**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 19 03:00:00 2013 Nov 19 07:49:56 morning Nov 19 08:19:03 morphis: morning Nov 19 08:23:10 morphis: Can you confirm if http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Build_setup is still actual? Seems like http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Grouper_Build_Setup has different steps? Or necessary to first do the build setup steps and then device specific ones? Nov 19 08:29:46 morning Nov 19 08:31:42 Herrie|Work|Veer, Tofe: morning Nov 19 08:31:45 Herrie|Work|Veer: will have a look Nov 19 14:19:44 hello Nov 19 14:20:05 ka6sox: any chance you took those wifi-app screenshots? Nov 19 14:25:48 WhiteBee: hilariously, i'm still working on my wifi app, for the gcw-zero. i had to double check which channel i was in. Nov 19 14:26:15 HaDAk: lol. how is it working out? Nov 19 14:26:34 WhiteBee: it's looking great Nov 19 14:26:54 http://cl.ly/image/002L1D0C3v3e Nov 19 14:27:06 i sent in my device for fixin', but i can still use fake data and work on GUI stuff Nov 19 14:27:26 i added hints. i like em. Nov 19 14:27:31 HaDAk: sexy :) Nov 19 14:27:39 it's getting there Nov 19 14:27:43 still need to fix that stupid menu Nov 19 14:28:14 http://cl.ly/image/2o3z343r3j0k Nov 19 14:29:00 nice. key is hidden on type? Nov 19 14:29:18 not yet. Nov 19 14:29:33 but i'll add that in the future. Nov 19 14:29:37 WhiteBee what screens you need exactly? Just all possible ones from WiFi app? Can do that when home I guess :) Nov 19 14:31:19 Herrie|Work|Veer: exactly. Looking at the code it is different than the Pre 3 one, so I can't use my phone to check it out Nov 19 14:31:25 HaDAk: :) Nov 19 14:36:56 OK will check when home in a few hrs :) Nov 19 14:37:13 3 or so that will be ;) Nov 19 14:38:37 i know it's not webos related, but can i get some feedback on my color scheme for those screenshots i posted? Nov 19 14:39:40 HaDAk: After you fix the keyboard for webOS LOL :P Blocked by our proxy at the office will check @ home Nov 19 14:40:48 Herrie|Work|Veer: >_> Nov 19 14:41:04 Herrie|Work|Veer: gotta get this done though! then, i can get to work on the keyboard. Nov 19 14:47:43 HaDAk: when you begin to work on the keyboard, please ping me, so we can discuss a bit what/how to modify the keyboard; for some layout changes, some QML changes will be needed Nov 19 14:48:12 Tofe: roger that Nov 19 15:01:26 Tofe/morphis/HaDAk: For Grouper/Maguro build setup. What's the correct Makefile to wget from webos-ports-setup? 1 Doc refers to dylan, another to danny? Nov 19 15:01:38 Or we need dora already? Nov 19 15:06:01 Herrie|Work|Veer: yes, dora is the right one Nov 19 15:08:40 OK :) Will update that in the template :) Nov 19 15:13:28 morphis: is webos-ports-dev-package the recommended target for such howto ? Nov 19 15:14:39 Tofe: hm, we should tell the user about both variants Nov 19 15:14:45 webos-ports-package and webos-ports-dev-package Nov 19 15:14:59 depending on his purpose it makes sense to either build the first or the second one Nov 19 15:16:19 package = "stable" and dev = "nightly" ? Nov 19 15:17:22 Herrie|Work|Veer: it's more about what tools are included, and also maybe some minor tweaks, but I'm not sure about that Nov 19 15:21:00 Herrie|Work|Veer: no Nov 19 15:21:17 webos-prots-dev-package just contains some development tools Nov 19 15:21:26 it has nothing to say about the quality Nov 19 15:22:04 Ah OK :) So just some more debugging/logging and possibly slightly slower on device because of this? Nov 19 15:22:18 yes Nov 19 15:22:38 it should not be slower but helps the developer because some tools are preinstaled Nov 19 15:23:25 Shouldn't be but the excessive logging on legacy devices did cause some slowdowns? Nov 19 15:30:21 Herrie: logging is currently not different between the two images Nov 19 15:39:07 morphis: OK thnx for clarification. Nov 19 15:39:29 Should we say dev-image is for devs and normal one for users not planning to develop? Nov 19 15:41:38 Are both images working because it's mentioned "only dev is supported currently"? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 19 15:44:21 2013 Nov 19 15:53:39 Herrie|Work|Veer: no, both images should work as normal Nov 19 15:56:19 OK :) Let me know once you checked the generic build setup bits and I'll finally complete these templates that have been overdue for way too long Nov 19 17:20:35 Tofe|Away: you already had success finding the focus problem? Nov 19 17:55:39 WhiteBee: http://www.herrie.org/WiFi%20Screenshots.zip Nov 19 17:56:24 HaDAk: Screens are a bit to pixelated for me, but for the rest it looks quite OK I'd say :) Nov 19 17:56:29 But I guess that's due to Python? Nov 19 17:56:36 Herrie: well, it's 320x240 Nov 19 17:56:41 Herrie: going on an embedded system Nov 19 17:56:45 WhiteBee: Took them from all screens I could find ;) Nov 19 17:56:50 Ah ok :) Well that explains :D Nov 19 17:56:52 Herrie: and i don't *think* i can do alpha blending and gradients Nov 19 17:57:26 You could make the keys a bit bigger when required, not sure what's the size of the screen ;) Nov 19 17:57:37 They look small to me, but if it's 10" screen it should be fine :P Nov 19 17:57:52 it's a 3.5" screen Nov 19 17:58:12 You could opt to align the keys nicer, so it looks more like a natural keyboard? Nov 19 17:58:36 thought about that, but it introduces some complications Nov 19 17:58:39 Move them half a key for A etc or 1 key Nov 19 17:58:42 since i have a key class and a keyboard class Nov 19 17:58:47 I guess that would... Nov 19 17:58:50 Just a wild thought Nov 19 17:58:57 yeah. i tried, but it wasn't working. Nov 19 17:59:04 it's not impossible, but more effort than its worth. Nov 19 17:59:38 Ah ok ;) Nov 19 17:59:47 For the rest I think it looks quite good :) Nov 19 17:59:51 i used to have a shift and enter key down there to fill the space Nov 19 17:59:55 but highlighting wasn't working Nov 19 17:59:59 thanks Nov 19 18:00:14 Ah ok Nov 19 18:00:22 somebody told me the grey color scheme made it look shitty Nov 19 18:00:33 i just wanted some other perspectives on it Nov 19 18:01:24 I think it's OK, reminds me something, just don't remember what exactly Nov 19 18:03:14 i'm glad it passes muster. Nov 19 18:03:23 webos users are some of the most picky visual people i know :) Nov 19 18:03:31 me being one of them. Nov 19 18:03:44 Well it's not the nicest i've seen, but as long as it server purpose ;) Nov 19 18:03:57 I don't like the font, but then again, it's 320x240 so veyr limited anyway Nov 19 18:04:00 it's not the nicest, no. Nov 19 18:04:03 Spoiled with PreLude I guess Nov 19 18:04:07 i like prelude. Nov 19 18:04:13 if prelude is open source, i can wedge it in ;D Nov 19 18:04:31 that'd make me happy. Nov 19 18:11:51 You can request to use it Nov 19 18:11:57 That's what the PivotCe guys did ;) Nov 19 18:13:03 http://pivotce.com/2013/10/12/webtype-gives-license-to-pivotce-com-for-webos-fonts/ Nov 19 18:14:22 my project isn't webOS related at all though Nov 19 18:14:28 would it weaken the brand? Nov 19 18:14:46 (btw, i use it as the default font on my nexus 4 in android) >_> Nov 19 18:20:10 you might notice some webos-ness here Nov 19 18:20:10 http://imgur.com/YHbZBfv Nov 19 18:31:38 LOL saw that one before ;) Nov 19 19:30:11 HaDAk, Herrie: a new build for maguro, grouper and vbox is currently running Nov 19 19:30:18 has an updated keyboard Nov 19 19:30:23 morphis: yahoo :) Nov 19 19:30:31 HaDAk: so ready for you to style it Nov 19 19:30:31 i'll try to remember to update tomorrow. Nov 19 19:30:52 haha, getting there morphis! i promiseā€¦ this code i'm working on is looking good. just trying to figure a few things out with no help :P Nov 19 19:31:01 hey, did you ever look into getting md5sums on the build server? Nov 19 19:31:13 HaDAk: should be something for JaMa Nov 19 19:31:30 it would make my script much more useful. Nov 19 19:33:00 JaMa: created a card for it on the board Nov 19 19:34:23 HaDAk: I will create a card for you too on the board Nov 19 19:34:28 to style the keyboard Nov 19 19:34:52 what board? what cards? what are you talking about? Nov 19 19:35:02 https://trello.com/b/TIZXk0xw/luna-next Nov 19 19:35:21 oh lord Nov 19 19:35:24 ok then. Nov 19 19:36:20 Herrie: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Build_setup is correct Nov 19 19:39:21 morphis: how do i become a member of this? Nov 19 19:39:37 HaDAk: give me your mail address so I can invite you Nov 19 19:39:42 skipmeister123@gmail.com Nov 19 19:40:24 done Nov 19 19:40:27 thanks. Nov 19 19:44:03 what the crap is this? http://webos-ports.org/wiki/New_Page Nov 19 19:44:08 it's like 1999 vomited all over my browser. Nov 19 19:44:19 HaDAk: morphis: will do, it's simple adition to staging scripts (and I already have it for SHR..) Nov 19 19:44:39 JaMa: lemme know when it's implemented. i'll add the functionality into my script. Nov 19 19:44:51 i'll add switches to do other devices at that time too. Nov 19 19:48:19 Herrie: thanks Nov 19 21:05:32 HaDAk: That's a new start page in the making (still needs lots of work I know :-P) You're welcome to do graphics stuff for it :-P Nov 19 21:11:03 morphis: Thanks will work based on that. Are there different prerequisites for building dev-image and normal or the same? Nov 19 21:12:56 Herrie|2: no, they are always the same Nov 19 21:13:33 OK great, should have some time tomorrow to get those templates ironed out so I can focus on other wiki stuff :-) Nov 19 21:14:53 great Nov 19 21:15:06 Tofe|Away: do you mind rebasing on the latest ubuntu-keyboard? Nov 19 21:15:17 Tofe|Away: they have some updates to enable audio feedback Nov 19 21:15:29 would be a good indicator to show that audio is working Nov 19 21:43:52 morphis: hmm which images don't have .md5 files? Nov 19 21:44:15 ext4 and zip? Nov 19 21:44:39 because the rest seems to have them Nov 19 21:55:06 JaMa: HaDAk said they are missing Nov 19 21:55:30 what's missing? Nov 19 21:55:39 md5 Nov 19 21:55:54 JaMa: ah yes, zip images are missing them Nov 19 21:56:26 HaDAk: 1999 page is my redesign of the main page for ports :P Nov 19 21:56:40 Herrie: next time, don't own up to that LOL Nov 19 21:56:45 also, i know. Nov 19 21:56:56 it's a good start. just needs some TLC. Nov 19 21:56:58 LOL :P Nov 19 21:57:04 I know ;) Graphics are not my thing ;) Nov 19 21:57:11 Mainly based on CM with lots of changes ;) Nov 19 21:58:18 i understand. no worries. Nov 19 22:00:39 Some work has been done by Andrew on CSS and other layout things, see http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Home Nov 19 22:00:48 webos-ports.org/wiki/About_OpenWebOS Nov 19 22:01:01 Just need to iron things out and apply to other pages still ;) Nov 19 22:01:21 And move a lot of things around and structure better ;) Nov 19 22:01:35 Just will get those templates sorted tomorrow finally hopefully been taking way too long Nov 19 22:02:43 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/About_OpenWebOS looks pretty damn nice. Nov 19 22:05:21 Yes Andrew has been writing that ;) Needs some TLC still, but it's a good start ;) Nov 19 22:08:56 Lots of commits lately @ OWO ;) Nov 19 22:09:04 Seems like speed is picking up before a release :P Nov 19 22:11:58 HaDAk: for which files you're missing .md5? only .zip? Nov 19 22:12:32 JaMa: I need them for the zip files and the kernel images Nov 19 22:12:41 HaDAk: I've already added them for ext4 and zip (will be in next staging) Nov 19 22:12:56 fastboot kernel images have them Nov 19 22:12:59 ok. Nov 19 22:13:08 once they're in there, i can start adding it to my script. Nov 19 22:13:16 even that is in line though Nov 19 22:13:29 .bin as well Nov 19 22:13:47 only .ext3 and .vmdk for qemu images if you need it for them Nov 19 22:16:40 i don't need that stuff right now. it might not be bad to have, anyway Nov 19 22:16:41 JaMa: Why not do for all? I can't imagine it takes much resources? Nov 19 22:17:35 just because the script lists extensions (e.g. it needs to ignore .md5 files :)) Nov 19 22:18:02 when I was writting it for first time it had only very few extensions in it, that's why :) Nov 19 22:19:33 Ah OK ;) Might be easier to do it for everything except .md5? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 20 02:59:58 2013