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Dec 01 12:27:57 <morphis> morning
Dec 01 13:11:53 <i2y4n> morphis: what's the next step for the tweaks app?
Dec 01 13:12:16 <morphis> i2y4n: do you have made any changes to the source?
Dec 01 13:13:05 <i2y4n> I just fixed the couple syntax errors on my emulator
Dec 01 13:14:12 <morphis> i2y4n: next step would be to create a git commit and propose a pull-request against https://github.com/webos-internals/tweaks
Dec 01 13:15:16 <i2y4n> morphis: if only it were that simple. guess i'm learning how to use git next, haha
Dec 01 13:15:31 <morphis> right :)
Dec 01 13:16:06 <morphis> i2y4n: https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git
Dec 01 13:23:33 <i2y4n> morphis: Is this warning a problem? Or is it just showing up because no tweaks are installed? --> WARNING: Executing pending window params, but no params list found.
Dec 01 13:24:09 <morphis> ignore it, it's not a problem with the app
Dec 01 13:27:59 <i2y4n> morphis: kk, off to learning github. is there a deadline for the tweaks app? I don't have much time this week and sleep sounds really good right now
Dec 01 13:28:18 <morphis> i2y4n: no, no deadline
Dec 01 13:28:22 <morphis> just do it when you have time
Dec 01 13:28:35 <morphis> it's not urgent
Dec 01 15:14:43 <Tofe> morning
Dec 01 15:15:48 <WhiteBee> Hey all
Dec 01 15:16:20 <WhiteBee> wanted to ask something about webos-ports
Dec 01 15:17:13 <WhiteBee> morphis told me that luna-next is somewhat of a desktop environment like gnome
Dec 01 15:17:32 <morphis> WhiteBee, Tofe: hey
Dec 01 15:17:36 <morphis> WhiteBee: yes
Dec 01 15:17:52 <WhiteBee> so, is webos-ports a linux distribution?
Dec 01 15:17:56 <WhiteBee> same as ubuntu?
Dec 01 15:18:02 <morphis> for sure
Dec 01 15:18:19 <WhiteBee> ok. why then not fork an existing one?
Dec 01 15:18:28 <morphis> :)
Dec 01 15:18:40 <morphis> thats a complex question
Dec 01 15:18:43 <WhiteBee> I don't know what make a bunch of software on top of linux a distro, but I guess there's much ubuntu has done
Dec 01 15:18:49 <WhiteBee> (ubuntu is just an example)
Dec 01 15:18:54 <morphis> basically we're using OpenEmbedded as a base
Dec 01 15:19:02 <morphis> which Open webOS also uses
Dec 01 15:19:15 <morphis> and OpenEmbedded is a distribution builder for embedded purpose
Dec 01 15:19:44 <morphis> so we're inheriting all the good things from OpenEmbedded/Yocto which is all we need
Dec 01 15:20:04 <morphis> so the base distribution work is shared with a lot of other people/companies
Dec 01 15:20:20 <morphis> WhiteBee: see https://www.yoctoproject.org/
Dec 01 15:20:31 <WhiteBee> I'll take a look
Dec 01 15:20:42 <WhiteBee> so if speaking of webos-ports work directly
Dec 01 15:20:50 <WhiteBee> what software is missing for the distro to be complete?
Dec 01 15:20:59 <WhiteBee> luna-next as a UI, and that is basically it?
Dec 01 15:21:32 <Tofe> "to be complete" can be quite vague when talking about a distro
Dec 01 15:21:59 <Tofe> it's complete when the goal is achieved
Dec 01 15:22:04 <morphis> WhiteBee: basically you can run any linux application which uses wayland in the backend on top of luna-next
Dec 01 15:22:25 <morphis> WhiteBee: and one important aspect: we're not a general purpose distribution like Ubuntu
Dec 01 15:22:27 <WhiteBee> Tofe: true. How about usable?
Dec 01 15:23:39 <morphis> WhiteBee: the problem is that you can't easily take software A and plug it into a system B
Dec 01 15:23:44 <morphis> you need to integrate both
Dec 01 15:23:51 <WhiteBee> morphis: running any wayland application is amazing. and what's the difference?
Dec 01 15:24:04 <morphis> to what?
Dec 01 15:24:17 <WhiteBee> general purpose distro and webos-ports
Dec 01 15:24:36 <WhiteBee> its just linux running on different hardware
Dec 01 15:24:54 <WhiteBee> (saying "just" a lot, but completely getting that these are complex things)
Dec 01 15:24:55 <Tofe> WhiteBee: it's as general as Sailfish OS
Dec 01 15:25:16 <morphis> webos-ports is build to power one specific use case: build a webOS like operating system but it will never give you a gnome based desktop
Dec 01 15:25:30 <morphis> Ubuntu offers you both
Dec 01 15:25:42 <WhiteBee> morphis: but once you do the one-time job of making gnome work, you get a general purpose desktop
Dec 01 15:26:04 <morphis> and then?
Dec 01 15:26:13 <morphis> what are you doing with it on a phone for example?
Dec 01 15:26:40 <WhiteBee> I dunno
Dec 01 15:26:54 <WhiteBee> I'm amazed by this interoperability, that's all
Dec 01 15:27:08 <morphis> :)
Dec 01 15:27:14 <WhiteBee> how is it that everyone is on windows with stuff like that
Dec 01 15:27:38 <WhiteBee> Tofe, morphis: thanks for explaining!
Dec 01 15:27:52 <Tofe> WhiteBee: you're welcome.
Dec 01 15:29:30 <morphis> WhiteBee: yes, those things are amazing and it gets more amazing everyday but in detail there are always a lot of problems to solve
Dec 01 15:29:44 <Tofe> morphis: don't you have compilation problems with qtwebkit ? something about a "mPrivileged" class member
Dec 01 15:30:18 <morphis> no
Dec 01 15:30:36 <morphis> Tofe: make sure you're using latest meta-webos-ports
Dec 01 15:30:47 <Tofe> I think I do, but I'll check
Dec 01 15:32:18 <morphis> you need https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/commit/188c0f5ca95e7f9b74da2879b77e8c2bfe0515a6
Dec 01 15:41:56 <Tofe> I should have that one
Dec 01 15:42:03 <Tofe> ok, there must be something wrong on my side
Dec 01 15:45:13 <morphis> ok
Dec 01 15:45:20 <morphis> as with that it should work
Dec 01 15:45:29 <morphis> Tofe: btw. I have some fixes for the launcher
Dec 01 15:48:44 <Tofe> tmp-eglibc/work/i586-webos-linux/qtwebkit/5.1.0+gitAUTOINC+8b9609b9d5-r0/git/Source/WebCore/page/Settings.cpp:623:18: error: cannot convert 'WebCore::Settings::privileged' from type 'bool (WebCore::Settings::)()' to type 'bool'
Dec 01 15:48:44 <Tofe> m_privileged = privileged;
Dec 01 15:49:01 <Tofe> morphis: oh, great, please commit
Dec 01 15:49:30 <Tofe> morphis: and could you please change the default branch to "master" ?
Dec 01 15:49:38 <Tofe> only the admin can do that
Dec 01 15:50:38 <morphis> did that already
Dec 01 15:50:51 <morphis> Tofe: hm
Dec 01 15:51:26 <Tofe> I'll check my meta-qt5 repo
Dec 01 15:52:47 <morphis> that should not be a problem ..
Dec 01 15:53:00 <morphis> ah stop
Dec 01 15:53:08 * Tofe stops
Dec 01 15:54:23 <morphis> it's my fault
Dec 01 15:54:28 <morphis> bump SRCREV for qtwebkit to 3fc88ae537b897fd78047eb29f835cebfbf9fa5e
Dec 01 15:54:32 <morphis> then it will work
Dec 01 15:55:46 <Tofe> ok
Dec 01 15:56:05 <morphis> Tofe: pushed the luna-sysmgr rework too
Dec 01 15:56:27 <Tofe> ok !
Dec 01 15:56:58 <morphis> Tofe: https://github.com/webOS-ports/webapp-launcher/pull/3
Dec 01 16:02:34 <Tofe> morphis: yes, my initialize thing with a timer was just to be sure I didn't create the WebApplication too soon, but it's almost sure it's not needed
Dec 01 16:02:51 <morphis> ok
Dec 01 16:03:15 <Tofe> merged
Dec 01 16:04:41 <morphis> thanks
Dec 01 16:04:55 <morphis> Tofe: btw. we need care a little bit about memory/cpu management soon
Dec 01 16:05:22 <Tofe> yes, that's the next step now, as soon as the launcher works well
Dec 01 16:07:03 <morphis> Tofe: the launcher needs quite a lot time to create the window
Dec 01 16:07:19 <morphis> I think we can boost this with doing some preloading
Dec 01 16:08:44 <Tofe> Could be, yes
Dec 01 16:09:30 <Tofe> (my qtwebkit compilation seems happy now)
Dec 01 16:11:18 <morphis> :)
Dec 01 16:11:34 <morphis> Tofe: either we do the preloading in LunaSysMgr
Dec 01 16:11:41 <morphis> or we create another daemon which cares about such things
Dec 01 16:12:11 <morphis> my morphis/work branch for meta-webos-ports has now everything you need to build with the new webapp-launcher
Dec 01 16:12:17 <morphis> should be fully functional now
Dec 01 16:19:47 <Tofe> great :)
Dec 01 16:26:58 <morphis> Tofe: you know about systemd's concept of scopes and slices?
Dec 01 17:02:10 <Tofe> morphis: no, not at all :)
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