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Oct 02 03:08:13 <DougReeder> Nvermind, they all belong there.
Oct 02 03:08:51 <DougReeder> Pretty stark demo of what does and doesn’t get overwritten by doctoring.
Oct 02 03:21:12 <thrrgilag> Herrie, I gave it a quick test and it looks pretty good. Spacing is slight off still on the bottom of the fields but close enough for now.
Oct 02 05:15:10 <DougReeder> Garfonso , it appears that a JavaScript serviece can sucessfully start an HTTP server, but nothing can connect to it, even locally.
Oct 02 05:18:55 <DougReeder> So it appears there’s a firewall in place
Oct 02 05:20:47 <Herrie> DougReeder: Yes and it blocks stuff by default :P
Oct 02 05:21:05 <Herrie> Not sure how to open things, morphis might know
Oct 02 05:21:34 <DougReeder> I’ll poke into that soon, read the docs.
Oct 02 05:22:07 <DougReeder> I believe it’s iptables
Oct 02 05:22:15 <DougReeder> Pretty standard.
Oct 02 05:29:37 <DougReeder> Garfonso , your Media Indexer fix works - I can now get the paths for albums as under webOS!
Oct 02 05:42:15 <Herrie> Good stuff: Gradually we'll get there, just the fact that lots of stuff needs to be re-engineered is causing some challenges along the way;)
Oct 02 06:03:15 <Garfonso> morning
Oct 02 06:03:32 <Garfonso> DougReeder: new, proper IPK, same link :)
Oct 02 06:03:45 <Garfonso> if somebody wants to try tailor with luneos support: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j6o17c8q9ffqz75/org.webosinternals.tailor_0.3.1_all.ipk?dl=0 :)
Oct 02 06:03:51 <DougReeder> Yay!
Oct 02 06:03:53 <Garfonso> will go into alpha feeds soon.
Oct 02 06:06:50 <Garfonso> DougReeder: yes, it is iptables in effect.. so some magical commandline stuff should open it up. :)
Oct 02 06:07:07 * DougReeder nods
Oct 02 06:07:29 <Garfonso> maybe you find something that can control iptables for you and wrap a service around that if you want to look into firewall service
Oct 02 06:08:06 <DougReeder> My JavaScript service is behaving oddly, probably in part due to the (welcome) jump from Node v0.4 to Node v0.10
Oct 02 06:08:20 <Garfonso> https://github.com/pkrumins/node-iptables <- that looks just sufficient, doesn't it? ;)
Oct 02 06:08:57 <DougReeder> Ooooh, nice
Oct 02 06:09:03 <Garfonso> yes, new node version. But I didn't have a lot of issues with it... hm. The only issue I had in c+dav service was an issue with foundations library
Oct 02 06:09:26 <Garfonso> which is fixed on luneos now
Oct 02 06:10:07 <Garfonso> DougReeder: of course you can also do firewall service in C, if you prefer that. No clue what we prefer there... hm. Personally I like doing things in node.js ;)
Oct 02 06:10:41 <DougReeder> My C is rusty.
Oct 02 06:12:42 <DougReeder> One thing we probably need eventually is UI to allow users to approve or disapprove poking a hole in the firewall.
Oct 02 06:13:20 <DougReeder> If we need to do a simple dialog, can we also do that by issuing request on the service bus?
Oct 02 06:13:50 <Garfonso> Yes, UI is missing. But you can prepare the service to do something like this: https://github.com/webOS-ports/media-permission-service/blob/master/service/javascript/assistants/Assistants.js#L74
Oct 02 06:14:07 <Garfonso> then, if we get the UI side up, we can easily integrate it.
Oct 02 06:15:34 <DougReeder> Okay, that look reasonable.
Oct 02 06:17:10 <Garfonso> ah bit compicated is the thing that it calls back another assistant.. not sure that is the nicest solution.
Oct 02 06:21:57 <DougReeder> Services interacting gets hairy quickly.. as I found with my ZeroConf listener. Well, the complication there was Activities.
Oct 02 06:37:40 <Tofe> Herrie: pong
Oct 02 06:38:52 <Tofe> sorry, I couldn't read my irc yesterday evening
Oct 02 06:39:09 <Tofe> So, what's up with Units.gu ?
Oct 02 06:47:34 <Herrie> I think I sorted it
Oct 02 06:47:44 <Herrie> Had some bg images which I had in pixels
Oct 02 06:47:58 <Herrie> Which caused layout to be OK on N4 but not on Desktop and TP
Oct 02 06:48:07 <Herrie> Now made them in Units.gu and seem better
Oct 02 06:48:14 <Herrie> DId a big PR for browser y'day evening :P
Oct 02 06:58:41 <Tofe> Should I look at it ? I still don't have internet at home, and I'm only in the middle of my first coffee
Oct 02 07:16:27 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: When you have a chance ;) Feature wise not that much, basically fixed the address bar handling (cursor select) and added cut/copy/paste/select functionality. For the rest fixed the sharing options (email, bookmark,add to launcher) and added a possib
Oct 02 07:16:27 <Herrie|Veer> ility to edit bookmarks and dialog for adding them as well.
Oct 02 07:16:54 <Herrie|Veer> For the rest mainly did some cleanup and splitting of code into separate files like you suggested :)
Oct 02 07:21:57 <Garfonso> DougReeder: still around? Permissions did work for you? So we can close http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/637
Oct 02 07:22:45 <Tofe> I'm curious to see how you implemented copy/cut/paste
Oct 02 07:23:58 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: It's not pretty and sure it still has bugs but seems to work in most cases :P
Oct 02 07:24:09 <Herrie|Veer> It was giving me a bit of headaches though :P
Oct 02 07:24:23 <Herrie|Veer> And that's only for address bar
Oct 02 07:24:31 <Herrie|Veer> Didn't test it outside the app
Oct 02 07:24:49 <Herrie|Veer> Should theoretically go to system clipboard according to qml docs
Oct 02 07:27:48 <Tofe> I also see I really need to work on the qml dialog styles; actually you already did several of the styles by hand, so I would just need to adapt what you did
Oct 02 07:29:26 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: Yeah could probably do them even more generic but for now already trying to re-use them and be more flexible
Oct 02 07:30:27 <Herrie|Veer> The bookmark and confirm dialog could be combined with some more work I guess
Oct 02 07:30:38 <Herrie|Veer> Just left them separate for now.
Oct 02 07:55:34 <Tofe> looks good
Oct 02 07:55:47 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: do I let you some more time to test before merge ?
Oct 02 07:57:13 <Herrie|Veer> I'm happy with it, thrrgilag said it looks OK on TP more or less (better then before due to Units.gu v.s. pixels for bg images), so I think it's OK to merge. Anyway I test stuff extensively before pushing :P
Oct 02 07:57:40 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: also, I think we could create a StretchableRectangle, with the classic left, center, right images
Oct 02 07:58:06 <Tofe> but that'll be for later :)
Oct 02 07:58:28 <Tofe> merged
Oct 02 07:58:31 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: Yeah would be good to have some standard bits :P
Oct 02 07:58:59 <Herrie|Veer> I'll try and see if I can work on this swipe to delete and get it implemented :)
Oct 02 08:00:42 <Tofe> ok
Oct 02 08:00:50 <Herrie|Veer> And search suggestions too :)
Oct 02 08:23:04 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: You have any idea about 597?
Oct 02 08:23:41 <Herrie|Veer> If I would have some mechanism to save info to a file I would already be happy, this way I could take a favicon and save it for example.
Oct 02 08:24:01 <Herrie|Veer> Should be fairly easy for you, backend wise should be similar to screenshooter?
Oct 02 08:29:46 <Tofe> yes, should be fairly easy; in 597, though, the implementation seems to be attached to the WebAppManager, not LunaNext
Oct 02 08:29:54 <Tofe> isn't it ?
Oct 02 08:30:21 <Herrie|Veer> In legacy it uses some of the webkit bridging stuff
Oct 02 08:30:28 <Herrie|Veer> Let me look it up again
Oct 02 08:31:06 <Tofe> that should still be there; so it's just about bridging the qml code to the webappmanager implementation
Oct 02 08:31:23 <Tofe> "just" :)
Oct 02 08:31:30 <Herrie|Veer> It was in BrowserAdapter which we don't use anymore?
Oct 02 08:33:52 <Herrie|Veer> BrowserServer / BrowserAdapter was the legacy/Isis implementation for dealing with web stuff? We killed that in our setup afaik
Oct 02 08:33:59 <Tofe> We don't use it anymore, but I don't know if it's there; that wouldd make sense
Oct 02 08:34:50 <Herrie|Veer> If we don't use it I doubt the code will be of much use?
Oct 02 08:36:04 <Tofe> depends on the implementation, we could copy that to our webapp launcher
Oct 02 08:36:51 <Tofe> can't find the implementation, do you have a link ?
Oct 02 08:37:13 <Herrie|Veer> OK if you could have a look sometime would be great, because now can only make bookmarks and launcher shortcuts with a default icon :P
Oct 02 08:37:27 <Tofe> ah, found it
Oct 02 08:37:52 <Herrie|Veer> It's in github.com/woce/BrowserAdapter for sure ;)
Oct 02 08:40:03 <Tofe> Ok, I think the best way would be to propose a QML plugin, which would be used by our webapp-launcher to redirect calls for the JS calls
Oct 02 08:40:07 <Herrie|Veer> Let me update issue with link
Oct 02 08:41:19 <Herrie|Veer> Whatever works :P As long as I can do easy calls (either JS or Luna) I'm happy :P
Oct 02 08:44:48 <Tofe> An LS2 call would also be possible, I guess. I'm still hesitating.
Oct 02 08:45:53 <Herrie|Veer> I don't think we want to send too much data over LS2, a call would be fine though :)
Oct 02 11:09:22 <Tofe> http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/02/lg-webos-smartwatch/ <-- next target ? :D
Oct 02 11:36:45 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: read it too, looks interesting... Can't wait to find out more :P
Oct 02 11:44:29 <Garfonso> Microsoft didn't officially post their smartwatch yet, right? Still waiting for it because of the blood sugar measurement.
Oct 02 13:07:24 <DougReeder> Garfonso , http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/637 can be closed.  Do you do that, or should I?
Oct 02 13:10:28 <Garfonso> you. ;)
Oct 02 19:07:39 <morphis> Tofe: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/guides/lets-talk-about-performance/ is something I would like to have in Lune soon too
Oct 02 19:07:47 <morphis> the code seems to be easy portable
Oct 02 19:08:28 <Tofe> ok
Oct 02 19:11:33 <morphis> Tofe: http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/665
Oct 02 19:44:46 <HaDAk> Herrie: ping
Oct 02 19:45:36 <Herrie> Pong
Oct 02 19:45:44 <HaDAk> hey, you need help with a device menu?
Oct 02 19:46:34 <HaDAk> i feel bad because i never got around to the notification redesign thing. i've been kinda tied up with stuff.
Oct 02 19:46:40 <HaDAk> but it looks like i have a bit more time, now.
Oct 02 19:46:48 <HaDAk> and i want to help any way i can.
Oct 02 19:47:01 <Herrie> :)
Oct 02 19:47:24 <Herrie> Morphis made a mock for device menu, but not integrated yet, would be good if we have something like Choorp did for 2.x ;)
Oct 02 19:47:31 <HaDAk> i've been in the coding mood lately (starting with a redesign of my site, http://beta.hanskokx.photography )
Oct 02 19:47:45 <HaDAk> can you send me pictures of what you're talking about?
Oct 02 19:47:49 <HaDAk> because i'm not visualizing it
Oct 02 19:49:25 <Herrie> Yeah lemme look it up
Oct 02 19:49:55 <HaDAk> i need to get lune going on my touchpad.
Oct 02 19:50:01 <HaDAk> probably won't happen this week though
Oct 02 19:50:09 <HaDAk> i'm thinking i could do it next week
Oct 02 19:50:15 <HaDAk> at least i've got a testbed then
Oct 02 19:50:37 <Herrie> See: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Luna_Next
Oct 02 19:50:47 <Herrie> That's what Choorp made for 2.x
Oct 02 19:51:24 <HaDAk> ugly as hell, but functional.
Oct 02 19:51:26 <HaDAk> what about the mockups?
Oct 02 19:51:30 <Herrie> Menu branch is in: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/tree/morphis/systemmenu
Oct 02 19:51:43 <Herrie> You can simply load this in QtCreator (included in QT 5.3)
Oct 02 19:51:46 <Herrie> And play with it ;)
Oct 02 19:52:47 <HaDAk> installing QT now
Oct 02 19:53:11 <HaDAk> arm v5 or v7?
Oct 02 19:53:32 <HaDAk> or both?
Oct 02 19:53:52 <HaDAk> i'm installing both.
Oct 02 19:53:59 <HaDAk> hopefully it finishes before i have to leave work in 5 minutes
Oct 02 19:56:16 <HaDAk> well that was fast.
Oct 02 19:57:34 <HaDAk> ok cool. it loads up.
Oct 02 19:57:39 <HaDAk> i'll take a look and see what i can do.
Oct 02 19:58:01 <HaDAk> i'm sure qml can't be that hard. :)
Oct 02 20:28:21 <lagoldste> hi there :)
Oct 02 20:30:54 <Herrie> Hi
Oct 02 22:46:27 <ichthys> hi I saw the msg on pivotCE and the webos wiki asking for help. I dont know if Im suitable to do so. im good at C and my day job is writing bootloaders and software downloaders for Set-Top boxes.  I only have a palm pre3 to work on.  Any thoughts ?
Oct 03 00:29:16 <ka6sox> jcsullins, ping?
Oct 03 00:29:36 <jcsullins> ka6sox: pong
Oct 03 00:30:28 <ka6sox> jcsullins, when the release is out (very soon now) the luneos-root will be the default location
Oct 03 00:31:24 <ka6sox> thanks for the suggestion!
Oct 03 00:31:54 <jcsullins> ka6sox: awesome, I've been distracted from the tptoolbox install work but hope to get back at it this weekend
Oct 03 00:32:54 <ka6sox> jcsullins, thanks…know how it is to be busy...
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