**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 16 02:59:59 2014 Mar 16 03:01:20 -_- Google and Opera are such idiots, IMHO Mar 16 03:01:54 What's the point of forking Webkit instead of just pushing your changes to webkit itself? Mar 16 03:02:09 Also, Opera should not have abandoned Presto, it disrupts the whole power balance Mar 16 06:13:11 GodGinrai: Well.... There is a fundamental reason. Mar 16 06:13:48 Re Opera: Presto was lacking and falling behind. So, Opera is sorta cutting the loss, moving to WebKit, and focusing on cloud-based rendering (a la Amazon's Silk). There's a good market for that. Mar 16 06:13:57 Re Google and Blink, well... Blame Apple for this. Mar 16 06:14:17 Well.. and the dual power struggle. Mar 16 06:14:37 But, it is in Apple's best interest to stick with WebKit supporting iOS and MacOS. To hell with everything else. Mar 16 06:15:01 So, it makes it much harder for someone else to come along and try to add features, or change a decent chunk of the way it operates. Mar 16 06:15:47 (WebKit2's APIs are much different from Google's Chromium implementation re-work of WebKit. Apple didn't want to adopt any of it. Google didn't/couldn't use WebKit2. mess.) Mar 16 06:16:15 Originally, WebKit was a fork of KDE's KHTML and KJS. Mar 16 07:01:50 dkirker: Yea, I realize that Webkit was originally KHTML Mar 16 07:02:05 That just means that Apple went and did the same crap I'm deriding Google for doing Mar 16 07:02:14 it doesn't mean I agree with what Apple did Mar 16 07:02:38 Also, Opera shouldn't have jumped onto webkit though Mar 16 07:03:05 It was *already* causing problems for all the other browsers due to all of the webkit specific crap out there (especially for mobile) Mar 16 07:03:12 Now they are tipping the scales further Mar 16 07:03:36 Opera should have jumped onto Gecko to push the scales back if they were going to abandon their own engine Mar 16 07:03:55 Also, Opera's new browser is crap. They took out everything that made it special Mar 16 07:05:28 Also, dkirker, So Apple won't allow Google to add new things? Google pulls the same shit w/ Chromium. They won't add link search, and afaik won't accept patches for Chromium that adds it Mar 16 07:06:35 yeah, I know. Hence the power issue comment. :/ Mar 16 07:07:46 lol Mar 16 07:07:49 crap Mar 16 07:07:51 wrong window Mar 16 07:08:33 But that's my point: Trident will have it's followers, due to IE being so closely tied to windows Mar 16 07:08:47 webkit owns the market right now, so it's fine Mar 16 07:08:56 And Opera basically said "fuck you" to Mozilla Mar 16 07:10:14 And after taking out all of their features, I don't know why *anyone* would use Opera now Mar 16 07:10:37 I'm sure most Opera faithful have migrated to Mozilla now, since it has extensions that can do most of the features that Opera once had Mar 16 07:11:13 The current Opera browser is almost exactly the same as Chromium atm Mar 16 10:24:20 morning Mar 16 10:24:33 morphis: morning Mar 16 11:24:16 Herrie: you already created a bug for the not showing first use app on the emulator? Mar 16 12:25:42 No, but cna do Mar 16 12:43:52 Morphis: 487, assigned to you Mar 16 13:36:45 Herrie: thanks Mar 16 13:37:01 JaMa: after your latest rebase: Mar 16 13:37:02 Jan 14 14:39:34 mako luna-next[1604]: /usr/sbin/luna-next: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libLunaSysMgrCommon.so.3: undefined symbol: json_tokener_parse Mar 16 13:42:14 JaMa: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-sysmgr-common/commit/16857d3e3d840c8d9c55bb95242c5c6b9f24f90e should fix it Mar 16 15:49:10 weird, I wonder why I haven't seen it in emulator Mar 16 15:49:20 sorry and thanks for fix Mar 16 15:50:03 should I bump SRCREV or are you testing it? Mar 16 16:54:58 also there is do_rootfs error on jenkins I haven't seen in local builds, weird indeed Mar 16 18:50:14 JaMa: thanks for the SRCREV bump, I pushed some more changes for meta-webos-ports Mar 16 19:12:54 cool, should I start new builds? Mar 16 19:13:33 morphis: Is the fix from Tofe for keyboard included? Mar 16 19:13:39 He fixed hardware kb in Vbox :) Mar 16 19:19:49 JaMa: would be great Mar 16 19:19:57 Herrie: no, not yet Mar 16 19:20:18 Herrie: will include it tomorrow Mar 16 19:31:07 Herrie: if you need it no you can apply it manually **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 17 02:59:58 2014