**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 06 02:59:59 2014
Jan 06 05:19:59 * DougReeder waves hello
Jan 06 05:24:30 <scoutcamper> hello
Jan 06 05:24:53 * scoutcamper *drool* over nivida ces accouncement: 192 cuda core SOC
Jan 06 05:24:59 <scoutcamper> nvidia*
Jan 06 05:27:41 <DougReeder> When I finish some stuff I've already committed to (in a month or three), I'll have time to work on webos-ports. What's most needed?
Jan 06 05:28:26 <scoutcamper> thats really a morphis question to go into details, i am just finally getting some time to get back involved  myself
Jan 06 05:29:15 <morphis> DougReeder: what are your skills?
Jan 06 05:29:23 <scoutcamper> official quote from nvidia ces keynote "Tegra K1 is impossibly advanced. It's out of this world. It's practically built by aliens."
Jan 06 05:29:28 <DougReeder> the wiki is a trifle vague - http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Contributors
Jan 06 05:30:01 <DougReeder> I'm up on Enyo 2 and JavaScript services.
Jan 06 05:30:38 <DougReeder> ...and in a past life, I wrote Palm OS apps in C
Jan 06 05:31:01 <scoutcamper> mmmmm
Jan 06 05:31:07 <morphis> sounds like what we need most :)
Jan 06 05:31:08 <scoutcamper> good ol palm os :)
Jan 06 05:31:30 <morphis> DougReeder: we still need a lot of work on the core app front
Jan 06 05:32:00 * DougReeder nods. "any apps most in need?"
Jan 06 05:32:27 <DougReeder> ... for daily usage?
Jan 06 05:32:34 <morphis> I know kesne was working on a rewrite of the calendar application
Jan 06 05:32:45 <morphis> and Whitebee on a rewrite of the contacts app
Jan 06 05:33:02 <morphis> but both are not really progressing in the past
Jan 06 05:33:27 <morphis> there is one other things which needs to be done
Jan 06 05:33:42 <morphis> there is the account management app which is currently written in enyo1
Jan 06 05:34:06 <morphis> https://github.com/webOS-ports/core-apps/tree/master/com.palm.app.accounts
Jan 06 05:34:29 * DougReeder nods. Accounts might be a good warmup.
Jan 06 05:34:50 <morphis> it uses some kinds from https://github.com/webOS-ports/enyo-1.0/tree/master/framework/lib/accounts/source
Jan 06 05:35:01 <DougReeder> ... and I've written Synergy apps, but not connectors
Jan 06 05:35:47 <morphis> I would see two tasks for the accounts app here:
Jan 06 05:36:16 <morphis> move all kinds from https://github.com/webOS-ports/enyo-1.0/tree/master/framework/lib/accounts/source into a new enyo library called webos-accounts-lib
Jan 06 05:36:23 <morphis> and port them to enyo 2
Jan 06 05:36:48 <morphis> then use them within a new accounts page in our settings app https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.settings
Jan 06 05:37:24 <morphis> DougReeder: do you think thats something you can do?
Jan 06 05:38:42 <DougReeder> The functionality of the old Accounts app will benimplemented in the new Settings app?
Jan 06 05:39:40 <morphis> yes
Jan 06 05:39:50 <morphis> we are going to group all settings within one app
Jan 06 05:40:50 <DougReeder> That sounds doable.
Jan 06 05:40:52 <morphis> DougReeder: if you are fine with this I will go and create a webos-accounts-lib repository
Jan 06 05:41:16 <morphis> DougReeder: so you said you need to finish something else first, right?
Jan 06 05:41:51 <DougReeder> Yes - it could be months before I can make usefuld contributions.
Jan 06 05:42:12 <DougReeder> I don't want to promise what I can't deliver.
Jan 06 05:42:57 <morphis> ok
Jan 06 05:43:15 <morphis> even small things are good contributions!
Jan 06 05:43:33 * DougReeder nods
Jan 06 05:44:11 <DougReeder> I've just been poking around - where are the directions for setting up a dev machine?
Jan 06 05:44:18 <morphis> so just moving the account management kinds out of enyo 1 into webos-accounts-lib would be a small first step
Jan 06 05:44:50 <morphis> the easiest way is using the emulator: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Emulator
Jan 06 05:44:52 <DougReeder> building is done on a virtual machine, yes?
Jan 06 05:47:12 <morphis> what do you mean with "building"? the os? or an app?
Jan 06 05:47:26 <DougReeder> building the os
Jan 06 05:47:36 <morphis> that depends
Jan 06 05:47:51 <morphis> I am running Ubuntu as my main system so I am building directly on it
Jan 06 05:48:12 <morphis> but if you just want to do app development there is no need to build the entire  os on your own
Jan 06 05:48:19 <DougReeder> does the Settings app usefully run in browsers?
Jan 06 05:48:29 <DougReeder> ok
Jan 06 05:50:21 <morphis> yes
Jan 06 05:50:32 <morphis> it can't do any service requests but it's "usable"
Jan 06 05:50:49 <morphis> but you can just download and use the emulator also for development
Jan 06 05:52:15 <DougReeder> So, the Emulator is like the Emulatos for old versions of webOS? I use palm-install to install apps?
Jan 06 05:52:41 <morphis> I didn't tested palm-install with it but otherwise you can simply use ssh to copy the app over into the emulator
Jan 06 05:52:54 * DougReeder nods
Jan 06 05:53:26 <morphis> I have to leave
Jan 06 05:53:33 <DougReeder> Thanks!
Jan 06 05:53:41 <morphis> lets continue talking later
Jan 06 05:53:42 <morphis> bye
Jan 06 06:39:52 <Herrie> scoutcamper: ping
Jan 06 06:45:11 <Herrie> ka6sox: ping
Jan 06 07:10:22 <Herrie> Jan: Good morning :)
Jan 06 07:10:28 <Herrie> Thanks for the File Manager :)
Jan 06 07:10:32 <Herrie> Will it work on legacy as well?
Jan 06 07:12:41 <Herrie> Seems like it does, starts on my Veer and shows folders :D
Jan 06 08:58:42 <hrtsea> hi everyone
Jan 06 09:31:06 <Tofe> morning
Jan 06 09:36:34 <Herrie|Work|Veer> morning
Jan 06 11:11:03 <JaMa> morphis: one of our qtbase patches won't apply at all because maliit input context was removed completely in 5.2.0 https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/commit/80cb575953e3a282593570e1583938b6475bc0d3 not sure what it will cause to us yet
Jan 06 11:19:21 <JaMa> morphis: and is Pending in https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/blob/master/recipes-qt/qt5/qtbase/0004-Don-t-crash-when-platform-integration-isn-t-availabl.patch really meant that it wasn't submitted upstream yet?
Jan 06 11:19:38 <JaMa> morphis: I haven't found it on qt gerrit, but that link to review is a bit confusing :)
Jan 06 11:58:29 <JaMa> morphis: FYI: I'll push rebased qtwebkit to webOS-ports/master-next for easier testing
Jan 06 12:28:12 <JaMa> morphis: most conflicts were in qtwayland, but I think I'm done with it, now trying to test it, pushed to meta-webos-ports/jansa/qt5-5.2.0
Jan 06 13:33:22 <Herrie|Work|Veer> JaMa: Looks like your last commit to changelog for version 10 wiped it completely? Can you check? The json seems gone completely?
Jan 06 13:37:19 <HaDAk> http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/01/05/demo/
Jan 06 13:37:20 * HaDAk faps
Jan 06 13:39:35 <JaMa> Herrie|Work|Veer: oh hell, I must be blind, sorry
Jan 06 13:50:31 <Herrie|Work|Veer> thnx working now again :)
Jan 06 16:05:41 <scoutcamper> morning guys!
Jan 06 16:05:48 <scoutcamper> who is watching the LG keynote?
Jan 06 16:13:26 <cobblemonster> me
Jan 06 16:13:31 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Watching :)
Jan 06 16:14:08 <Herrie|Work|Veer> scoutcamper: Since you're about... Are you admin for woce on GitHub?
Jan 06 16:14:24 * scoutcamper checks
Jan 06 16:17:10 <scoutcamper> i am not an admin, but i can merge PR's
Jan 06 16:19:13 <Herrie|Work|Veer> OK there should be 2 pending from me for Wiki URL update
Jan 06 16:19:36 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Not sure there are any others pending from other devs? Who is admin for it?
Jan 06 16:19:50 <scoutcamper> ka6sox, is an admin
Jan 06 16:20:53 <scoutcamper> Herrie|Work|Veer, i only see one PR from you, and no others from anyone
Jan 06 16:21:02 <Herrie|Work|Veer> ok he hasn't been around much lately...
Jan 06 16:22:24 <Herrie|Work|Veer> ok can you merge that one? Other one was in Ports I see...
Jan 06 16:22:37 <scoutcamper> merged.
Jan 06 16:24:57 <Herrie|Work|Veer> ok will do another when home and ping you :)
Jan 06 16:26:27 <scoutcamper> k
Jan 06 16:26:48 <scoutcamper> new LG plasmas running webos!!!
Jan 06 16:26:51 * scoutcamper needs 3
Jan 06 16:27:04 <scoutcamper> webos will be on the 105" TV
Jan 06 16:27:14 * scoutcamper hides his wallet
Jan 06 16:27:41 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Plasma? Thought these are OLED? Didn't see plasmas? or I missed it....
Jan 06 16:28:00 <scoutcamper> "LG will have four new series of plasma TV, five models in total, for 2014.
Jan 06 16:28:00 <scoutcamper> "
Jan 06 16:28:06 <scoutcamper> from theverge live blog
Jan 06 16:28:33 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Looking to upgrade my 42"... Want to go for 65" Pana but LG might convince me with webOS :P
Jan 06 16:28:57 <Herrie|Work|Veer> 105 too big for me :P
Jan 06 16:29:27 <scoutcamper> i have a 55" panasonic in my main room, and my parents have a 40" seiki in their bedroom, i may have to go for something 40-50" in my bedroom running webos.
Jan 06 16:29:45 <scoutcamper> now thwe magic question: is webos20090606 still programmed in?
Jan 06 16:31:01 <Herrie|Work|Veer> It should be in LunaSysMgr :P
Jan 06 16:31:11 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Only time will tell....
Jan 06 16:31:55 <scoutcamper> i want a webos fridge lg! make it happen.(my fridge is getting old)
Jan 06 16:35:16 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Have an 8 yr old Samsung that could be replaced LOL
Jan 06 16:36:41 <scoutcamper> mine is aproaching 14 years old
Jan 06 16:38:41 <Herrie|Work|Veer> If they could make them less shiny & ugly that would be good :P
Jan 06 16:52:05 <Garfonso> morning
Jan 06 17:42:20 <Garfonso> hm.. I fear that not soo much of the new webOS on TV will be of any use on the mobile devices..
Jan 06 17:59:51 <HaDAk> it's a start.
Jan 06 18:09:08 <morphis> morning
Jan 06 18:09:48 <HaDAk> mornin morphis
Jan 06 18:10:36 <morphis> looks like the world is impressed by the new webOS
Jan 06 18:10:53 <HaDAk> i haven't read much coverage yet.
Jan 06 18:10:56 <HaDAk> but i'm not surprised
Jan 06 18:12:40 <morphis> HaDAk: why?
Jan 06 18:12:58 <HaDAk> uhm. because i haven't had time?
Jan 06 18:13:16 <morphis> ah :)
Jan 06 18:45:55 <HaDAk> i'm watching Roy__. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuNr3PMkn88
Jan 06 18:49:28 * scoutcamper was at that one HaDAk 
Jan 06 18:49:35 <HaDAk> lucky.
Jan 06 18:52:16 <Herrie> HaDAk: Any chance you could mock up an icon for the PDF app?
Jan 06 18:52:24 <Herrie> HP/LG didn't open source the icon of the old app ;)
Jan 06 18:52:31 <Herrie> And we have a more or less working app ready :D
Jan 06 18:52:50 <HaDAk> do you have style guidelines?
Jan 06 18:53:54 <Herrie> Well we have an icon template ;)
Jan 06 18:54:20 <Herrie> http://webos-ports.org/images/c/c8/WebOS-app-icon-background.png
Jan 06 18:54:31 <Herrie> So when you add something so people know it's PDF it would do :D
Jan 06 18:55:28 <HaDAk> i'll take a look.
Jan 06 18:56:36 <Herrie> I could od it myself but it's more in your league ;)
Jan 06 18:56:45 <Herrie> I'm really poor with these things :P
Jan 06 18:57:03 <HaDAk> :)
Jan 06 18:57:08 <HaDAk> it'll take a bit of time, but i'll work on it.
Jan 06 19:03:36 <Herrie> Thnx :) Any any what is a bit of time in your area :P ?
Jan 06 19:03:47 <Herrie> Seeing you're stuck at home you should have plenty LOL :P
Jan 06 19:03:58 <HaDAk> heh. at home, but still working.
Jan 06 19:08:01 <Herrie> ka6sox: ping
Jan 06 19:16:45 <HaDAk> is hp doing anything with openwebos that we know of?
Jan 06 19:16:54 <HaDAk> are they still contributing code?
Jan 06 19:17:14 <Herrie> Scoutcamper: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/51
Jan 06 19:17:24 <Herrie> HaDAk: Seems they do stuff for Ares 2 still I think?
Jan 06 19:17:32 <HaDAk> marginally helpful.
Jan 06 19:17:36 <HaDAk> how about lunasysmgr? :|
Jan 06 19:17:42 <Herrie> For the rest haven't seen anything from them
Jan 06 19:17:50 <HaDAk> uhg
Jan 06 19:19:02 <EricBlade> so... uh... whatchoo guys think?
Jan 06 19:20:19 <HaDAk> EricBlade, did you read my reddit post?
Jan 06 19:20:55 <HaDAk> http://www.reddit.com/r/webos/comments/1ubd7l/an_open_letter_to_lg/
Jan 06 19:23:55 <Herrie> HaDAk: I doubt that they do anything to be honest... HP couldn't care less... They want to be the umptieth Android :S
Jan 06 19:24:01 <Herrie> No diversification, nothing
Jan 06 19:24:14 <Herrie> Their current devices are worse spec wise compared to TP Go for example :S
Jan 06 19:24:17 <Herrie> Go figure
Jan 06 19:24:52 <HaDAk> :|
Jan 06 19:26:01 <morphis> ka6sox: ping
Jan 06 19:32:38 <Tofe> am I right to say that the popup-bg.png image corresponds to the background of the power menu ?
Jan 06 20:06:34 <Tofe> mmmh I'm failing to find the images used by LSM for the power menu, it seems
Jan 06 20:08:00 <morphis> Tofe: let me find them for you
Jan 06 20:08:35 <morphis> Tofe: possible that they are here: https://github.com/openwebos/luna-systemui/tree/master/images
Jan 06 20:09:13 <Tofe> oooh, did see that
Jan 06 20:10:12 <Tofe> didn't*
Jan 06 20:10:46 <morphis> :)
Jan 06 20:11:32 <Tofe> yes, that's the ones, palm-notification-button*
Jan 06 20:11:45 <Tofe> Apache2 license too ?
Jan 06 20:12:05 <Tofe> yep
Jan 06 20:12:45 <morphis> right
Jan 06 20:14:25 <morphis> Tofe: there is a signal palm://com.palm.display/com/palm/display/powerKeyPressed you can listen for
Jan 06 20:15:28 <morphis> Tofe: btw. do you have boot problems with your gnexus?
Jan 06 20:15:48 <Tofe> morphis: since quite some time, yes
Jan 06 20:15:58 <morphis> you know since when?
Jan 06 20:16:12 <Tofe> would say during november
Jan 06 20:16:25 <morphis> ok
Jan 06 20:16:27 <morphis> Tofe: https://github.com/openwebos/luna-systemui/blob/master/data/PowerdService.js#L32
Jan 06 20:16:36 <morphis> thats an example for the powerKeyPressed signal
Jan 06 20:16:41 <Tofe> maybe a kernel update brought some instability in the boot
Jan 06 20:17:06 <morphis> I think so too
Jan 06 20:17:10 <morphis> or a systemd update
Jan 06 20:17:20 * Tofe did bet on " luna://org.webosports.powerkey/getStatus", not so far !
Jan 06 20:49:46 <morphis> Tofe: I have an kernel update pending for the gnexus and will improve the situation
Jan 06 21:01:43 <morphis> JaMa: I pushed some changes to dora
Jan 06 21:02:00 <morphis> we can build them and create a new stage
Jan 06 21:02:57 <JaMa> ack
Jan 06 21:03:35 <JaMa> morphis: seen my messages about qt5 upgrade?
Jan 06 21:03:46 <morphis> JaMa: I saw your branch
Jan 06 21:04:32 <morphis> JaMa: it builds fine?
Jan 06 21:04:41 <HaDAk> http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/6/5280546/lg-webos-software-hands-on-video
Jan 06 21:05:41 <JaMa> morphis: last issue is icu not found in qtwebkit
Jan 06 21:08:12 <morphis> JaMa: hm
Jan 06 21:10:05 <morphis> JaMa: thanks for starting the builds
Jan 06 21:10:27 <morphis> ok have to leave for today
Jan 06 21:10:28 <morphis> gn8
Jan 06 22:06:19 <Tofe> HaDAk: 00:45: they fucked up the keyboard ;)
Jan 06 22:09:03 <Tofe> ok now gn8 !
Jan 06 22:23:02 <HaDAk> i saw that
Jan 06 22:26:26 <HaDAk> webos port target? http://neo900.org/
Jan 06 22:26:27 <HaDAk> :)
Jan 07 01:15:19 <hrtsea> build 010 is ok? can pass the test?
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