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Nov 12 06:48:57 <morphis> morning
Nov 12 08:41:03 <Herrie|Work> morphis: morning
Nov 12 08:41:10 <morphis> Herrie|Work: morning
Nov 12 08:42:17 <Herrie|Work> Just added another todo for Alpha 3 at Trello for the apps. Seems like they still use webos-ports-lib and not webos-lib, hence old gesture area, no app menu support etc. Would need updating I guess for Alpha 3
Nov 12 08:45:16 <morphis> Herrie|Work: I am not sure which difference between both are left
Nov 12 08:46:46 <Herrie|Work> Might be able to fix them myself but need to get wiki sorted first. Well they are merged so webos-lib should have all that's in webos-ports-lib + other libs according to description. We should update the apps, test them and depreciate webos-ports-lib in m
Nov 12 08:46:46 <Herrie|Work> y view.
Nov 12 08:51:40 <morphis> Herrie|Work: maybe Garfonso can help with this
Nov 12 08:54:21 <Herrie|Work> I can try to do some tests later today to see if we can simple swap them or we need to make other changes.
Nov 12 08:54:29 <morphis> ok
Nov 12 08:54:41 <morphis> maybe we have to move some parts to from ports-lib to webos-lib
Nov 12 08:55:21 <Herrie|Work> Everything should be there already but needs to be tested. When I get stuck will ask for help :)
Nov 12 09:13:25 <Herrie|Work> OK seems some things are missing will try to add them. You happen to have HaDAk's  lightbar/gesture area image somewhere?
Nov 12 09:14:42 <morphis> Herrie|Work: it should be somewhere within luna-next-cardshell
Nov 12 09:15:07 <Herrie|Work> OK can find that I guess :)
Nov 12 09:17:32 <Herrie|Work> OK done, seems to work now. Need to test on some device now and will push the changes tonight. Cannot push anything to GH here :'(
Nov 12 09:18:16 <morphis> Herrie|Work: btw. do you found any open source media app?
Nov 12 09:18:23 <morphis> Herrie|Work: ok,np
Nov 12 09:20:39 <Herrie|Work> morphis: Ehm was still on my to-do list let me look into that now.
Nov 12 09:22:02 <Herrie|Work> Seems somebody wrote and extension for Enyo :) http://hominisoftware.com/enyoVideo
Nov 12 09:22:41 <Herrie|Work> Enyo on TP used to have Enyo.Video and Enyo.Sound not sure that's still present in Enyo 2 would need to check
Nov 12 09:26:05 <morphis> Herrie|Work: both should be no real work to reimplement
Nov 12 09:27:06 <Herrie|Work> Yes, just a quick wrapper app around it with some controls as basics?
Nov 12 09:50:26 <Herrie|Work> OK added missing bits from ports-lib to lib, tested everything in browser seems OK. Will package up the apps test on legacy webOS device/emu and push changes tonight
Nov 12 10:46:47 <Tofe> morning
Nov 12 10:52:37 <morphis> Tofe: morning
Nov 12 10:55:39 <morphis> Tofe: I merged your changes for luna-next
Nov 12 10:55:53 <morphis> and I added a webos-keyboard recipe to meta-webos-ports based on your work
Nov 12 11:19:46 <Herrie|Work> ok tested apps on emu and seem to work OK :) Will push changes tonight :)
Nov 12 11:20:18 <morphis> Herrie|Work: great
Nov 12 11:25:19 <Herrie|Work> Need to update readme as well, but seems we can depreciate webos-ports-lib after that.
Nov 12 11:25:59 <Herrie|Work> We might want to update Enyo to 2.3 once it's out but nothing urgent I'd say.
Nov 12 11:30:44 <Herrie|Work> readme.md updated as well :) Will push things when home :)
Nov 12 11:31:45 <morphis> Herrie|Work: would be good to see what kind of improvements enyo 2.3 brings for us
Nov 12 11:33:22 <Herrie|Work> Nothing too much except for MVC from what I can tell and get/set got easier from what I read.
Nov 12 11:47:27 <Tofe> morphis: ok, good
Nov 12 12:17:51 <Herrie|Work> blog.enyojs.com seems to have a clear overview of changes
Nov 12 12:46:43 <morphis> Herrie: ok
Nov 12 12:49:40 <Tofe> morphis: for the ubuntu-keyboard and the fact that we can't click in the transparent zone, I have a fix in mind
Nov 12 12:50:23 <morphis> Tofe: which one?
Nov 12 12:50:26 <Tofe> webos-keyboard*
Nov 12 12:50:54 <Tofe> QWindowQWindow::setMask(QRegion&) on the inputmethod's QQuickView
Nov 12 12:51:37 <morphis> Tofe: can work
Nov 12 12:53:14 <Tofe> yes, well, that's what the documentation says :)
Nov 12 13:46:51 <i2y4n> Hello, I'm new to irc. What is the preferred method of logging on here to this channel? Do you use an android app?
Nov 12 13:54:25 <moofree> use an irc client like hexchat, mirc, irssi, etc there are irc clients for android but i don't know about that...
Nov 12 13:56:51 <moofree> http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/clients/ read around this site, and try to stay on topic in channels ;)
Nov 12 14:00:06 <i2y4n> moofree: that site is amazingly helpful, thanks!
Nov 12 14:13:14 <HaDAk> irc is neat.
Nov 12 14:29:48 <i2y4n> I tried downloading the emulator yesterday and today. I tried to grab the virtual box appliances from the "latest image" link on the wiki but the zip folder downloaded without any content.
Nov 12 14:42:12 <WhiteBee> i2y4n, I've downloaded it twice yesterday, first time it was a bad file
Nov 12 14:42:19 <WhiteBee> try downloading again
Nov 12 14:46:22 <i2y4n> I tried the link three times. Then I just went into the index and grabbed the zip
Nov 12 14:49:04 <WhiteBee> http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/latest/images/qemux86/webos-ports-emulator-qemux86.zip
Nov 12 14:49:08 <WhiteBee> is that what you used?
Nov 12 14:50:00 <i2y4n> http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/latest/images/qemux86/webos-ports-emulator-qemux86.zip
Nov 12 14:51:03 <i2y4n> yep, the webos-ports-emulator-qemux86.zip folder downloaded each time, but the contents were empty
Nov 12 14:52:34 <WhiteBee> weird, worked fine for me yesterday
Nov 12 14:53:51 * HaDAk will try downloading it
Nov 12 14:59:19 <HaDAk> it worked for me, BUT
Nov 12 14:59:33 <HaDAk> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3538974
Nov 12 14:59:50 <HaDAk> the server closed the connection. it had to retry.
Nov 12 14:59:58 <HaDAk> my guess is that the same happened to you, and you got less than the full file.
Nov 12 15:07:06 <i2y4n> makes sense
Nov 12 15:09:20 <Herrie|Work> morphis: seems they added some fullscreens support for enyo.control (but not working on webOS yet???). Also enyo.media + enyo.audio is 2.3 :) You might want to look through release notes.
Nov 12 15:09:49 <morphis> Herrie|Work: link?
Nov 12 15:10:31 <Herrie|Work> Guys for emulator: server is not very reliable, I have problems (speed and incomplete files) with standard Firefox. I use DownThemAll or another downloadmanager in Firefox and speed goes up and no more incompletes!
Nov 12 15:10:55 <morphis> scoutcamper: ^^
Nov 12 15:12:39 <WhiteBee> was isis abandoned?
Nov 12 15:12:51 <morphis> we did
Nov 12 15:13:10 <morphis> Open webOS is still using it
Nov 12 15:13:33 <WhiteBee> :\
Nov 12 15:13:49 <WhiteBee> how is it relevant with new qt browser
Nov 12 15:14:34 <morphis> isis as is simply has new future in the modern world
Nov 12 15:15:03 <Herrie|Work> morphis: http://enyojs.com/docs/2.3.0-pre.10/release-notes/release-2.3.0-pre.10.html
Nov 12 15:15:22 <morphis> Herrie|Work: thanks
Nov 12 15:15:40 <ka6sox> let me look @ the server this AM...
Nov 12 15:16:07 <ka6sox> reliability hasnt' been an issue but if I don't find anything I'll ask for tracert records to I can sort it.
Nov 12 15:18:48 <Herrie|Work> ka6sox: it's quick when using a downloadmanager, but slow when not and without I quite often have incompletes...
Nov 12 15:22:55 <bigbluehat> morphis: who’s we?
Nov 12 15:22:58 <bigbluehat> webOS CE?
Nov 12 15:30:30 <morphis> bigbluehat: webOS ports
Nov 12 15:31:59 <ka6sox> Herrie|Work, the logs don't suggest anything.
Nov 12 15:35:48 <HaDAk> WhiteBee: fwiw, i think i figured out my python roadblock. should have this thing wrapped up by the end of the week, at the latest.
Nov 12 15:36:41 <WhiteBee> HaDAk, great! forgot about that. If you need any help ask away
Nov 12 15:36:50 <HaDAk> :)
Nov 12 15:42:52 <bigbluehat> moofree: so ports is what exactly?
Nov 12 15:42:54 <bigbluehat> bah
Nov 12 15:42:57 <bigbluehat> morphis: ^^
Nov 12 15:43:02 <bigbluehat> I’m a bit lost…. :)
Nov 12 15:43:12 <bigbluehat> in short: I have a touchpad…does this concern me? :)
Nov 12 15:44:10 <HaDAk> bigbluehat: erm. i'm lost. can you rephrase the question?
Nov 12 15:46:21 <Herrie|Work> bigbluehat: Ports focusses on Nexus hardware for now Nexus GSM aka Maguro and Nexus 7 2012 aka Grouper.
Nov 12 15:46:39 <bigbluehat> k. all good
Nov 12 15:46:46 <Herrie|Work> Since these are the most open and easily accessible devices out there.
Nov 12 15:46:54 <bigbluehat> ports used to be (iirc) the place to come for non-HP-store apps for the touchpad
Nov 12 15:47:02 <morphis> bigbluehat: webOS ports develops a variant of openwebos which is able to run on various devices
Nov 12 15:47:03 <bigbluehat> which is seemingly abandoned by everyone now...
Nov 12 15:47:09 <bigbluehat> …except cyanogenmod
Nov 12 15:47:19 <bigbluehat> morphis: a noble cause! :)
Nov 12 15:47:23 <Herrie|Work> Theoretically Ports could be made to work on every Android device so also TP
Nov 12 15:47:24 <bigbluehat> and one I hope succeeds in every way
Nov 12 15:47:40 <bigbluehat> (as some early open webos help of mine to ka6sox hopefully shows)
Nov 12 15:47:48 <morphis> bigbluehat: call webOS ports a distribution which has openwebos as a base
Nov 12 15:47:49 <bigbluehat> Herrie|Work: I’d love that :)
Nov 12 15:47:59 <bigbluehat> morphis: perfect
Nov 12 15:48:15 <morphis> we're inheriting things but make a lot things different
Nov 12 15:48:19 <morphis> like debian and ubuntu
Nov 12 15:48:21 <bigbluehat> is this due to openwebos “only” supporting a very few products?
Nov 12 15:48:27 <Herrie|Work> Preware is the non app-catalog that was created by Internals :P Pretty much same people as Ports just different name :P
Nov 12 15:48:33 <bigbluehat> morphis: what’s the motivation?
Nov 12 15:48:36 <bigbluehat> vs. contributing to open webos
Nov 12 15:48:50 <bigbluehat> Herrie|Work: that’s it! thanks :)
Nov 12 15:48:55 <morphis> bigbluehat: we're contributing
Nov 12 15:49:01 <bigbluehat> got those wires crossed…for obvious reasons…as you pointed out
Nov 12 15:49:06 <morphis> but openwebos is not suitable as is for our purpose
Nov 12 15:49:14 <bigbluehat> morphis: cool. didn’t mean to imply you weren’t of course ;)
Nov 12 15:49:16 <Herrie|Work> Internals = legacy webos, Ports = Open webOS for new hardware ;)
Nov 12 15:49:21 <bigbluehat> which is?
Nov 12 15:49:34 <bigbluehat> morphis: purpose is?
Nov 12 15:49:41 <morphis> bigbluehat: running on different target devices
Nov 12 15:50:12 <bigbluehat> that’s not part of open webos’s modus op?
Nov 12 15:50:30 <morphis> if we talk about that question we will become very technical :)
Nov 12 15:50:38 <morphis> bigbluehat: in general it should but it is not
Nov 12 15:50:44 <bigbluehat> k. no worries :)
Nov 12 15:50:47 <bigbluehat> just trying to get a sense of space :)
Nov 12 15:50:57 <morphis> openwebos isn't that flexible that you can take it and just put on a android based device
Nov 12 15:50:58 <Herrie|Work> Similar to CyanogenMod for Android you could say. Ports starts with 2 devices but once basics are sorted for those, porting to other devices should be easy and a matter of hours ;)
Nov 12 15:51:01 <morphis> we tried that
Nov 12 15:51:14 <morphis> from september last year until june this year
Nov 12 15:51:51 <morphis> but the whole software is old and hard to maintain
Nov 12 15:52:08 <bigbluehat> gotcha
Nov 12 15:52:18 <morphis> so we decided to rewrite things
Nov 12 15:52:24 <morphis> in a modern and future ready way
Nov 12 15:52:26 <bigbluehat> like the keyboard? :)
Nov 12 15:52:35 <morphis> like the whole UI
Nov 12 15:52:40 * bigbluehat lurks here a bit
Nov 12 15:52:40 <bigbluehat> srsly!
Nov 12 15:52:42 <bigbluehat> yo
Nov 12 15:53:05 <bigbluehat> QT vs. HTML/JS?
Nov 12 15:53:05 <morphis> everything you see in the emulator is rewritten from scratch (we reused a lot of code though)
Nov 12 15:53:16 <bigbluehat> fascinating
Nov 12 15:53:19 <morphis> no HTML/JS is still the primary way
Nov 12 15:53:45 <morphis> only the underlaying components are based on qt5, wayland and webkit2
Nov 12 15:53:55 <morphis> and easier to maintain for us
Nov 12 15:57:12 <morphis> someone really needs to write this down ... didn't counted how often I explained this already :)
Nov 12 15:57:29 <Herrie|Work> Morhpis: You can copy & paste this to Wiki for your reasoning for Luna Next :P
Nov 12 15:57:57 <morphis> Herrie|Work: can you do? :)
Nov 12 15:58:09 <Herrie|Work> It's in Trello on your todo for a while already :P
Nov 12 15:58:24 <Herrie|Work> Yeah I can do but don't know all the reasoning... there must be more :)
Nov 12 15:59:10 <morphis> Herrie|Work: would be a start at least :)
Nov 12 16:01:51 <Herrie|Work> is already in the Overview part on Luna Next?
Nov 12 16:05:41 <morphis> possible
Nov 12 16:06:52 <Herrie|Work> I think that covers most? http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Luna_Next#Overview
Nov 12 16:07:25 <bigbluehat> tnx!
Nov 12 16:07:32 <bigbluehat> how’s LG taking the news?
Nov 12 16:07:41 <bigbluehat> +1? or “we’ll see”?
Nov 12 16:08:52 <bigbluehat> just curious :)
Nov 12 16:09:30 <Herrie|Work> LG has serious shortage of resources (see their vacancies site), I don't think there's too much interaction atm
Nov 12 16:09:50 <Herrie|Work> But I'm sure ka6sox could elaborate on that ;)
Nov 12 16:10:18 <bigbluehat> they need to hire remotely
Nov 12 16:10:24 <bigbluehat> most companies still don’t get that...
Nov 12 16:10:35 <ka6sox> LG is very busy with trying to make a product.  They arent' saying much, however they aren't trying to put the brakes on things either.
Nov 12 16:10:52 <bigbluehat> ka6sox: cool. that’s a start :)
Nov 12 16:11:19 <bigbluehat> you can’t do open in secret (for whatever the reason)
Nov 12 16:11:24 <bigbluehat> hope they figure that out soon :)
Nov 12 16:11:57 <ka6sox> HP/Intel have Open Source Groups...I haven't found one in LG yet.
Nov 12 16:12:26 <ka6sox> LG has been putting things out that they started in Open.
Nov 12 16:12:37 <ka6sox> and a few things are coming out.
Nov 12 16:13:00 <ka6sox> but I suspect they are just chronically understaffed and keeping their focus on having jobs next year.
Nov 12 16:13:24 <stefan_schmidt> ka6sox: Maybe tell them that Samsung also has an OSG which might speed up the creation in LG
Nov 12 16:13:34 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: :D
Nov 12 16:13:37 <stefan_schmidt> And yes, I'm still alive and will get active again
Nov 12 16:13:42 <ka6sox> stefan_schmidt, yup
Nov 12 16:13:50 <stefan_schmidt> Just moved to Germany and settling in in my home office
Nov 12 16:13:50 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: you're back in germany finally?
Nov 12 16:13:52 <ka6sox> stefan_schmidt, wb...hope you are getting settled
Nov 12 16:13:57 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: jup
Nov 12 16:14:06 <stefan_schmidt> Since 1.11
Nov 12 16:14:21 <stefan_schmidt> Still tons of things to figure out but I'm on a good way now
Nov 12 16:14:22 <morphis> and feels good to be back?
Nov 12 16:14:29 <stefan_schmidt> yeah, feels great :)
Nov 12 16:15:55 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: but between having an OSG and acting as one are lying still worlds :)
Nov 12 16:19:18 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: indeed, indeed :)
Nov 12 16:19:25 <stefan_schmidt> acting is always better :)
Nov 12 16:19:48 <stefan_schmidt> I'm just member of the OSG since 3 weeks anyway :P
Nov 12 16:22:23 <ka6sox> having an OSG is good...getting things past the corp mentality and the Lawyers is another.
Nov 12 16:22:28 <bigbluehat> ka6sox: do you know if they have any dev evangelists/advocates?
Nov 12 16:22:38 <ka6sox> LG?
Nov 12 16:22:45 <bigbluehat> right
Nov 12 16:22:59 <bigbluehat> they need someone to monitor/manage the “opening"
Nov 12 16:23:06 <bigbluehat> they do seem to be committing to github repos
Nov 12 16:23:14 <bigbluehat> but without updating openwebosproject.org
Nov 12 16:23:16 <stefan_schmidt> ka6sox: the lovely processes :(
Nov 12 16:23:21 <bigbluehat> it’s like it isn’t happening
Nov 12 16:23:42 <ka6sox> Roy and Enda haven't gone anywhere...they are just busy, like I said earlier, with a Product.
Nov 12 16:24:03 <bigbluehat> yeah, sorry not meaning to criticize
Nov 12 16:24:21 <bigbluehat> just *really* don’t want to see this fail (and I realize I’m among like minded folks here)
Nov 12 16:25:08 <ka6sox> no offence to LG, but unlike HP/Palm/Samsung, they simply don't have people "yet" who have been able to raise OS to a level to devote resources to it (at least I haven't found an OS group that isn't dealing stictly with compliance)
Nov 12 16:25:24 <Herrie|Work> I think communication is key, doesn't take much time to update community with status updates. Last blog posting was 9 months ago when still @ HP
Nov 12 16:26:14 <bigbluehat> right
Nov 12 16:26:24 <bigbluehat> should be at least once a month
Nov 12 16:26:30 <bigbluehat> but even aggregating project commit logs
Nov 12 16:26:35 <bigbluehat> and say “here’s what we did this week/month"
Nov 12 16:26:37 <bigbluehat> would be rad
Nov 12 16:27:16 <morphis> bigbluehat: there isn't really something in Open webOS thats highlightable in the past months
Nov 12 16:27:24 <morphis> no big feature
Nov 12 16:27:36 <bigbluehat> doesn’t need to be a big feature
Nov 12 16:27:44 <morphis> or at least nothing which is suitable to tell the community about
Nov 12 16:27:47 <bigbluehat> just “we closed these bugs, worked toward these improvements” etc
Nov 12 16:28:08 <bigbluehat> tell them something!
Nov 12 16:28:10 <bigbluehat> or they’ll go away :)
Nov 12 16:28:22 <bigbluehat> I know they’re swamped...
Nov 12 16:28:41 <bigbluehat> but open source *has* to have leadership or it will fail…or fork...
Nov 12 16:28:49 <bigbluehat> forks are fine, but can lead to oblivion of the whole
Nov 12 16:28:58 <bigbluehat> anyhow
Nov 12 16:29:00 <bigbluehat> </rant> :)
Nov 12 16:30:46 <ka6sox> I understand the frustration with months of no information, and as we have all ack'd here they have their nose to the grindstone.  For now it might just need to be enough to know that webOS isn't dead and nobody is working on it.
Nov 12 16:31:14 <bigbluehat> so let’s not depend on them for the noise :)
Nov 12 16:31:19 <bigbluehat> anyone been blogging lately? :)
Nov 12 16:31:22 <bigbluehat> tweets?
Nov 12 16:31:30 <bigbluehat> Luna Next has lots of promise
Nov 12 16:31:31 <Herrie|Work> pivotce.com ;)
Nov 12 16:31:34 <bigbluehat> is there a planet?
Nov 12 16:31:38 <ka6sox> I saw a good article the other day
Nov 12 16:31:44 <bigbluehat> ohai!
Nov 12 16:31:50 <ka6sox> the pivotce one
Nov 12 16:32:06 <ka6sox> also I get calls about webOS from the press occasionally
Nov 12 16:32:21 <ka6sox> but as we have always stated we will make announcements when we have something
Nov 12 16:32:35 <bigbluehat> yeah, not looking for announcements
Nov 12 16:32:48 <bigbluehat> just the regular drumbeat of "this is awesome and here’s why"
Nov 12 16:32:54 <bigbluehat> which isn’t sustainable for any single company
Nov 12 16:32:57 <bigbluehat> especially a distracted one
Nov 12 16:33:08 <bigbluehat> anyhow, I’m sorry if I ruffled feathers :)
Nov 12 16:33:28 <Herrie|Work> LG's new UHDTV commercial is fun :)
Nov 12 16:33:30 <bigbluehat> and I’m by no means a contributor…or even a blogger for this effort…at present
Nov 12 16:33:32 <bigbluehat> I just love webOS
Nov 12 16:33:37 <bigbluehat> and want it to get some love
Nov 12 16:33:39 <bigbluehat> you guys are doing that
Nov 12 16:33:45 <bigbluehat> and the World Must Know! :D
Nov 12 16:33:51 <stefan_schmidt> I had an apartment viewing yesterday and saw a Palm pre in it. Funny. :)
Nov 12 16:34:52 * bigbluehat has a lifedrive under his desk at home
Nov 12 16:35:01 <bigbluehat> and Nokia N800
Nov 12 16:35:23 <bigbluehat> etc
Nov 12 16:35:30 <bigbluehat> too many orphaned projects in my life I guess
Nov 12 16:35:39 <bigbluehat> k. I’ll leave you all to the greatness
Nov 12 16:35:50 <bigbluehat> ping me if I can ever raise the noise on twitter or cover something with a blog post
Nov 12 16:36:04 <bigbluehat> not much to offer, but happy to do it if you want another URL or two :)
Nov 12 16:37:10 <bigbluehat> tnx for listing
Nov 12 16:38:14 <morphis> bigbluehat: spreading the word always helps
Nov 12 16:38:25 <morphis> and afaik thats something we're currently missing
Nov 12 16:38:37 <bigbluehat> yeah, I probably just need to keep up with the news that is happening and make noise about that :)
Nov 12 16:38:44 <morphis> I can imagine nobody out there really know about luna next yet
Nov 12 16:38:51 <bigbluehat> plus, I need to get my touchpad running ACL Preview
Nov 12 16:39:00 <bigbluehat> and test out all my Humble Bundle games ;)
Nov 12 16:39:14 <bigbluehat> yeah, that could use some press for sure
Nov 12 16:47:55 <ka6sox> bigbluehat, perhaps we need to make a bit more noise...let folks know we aren't dead yet :)
Nov 12 16:48:16 <bigbluehat> exactly! :D
Nov 12 16:48:33 <ka6sox> the new emulator is worth mentioning
Nov 12 16:48:40 <bigbluehat> indeed
Nov 12 16:48:54 <bigbluehat> it’d also help me (as a touchpad owner) to know where I fit in this puzzle
Nov 12 16:49:00 <bigbluehat> I feel like I fell off the wagon :-P
Nov 12 16:49:07 <bigbluehat> I bought the thing to work on open webos
Nov 12 16:49:24 <bigbluehat> but then after the drip torture release parade I was left out in the cold
Nov 12 16:49:54 <bigbluehat> even if it means pulling pivotce.com news into some HP Catalog style UI so I use my touchpad to read about what’s replacing it, fine! :)
Nov 12 16:50:07 * bigbluehat will try the emulator
Nov 12 16:50:12 <bigbluehat> and post about it
Nov 12 16:50:53 <bigbluehat> also, as you guys improve stuff, let me know when you get to the db8 bits. :) I’m happy to provide free Cloudant accounts to anyone who wants to make/test it’s replication abilities
Nov 12 16:51:06 <Herrie|Work> You can actually have pivotce.com replace the HP App Catalog Pivot :)
Nov 12 16:52:02 <Herrie|Work> There's a topic for it on webOSNation :) Requires you to install a patch, enter the URL in Tweaks and it will load latest every time you open HP App Catalog :)
Nov 12 16:52:37 <Herrie|Work> Might be an idea to add a Pivot feature on Preware 2 and work together with PivotCE to provide articles?
Nov 12 16:52:52 <morphis> Herrie|Work: why not
Nov 12 16:53:42 <Herrie|Work> Would at least keep the news flowing... I guess we could try to see if we can cooperate with PivotCE guys, they seem to be open to it I guess :)
Nov 12 16:54:11 <Herrie|Work> Kagsox might want to reach out to them?
Nov 12 16:54:20 <bigbluehat> …so is the HP catalog still usable?
Nov 12 16:54:21 <bigbluehat> I’ve not even tried
Nov 12 16:54:33 <bigbluehat> in the last 3+ months :-P
Nov 12 16:54:47 <bigbluehat> I’m +1 on community building :)
Nov 12 16:54:59 <bigbluehat> there are still users out there who have no idea what’s going on with their devices
Nov 12 16:54:59 <Herrie|Work> When you updated root certificate: yes :)
Nov 12 16:55:05 <bigbluehat> if they’ve not already recycled them….
Nov 12 16:55:12 <bigbluehat> ah. yeah. here’s hoping I did that >_<
Nov 12 16:55:26 <Herrie|Work> Not much going on but still new things appear there every now and them
Nov 12 16:55:31 <Herrie|Work> then
Nov 12 17:01:40 * Herrie|Work heads home. morphis: will try to push webos-lib and app changes tonight :)
Nov 12 17:02:10 <bigbluehat> k. all good :)
Nov 12 17:02:13 <bigbluehat> tnx ya'll
Nov 12 17:02:21 <bigbluehat> really appreciate you entertaining my noise today
Nov 12 17:02:23 <bigbluehat> :)
Nov 12 18:31:22 <Herrie> morphis: ping
Nov 12 18:36:14 <morphis> Herrie: pong
Nov 12 18:38:07 <Herrie> How we want to go about depreciating webos-ports-lib?
Nov 12 18:38:13 <Herrie> Just updating readme or something else as well?
Nov 12 18:38:17 <morphis> yeah
Nov 12 18:38:26 <morphis> lets leave it there for no
Nov 12 18:38:29 <morphis> s/no/now/
Nov 12 18:38:40 <morphis> we can rename the repository to deprecated-webos-ports-lib
Nov 12 18:39:40 <Herrie> Ok can you take care of that?
Nov 12 18:39:45 <Herrie> I'll push the changes in a minute :)
Nov 12 18:42:43 <morphis> done
Nov 12 18:43:11 <Herrie> Syncing
Nov 12 18:43:13 <Herrie> Will do PR
Nov 12 18:44:21 <Herrie> PR done
Nov 12 18:44:24 <Herrie> Will do apps now as well :)
Nov 12 18:49:19 <ka6sox> why are we deprecating it? or just an old version?
Nov 12 18:52:24 <cobblemonster> so are you going to update   webOS-ports-template       lib's  too
Nov 12 18:52:27 <morphis> ka6sox: webos-lib is the new one
Nov 12 18:53:06 <morphis> Herrie: but one thing:
Nov 12 18:53:37 <morphis> I think things like the PortsHeader or PortsSearch should stay there
Nov 12 18:53:46 <morphis> the other things can be moved
Nov 12 18:56:16 <ka6sox> oh right...naming confuaion
Nov 12 18:57:43 <Herrie> Why?
Nov 12 18:57:52 <Herrie> I put them in lib now too ;)
Nov 12 19:00:05 <Herrie> Anyway it's our repo, so I don't think it makes much sense to keep PortsHeader and PortsSearch separately?
Nov 12 19:00:17 <Herrie> If people want to use it they do, if not then not ;)
Nov 12 19:04:59 <morphis> I think it's a cleaner separation to have on for webos stuff and one for ports stuff
Nov 12 19:05:11 <morphis> as in general you can use webos-lib for legacy systems too
Nov 12 19:05:35 <morphis> but you already did the work
Nov 12 19:06:04 <morphis> Herrie: btw. when you're on it can you provide an update for meta-webos-ports after I've merged the PR's too?
Nov 12 19:09:49 <Tofe> funny, that... we didn't implement QPlatformWindow::setMask...
Nov 12 19:09:58 <Herrie> Well Ports works for legacy too ;)
Nov 12 19:10:21 <Herrie> I tried the apps that use it on my Veer and TP ;)
Nov 12 19:10:28 <Herrie> So that's the wrong argument :P
Nov 12 19:10:45 <morphis> Herrie: merged all of them
Nov 12 19:10:59 <Herrie> OK, not sure how to do an update for meta-webos-ports tbh
Nov 12 19:11:03 <Herrie> Never did that before
Nov 12 19:11:09 <Herrie> I think that covers all apps ;)
Nov 12 19:11:25 <Tofe> morphis: my brain doesn't accept the question, so maybe yours will be more conciliant: where can I find our implementation of QPlatformWindow ?
Nov 12 19:12:13 <Tofe> qt5-webos-plugin, maybe
Nov 12 19:12:23 <Herrie> cobblemonster: Guess I should :D
Nov 12 19:13:04 <Herrie> Works similar as for other apps? Include lib and update source/package.js?
Nov 12 19:18:01 <cobblemonster> ok I will hold off on my fixing my pull then
Nov 12 19:19:43 <morphis> Tofe: no
Nov 12 19:19:52 <morphis> Tofe: compositor or client site?
Nov 12 19:20:05 <Herrie> Morphis: 2 more PR's done :)
Nov 12 19:20:10 <Herrie> 1 to update old readme, one for template
Nov 12 19:20:10 <Tofe> morphis: client side
Nov 12 19:20:19 <Tofe> qt-webos-plugin ?
Nov 12 19:20:33 <Herrie> cobblemonster: should be OK now, the -ext should be part of webos-lib as well. In case you have any issues let me know
Nov 12 19:20:35 <morphis> Herrie: it's simple: look into https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/tree/master/recipes-webos/apps
Nov 12 19:20:53 <morphis> Herrie: for example for testr the SRCREV is at this line: https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/blob/master/recipes-webos/apps/org.webosports.app.testr.bb#L13
Nov 12 19:21:00 <morphis> just exchange the one against the new one
Nov 12 19:21:12 <morphis> Tofe: no, qt-webos-plugin isn't anymore
Nov 12 19:21:34 <morphis> Tofe: for luna-next (as compositor) it's part of qtbase
Nov 12 19:21:41 <morphis> look into src/plugins/platforms/eglfs/
Nov 12 19:21:51 <morphis> and for the client it's inside qtwayland
Nov 12 19:21:58 <Tofe> oh.
Nov 12 19:22:11 <morphis> src/plugins/platforms/wayland-egl afaik
Nov 12 19:22:24 <Tofe> yes, now that you say it, of course, that's obvious. I was a bit lost.
Nov 12 19:22:35 <Herrie> morphis: https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-lib/pull/4 is still pending it seems?
Nov 12 19:25:16 <Herrie> morphis: Will do that later or 2morrow morning :)
Nov 12 19:26:06 <Tofe> morphis: ok, they didn't implement setMask yet.
Nov 12 19:28:41 <morphis> Tofe: :)
Nov 12 19:32:37 <morphis> Herrie: done
Nov 12 19:34:51 <Tofe> morphis: so I'm changing my strategy, I'll try to resize the window of the keyboard, it's far less intrusive
Nov 12 19:36:20 <Tofe> it worked :)
Nov 12 19:36:34 <morphis> :)
Nov 12 19:36:42 <morphis> Tofe: btw. I don't get the keyboard visible
Nov 12 19:37:09 <Tofe> is maliit-server active ?
Nov 12 19:37:28 <morphis> yes, it takes 96% of the CPU
Nov 12 19:37:30 <Tofe> oh... I forgot to include a fix for the HOME env variable...
Nov 12 19:38:34 <Tofe> I'll prepare a PR for the maliit-env modification, and anothe one with the keyboard window resize commit
Nov 12 19:38:50 <Tofe> what path did you prefer ?
Nov 12 19:38:50 <morphis> ok
Nov 12 19:39:04 <Tofe> you named two, yesterday
Nov 12 19:39:27 <Tofe> something like /var/preference , and another one
Nov 12 19:39:33 <morphis> /var/lib/maliit
Nov 12 19:39:41 <Tofe> is that persistent ?
Nov 12 19:39:50 <morphis> yes
Nov 12 19:39:56 <morphis> and rw
Nov 12 19:40:02 <Tofe> I guess we want the new words learned to be memorized for next reboot :)
Nov 12 19:40:11 <morphis> for sure
Nov 12 19:40:51 <Tofe> I see /var/lib/maliit doesn't exist yet, I'll create it in the recipe
Nov 12 19:41:46 <morphis> Tofe: so just adding HOME=/var/lib/maliit to the maliit env?
Nov 12 19:42:03 <Tofe> yes
Nov 12 19:42:17 <Tofe> sqlite can be pretty stupid, it seems
Nov 12 19:42:39 <Tofe> there's no fallback for that getenv, and it tries indefinitely
Nov 12 19:43:25 <morphis> ah I see the ubuntu one
Nov 12 19:43:30 <Tofe> also, two bugs that you will see:
Nov 12 19:43:55 <Tofe> 1. the keyboard is not very high, it's because it believes it is in landscape mode. I just fixed that this evening.
Nov 12 19:44:33 <Tofe> 2. there are some missing images (shit, enter...): it's because the original ubuntu kb looked for those images in the icons directory, and I didn't migrate that code yet
Nov 12 19:44:41 <Tofe> shift*
Nov 12 19:44:43 <morphis> on the N7 it's heigh enough
Nov 12 19:45:14 <Tofe> yes, it always believes angle==0 corresponds to landscape...
Nov 12 19:45:27 <morphis> ok
Nov 12 19:45:42 <morphis> will merge the PR tomorrow and prepare everything then to be merged to master
Nov 12 19:45:56 <Tofe> :) good
Nov 12 19:46:12 <morphis> btw. I don't see the preedit bar
Nov 12 19:47:44 <Tofe> oh ?
Nov 12 19:48:03 <Tofe> what have I forgotten again...
Nov 12 19:48:29 <morphis> the configuration file?
Nov 12 19:48:35 <Tofe> yes !
Nov 12 19:48:48 <morphis> can you show me the content?
Nov 12 19:49:02 <morphis> need to leave but want to test it before
Nov 12 19:49:13 <Tofe> No... because, hm, well, I've hacked QGSettings on my computer, and I forgot to commit it
Nov 12 19:49:21 <morphis> ah ok
Nov 12 19:49:32 <morphis> np
Nov 12 19:49:44 <morphis> bye
Nov 12 19:49:48 <Tofe> I'll prepare a commit for that, sorry for the deception :)
Nov 12 19:49:51 <Tofe> bye!
Nov 12 20:11:49 <Tofe> Ah, I don't have write access to the webos-keyboard repository...
Nov 12 20:25:47 <Tofe> morphis: https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/pull/15 & https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/pull/15
Nov 12 20:25:59 <Tofe> morphis: I meant https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-keyboard/pull/1
Nov 12 20:27:05 <Tofe> morphis: I didn't have time yet to generate a settings file and test that it works and so on, so I just modified the default values of the settings so that it enables preedit.
Nov 12 20:29:40 <Tofe> bye!
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