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Jan 22 08:53:00 <morphis> Herrie: no need for the app id
Jan 22 08:53:07 <morphis> we just need to list the package names
Jan 22 09:06:25 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> OK can we just use regular HTML 5 file api to read the file?
Jan 22 09:09:05 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> I assume our WebKit supports window.File, window.FileReader, window.FileList and window.Blob ?
Jan 22 09:10:47 <morphis> that should be possible
Jan 22 09:11:07 <morphis> currently every app can access every single file in the filesystem when it knows the path for it
Jan 22 09:11:24 <morphis> so accessing a file with file://usr/share/licenses/... should be possible
Jan 22 09:11:37 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> That's the quickest and easiest I can find in Javascript :) Should be so straight forward I can do it probably :)
Jan 22 09:11:38 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Pre3: so the service only has to list the files per packages
Jan 22 09:11:45 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Pre3: ok
Jan 22 09:12:12 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Pre3: btw. even with qt 5.3 qtwebengine will not have all the features we need ..
Jan 22 09:19:17 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> OK :) Need to get my head around how to test this stuff but will look at PDF and FileManager for some ideas :)
Jan 22 09:32:56 <morphis> Herrie: you should be able to do all this work on the emulator
Jan 22 09:33:14 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Pre3: ah, can you create a card for this on the luna-next board?
Jan 22 09:35:00 <Garfonso> Herrie|Work|Pre3: if it is meant to be a service, you better look into node.js. It has its own file api
Jan 22 09:37:05 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Me being n00b why wouldn't use HTML5 for this? or there's an unwritten rule to u
Jan 22 09:37:07 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Pre3: you have to do some service work as none of the html file API's let you list the content of a local directory!
Jan 22 09:37:18 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> se node.js for services?
Jan 22 09:38:11 <morphis> yes
Jan 22 09:38:34 <morphis> you need to do the package list and the listing of the licenses per package in the service
Jan 22 09:38:50 <morphis> but you can read the license content through the HTML API's
Jan 22 09:43:44 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> OK, guess I can work it out :)
Jan 22 09:50:12 <morphis> Garfonso: you already had time to look into the mediaindexer?
Jan 22 09:51:34 <Garfonso> a bit.
Jan 22 09:52:05 <Garfonso> I'm currently wondering how to best parse ID3 tags and stuff like that...
Jan 22 09:52:22 <Garfonso> there is a node-module for that which I wanted to try
Jan 22 09:52:58 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> There's also something called id3.js not sure if that's of any use?
Jan 22 09:53:03 <Garfonso> if that works out, then there is only the length missing.
Jan 22 09:54:07 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> There's also another one called JavaScript-ID3-Reader that does ACC as well
Jan 22 09:54:24 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> AAC that should be... wIRC sucks on Pre 3 :'(
Jan 22 09:54:28 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Miss my Veer...
Jan 22 09:54:48 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Music Player sucks too, lags all the time and skips :'(
Jan 22 09:56:39 <Garfonso> I wanted to try this one: https://npmjs.org/package/musicmetadata seems to be developed quite actively and supports a lot of formats.
Jan 22 09:57:29 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Yeah found that one just now too :)
Jan 22 09:58:06 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> node-ffprobe might work too,  but requires ffmpeg I think
Jan 22 09:58:52 <Garfonso> yes, there are a lot of wrappers around some native binaries...
Jan 22 09:59:07 <Garfonso> mediainfo is another one
Jan 22 10:08:27 <morphis> Garfonso: mainly we have to make sure that we're able to extend the service for different media types
Jan 22 10:08:39 <morphis> like music, documents,pictures, videos, ...
Jan 22 10:08:42 <Garfonso> yes
Jan 22 10:09:09 <morphis> and one other things: the memory/cpu usage needs to be low
Jan 22 10:09:59 <Garfonso> I'll try to separate the file-system stuff from the mediatype handling.
Jan 22 10:11:21 <morphis> another thing is that using musicmetadata seems to require a lot of other node.js modules
Jan 22 10:11:29 <Garfonso> CPU usage should be no problem, but memory will require some careful consideration.
Jan 22 10:11:41 <Garfonso> yes, I saw that and did not like it too much.
Jan 22 10:12:18 <morphis> the think is that we have to install all those node modules within the OE process
Jan 22 10:12:31 <morphis> and I don't know how well we can use npm
Jan 22 10:13:51 <Garfonso> ah, ok.. so that's an issue then...
Jan 22 10:16:01 <morphis> Garfonso: you're good in C++
Jan 22 10:16:04 <morphis> ?
Jan 22 10:17:01 <Garfonso> I'm working with C++ at my workplace... so I know my way around a bit.
Jan 22 10:18:05 <morphis> Garfonso: I am asking myself whether it would be the safer way to do the mediaindexer
Jan 22 10:19:10 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> How was implementation on legacy done?
Jan 22 10:19:47 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> I thought there were plans to open source the media bits as well? At least that's what was published on the blog ages ago...
Jan 22 10:20:12 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Then LG came along and no new components were released to public, but might still be in the works?
Jan 22 10:20:58 <Garfonso> there are some media-parsing frameworks in js in legacy.. but I did not look into it too deep. The service itself seems to be native, AFAIK.
Jan 22 10:24:45 <morphis> Garfonso, Herrie|Work|Pre3 : having the mediaindexer writtten has native service would be my preference
Jan 22 10:26:12 <Garfonso> hm.. I'll definitively need some help with that. ;) Especially the build process.
Jan 22 10:32:45 <morphis> Garfonso: ok, will help you with that
Jan 22 10:33:45 <morphis> Garfonso: then lets do it this way
Jan 22 10:33:57 <morphis> I will setup some basic build environment this evening
Jan 22 10:35:54 <morphis> Garfonso: you're on windows or linux?
Jan 22 10:36:24 <Garfonso> usually I'm on windows. But if it makes things easier I can use linux for building
Jan 22 10:37:21 <morphis> I am thinking currently whether we should use qt as base
Jan 22 10:42:47 <Garfonso> probably makes sense to use this http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qfilesystemwatcher.html
Jan 22 10:47:59 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Might make sense indeed, seems to do what's needed. Just resources might be an issue but I expect it should be fine on new hardware :)
Jan 22 10:48:17 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> We're not stuck with 800 mhz single core devices anymore :P
Jan 22 10:48:33 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Pre3: with C++ we have some more control over the resources we're using
Jan 22 10:49:48 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> C is a nasty language in general, at least that's my impression after having done 1 semester of it about a decade ago :P Too much strange stuff going on that is/was poorly documented...
Jan 22 10:50:06 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Not my language of choice, then again no programmer :P
Jan 22 10:51:49 * morphis likes C :)
Jan 22 10:54:42 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> LOL :) Just it's sensitive to poor coding that's my main beef with it,
Jan 22 10:54:56 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Sure things must have improved last decade :)
Jan 22 10:55:10 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> And tools work better :)
Jan 22 11:02:02 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Unless you code in VI :P
Jan 22 12:02:21 <Garfonso> I don't like C but C++? ;)
Jan 22 12:55:58 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Benjamin is making good progress with the Update App icon! The box is there, just the bow needs adding which is tricky a bit :)
Jan 22 13:02:07 <morphis> something to see?
Jan 22 13:06:46 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Yeah let me copy dropbox link
Jan 22 13:07:51 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fufx4wrvr22s10y/screenshot-update-icon.png
Jan 22 13:08:37 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> For next week I was thinking PDF app and Settings app icon? PDF app based on circle template, Settings app based on black square like update App
Jan 22 13:09:13 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Can both be freestyle because legacy PDF app is poor and we don't have unified settings app.
Jan 22 13:09:36 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Might have a look at AIO settings for inspiration I guess?
Jan 22 13:10:46 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> https://raw2.github.com/choorp/aiosettings/master/icon.png
Jan 22 13:12:17 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Or you have other things in mind?
Jan 22 16:52:02 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> interesting stuff on owo github....
Jan 22 17:13:41 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Pre3: ?
Jan 22 17:13:59 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> com.webos.audio or that's j
Jan 22 17:14:06 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> ust example of naming....
Jan 22 17:14:16 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> in the ls2 commit from today
Jan 22 17:14:59 <morphis> ah :)
Jan 22 17:16:11 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> com.webos.app.voice :P
Jan 22 17:16:28 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Re graphics seen my msgs?
Jan 22 17:17:32 <morphis> yes
Jan 22 17:17:36 <morphis> update icon looks nice
Jan 22 17:17:43 <morphis> is it a complete recreation?
Jan 22 17:17:56 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Yes :)
Jan 22 17:18:23 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Photoshop, took old, blown up to 4x retrace that and recreated :)
Jan 22 17:18:45 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> You can see minor differences but very close to original :)
Jan 22 17:19:18 <morphis> it's just a copyright question
Jan 22 17:19:39 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Recreation should be fine right?
Jan 22 17:20:04 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> I think we could ask Enda for the icons. He said earlier he could get them for us ;)
Jan 22 17:20:47 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> For PDF app and settings freestyle creation would go a lot quicker I imagine because it's not so tedious ;)
Jan 22 17:21:16 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Recreating is quite a pain I imagine... at least for me it would be ;)
Jan 22 17:22:23 <morphis> hehe
Jan 22 17:22:32 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Pre3: if you can, just ask Enda
Jan 22 17:22:45 <morphis> JaMa: when you rebase meta-webos-ports next time and https://github.com/openwebos/db8/commit/71316a3e09d73c43a05fa0acde13c3ed5181f25a comes in please ping me
Jan 22 17:23:00 <morphis> we need to adjust the db8 systemd configuration then
Jan 22 17:24:27 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> OK will do :) I can ask Benjamin for settings + pdf icon or you hav
Jan 22 17:24:43 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> e other requirements for release that have prio?
Jan 22 17:24:48 <morphis> no
Jan 22 17:24:53 <morphis> both would be great
Jan 22 17:25:13 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> :) I'll give him free hand in those should be quicker :)
Jan 22 17:25:16 <morphis> do we want icons for the different settings categories in the settings app?
Jan 22 17:26:31 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> It's a nice to have similar to Choorps AIO app, but might be better for later?
Jan 22 17:26:41 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Will reach out to Enda for all those icons :)
Jan 22 17:27:38 <JaMa> morphis: ack
Jan 22 17:27:54 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Pre3: thanks
Jan 22 17:28:01 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Pre3: don't forget to create a card for this :)
Jan 22 17:29:55 <Herrie|Work|Pre3> Yeah will do. will try to see if I can get Benjamin join on Trello :)
Jan 22 17:30:50 <morphis> ok
Jan 22 17:30:57 <morphis> JaMa: btw. I am not sure about qt 5.2 yet
Jan 22 17:31:19 <morphis> it currently gives me quite some work as its not just a drop in update
Jan 22 17:31:27 <morphis> I would like to give it a little bit more time
Jan 22 17:35:01 <JaMa> morphis: are all those issues device specific or just not so obvious that i haven't seen them in my very simple emulator test?
Jan 22 17:35:44 <morphis> device specific
Jan 22 18:44:29 <morphis> Garfonso: https://github.com/webOS-ports/mediaindexer
Jan 22 18:50:12 <Herrie> Morphis: http://img.ly/system/uploads/008/063/464/large_SDK%203.png
Jan 22 18:50:21 <Herrie> I guess if we'd get these from HP/LG that would help a lot?
Jan 22 18:51:21 <Herrie> + phone, messaging, music & video icon?
Jan 22 18:51:42 <morphis> yes
Jan 22 18:52:11 <Herrie> I think that would do for now?
Jan 22 18:54:51 <morphis> I think so
Jan 22 18:55:09 <Herrie> OK ;) I'll ping that over to Enda
Jan 22 18:57:45 <Tofe> morphis: that keyboard bug is quite a hard one
Jan 22 18:59:07 <Tofe> We'll kill it at some point, but right now it is condescendantly looking at me
Jan 22 18:59:49 <Tofe> condescendingly*
Jan 22 19:03:58 <Herrie> Email to Enda out
Jan 22 19:12:38 <Garfonso> morphis: ok.. what would I have to do to build this for the emulator? Can I do that on a 64bit ubuntu linux?
Jan 22 19:14:24 <Garfonso> ok, I'll need a complete build system, right? ;)
Jan 22 19:17:09 <Tofe> morphis: if I want to "reset" quickly the gnexus to a first boot situation, is there a faster way than reflashing the whole OS ?
Jan 22 20:45:25 <Garfonso> morphis: oops, forgot to commit some of the preware 2 fixes I did last week. If you include them, it should finally work again.
Jan 22 21:52:41 <Whitebee> Garfonso: hey, did I read right and you're working on media app?
Jan 22 21:52:55 <Whitebee> (or at least some parts of it)
Jan 22 22:08:17 <Garfonso> on media indexer service
Jan 22 22:09:14 <Garfonso> i.e. browsing filesystem and creating entries into db8 for all media files.
Jan 22 22:47:47 <Whitebee> Garfonso: oh, ok, got it :)
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