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Oct 28 06:14:07 <Herrie> LG's G-Flex looks interesting, how nice it would be to have webOS on it :D
Oct 28 06:53:54 <morphis> morning
Oct 28 09:15:49 <Tofe> morning
Oct 28 09:16:34 <Tofe> morphis: I won't have the opportunity to continue my tests today, but all my work is in luna-next and luna-next-cardshell,  in tofe/work branches
Oct 28 09:17:33 <Tofe> However I might find some time to start a little refactoring of main.qml for first use
Oct 28 09:36:21 <morphis> Tofe: morning
Oct 28 09:36:37 <morphis> Tofe: ok, first use would be also a good thing
Oct 28 09:36:52 <morphis> Tofe: maybe I've some time later today to look into the maliit issue
Oct 28 09:37:10 <Tofe> morphis: do you know what API is to be called for first use ?
Oct 28 09:37:20 <morphis> yeah, one  moment
Oct 28 09:38:47 <morphis> Tofe: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-sysmgr/blob/webOS-ports/master/Src/base/SystemService.cpp#L2485
Oct 28 09:38:56 <Tofe> thx
Oct 28 09:38:59 <morphis> Tofe: ah and make sure you subscribe to it!
Oct 28 09:39:10 <morphis> as the firstuse app will change it
Oct 28 09:39:39 <Tofe> morphis: yep, I'll use the same kind of code you use for preferences
Oct 28 09:39:54 <morphis> ok
Oct 28 09:40:18 <morphis> hm, I see right now that  the code of the service doesn't something different to determine the first use status
Oct 28 09:40:24 <morphis> need to change this
Oct 28 09:48:35 <morphis> Tofe: you need to include https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-sysmgr/commit/f113795c65ba4919d4181124bcd3400cd0e3f630 in your testings
Oct 28 09:49:17 <morphis> Tofe: btw. can we add some simple boot screen to luna-next?
Oct 28 09:49:47 <morphis> showing only a logo and fading over to the UI after 2/3 seconds (we will replace this later with some real boot logic)
Oct 28 10:00:07 <Tofe> morphis: the boot screen should be possible yes
Oct 28 10:34:40 <Tofe> morphis: do we still show the status bar and gesture area for the first use?
Oct 28 11:02:27 <morphis> no
Oct 28 11:39:44 <Tofe> morphis: In that case, I have a first draft. With boot logo.
Oct 28 11:40:37 <Tofe> Can't push right now though, not before I test on a device/emulator
Oct 28 11:52:01 <morphis> Tofe: if you push I can test it
Oct 28 11:55:37 <Tofe> welll technically, I can't :)
Oct 28 11:55:51 <DDURI> Hi. today I tried to flash the webos-image to N4. but I can't
Oct 28 11:56:40 <morphis> DDURI: which image did you use?
Oct 28 11:56:45 <DDURI> not N4, Galaxy Nexus
Oct 28 11:56:50 <morphis> DDURI: and we're not supporting the N4 yet
Oct 28 11:56:51 <morphis> ah
Oct 28 11:57:12 <morphis> DDURI: which guide did you use?
Oct 28 11:57:15 <DDURI> I downloaded in http://build.webos-ports.org/alpha2/
Oct 28 11:57:45 <DDURI> Power off the Gnex and activate the bootloader (hold Vol. Up + Vol. Down + Power)
Oct 28 11:57:48 <DDURI> Is it correct?
Oct 28 11:57:51 <morphis> yes
Oct 28 11:57:56 <DDURI> hold Vol. Up + Power ?
Oct 28 11:58:00 <DDURI> not Vol Down..
Oct 28 11:58:06 <morphis> http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing_Gnex
Oct 28 11:58:26 <morphis> thats the correct guide for the Alpha 2 release (which still contains the Open webOS UI)
Oct 28 11:58:44 <morphis> DDURI: you want something more recent?
Oct 28 11:58:58 <DDURI> Yes I did it. but I can't flash.
Oct 28 11:59:19 <morphis> ok, lets go step by step:
Oct 28 11:59:26 <DDURI> anything is ok nowadays. Currently I wanna flash the image to my GNex.
Oct 28 11:59:35 <morphis> for alpha 2 simply follow: http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing_Gnex
Oct 28 11:59:48 <DDURI> Sure I follow that today
Oct 28 12:00:06 <morphis> so you copied the ext2 on the device?
Oct 28 12:00:28 <DDURI> adb push webos-ports-dev-image-maguro.ext2 /storage/sdcard0/linux/rootfs.ext2?
Oct 28 12:00:31 <morphis> right
Oct 28 12:00:55 <DDURI> hum..
Oct 28 12:00:59 <DDURI> the directory is not existed
Oct 28 12:01:00 <morphis> that worked?
Oct 28 12:01:14 <morphis> which android version do you have on the device?
Oct 28 12:02:29 <DDURI> Maybe ice
Oct 28 12:02:53 <DDURI> I didn't check that. I tried to do that in my office. now I'm at home.
Oct 28 12:04:06 <DDURI> Which version do you use
Oct 28 12:04:07 <DDURI> ?
Oct 28 12:04:30 <morphis> DDURI:  puuh, the way to flash webOS on the device has changed so it's not dependent on the version anymore
Oct 28 12:04:46 <morphis> DDURI: lets do the following:
Oct 28 12:04:53 <DDURI> ok
Oct 28 12:05:03 <morphis> DDURI: download http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/wip/images/maguro/webos-ports-package-maguro.zip
Oct 28 12:05:26 <morphis> DDURI: then follow http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing_Nexus_7 (it says N7 but its the same for Galaxy Nexus)
Oct 28 12:06:14 <DDURI> Ok.
Oct 28 12:06:20 <DDURI> I'll try tomorrow
Oct 28 12:08:46 <morphis> ok
Oct 28 12:09:04 <DDURI> Now Can I use the image as phone?
Oct 28 12:09:12 <DDURI> I means that it supports sms and call?
Oct 28 12:09:15 <DDURI> 3G?
Oct 28 12:09:50 <morphis> no
Oct 28 12:10:00 <morphis> we're missing still a phone application
Oct 28 12:10:18 <morphis> on the service level we've everything (ofono + webos-telephonyd) but the UI isn't there yet
Oct 28 12:10:50 <DDURI> yes. So Can I call by luna-send?
Oct 28 12:11:33 <morphis> yes
Oct 28 12:12:10 <DDURI> cool. Just you're missing UI..
Oct 28 12:12:51 <DDURI> Can I use 3G data as well?
Oct 28 12:12:59 <DDURI> That's not required UI. right?
Oct 28 12:13:17 <DDURI> Tomorrow I'll try it.
Oct 28 12:14:57 <DDURI> Also it's not working "http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Maguro_Build_Setup"
Oct 28 12:15:21 <DDURI> MACHINE=maguro bb webos-ports-dev-image
Oct 28 12:19:24 <morphis> ?
Oct 28 12:19:50 <morphis> DDURI: currently noone enables 3G in the system but theoretically everything is there to use it
Oct 28 12:21:55 <DDURI> ok cool
Oct 28 12:26:30 <morphis> DDURI: whats not working with setting up the build system?
Oct 28 12:36:20 <Herrie> morphis: Do we already have audio & video playback bits in the image? Do we already have an app we can use for it as well or that's something that needs to be developed still? Is that something that could be easily done with QT or we'd like to use Enyo with palmservice?
Oct 28 12:37:07 <morphis> Herrie: it's still something which needs to be tested and verified that things are working as expected
Oct 28 12:37:22 <morphis> but for things like hardware accelerated video playback we still have a to do some work
Oct 28 12:37:40 <morphis> I am planing to use the code the Ubuntu Touch guys wrote for this
Oct 28 12:37:48 <morphis> Herrie: but app wise we still need somethin
Oct 28 12:38:03 <morphis> Garfonso is really soon going to reimplement the media indexer service
Oct 28 12:38:49 <Herrie> OK I could look around to see if there are any existing Enyo players that we could use as a basis when I got some time?
Oct 28 12:39:14 <morphis> that would be really great
Oct 28 12:39:19 <morphis> like some media player app
Oct 28 12:39:30 <Herrie> I know there are some for the TP
Oct 28 12:39:50 <Herrie> In case it's open source we could use it or maybe contact the author to see if he's allowing us to use the code as basis :)
Oct 28 12:41:45 <morphis> Herrie: sounds good
Oct 28 12:42:48 <morphis> Herrie: if they use the html5 audio/video element thats very good then
Oct 28 14:48:05 <Herrie> HaDAk: Ping
Oct 28 14:48:12 <HaDAk> Herrie: pong
Oct 28 14:48:32 <Herrie> YOu had a chance to look at which images we'd like from the Doctor?
Oct 28 14:49:40 <HaDAk> nope. i'll do that this morning though.
Oct 28 14:54:16 <Herrie> Great, can send it over to Enda then and see what he could get for us :)
Oct 28 15:13:27 <HaDAk> i'm going to put a lot of general OS resources in there too
Oct 28 15:13:35 <HaDAk> stuff that would help us polish luna-next
Oct 28 15:13:47 * HaDAk is working on this now
Oct 28 15:26:50 <Herrie> :D
Oct 28 15:41:33 <HaDAk> Herrie: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3367791
Oct 28 15:41:44 <HaDAk> it's not a complete list of what would be helpful, but it's enough to keep us rollin' for a LONG time
Oct 28 15:43:01 <Tofe> HaDAk: all of them are Apache2 licensed ?
Oct 28 15:43:18 <HaDAk> Tofe: they're all in the webos doctor for 3.0.5
Oct 28 15:43:42 <HaDAk> ideally, we'd be able to use these for our own devious purposes.
Oct 28 15:44:21 <Tofe> yes, that'd be great; do we know who to contact to know if that will be possible ?
Oct 28 15:45:07 <HaDAk> Herrie is taking care of it.
Oct 28 15:45:13 <ka6sox> HaDAk, if heard "our own devious purposes" i'd think 2x about releasing to us.
Oct 28 15:45:27 <HaDAk> ka6sox: yadda yadda
Oct 28 15:45:41 <HaDAk> obviously, we're working on a webos porn and we need these icons for it.
Oct 28 15:56:30 <HaDAk> rough crowd this morning
Oct 28 15:57:03 <HaDAk> no grouper builds this past week, eh?
Oct 28 15:57:04 <HaDAk> bummer
Oct 28 16:14:05 <ka6sox> HaDAk, the sources and recipies are all there for you to build them.
Oct 28 16:23:25 <Herrie> HaDAk: Thnx for the list. Will put a purpose next to it and send to Enda with CC to ka6sox
Oct 28 16:24:20 <Herrie> It's huge, not sure Enda will be too happy with such a huge list LOL :P
Oct 28 17:22:33 <HaDAk> Herrie: i told you it was big. LOTS of them are series of images.
Oct 28 17:22:44 <HaDAk> like, network status icons, etc
Oct 28 18:01:59 <Herrie> I think we'll be overasking...
Oct 28 19:18:28 <HaDAk> Herrie|Work: perhaps.
Oct 28 19:18:35 <HaDAk> i'd be happy to talk to him though
Oct 28 19:21:08 <Herrie|Work> Well it's Enda asking HP... I'm quite sure HP would be OK with a couple or a dozen, but not with pretty much anything in webOS :P
Oct 28 19:23:05 <HaDAk> it's a smaller list than it appears to be
Oct 28 19:23:22 <HaDAk> most of what's in there are icons and interface elements
Oct 28 19:30:12 <Herrie|Work> Well it's almost 300 items ;)
Oct 28 19:35:46 <HaDAk> you're so hung up on that number :P
Oct 28 19:59:35 <HaDAk> i'll be damned. they already had a soft gesture area png
Oct 28 20:07:50 <HaDAk> Herrie|Work: i broke it down a bit more, so it makes more sense
Oct 28 20:07:50 <HaDAk> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3369199
Oct 28 20:07:55 <HaDAk> i gotta go now though
Oct 28 20:09:55 <ka6sox> HaDAk, that does help
Oct 28 20:31:37 <morphis> HaDAk: btw. did you checked wether some of those are already part of one of the openwebos components?
Oct 28 20:32:42 <morphis> HaDAk, HaDAk: whoever sends this out should try to add the component name from the webOS component those icons belongs too
Oct 28 20:32:47 <morphis> s/too/to/
Oct 28 20:33:01 <morphis> as otherwise it will get pretty hard for Enda/whoever will take a look at this list
Oct 28 20:33:30 <morphis> HaDAk: the wifi, bluetooth and mostly all statusbar icons are already part of luna-sysmgr
Oct 28 20:33:58 <morphis> it looks like I saw mostly the whole list somewhere in openwebos already
Oct 28 20:47:39 <Herrie|Work> morphis: For Enyo integration into webkit etc in Ports & OWO which repo's should I check? Wanted to have a go to see if I could get mojo working somehow when I have time ;)
Oct 28 20:48:39 <morphis> Herrie: the important thing which you need is the PalmSystem
Oct 28 20:48:46 <morphis> thats implemented as part of https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-webappmanager
Oct 28 20:49:05 <morphis> otherwise there are some callbacks the webappmanager calls within the app code
Oct 28 20:49:12 <morphis> which are not yet implemented
Oct 28 20:53:46 <Herrie> I see no references to Enyo there?
Oct 28 20:57:34 <ka6sox> morning Tofe
Oct 28 20:58:59 <Tofe> morning ka6sox !
Oct 28 20:59:46 <Tofe> morphis: I've pushed tofe/firstuse, but I just got home and didn't test it yet on device
Oct 28 20:59:55 <morphis> Tofe: hey
Oct 28 21:00:08 <morphis> Herrie: yeah, no direct Enyo references are needed :)
Oct 28 21:00:15 <morphis> everything is abstracted through the PalmSystem
Oct 28 21:03:01 <Tofe> morphis: ahah, I'm dumb. of course, the first app that gets launched is... the launcher :p
Oct 28 21:05:53 <morphis> Tofe: hm, right
Oct 28 21:05:56 <morphis> but it should
Oct 28 21:06:05 <morphis> that a problem in luna-sysmgr
Oct 28 21:06:12 <morphis> nothing you should care about
Oct 28 21:08:01 <morphis> Tofe: but looks really great!
Oct 28 21:08:59 <Tofe> :) thx
Oct 28 21:10:08 <morphis> Tofe: I think we can merge it as is and I will take care about integrating that with luna-sysmgr
Oct 28 21:11:49 <morphis> Tofe: hm
Oct 28 21:12:19 <morphis> Tofe: it will be a little bit complicate to get that fixed with just luna-sysmgr
Oct 28 21:13:08 <morphis> Tofe: can we do it like this: I will modify luna-webappmanager to set the app id as window property which we can then use within the cardshell to determine the right window to display
Oct 28 21:18:22 <morphis> Tofe: can you add a check for window.appId == "org.webosports.app.firstuse" in FirstUseShell.qml and move all other windows in some background model which is then moved over to the cardshell?
Oct 28 21:18:44 <morphis> (sounds like we really should move the window model into some central model)
Oct 28 21:32:05 <morphis> Tofe: hm, maybe there is another way
Oct 28 21:32:13 <morphis> let me try that one first tomorrow
Oct 28 21:38:24 <Tofe> morphis: I'll wait for tomorrow :)
Oct 28 21:45:56 <Tofe> gn8 all !
Oct 29 00:53:08 <HaDAk_> anyone 'round?
Oct 29 00:55:42 <scoutcamper> i am.
Oct 29 00:55:57 <HaDAk_> scoutcamper, do you know anything about low-level c stuff?
Oct 29 00:56:44 <scoutcamper> not much
Oct 29 01:34:00 <LarrySteeze> HaDAk_: anything in particular you need to know? morphis is kind of the resident expert.
Oct 29 01:34:06 <LarrySteeze> or rather...is
Oct 29 01:34:51 <HaDAk_> it's not at all webos related. trying to help write a better wireless manager for the gcw-zero, but i don't know enough c to implement iwlist.c into the existing source
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