**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 02 02:59:59 2014 Sep 02 06:07:36 Great job guys. I loved reading about the new release, “officially” Sep 02 06:08:48 :) Sep 02 06:14:24 I appreciate all the hard work everyone has put in. Hopefully the release news helps get more people involved in working on the project. Sep 02 06:15:19 i2y4n: We hope so too :) We have had some new people joining over the past months on various bits :) But more help is always welcome :) Sep 02 06:15:55 We need help in many areas, so even non-programmers can help ;) Sep 02 06:22:28 I dont see anything for non devs listed on the wiki Sep 02 06:22:51 Not sure what your skills are ;) ? We need people for graphics, documentation, website etc ;) Sep 02 06:24:31 No clue how to use any graphic software. Website (html?) would be very basic. What do you mean by documentation? Sep 02 06:26:01 i2y4n, wiki work would help... Sep 02 06:26:22 verifying bugs reported to bugtracker Sep 02 06:29:22 What kind of wiki work? Sep 02 06:31:33 edits, adding documentation Sep 02 06:32:00 keeping the things in the wiki in sync with our development speed ;) Sep 02 06:32:19 Garfonso, +1 Sep 02 06:34:47 A lot of the stuff is over my head… would probably need to be told what to do in specifics. I’ll think about it. Sep 02 07:28:24 hey guys Sep 02 07:28:56 anyone can point me to a place where I can get novacom again? Trashed all my stuff a few weeks ago, if I would have known :-D Sep 02 07:29:07 on developer.palm.com it seems I need to be devel Sep 02 07:29:13 which I'm not as I don't have a VAT number Sep 02 07:29:24 so can't download the sdk Sep 02 07:33:07 there were links to the SDKs in the webosnation forum somewhere in the webos development section Sep 02 07:33:20 I don't know if they include novacom drivers, though Sep 02 07:40:00 ktk, http://www.openwebosproject.org/opensource/packages.html Sep 02 07:40:12 bottom is the Novacom sources Sep 02 07:40:43 well, maybe not sources... Sep 02 07:40:47 bu at least novacom Sep 02 07:42:00 letme check Sep 02 07:42:09 openwebosproject.org is dog slow Sep 02 07:42:22 see http://www.openwebosproject.org/opensource/packages.html also Sep 02 07:42:30 there is a binary package for novacom Sep 02 07:43:00 ktk, ya it really is dog slow Sep 02 07:45:00 tnx guys worked out Sep 02 07:45:08 we should fix wiki to this page Sep 02 07:45:44 ktk, do you have an account there on the wiki? Sep 02 07:46:14 ka6sox: nope I don't think so and registration is suspended IIRC Sep 02 07:46:45 something else, there is webos doctor for luneos mentioned. does that exist somewhere or is that search/replace fail? Sep 02 07:47:06 I could not find a link, just a mention Sep 02 07:48:06 ktk use the request account form and I will approve you. Sep 02 07:48:11 ok sec Sep 02 07:48:30 not yet on doctor…not quite happy yet. Sep 02 07:48:34 ok Sep 02 07:48:57 otherwise great project btw, really looking forward to try it Sep 02 07:49:10 the idea of a new browser on webos sounds very tempting Sep 02 07:50:48 it renders pivotCE correctly now... Sep 02 07:54:17 ka6sox: registered Sep 02 07:54:54 ktk, let me approve…brb Sep 02 07:55:25 morning guys Sep 02 07:55:39 morning Tofe Sep 02 07:55:39 morning Tofe Sep 02 07:55:45 ktk, you are all set Sep 02 07:55:49 ka6sox: great tnx Sep 02 07:55:55 yw…happy editing Sep 02 07:59:54 ka6sox: hmm are some pages protected? http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Install_WOP_for_Tenderloin does not show edit for me Sep 02 08:00:14 ktk, might be…let me look...brb Sep 02 08:01:00 ktk, try now? Sep 02 08:02:43 ka6sox: better tnx Sep 02 08:03:13 test Sep 02 08:03:18 ktk, happy editing! Sep 02 08:03:24 and thanks Sep 02 08:03:33 thank you guys Sep 02 08:03:38 ktk: Already added link to WebOSNation a while ago ;) Sep 02 08:03:56 Just my wIRC was acting up and not showing my messages to channel Sep 02 08:04:03 ah ok Sep 02 08:04:16 I added the SDK/PDK link to the Tenderloin Install Steps on top :) Sep 02 08:04:30 But you can add additional link to the OWO binary :) Sep 02 08:04:31 Herrie|Veer, did you add the link for the bug tracker? Sep 02 08:04:33 really, what page do you refer to? Sep 02 08:05:06 ktk: the Tenderloin Install Steps one. Sep 02 08:05:17 ka6sox: to PivotCE article? Sep 02 08:05:21 yes Sep 02 08:05:28 ah Sep 02 08:05:30 I'm in the wiki Sep 02 08:05:43 Will do now. Should I approve those Pingbacks as well? Sep 02 08:05:53 yes I think so Sep 02 08:05:58 none are spam Sep 02 08:06:07 OK :) Sep 02 08:06:27 its hit Engadget... Sep 02 08:06:36 Yup that's good :) Sep 02 08:08:23 ok added open webos project link for novacom Sep 02 08:08:31 I will tweet comms methods out including bug tracker. Sep 02 08:08:40 ktk, thanks…thats needed. Sep 02 08:09:34 ok charging my touchpad :) Sep 02 08:10:54 okay 1am here…nite folks Sep 02 08:11:35 Any tips on how to get LuneOS on Virtualbox? I'm looking inside the /luneos-stable/images/qemux86 and wouldn't have a clue which file/s to download Sep 02 08:13:18 Nin_: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Emulator Sep 02 08:13:51 Thanks morphis Sep 02 08:14:16 ktk: btw. the links on http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Emulator need correction Sep 02 08:14:38 they point to http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports/ but should point to http://build.webos-ports.org/luneos-stable/ Sep 02 08:14:57 first one is a symlink so it doesn't matter but to avoid confusion we should change that Sep 02 08:15:46 ok sec Sep 02 08:21:24 morphis: what about http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/latest/images/qemux86/webos-ports-dev-emulator-qemux86.zip ? Sep 02 08:21:27 does that one stay? Sep 02 08:23:01 ktk: no Sep 02 08:23:20 should point to http://build.webos-ports.org/luneos-testing/images/qemux86/ now Sep 02 08:25:58 morphis: fixe Sep 02 08:25:59 d Sep 02 08:41:33 ktk: thanks! Sep 02 12:20:16 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 02 12:21:48 Hey, if I install LuneOS on my TouchPad, can I boot into either LuneOS or webOS? Sep 02 12:28:00 DougReeder: you will have to use a multiboot manager like moboot, you can find a little guide here http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Install_WOP_for_Tenderloin Sep 02 12:29:13 wait, it might be that it's not the latest version of that guide, let me check Sep 02 12:29:15 tofe , thanks! Is the one used by CyanogenMod compatible? Sep 02 12:30:01 I've successfully installed WebOS, Android and LuneOS on my own TP with moboot :) Sep 02 12:30:26 * DougReeder smiles multi-boot fun! Sep 02 12:32:15 Ok, I'll read up. I hope I can install any necessary tools on my work laptop (I'm travelling this week). Sep 02 12:33:59 looks like my link is ok; anyway the basics are there (moboot + LuneOS image installation) Sep 02 12:36:21 Tofe , do I need separate ext3 partitions for LuneOS and CyanogenMod? Sep 02 12:38:28 DougReeder_: LuneOS needs its own ext3 partition (see the guide), and Android will also use its own partitionning Sep 02 12:38:54 Tofe , thanks! Sep 02 14:00:57 it's so neat to see our (read: my) handiwork in the news. Sep 02 14:01:07 small touches. flourishes. but still. stuff *i* did. Sep 02 14:01:12 international news. Sep 02 14:02:20 :) Sep 02 14:37:11 uh hi. Tom made me join. Sep 02 14:39:52 good on tom. Sep 02 14:41:22 hi alan. Great you made it here. :) Sep 02 14:53:19 thanks. now I just have to figure out why Sep 02 16:13:21 ok i figured out wIRC. i feel accomplished Sep 02 16:14:31 I'm the new PR guy for webOS Ports. Just so you know the press today is mostly fact based with a fair dose of hopeful speculation. Sep 02 16:15:13 Ill do what i can to keep the good vibes going. I need your help in finding good stuff out there and retweeting it to get attention from news outlets. Sep 02 16:16:03 if you see some good press or something @webosports needs to address to quell fears or unfair naysaying, please let me know alanmorford@gmail.com or @alan_morford Sep 02 16:16:47 thanks...ok then, dev away! Sep 02 16:16:50 alanmorford: will do Sep 02 16:18:40 gotta go (this thing kills my Pre3s battery, yikes! bye Sep 02 17:01:11 meh, I was quietly browsing some code on launchpad, when it died in my hands Sep 02 17:01:21 (launchpad, I mean) Sep 02 17:02:21 nizovn: ping Sep 02 17:12:35 Anyone have any advice on whether following instructions on http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Build_for_Tenderloin is a good way to get started debugging, and helping with fixing LuneOS bugs? Sep 02 17:14:09 short q: " Download the kernel (uImage) and add it to the boot partition as uImage.LuneOS and either symlink it to uImage or use Moboot." how do I "add it to the boot partition"? Sep 02 17:14:52 in terms of when I follow the Moboot steps there I'm good? Sep 02 17:15:15 ktk: it simply sums up to adding it to /boot on your WebOS partition, where the other moboot kernels also are Sep 02 17:15:21 marig|TP: it is, but take different images Sep 02 17:15:42 marig|TP: http://build.webos-ports.org/luneos-testing/ is what is development Sep 02 17:15:46 Tofe: ok Sep 02 17:16:03 marig|TP: and take the -dev image: http://build.webos-ports.org/luneos-testing/images/tenderloin/webos-ports-dev-image-tenderloin.tar.gz Sep 02 17:16:51 marig|TP: sounds like you should document your steps along the way to identify shortcomings in existing documentation Sep 02 17:17:03 i'm sure Tofe or morphis would be happy to review your findings and make any necessary amendments Sep 02 17:17:12 :) of course Sep 02 17:17:39 btw I guess there is a typo, it says "ln -sf uImage-2.6.35-palm-tenderloin uImage.webOS " Sep 02 17:17:49 I guess that should be "ln -sf uImage-2.6.35-palm-tenderloin uImage.LuneOS" Sep 02 17:18:00 ktk: ooops ! Sep 02 17:18:20 Tofe: should I fix it? I have access to wiki Sep 02 17:18:57 ktk: yes please Sep 02 17:19:15 the screenshot even shows uImage .LuneOS, so everything else is ok it seems Sep 02 17:19:44 morphis: I've already got that -dev image installed on my TP, so I think I'm good there. What I'd like to be able to do is find the source code in whatever the build process downloads and builds automatically. Any pointers? Sep 02 17:20:41 HaDAk: Yes, I'd be happy to do that. I'll contact Herrie about getting access to the wiki. Sep 02 17:20:58 morphis: pong Sep 02 17:21:19 Tofe: hmm didn't check that yet. maybe it is still intenional because in the screenshot umimage.webOS is pointing to ...palm-tenderloin Sep 02 17:21:29 Tofe: and uimage.LuneOS is there alone Sep 02 17:21:35 so maybe I just screwed docs :) Sep 02 17:22:19 oh, wait, yes, it's actually webOS for that kernel Sep 02 17:22:38 ok Sep 02 17:22:42 so I roll back wiki :) Sep 02 17:22:51 but will write that this is intentional Sep 02 17:22:56 ktk: I think the command you're looking for is "novacom put file://boot/uImage.LuneOS < uImage" from http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Install_WOP_for_Tenderloin Sep 02 17:23:22 marig|TP: no I just screwed that doc, it was written webOS before ;) Sep 02 17:23:24 rolled it back now Sep 02 17:24:37 marig|TP: for building from scratch, the link you had in hand seems ok; however, I'm not 100% sure what name was used for the release version of LuneOS Sep 02 17:25:30 ok but still confusins Sep 02 17:25:32 morphis: shouldn't marig|TP use daisy instead of dora ? Sep 02 17:25:33 confusions Sep 02 17:25:49 it says "novacom put file://boot/uImage < uImage.moboot_0.3.8 " but in the screenshot there is only a uImage.moboot Sep 02 17:26:03 ah that is symlinked Sep 02 17:26:10 ok that works directly too Sep 02 17:28:12 ktk: yes, TP loads uImage, which is actually moboot, which then loads the kernel of our choice form the list of symlinks uImage.* -- afaik Sep 02 17:28:45 from the list. point. not necessarily symlinks. Sep 02 17:32:00 jep Sep 02 17:47:38 ok LuneOS booted, nice :) Sep 02 18:04:38 hey, you guys got a story on phoronix Sep 02 18:04:41 congrats! Sep 02 18:04:49 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc3ODQ Sep 02 18:20:21 wow you guys got a lot of attention Sep 02 18:21:31 :) yes, it's not exactly the time to make bad jokes Sep 02 18:27:56 who made bad jokes? :| Sep 02 18:35:45 oh, no one, no one :) Sep 02 19:00:33 morphis: you know if Multirom (https://github.com/Tasssadar/multirom/) would work? Sep 02 19:46:05 Herrie: possible Sep 02 19:46:21 Multirom uses kexec so when somebody gets that activated in our kernel that it should work Sep 02 20:54:12 Hey all Sep 02 20:54:23 Darakian: hey Sep 02 20:54:33 grats on the new release :) Sep 02 20:54:55 and the updated site Sep 02 20:54:57 looks good Sep 02 20:55:06 Darakian: thanks! Sep 02 20:55:13 question though Sep 02 20:55:28 if I have a nexus4 and want to flash it, do I need the fastboot image for the flash? Sep 02 20:55:36 or is it more complicated than that? Sep 02 20:59:02 Darakian: you saw the wiki page for that? Sep 02 20:59:28 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Install_WOP_for_Mako Sep 02 20:59:32 I saw one for the toughpad, N4 page doesn't have much Sep 02 20:59:33 we're using the recovery way Sep 02 20:59:34 ah Sep 02 20:59:47 the page should have everything you need Sep 02 20:59:53 awesome Sep 02 20:59:59 I was looking here http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Mako_Info Sep 02 21:00:16 that should have a link to the page I linked above Sep 02 21:02:11 ah, so it does Sep 02 21:02:13 my bad Sep 02 21:24:08 Very slick Sep 02 21:24:24 not quite as slick as webos 2, but I like it Sep 02 21:24:27 :) Sep 02 21:32:34 Darakian: thanks :) Sep 02 22:24:02 hello Sep 02 22:24:34 morning shodan45 Sep 02 22:24:57 I think your wiki got hacked :( Sep 02 22:25:09 do tell why? Sep 02 22:25:48 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Communications has spam links behind the logo in the top-left Sep 02 22:26:31 in the page source, it's right after the tag Sep 02 22:26:39 interesting... Sep 02 22:28:55 ka6sox: interesting? lol, I'd be ticked off :) Sep 02 22:31:04 I'm no mediawiki expert, but I suspect that didn't get there via a page edit Sep 02 22:33:01 also, is there some kind of "guide to webos-land"? all the different sites/groups are a bit confusing :/ Sep 02 22:33:09 shodan45, its PHP…so nothing surprises me... Sep 02 22:33:33 ka6sox: a fellow PHP hater? yay! ;) Sep 02 22:34:36 shodan45, I'll see if I can scare up someone to look at the wiki internals... Sep 02 22:37:53 shodan45, thanks for reporting this…I'm sure we will get it sorted out... Sep 02 22:41:50 hoy hoy Sep 02 22:42:44 hiva Darakian Sep 02 22:42:51 um Sep 02 22:42:58 autouncorrect Sep 02 22:42:58 laptop Sep 02 22:43:02 works Sep 02 22:43:18 ah Sep 02 22:43:23 good to know Sep 02 22:43:34 so, the settings app doesn't work at all Sep 02 22:44:39 ORLY? Sep 02 22:44:45 what device? Sep 02 22:44:51 nexus 4 Sep 02 22:45:00 send in bug report? Sep 02 22:45:06 I left the device at work, but I can check into it more tomorrow Sep 02 22:45:09 will do Sep 02 22:45:12 tyvm Sep 02 22:45:20 bug reports done via github? Sep 02 22:45:32 issues.webos-ports.org Sep 02 22:45:40 bookmarked Sep 02 22:45:46 create an account, I'll set you up. Sep 02 22:46:23 k, sec Sep 02 22:46:54 account created Sep 02 22:48:03 if I report the bug now can I append with extra info later? Sep 02 22:49:00 you can update the bug report at any time Sep 02 22:51:05 bug reported Sep 02 22:51:19 Darakian_, Thanks! Sep 02 22:51:27 :) Sep 02 22:51:28 do update it if you have more information…helps ;) Sep 02 22:51:33 will do Sep 02 22:51:49 I'm pretty handy with the linux so I'll try to dig around the logs Sep 02 22:52:08 is it still possible to ssh into a device when it's hooked in via usb? Sep 02 22:52:37 yup Sep 02 22:52:52 nice Sep 02 22:52:55 or you can use novaterm Sep 02 22:53:09 is that the fingerterm app I saw? Sep 02 22:53:22 no, this is host based Sep 02 22:53:24 or was novaterm the desktop thing? Sep 02 22:53:25 ok Sep 02 22:53:29 it's been a while Sep 02 22:53:31 ya Sep 02 22:53:57 either way the keyboard in that finger term is just not acceptable to quickly do stuff Sep 02 22:54:03 so hostbased ftw Sep 02 22:54:15 I install Openssh from Optware on my devices Sep 02 22:54:40 that doesn't give a new terminal app though does it? Sep 02 22:55:15 no, just provides ssh (and not drop bear) on the device Sep 02 22:55:20 not a dropbear fan. Sep 02 22:55:27 what's dropbear? Sep 02 22:55:41 a lightweight (in many ways) sshd Sep 02 22:55:59 oh, k Sep 02 22:57:05 well given that I can't even get my nexus onto a network yet the sshd specifics are moot Sep 02 22:57:07 :p Sep 02 22:57:26 you can use ADB's terminal Sep 02 22:58:16 while booted? Sep 02 22:58:21 or in recovery only? Sep 02 22:58:37 I think its active in booted..but need to verify that again. Sep 02 22:58:40 it was at one point Sep 02 22:58:55 iirc adbd is running Sep 02 22:59:29 kk Sep 02 22:59:43 bbiab... Sep 03 00:19:25 Big day for us at pivotCE. Over 11,000 page views and 8,870 sessions. Sep 03 00:20:11 I'm not going to mention session length because it's to indicative of our "SQUIRREL!" culture. Sep 03 00:20:35 But suffice it to say, it was a good day for LuneOS attention. Let's keep it going! :) Sep 03 00:44:08 :) Sep 03 00:47:18 So I've been unleashed on webosports twitter Sep 03 00:47:31 hopefully I can keep up the chatter on it Sep 03 00:50:43 One thing I've heard people mention as a reason for leaving webOS is that the browser is outdated. Maybe a story on pivotCE comparing a couple of web sites that "don't work" in webOS to how they render (correctly, I assume) on LuneOS would generate some interest? Sep 03 00:50:59 alanmorford, http://lwn.net/Articles/610318/ Sep 03 00:55:57 tweeted the LWN mention Sep 03 00:56:45 I like the idea marig. Might make for a great side by side comparison video like back in the old days where the overclocked Pre+ was pitted against a stock Pre2 Sep 03 00:57:00 alanmorford, you have the Powah Sep 03 00:57:26 And I am gonna use it! Sep 03 00:59:19 marig|TP, the pivotCE site wouldn't render right on old webOS Sep 03 01:01:05 Really? I tend to overlook minor issues with web sites rendering on my webOS devices - must be force of habit. :-) Sep 03 01:04:44 Yeah our site has custom web fonts Sep 03 01:05:01 webOS browser can't do it but LuneOS' can! Looks nice too. Sep 03 01:05:23 scoutcamper, are you working on a LuneOS features video? Sep 03 01:06:09 alanmorford, yes, i have my touchpad flashed, i have a meeting in a few minutes, but i will get to that video tonight Sep 03 01:06:58 scoutcamper, great! there's a webosports YouTube channel, right? That'll be a great tweet and pivotCE will put it up for sure. Sep 03 01:09:27 NICK alanmorford|away Sep 03 01:09:31 whoops Sep 03 01:09:33 haha noob Sep 03 01:54:27 Darakian: Settings works for me, not sure if you tried release or nightly. Sep 03 01:54:39 When you have Dev-image you can adb into device Sep 03 01:55:02 With normal image you need to enable dev-mode via settings app Sep 03 01:57:14 Herrie, good questions Sep 03 02:37:31 hello there! Sep 03 02:37:48 anyone out there a OSX expert who can help me with something in terminal and Novaterm real quick? Sep 03 02:38:04 anyone at all? Sep 03 02:39:05 im on the very last step of installing LunaOS but the commands are having an issue extracting the files. I need expertise Sep 03 02:52:38 50 peeeeps in the roommmmmm and no one is awaaakkkkke **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 03 02:59:59 2014