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Jun 12 06:35:09 <Saijin_Naib> Herrie, are you in here?
Jun 12 06:36:29 <Herrie> Yes
Jun 12 06:36:47 <Saijin_Naib> Ah, awesome!
Jun 12 06:36:58 <Saijin_Naib> I got my ZTE Open C yesterday
Jun 12 06:38:18 <Herrie> Cool tried FirefoxOS already?
Jun 12 06:38:32 <Saijin_Naib> Yes
Jun 12 06:38:40 <Herrie> Most people that tried it were heavily disappointed by it (unstable, half finished, slow etc)
Jun 12 06:38:42 <Saijin_Naib> They've gotten a metric ton of feedback from me already
Jun 12 06:38:49 <Herrie> So was wondering what you think about it ;)
Jun 12 06:38:51 <Saijin_Naib> I have not found it slow, at least not on this device
Jun 12 06:38:56 <Saijin_Naib> Um, may I be frank upfront?
Jun 12 06:39:07 <Herrie> Of course ;)
Jun 12 06:39:14 <Saijin_Naib> I'm kind of not a huge fan of most smartphones. I find that in general, they put the job of being a phone pretty low on the list
Jun 12 06:39:29 <Saijin_Naib> This device suffers heavily from that, being as it has no physical keys other than Vol Up/Down and power
Jun 12 06:39:41 <Saijin_Naib> That issue aside, the OS ran really fast on the Open C and was quick to boot
Jun 12 06:39:48 <Saijin_Naib> It never crashed on me, though it was.... odd
Jun 12 06:40:00 <Saijin_Naib> the Calendar app would randomly open itself in the background every time I would go to card view
Jun 12 06:40:14 <Saijin_Naib> FirefoxOS does have a nice implementation of some webOS gestures that is hidden away in the developer menu
Jun 12 06:40:21 <Saijin_Naib> It makes using the device almost pretty awesome
Jun 12 06:40:42 <Saijin_Naib> They mimic the "advanced gestures" switch app gesture by making a cross-screen swipe
Jun 12 06:40:50 <Saijin_Naib> That was really smooth and pleasant to use actually
Jun 12 06:41:06 <Saijin_Naib> They have no concept of the wave launcher, so you have to do the home gesture to expose the launcher to use it
Jun 12 06:41:17 <Saijin_Naib> The battery life / power management is absolutely, 100% abysmal
Jun 12 06:41:35 <Saijin_Naib> On a 1400mah battery, the phone chewed through about 80ma per hour sitting idle with the screen off
Jun 12 06:41:44 <Saijin_Naib> It would have lasted me roughly 17 hours with NO usage
Jun 12 06:41:45 <Herrie> THat's poor
Jun 12 06:41:47 <Saijin_Naib> Inexcusable
Jun 12 06:41:49 <Saijin_Naib> Right?
Jun 12 06:41:52 <Herrie> My Veer runs longer
Jun 12 06:41:55 <Saijin_Naib> Exactly
Jun 12 06:42:01 <Saijin_Naib> Veer if left to sit, would last days
Jun 12 06:42:02 <Herrie> And it has a 1000 or 1100 MaH
Jun 12 06:42:14 <Herrie> Yeah with Wifi + Data off it would ;)
Jun 12 06:42:20 <Saijin_Naib> Wifi on even!
Jun 12 06:42:24 <Herrie> With WiFi & Data on it eats battery on 2.2.4 here....
Jun 12 06:42:29 <Herrie> Could be 2.2.4 issue not sure
Jun 12 06:42:30 <Saijin_Naib> I never used it with data radios as I just got a data plan a few weeks ago
Jun 12 06:42:45 <Saijin_Naib> But wifi alone, it would sit happily for days for me
Jun 12 06:42:47 <Saijin_Naib> But anyway
Jun 12 06:42:59 <Saijin_Naib> The OS itself is alright. Needs lots of work, and I see they liked webOS
Jun 12 06:43:10 <Herrie> Yeah they copied tons ;)
Jun 12 06:43:12 <Saijin_Naib> in their roadmap, they plan on implementing more webos-like gestures
Jun 12 06:43:14 <Saijin_Naib> Yeah
Jun 12 06:43:18 <Saijin_Naib> They're only going to add more!
Jun 12 06:43:26 <Saijin_Naib> Which IMO, is not a bad thing in the slightest
Jun 12 06:43:31 <Herrie> Idea/concept is the same just 4 years released after Palm ;)
Jun 12 06:43:35 <Saijin_Naib> haha
Jun 12 06:43:39 <Saijin_Naib> And nowhere near as nice yet
Jun 12 06:43:43 <Saijin_Naib> Their list management is horrid
Jun 12 06:43:46 <Saijin_Naib> no swipe to delete
Jun 12 06:43:48 <Saijin_Naib> come on...
Jun 12 06:43:57 <Saijin_Naib> Has anyone else copied that yet? That was brilliant
Jun 12 06:44:15 <Herrie> Well our port isn't that great either yet, still needs lots of work, but well ;) It's getting there :)
Jun 12 06:44:22 <Saijin_Naib> I want to meet some of the webOS people and just thank them for making webOS, and then kick them in the balls for making webOS because now everything else sucks
Jun 12 06:44:56 <Saijin_Naib> From what I played with of the prebuilt qemu version, it seemed somewhat there
Jun 12 06:45:11 <Saijin_Naib> But yeah, I tried to make a firefoxOS build virtual machine and that was a nightmare
Jun 12 06:45:28 <Saijin_Naib> is the build environemnt for open webOS also going to be a multi-hour long nightmare to get established?
Jun 12 06:45:46 <Saijin_Naib> because honestly, I'm over the ZTE Open C. I like firefoxos, but I want physical keyboards
Jun 12 06:45:50 <Herrie> It's been a long way and you shouldn't forget the team here are all volunteers and not a dedicated team compared to the other OS-es out there like Jolla, Ubuntu and FFOS
Jun 12 06:45:59 <Saijin_Naib> True
Jun 12 06:46:06 <Saijin_Naib> I'm just glad you guys are working at it
Jun 12 06:46:10 <Herrie> Physical keyboard is a must for me too ;)
Jun 12 06:46:15 <Saijin_Naib> Thank god I'm not alone
Jun 12 06:46:19 <Herrie> I need to run to the office soon, will login there ;)
Jun 12 06:46:20 <Saijin_Naib> I also love T9 keyboards
Jun 12 06:46:28 <Herrie> T9 was fine too :)
Jun 12 06:46:29 <Saijin_Naib> I can type like nobody's business on that
Jun 12 06:46:29 <Saijin_Naib> oh
Jun 12 06:46:34 <Saijin_Naib> before you run
Jun 12 06:46:38 <Saijin_Naib> I'm done with the Open C
Jun 12 06:46:45 <Saijin_Naib> I'm willing to donate it to someone to test/work on
Jun 12 06:46:51 <Herrie> Ah ok :)
Jun 12 06:46:59 <Herrie> Do you know if it has CyanogenMod for it?
Jun 12 06:47:04 <Saijin_Naib> No! Not as of yet
Jun 12 06:47:06 <Saijin_Naib> buuut
Jun 12 06:47:08 <Herrie> I couldn't find it ;)
Jun 12 06:47:16 <Saijin_Naib> it comes with support for android
Jun 12 06:47:23 <Saijin_Naib> since FFXOS runs on android binaries
Jun 12 06:47:29 <Saijin_Naib> there are roms for "vanilla" 4.4.2
Jun 12 06:48:34 <Herrie> morphis would be the best to say something about that
Jun 12 06:48:40 <Saijin_Naib> Ah okay
Jun 12 06:50:36 <Saijin_Naib> I wonder if open webOS could run FFXOS apps?
Jun 12 06:50:44 <Saijin_Naib> They're HTML5 zipped with an xml manifest
Jun 12 06:50:54 <Saijin_Naib> From what little I understand, that is very similar to webOS apps
Jun 12 06:51:07 <Saijin_Naib> which are HTML5 tar/gzip'd with an xml manifest
Jun 12 06:51:11 <Saijin_Naib> or was it a json?
Jun 12 06:54:42 <Herrie> It's similar
Jun 12 06:55:02 <Herrie> Just problem is that FFOS uses Gecko as rendering engine and we use WebKit
Jun 12 06:56:00 <Saijin_Naib> Ah...
Jun 12 06:56:14 <Saijin_Naib> I thought webkit was the most "compliant" of the various rendering engines
Jun 12 06:56:20 <Saijin_Naib> shouldn't anything Gecko coded work under webkit?
Jun 12 06:56:26 <Saijin_Naib> or is that being naive
Jun 12 06:56:56 <Herrie> Theoretically but FFOS also got their own API, not sure how our support is there... morphis can tell more about that
Jun 12 06:57:28 <Saijin_Naib> Yeah
Jun 12 06:57:42 <Saijin_Naib> Their "webAPI", which from what I understand, other sites are beginning to implement
Jun 12 06:58:13 <Saijin_Naib> they're trying not to do anything proprietary from what I've read. All just web standard stuff and HTML5, and then the webAPI to allow access to hardware/etc that isn't possible otherwise
Jun 12 06:58:38 <Saijin_Naib> In a dream world, I'd love to see open webOS have the PhoenixACL for android apps and FFXOS webAPI support so it could run whatever
Jun 12 06:58:52 <Saijin_Naib> But, I don't have the money to throw at people to make that happen
Jun 12 06:59:30 <Herrie> I think in an ideal world we'd all like that... Even better an open source ACL variant ;)
Jun 12 06:59:46 <Saijin_Naib> Is PhoenixACL closed source?
Jun 12 06:59:56 <Saijin_Naib> Maybe you guys could team up and handle it like Palm/HP did with Classic?
Jun 12 07:00:12 <Saijin_Naib> Have it be an optional paid install for people who want/need it for Android support
Jun 12 07:00:13 <Herrie> We want to stay fully open source ;)
Jun 12 07:00:17 <Saijin_Naib> Ahh...
Jun 12 07:00:25 <Saijin_Naib> Then maybe FFXOS support fits the bill?
Jun 12 09:37:35 <Tofe> Herrie: do you mean https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/blob/master/qml/images/default-app-icon.png ?
Jun 12 09:42:57 <Herrie|Veer> Not sure what you use as icon for your notification work. Just the edge around the circle is ugly on your screenshots :P
Jun 12 09:45:02 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: ok, maybe because of the downsize
Jun 12 09:45:56 <Herrie|Veer> Could be... We have smaller size available when needed, so just let me know what size you need :)
Jun 13 01:16:37 <jlai> Saijin_Naib: most FFXOS apps are written using Javascript 1.8 which has features and syntax from ECMAScript 6. Won't compile on ES5 JS engines like webkit or any other non-Gecko/spidermonkey runtime
Jun 13 01:52:26 <Saijin_Naib> Ah, okay. Not as good a possibility as I had thought
Jun 13 01:52:31 <Saijin_Naib> There goes that idea
Jun 13 02:22:43 <jlai> https://github.com/google/traceur-compiler
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