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Nov 11 07:30:27 <morphis> morning
Nov 11 09:35:27 <Herrie|Work> Morning
Nov 11 09:36:07 <Herrie|Work> morphis: seems like we might get some help with fixing apps bugs from Roshan/MobileTeck :)
Nov 11 09:37:15 <Herrie|Work> Roshan said doesn't have much time but will try to help :)
Nov 11 09:41:49 <Herrie|Work> So you might see some PR's coming in the future :) Told Roshan to join here to discuss when required as well :)
Nov 11 09:57:45 <Tofe> morning
Nov 11 10:05:24 <morphis> Herrie|Work: yeah!
Nov 11 10:05:28 <morphis> Tofe: morning
Nov 11 10:07:57 <Tofe> morphis: I found out that this sort of fix improves the situation (no more eglMakeCurrent errors) for the QSurfaceFormat: https://github.com/webOS-ports/maliit-plugins/commit/f56014a3434923e635190c3055bdbdfcdf012e39
Nov 11 10:08:31 <morphis> Tofe: with all three windows enabled?
Nov 11 10:08:59 <morphis> ah you ported the ubuntu keyboard
Nov 11 10:09:11 <Tofe> no no, only the ubuntu keyboard for now; it's for having a transparent background, which maliit-keyboard doesn't really need
Nov 11 10:09:40 <morphis> ah ok
Nov 11 10:09:47 <morphis> how does it work in runtime?
Nov 11 10:10:25 <Tofe> well, the white default background of the keyboard became... black. So the alpha value is lost somewhere.
Nov 11 10:10:47 <Tofe> for the rest, it works well, though I didn't see any preedit suggestion yet
Nov 11 10:11:16 <morphis> ok
Nov 11 10:11:28 <morphis> and entering text into the input fields worked fine?
Nov 11 10:12:32 <Tofe> yes, it's just that the keyboard covers the entire screeen, so we don't see the field where we type text, but it works. I could it with the memo app, when we switch to card view, we see the entered text in the memo
Nov 11 10:14:11 <Tofe> there are some fixes to do here and there (missing images, height too small, dpi is not retrieved from the device), but apart from the non transparent background it's quite ok
Nov 11 10:14:39 <Tofe> ah, the preedit thing might be the fact that I didn't have any setting yet
Nov 11 10:16:44 <Tofe> mmmh we didn't activate at all the alpha channels in the compositor, did we
Nov 11 10:18:00 <Tofe> morphis: I've also set  "window->setUseTextureAlpha(true)" in the compositor when creating a CompositorWindow; but that didn't help. Nevertheless I think it's needed.
Nov 11 10:19:24 <morphis> hm, alpha channels would be quite good
Nov 11 10:27:56 <Tofe> yep, it's worth the effort I think
Nov 11 10:33:43 <Tofe> morphis: I think this patch would also work on maliit-keyboard, btw
Nov 11 10:34:20 <Tofe> though not sure if it would resolve all the issues with the 3 windows
Nov 11 11:00:15 <Tofe> It's frustrating to see that lipstick seems to handle the alpha channel without any specific code on the compositor side...
Nov 11 11:09:04 <morphis> Tofe: yeah
Nov 11 12:08:44 <morphis> Tofe: I've one small fix for the cardshell bootloader
Nov 11 12:09:08 <morphis> I will remove the three second timeout and make the bootscreen invisible once the boot state switches away from startup
Nov 11 12:09:34 <Tofe> ok, no pb
Nov 11 12:20:06 <Tofe> preedit still doesn't seem to work on ubuntu-keyboard, I see the preedit line suggestion, but it doesn't suggest anything and all the words I type are red underlined. So I guess it doesn't find the dictionary. I'll check what kind of dictionary it's waiting for.
Nov 11 12:24:47 <Tofe> morphis: I think there's a typo in the bbappend of maliit-plugin: it's *enable-presage*, not enable-pressage
Nov 11 12:25:00 <morphis> oh n
Nov 11 12:25:06 <morphis> s/oh n/oh no/
Nov 11 12:29:52 <Tofe> morphis: are we building presage with sqlite3 ?
Nov 11 12:30:13 <morphis> no
Nov 11 12:31:20 <morphis> we need it?
Nov 11 12:31:52 <Tofe> looks like it is required for it to work; I have no "predictors" enabled, and in that mail exchange it says it's required (it's should also be written in the README)) : http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?set=custom&viewmonth=&viewday=&forum_name=presage-user&style=nested&max_rows=50&submit=Change+View
Nov 11 12:34:27 <morphis> Tofe: ok, can you try to enable it?
Nov 11 12:34:39 <morphis> if I remember well there was a compilation problem with it
Nov 11 12:34:40 <Tofe> morphis: yes, I'm already on it :)
Nov 11 12:34:46 <morphis> :D
Nov 11 12:35:11 <morphis> Tofe: btw. should we move the ubuntu-keyboard as webos-keyboard into a new repository?
Nov 11 12:35:22 <morphis> to make the separation clear?
Nov 11 12:36:20 <Tofe> morphis: I guess so. I think it has a future, because with maliit-keyboard we will struggle with the resize and the separate windows. Here it's just about having the transparency correctly set, and setting a mouse mask to be able to click through the empty zone.
Nov 11 12:37:38 <Tofe> morphis: note that I already pushed some fixed in my tofe/ubuntu-keyboard branch
Nov 11 12:37:47 <Tofe> don't know if it's easy to move it too
Nov 11 12:37:54 <Tofe> fixes*
Nov 11 12:38:48 <morphis> Tofe: should be
Nov 11 12:38:58 <morphis> with a little bit git magic everything is possible :)
Nov 11 12:39:11 <Tofe> :)
Nov 11 12:41:26 <Tofe> do_configure went well
Nov 11 12:42:07 <WhiteBee> yo guys
Nov 11 12:42:11 <WhiteBee> what's up?
Nov 11 12:42:42 <WhiteBee> anyone tried messing with enyo 2.3 already?
Nov 11 12:43:24 <morphis> Tofe: there we go: https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-keyboard
Nov 11 12:43:30 <morphis> WhiteBee: hey!
Nov 11 12:43:31 <Tofe> morphis: great!
Nov 11 12:43:33 <morphis> WhiteBee: not really
Nov 11 12:43:51 <WhiteBee> morphis: :(
Nov 11 12:43:59 <morphis> WhiteBee: any problems with it?
Nov 11 12:44:09 <WhiteBee> morphis: Will be far easier using it to do the contacts app, and was wondering if it's safe to use
Nov 11 12:44:20 <morphis> WhiteBee: use it
Nov 11 12:44:34 <morphis> I heard it should be usable
Nov 11 12:44:40 <morphis> even if it's not a release yet
Nov 11 12:44:46 <WhiteBee> came out just in time to spare me the data trouble
Nov 11 12:45:04 <WhiteBee> ok. hope it won't be too buggy.
Nov 11 12:45:23 <morphis> WhiteBee: so you're starting again working on the contacts app?
Nov 11 12:46:03 <WhiteBee> morphis: yep. been very busy at work (we're nearing product launch), but I managed to get me some free time :)
Nov 11 12:46:28 <morphis> great
Nov 11 12:46:53 <WhiteBee> Been watching the channel and the work looks great
Nov 11 12:47:07 <Tofe> morphis: during the compilation, presage uses an intermediate binary file to fill up some pre-built database; of course, if that binary utility is for arm, it doesn't work optimally on x86 architecture.
Nov 11 12:47:29 <morphis> Tofe: ah
Nov 11 12:47:48 <morphis> Tofe: looks like we have some more work to do here
Nov 11 12:47:58 <Tofe> so we need that tool as native, and then make the non-native one use it, or smthg like that yes
Nov 11 12:48:03 <morphis> right
Nov 11 12:48:13 <morphis> pretty common pattern in OE :)
Nov 11 12:48:37 <Tofe> pretty new for me :)
Nov 11 12:48:48 <WhiteBee> I have a question, though, how luna-next compares to the usual desktop environment like gnome, KDE or cinnamon? I mean, could I just install it instead of my current one :P?
Nov 11 12:49:51 <morphis> WhiteBee: theoretically, yes
Nov 11 12:50:04 <morphis> currently desktops are based on X11
Nov 11 12:50:16 <morphis> but that will change very soon as everyone is moving to wayland
Nov 11 12:50:54 <morphis> WhiteBee: you tried the emulator?
Nov 11 12:51:06 <WhiteBee> yes, it's awesome
Nov 11 12:51:14 <WhiteBee> though it was about two weeks ago
Nov 11 12:51:38 <Tofe> morphis: do you have an example of such (simple) package which is split in two ?
Nov 11 12:55:31 <morphis> Tofe: puuh, let me look
Nov 11 12:55:38 <morphis> Tofe: generally you create the same recipe again
Nov 11 12:55:42 <morphis> but with -native as postfix
Nov 11 12:55:50 <morphis> so pressage-native_x.x.bb
Nov 11 12:55:58 <morphis> inherit native
Nov 11 12:56:03 <morphis> in it and build it
Nov 11 12:56:17 <morphis> presage_x.x.bb gets a DEPENDS += "presage-native"
Nov 11 12:56:25 <morphis> and then the tricky part starts
Nov 11 12:56:45 <morphis> first you need to make sure the binary gets install correctly within the -native one
Nov 11 12:57:05 <morphis> and then you need to point the non-native one to the native binary
Nov 11 12:57:13 <morphis> which includes patches configure.ac etc.
Nov 11 12:58:12 <Tofe> :) ok. I can try that, that way I'll learn how to do such things.
Nov 11 12:59:03 <morphis> https://github.com/meta-qt5/meta-qt5/blob/master/recipes-qt/qt5/qtwayland-native.inc
Nov 11 12:59:50 <Tofe> ok yes you can put all the common stuff in a .inc
Nov 11 12:59:55 <morphis> yes
Nov 11 13:00:00 <morphis> inherit native is pretty important
Nov 11 13:00:27 <morphis> Tofe: is the tool automatically installed presage uses to setup the database?
Nov 11 13:00:40 <morphis> WhiteBee: yeah, we did a lot work and still a lot is ongoing
Nov 11 13:00:50 <morphis> would love to see you're new contacts app soon being a part of it :)
Nov 11 13:01:40 <Tofe> morphis: I don't know if it is installed, but I don't think so: tmp-eglibc/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi/presage/0.8.9-r0/presage-0.8.9/src/tools/.libs/lt-text2ngram: cannot execute binary file
Nov 11 13:02:44 <morphis> ok
Nov 11 13:03:03 <morphis> then you have to patch the makefiles or install it manually within the native version
Nov 11 13:03:10 <morphis> and disable the compilation in the target one
Nov 11 13:03:12 <WhiteBee> morphis: :D
Nov 11 13:03:17 <Tofe> morphis: yepee
Nov 11 13:03:28 <morphis> Tofe: it's always the kind of work I try to avoid to do :)
Nov 11 13:03:37 <Herrie|Work> Samsung announced they will have a Tizen Lite for phones with 256MB RAM and 512MB memory. For phones with resolution of 480x320 or 320x240. Seems like they really lost it with this cheap and ugly Android clone...
Nov 11 13:06:32 <Tofe> morphis: if I look at the ubuntu arm presage package, there is a ./usr/bin/text2ngram in the package. So maybe it is installed, actually. That would be much better...
Nov 11 13:06:42 <morphis> yeah
Nov 11 13:07:05 <morphis> Herrie|Work: let them waste their money :)
Nov 11 13:08:22 <Herrie|Work> I have no power to stop them :P The more they waste on it the better... It sucks big time....
Nov 11 13:08:34 <morphis> :)
Nov 11 13:13:46 <Tofe> morphis: speaking of qtwayland.inc, the non-native bb doesn't inherit the native one, do you know why ? Also, bb complains that there is no presage bbclass
Nov 11 13:14:42 <morphis> Tofe: how does your bb file look like?
Nov 11 13:14:45 <Tofe> my .bb is now very simple: require presage.inc, depends on presage-native, and inherit presage-native, all the rest has been moved in the .inc, for now.
Nov 11 13:15:14 <morphis> please show me the full bb file
Nov 11 13:15:51 <Tofe> http://pastie.org/8471836 for the .bb
Nov 11 13:16:20 <Tofe> http://pastie.org/8471839 for the .inc
Nov 11 13:16:45 <Tofe> http://pastie.org/8471841 for the -native.bb
Nov 11 13:16:54 <morphis> ah no
Nov 11 13:17:06 <morphis> remove "inherit presage-native" from presage_x.x.bb
Nov 11 13:17:30 <morphis> .bb should only have require presage.inc
Nov 11 13:17:39 <morphis> and DEPENDS += "presage-native"
Nov 11 13:17:46 <Tofe> ah, "inherit native" was really, like "inherit native" :D
Nov 11 13:17:51 <morphis> yes :)
Nov 11 13:18:21 <Tofe> ok, makes more sense to me
Nov 11 13:18:24 <morphis> btw. you should do a presage-x.x.inc and place the checksums there
Nov 11 13:18:39 <morphis> and then require presage-${PN}.inc in -native.bb and .bb
Nov 11 13:19:05 <Tofe> ok, yes, looks cleaner
Nov 11 13:20:37 <Tofe> ${PV} you mean
Nov 11 13:20:54 <morphis> right :)
Nov 11 13:25:57 <Tofe> the -native did compile/install fine. I have the text2ngram native binary in the sysroot-destdir directory.
Nov 11 13:26:10 <Tofe> now, the tricky part...
Nov 11 13:29:06 <morphis> :)
Nov 11 13:29:24 <Tofe> looks like I'll have to hack a Makefile.am, we have things like "$(top_builddir)/src/tools/text2ngram" that are launched
Nov 11 13:30:06 <morphis> Tofe: ${STAGING_BINDIR_NATIVE} points to the native sysroot
Nov 11 13:30:53 <morphis> so something like ${STAGING_BINDIR_NATIVE}/text2ngram should work
Nov 11 13:31:51 <Tofe> good !
Nov 11 13:33:58 <Tofe> doesn't look like this variable is known to automake
Nov 11 13:34:21 <Tofe> I guess I have to define it in configure
Nov 11 13:38:30 <morphis> Tofe: yes
Nov 11 13:38:43 <morphis> --with-text2ngram=<path> or something like this
Nov 11 13:38:51 <morphis> which you then pass with EXTRA_OECONF
Nov 11 13:38:52 <Tofe> or patch the Makefile.am...
Nov 11 13:39:10 <morphis> --with-text2ngram would be the clean way
Nov 11 13:44:06 <Tofe> well, anyway I will have to patch it...
Nov 11 13:44:29 <morphis> right
Nov 11 13:50:36 <Tofe> morphis: currently, this works: http://pastie.org/8471892
Nov 11 13:50:45 <Tofe> it's quite a temptation to keep it like that
Nov 11 13:51:27 <morphis> I am fine with that
Nov 11 14:04:45 <Tofe> presage is a dbus service, right ?
Nov 11 14:05:07 <Tofe> ah, no, not necessarily
Nov 11 14:06:14 <morphis> no, it's just a lib
Nov 11 14:13:31 <Tofe> I got preedit to work on the keyboard :)
Nov 11 14:13:44 <morphis> YEAHHH!
Nov 11 14:15:07 <Tofe> morphis: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4679068/luna-next/gnexus-screenshot-ubuntukeyboard-preedit.png <-- don't laugh at the look, I forced the opacity to be sure the keyboard worked well, apart from the background issue
Nov 11 14:15:36 <WhiteBee> Tofe: sexy screenshot
Nov 11 14:16:35 <morphis> loooks really great
Nov 11 14:17:05 <Tofe> morphis: sqlite3 initialization depends on the $HOME env variable, so for this test I've set it to /tmp, but there must be a better way
Nov 11 14:18:13 <morphis> hm
Nov 11 14:18:23 <morphis> should go to /media/internal
Nov 11 14:18:32 <morphis> or /var/luna/preferences
Nov 11 14:20:10 <Tofe> I'll do a PR for meta-wop
Nov 11 14:20:40 <morphis> thanks
Nov 11 14:20:56 <morphis> I will push some updates soon too so I will include it then
Nov 11 14:22:03 <morphis> Tofe: btw. does the magnifier work?
Nov 11 14:22:25 <Tofe> to see the key better ? yes
Nov 11 14:24:10 <morphis> when you push the key
Nov 11 14:27:41 <Tofe> yes, it works
Nov 11 14:28:45 <morphis> great
Nov 11 14:31:16 <Tofe> morphis: https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/pull/15
Nov 11 14:31:41 <Tofe> ah, wait, the title is all wrong
Nov 11 14:32:11 <Tofe> now, that's better.
Nov 11 14:37:45 <morphis> ah it doesn't include the switch to webos-keyboard yet
Nov 11 14:38:25 <Tofe> oh, well, no, but that can come quickly :)
Nov 11 14:39:09 <Tofe> and as long as the background issue is not solved, it looks pretty bad
Nov 11 14:39:24 <morphis> ok
Nov 11 14:39:34 <morphis> then lets wait a little bit for it
Nov 11 15:00:32 <morphis> i2y4n: you already tried the emulator?
Nov 11 15:02:02 <i2y4n> nope, i don't know where I'd even start after i did
Nov 11 15:07:09 <morphis> i2y4n: http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Emulator
Nov 11 15:17:42 <i2y4n_> morphis: Okay, so as a first step you suggest looking around inside the emulator? Is there anything that I should be focusing on?
Nov 11 15:32:13 <bigbluehat> morphis: any plans to vagrant the Emulator?
Nov 11 15:46:55 <morphis> i2y4n_: not really, play with, see what works and what does not
Nov 11 15:47:10 <morphis> if you find anything which looks like a bug file one at issues.webos-ports.org
Nov 11 15:47:21 <morphis> bigbluehat: not from my side
Nov 11 15:47:44 <morphis> but there will come automatic updates soon so you just import it once and can update then
Nov 11 15:48:02 <morphis> i2y4n_: documentation needs to be cleaned up as well
Nov 11 15:52:52 <i2y4n_> morphis: thanks :)
Nov 11 15:56:57 <bigbluehat> morphis: cool. tnx
Nov 11 17:22:38 <ka6sox> bigbluehat, we need an update as what we have is pretty old
Nov 11 18:27:29 <Herrie> ka6sox: Update on what?
Nov 11 18:35:41 <Tofe> is it violent to say "adb reboot bootloader" when the device is in android ?
Nov 11 18:36:51 * HaDAk shrugs
Nov 11 18:37:04 <HaDAk> not really.
Nov 11 18:37:08 <HaDAk> unless it's actively writing data
Nov 11 18:37:23 <HaDAk> are you talking about my script?
Nov 11 18:37:28 <Tofe> Oh, no, I generally close the apps before, I'm not a barbarian
Nov 11 18:37:42 <Tofe> no no, just the way I reboot into webos :)
Nov 11 18:37:52 <HaDAk> :)
Nov 11 18:38:08 <bigbluehat> ka6sox: happy to test it out…sadly overbooked otherwise
Nov 11 18:39:21 <Tofe> ah, now it did boot. But 4 times it rebooted without warning, before having even started luna-next
Nov 11 18:43:17 <HaDAk> what is this?
Nov 11 18:43:17 <HaDAk> https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-ports-installer
Nov 11 18:44:40 <HaDAk> i think my script could go up as-is, and i'll work on adding other device support.
Nov 11 18:44:53 <HaDAk> i'll issue a pull request when i have it up -- but we should have *something* up there now
Nov 11 18:45:04 <HaDAk> also, where are we with getting md5sums on the build server?
Nov 11 19:02:30 <Tofe> morphis: looks like the buffer coming from the client window has an alpha channel, the surface is BGRA, so alright. I'll check the compositor now.
Nov 11 19:18:22 <morphis> Tofe: recently I saw https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/trusty/view/head:/debian/patches/rendering_performance_fix_lp1092358.patch
Nov 11 19:19:29 <Tofe> yes, that's a good idea, if most of the GPU are using BGRA
Nov 11 19:45:21 <Tofe> morphis: interesting news: if I set the keyboard opacity to 0.99, it does take the alpha channel into account
Nov 11 19:45:50 <morphis> ??
Nov 11 19:46:46 <Tofe> morphis: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4679068/luna-next/gnexus-screenshot-ubuntukeyboard-nearly-opaque.png
Nov 11 19:47:32 <Tofe> So there is a fishy optimization being made somewhere, maybe in Qt
Nov 11 19:48:07 <morphis> btw. one thing you can try
Nov 11 19:48:38 <morphis> add QT_QPA_EGLFS_HAS_ALPHACHANNEL=1 to /etc/luna-next/environment.conf
Nov 11 19:49:02 <morphis> hope that helps
Nov 11 19:49:07 <morphis> should have remembered that earlier
Nov 11 19:49:29 <morphis> https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/blob/master/recipes-qt/qt5/qtbase/0001-HACK-Add-capatibility-to-have-QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEPTH-.-i.patch
Nov 11 19:50:38 <morphis> btw. someone really needs to style the keyboard so it don't looks like the ubuntu one
Nov 11 19:53:34 <Tofe> we'll see, but I also tried setting the surface format for the compositor
Nov 11 19:56:01 <Tofe> nope, didn't help
Nov 11 19:56:21 <Tofe> but it definitely looks like an optimization that shouldn't be here
Nov 11 19:59:52 <LarrySteeze> Morphis! Tofe! Hi!
Nov 11 20:00:04 <morphis> LarrySteeze: hey!
Nov 11 20:00:22 <LarrySteeze> I still exist -.-
Nov 11 20:00:22 <Tofe> LarrySteeze: hi !
Nov 11 20:00:55 <Tofe> LarrySteeze: and you are still trying to talk to morphis ? ^^
Nov 11 20:01:16 <morphis> Tofe: yeah, was really hard t meet LarrySteeze at the right time :)
Nov 11 20:01:16 <LarrySteeze> Nope. I got in touch with morhpis just haven't done the stuff I talked to him about :D
Nov 11 20:01:37 <LarrySteeze> I think I had other stuff to talk to morphis about just don't remember what it was
Nov 11 20:03:55 <morphis> :)
Nov 11 20:04:09 <morphis> LarrySteeze: now you have the time ask me whatever you want :D
Nov 11 20:04:32 <LarrySteeze> You have the time. I'm getting ready for visitors :(
Nov 11 20:04:54 <LarrySteeze> Visitors that are staying for a month so I have to convert my office into their bedroom
Nov 11 20:06:42 <morphis> ah ok
Nov 11 20:14:54 <HaDAk> morphis: i'll stylize it after the project i'm currently working on
Nov 11 20:15:06 <morphis> HaDAk: great
Nov 11 20:15:28 <HaDAk> morphis: if somebody that knew python would help me with this (probably trivial) task, i could get to work on it much sooner
Nov 11 20:36:39 <Tofe> morphis: I propose that, for now, I set the opacity of the keyboard to 0.99; that makes it possible to integrate it, and to go on in parallel on other topics too, like the focus issues
Nov 11 20:37:30 <morphis> Tofe: sounds like a good plan
Nov 11 20:37:39 <morphis> Tofe: does it affect the framerate?
Nov 11 20:41:18 <Tofe> the opacity trick ? maybe a little when the keyboard is on
Nov 11 20:41:33 <Tofe> but it's specific to the keyboard window, for now
Nov 11 20:41:47 <morphis> ok
Nov 11 20:41:51 <morphis> lets do it
Nov 11 20:41:58 <Tofe> ok
Nov 11 20:42:14 <Tofe> I'll do that after diner
Nov 11 21:53:29 <WhiteBee_> HaDAk: you still need help with python?
Nov 11 21:53:49 <HaDAk> WhiteBee_: probably, but i need to run to the grocery store for a bit. will you be around in ~1 hr?
Nov 11 21:54:09 <WhiteBee> not sure
Nov 11 21:54:13 <WhiteBee> might be going to sleep
Nov 11 21:54:57 <HaDAk> ok. i'll try to be quick.
Nov 11 21:55:08 <WhiteBee> HaDAk: cool, I'm not python pro, but I have some experience
Nov 11 21:55:26 <HaDAk> ok.
Nov 11 22:12:01 <Tofe> morphis: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next/pull/54 & https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/pull/15 & https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/pull/15
Nov 11 22:13:03 <Tofe> morphis: note that to hide the keyboard, one has to slide it down (by dragging down the preedit zone handle)
Nov 11 22:13:48 <Tofe> n8 !
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