps somehow? I know it's not opensourced and cannot be redistributed, but having some script to pull in a Doctor and copy the framework should be possible? Not sure how all the hooking would work?
Oct 12 15:29:53 <morphis> Herrie: could be possible
Oct 12 15:30:01 <morphis> just someone needs to do the job :)
Oct 12 15:30:17 <Herrie> Yeah LOL, not sure up who's street that is? DKirker? or.... ?
Oct 12 15:30:34 <morphis> and someone needs to package macaw to put it into our feed which ka6sox-away set up
Oct 12 15:31:32 <Herrie> I guess I could manage packaging that up ;)
Oct 12 15:31:33 <morphis> a lot to do :)
Oct 12 15:31:39 <Herrie> I've done that in the past sometimes ;)
Oct 12 15:32:03 <Herrie> Can we still use IPK or.... ?
Oct 12 15:33:09 <morphis> yeah, it's the same
Oct 12 15:34:53 <Herrie> OK :)
Oct 12 15:35:02 <Herrie> Will try to get to it sometime ;)
Oct 12 15:51:26 <ka6sox> what is Macaw?
Oct 12 15:59:42 <Herrie> Macaw-Enyo = Enyo Twitter client ;)
Oct 12 16:00:18 <Herrie> Project Macaw = updated Phnx Twitter client for webOS (but still in Mojo). Macaw-Enyo = Enyo 2 rewrite of this ;)
Oct 12 16:00:51 <Herrie> https://github.com/minego/macaw-enyo
Oct 12 16:01:56 <Herrie> Project Macaw in Mojo is I guess the best Twitter client for legacy webOS currently both on TP and phones. Works great even on my small Veer ;)
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