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Nov 19 04:13:36 <DougReeder> garfonso , in my test Google account, some contacts have IM entries, but I’m not seeing any in person data.  Has that field been implemented in the C+DAV connector and the process which maps contacts into persons?
Nov 19 07:10:48 <Garfonso> DougReeder: contact linker probably supports IM. The vcard conversion *should* also. But I must admit that I never tested this. Will investigate. :)
Nov 19 07:14:56 <Tofe> morphis: distant pong
Nov 19 07:59:01 <Tofe> morphis: more reliable pong.
Nov 19 08:03:25 <morphis> Tofe: morning
Nov 19 08:04:17 <morphis> Tofe: I thought about integrating the first use mode directly into the cardshell
Nov 19 08:04:27 <morphis> and not using a loader for two different shell types
Nov 19 08:08:13 <Tofe> morphis: well, why not; anyway, it's pretty much a question of where to set the branching
Nov 19 08:08:46 <morphis> the main idea behind this is that we don't end up handling windows not or the wrong way
Nov 19 08:09:23 <Tofe> ah, yes, that's right. First use is a bit too simple on that angle
Nov 19 08:12:29 <Tofe> morphis: ok, so what would we show of the cardshell in First Use ? status bar ? gesture area ?
Nov 19 08:27:34 <morphis> Tofe: just status bar
Nov 19 08:35:38 <Tofe> Makes sense, we don't want the first use app to be switched to card :)
Nov 19 08:50:36 <Herrie|Veer> morning
Nov 19 08:52:25 <Herrie|Veer> Gesture area with only allowing right swipe might be good though for screenshots and left swipe to go back
Nov 19 08:55:36 <Herrie|Veer> Maybe only restrict minimizing to card view
Nov 19 08:56:08 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: I think I agree. morphis?
Nov 19 08:57:50 <Herrie|Veer> I was first thinking only right swipe but left makes sense to get back with left swipe to previous page in first use
Nov 19 09:02:00 <Tofe> It might even be the occasion to train the user to use that gesture a bit
Nov 19 09:16:55 <morphis> Herrie, Tofe: I would leave the gesture area out in first use
Nov 19 09:16:57 <morphis> just status bar
Nov 19 09:17:18 <morphis> as we would have then two ways for navigation which might confuse
Nov 19 09:17:32 <morphis> so lets better stick to just one: the for and back buttons
Nov 19 09:25:29 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: I think it's explainable you cannot minimize in First Use but you can elsewhere?
Nov 19 09:26:05 <Herrie|Veer> I thought we also wanted to have maybe some tutorial stuff sometime in future, then gesture area would be good to have for "training"?
Nov 19 09:27:02 <Herrie|Veer> It would make sense to have this in first use as well. User could skip it of course when needed :P
Nov 19 09:36:38 <Tofe> morphis: ok; anyway, it'll be a one-liner.
Nov 19 14:46:50 <thrrgilag> grr...  looks like the nexus 5 still isn't booting fully.  guessing i need to hammer out the appropriate kernel tweaks to make this work.
Nov 19 14:47:46 <thrrgilag> oh the fun of troubleshooting a kernel in the dark (no display no debug output ...)
Nov 19 14:48:06 <thrrgilag> i have a whole new level of respect for those who do this a lot
Nov 19 14:51:57 <morphis> thrrgilag: welcome :)
Nov 19 15:13:40 <Tofe> there isn't even the possibility of booting in text framebuffer mode?
Nov 19 15:14:22 <Tofe> and you don't have any logcat from previous boot, accessible through recovery adb ?
Nov 19 15:15:24 <thrrgilag> I pulled the /proc/last_kmsg from adb but isn't showing anything useful at the moment
Nov 19 15:16:19 <thrrgilag> i'm going through the kernel config line by line comparing it to the mako, i'm seeing a few options that may help
Nov 19 15:16:24 <thrrgilag> no hardware specific options that is
Nov 19 15:17:29 <thrrgilag> the interesting tell is that after flashing the image it reboots back to the bootloader
Nov 19 15:20:14 <Tofe> thrrgilag: could also mean it couldn't mount the root fs, maybe
Nov 19 15:20:44 <Tofe> did you try putting some traces in the initrd?
Nov 19 15:21:59 <thrrgilag> i did a little while back when i first attempted the port but wasn't getting anything which made me wonder if i was even getting that far
Nov 19 15:22:48 <thrrgilag> so actually then i wonder if the last_kmsg was even my boot attempt or if it was from a previous booted os
Nov 19 15:38:35 <Roy__> Can anyone confirm this is a proper identification of LuneOS?  {platform: "webos", regex: /LuneOS/, forceVersion: 4, extra: {luneos: 1}}  (specifically the regex for the browser)
Nov 19 15:39:59 <Roy__> ka6sox: ^
Nov 19 15:54:09 <Herrie|Veer> Roy___: We have LuneOS in the UA string in browser :)
Nov 19 15:55:30 <Herrie|Veer> Just don't have wifi here to confirm the exact string, would need to check at home in about 90 mins
Nov 19 16:00:04 <Herrie|Veer> UA is: Mozilla/5.0 (LuneOS; Mobile) WebKit/538.1
Nov 19 16:00:14 <Herrie|Veer> Found a wifi that works here :P
Nov 19 16:00:20 <Herrie|Veer> Thats on N4
Nov 19 16:00:49 <Herrie|Veer> On tablet Mobile would be replaced by Tablet
Nov 19 16:07:42 <morphis> Roy__: you mean the web browser or the one rendering the apps?
Nov 19 16:09:37 <morphis> Roy__: navigator.userAgent gives you "Mozilla/5.0 (LuneOS; Mobile) WebKit/537.21" when running within the webapp engine
Nov 19 16:14:36 <Roy__> I was thinking webapp engine.
Nov 19 16:14:45 <Roy__> What does browser give?
Nov 19 16:15:07 <morphis> similar, just version is different
Nov 19 16:15:13 <morphis>  Mozilla/5.0 (LuneOS; Mobile) WebKit/538.
Nov 19 16:15:29 <morphis> so searching for LuneOS in the string is a valid detection
Nov 19 16:15:36 <Roy__> Excellent.  I would say that matching string is perfect.
Nov 19 16:15:41 <morphis> Roy__: you are adding this to enyo?
Nov 19 16:15:55 <Roy__> Yes, Jason submitted a PR and I'm validating it.
Nov 19 16:16:08 <morphis> ah
Nov 19 16:16:27 <Roy__> Is anyone interested in loading the Enyo sampler with his patch and verifying it shows up with the right platform?
Nov 19 16:22:40 <morphis> Herrie maybe
Nov 19 16:22:50 <morphis> Roy__: I will ask him
Nov 19 16:24:08 <Roy__> OK.
Nov 19 16:24:29 <Roy__> I'm going to double-check it doesn't break anything else but I think I can call it good.
Nov 19 16:24:48 <morphis> ok
Nov 19 16:41:32 <DougReeder> Enyo Sampler, running in Black Eye on an N4, says user agent string is “Mozilla/5.0 (LuneOS; Mobile) WebKit/538.1”
Nov 19 16:41:54 <DougReeder> … but someone said the webit version was hardcoded, and was out of date.
Nov 19 16:42:19 <morphis> DougReeder: yeah
Nov 19 16:42:21 <morphis> just ignore it
Nov 19 16:43:11 <DougReeder> So, where’s the patched version of Sampler? In a GitHub PR?
Nov 19 16:43:56 <morphis> DougReeder: looks like it is https://github.com/enyojs/enyo/pull/929
Nov 19 16:44:27 <DougReeder> Oh, it says enyo.platform is {touch: true, gesture: false}  Is this patch supposed to correct that?
Nov 19 16:44:32 <morphis> DougReeder: btw. we really need to put the sampler into our dev images
Nov 19 16:45:15 <DougReeder> Wouldn’t a link in the launcher be better?
Nov 19 16:45:30 <morphis> that is what I mean
Nov 19 16:45:38 <DougReeder> Built in apps are not constrained to use the same version of Enyo.
Nov 19 16:45:39 <morphis> ah you mean a link to the online version?
Nov 19 16:46:26 <DougReeder> I’m a little vague on what the point of including Enyo Sampler is.
Nov 19 16:47:00 <morphis> I just want it to test things in development
Nov 19 16:47:12 <morphis> and having a link to the online version isn't really what we need there
Nov 19 16:47:24 <morphis> we mainly need it to verify everything is working fine when we for example update webkit
Nov 19 16:47:43 <DougReeder> Basically, see if changing something in LuneOS, causes problems for Enyo apps?
Nov 19 16:48:32 <DougReeder> What we really need, then, is automated tests. But including Sampler would be a wothwhile stopgap.
Nov 19 16:51:20 <DougReeder> Is there a way to download Enyo and sampler from the PR, or do I need to git clone a copy of sampler, and use git to pull the version of Enyo in the PR?
Nov 19 16:51:57 <GodGinrai> PR?
Nov 19 16:52:17 <DougReeder>  https://github.com/enyojs/enyo/pull/929
Nov 19 16:52:20 <morphis> I think you have to clone
Nov 19 16:56:19 <DougReeder> I appear to have a copy of sampler; what’s the git command that tells me what the URL of the origin?
Nov 19 16:58:10 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: git remote show origin
Nov 19 16:58:33 <DougReeder> Thank you
Nov 19 16:58:35 <GodGinrai> yw
Nov 19 17:00:09 <DougReeder> Dang, git submodule update —init tells me “fatal: remote error: enyojs/enyojs/enyo is not a valid repository name”
Nov 19 17:02:37 <DougReeder> I’ll nuke my local repository and start fresh
Nov 19 17:03:28 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: wait
Nov 19 17:03:39 <GodGinrai> what was your pwd when you ran that command?
Nov 19 17:03:58 <DougReeder> I was in the sampler directory
Nov 19 17:04:22 <GodGinrai> hrm
Nov 19 17:04:53 <GodGinrai> I would try it in the base directory of the repo
Nov 19 17:05:03 <GodGinrai> and start over again if that didn't work
Nov 19 17:05:15 <DougReeder> It was an old copy of sampler; a fresh clone eliminates some problems
Nov 19 17:05:30 <GodGinrai> k
Nov 19 17:06:45 <DougReeder> Wow, that was easier in Eclipse than on the command line! I think that’s a first!
Nov 19 17:07:55 <DougReeder> all right I have Sampler master, with whatever version of Enyo it specified.
Nov 19 17:08:55 <DougReeder> Roy__ , i thing it would be nice if the Platform panel in Sampler told you what version of Enyo it was using.
Nov 19 17:10:30 <Tofe> morphis: did you already begin something about this first use change? I could sketch something pretty quickly
Nov 19 17:12:30 <GodGinrai> eclipse for JS?
Nov 19 17:12:35 * GodGinrai shudders
Nov 19 17:13:29 <Roy__> DougReeder: Good idea.
Nov 19 17:13:41 <Roy__> Can you put together a pull request for that?  :)
Nov 19 17:13:56 <DougReeder> In my copious spare time? Sure.
Nov 19 17:14:54 <DougReeder> Okay, got sampler runnin on my local seb server.  How do I tell git to use the PR version of Enyo? Is it a branch?
Nov 19 17:15:53 <Roy__> DougReeder: yes.  Do this:
Nov 19 17:15:53 <Roy__> cd enyo
Nov 19 17:15:53 <Roy__> git pull
Nov 19 17:15:53 <Roy__> git checkout luneos-jasonrobitaille
Nov 19 17:16:21 <Roy__> at least, that /should/ work.
Nov 19 17:17:03 <DougReeder> “You are not currently on a branch. Please specify which
Nov 19 17:17:03 <DougReeder> branch you want to merge with. “
Nov 19 17:17:14 <DougReeder> Should I set branch master first?
Nov 19 17:17:40 <DougReeder> that did it
Nov 19 17:18:08 <DougReeder> Switched to a new branch 'luneos-jasonrobitaille'
Nov 19 17:19:21 <DougReeder> When I reload debug.html, I don’t see anything different.
Nov 19 17:19:53 <DougReeder> In particular, under LuneOS, shoudl enyo.platform have a value for platformName?
Nov 19 17:20:37 <Roy__> yes, it should say 'webos'
Nov 19 17:21:01 <Roy__> Caching issue?
Nov 19 17:21:26 <DougReeder> Git says I’ve switched the enyo submodule; how can I chech the browser is seeing it?
Nov 19 17:23:48 <DougReeder> Rebooted, enyo.platform is {touch: tru, gesture: false, webos: 4 luneos: 1, platformName: webos}
Nov 19 17:26:55 <DougReeder> Roy__ , is that what you expect?
Nov 19 17:33:37 <DougReeder> Roy__ , since the PlatformSample is part of the enyo submodule, I would need to duplifork enyo, rather than Sampler, yes/
Nov 19 17:33:50 <DougReeder> s/\//?
Nov 19 17:42:39 <Roy__> DougReeder: Yep!
Nov 19 17:43:23 <DougReeder> Drat, gotta move my changes to the master branch
Nov 19 17:43:28 <Roy__> As to your second question.... yes, you'll update Enyo.
Nov 19 17:43:35 <Roy__> git stash.
Nov 19 17:43:52 <DougReeder> Yeah
Nov 19 17:44:00 <Roy__> Can create a new branch, if you wnat.
Nov 19 17:45:15 <morphis> Roy__: what does the luneos: 1 stand for?
Nov 19 17:45:19 <morphis> 1 = true?
Nov 19 17:47:49 <DougReeder> PR sent, Roy__
Nov 19 17:52:43 <DougReeder> Shouldn’t gesture be true?  Or would more work need to be done so Enyo knows about LuneOS gestures?
Nov 19 17:53:18 <DougReeder> The back gesture on the virtual gesture area works (usually)
Nov 19 17:58:06 <DougReeder> IMHO, luneos:1 is a good value - if someday we make some breaking change, we can increment it.  A boolean is more limited.
Nov 19 17:58:37 <DougReeder> But that does beg the question of LuneOS versioning - from the application perspective.
Nov 19 18:00:54 <DougReeder> Ah, gesture is “True if the platform has native double-finger events” I don’t think we have that yet.
Nov 19 18:14:31 <DougReeder> morphis , we might actually want separate versions of Sampler for each version of Enyo.  Probably just current, previous, and bleeding-edge.
Nov 19 18:22:31 <Roy__> DougReeder: Thanks!
Nov 19 20:19:06 <DougReeder> Huh, Firefox OS is developing something resembling DB8: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Data_Store_API
Nov 19 20:41:48 <Tofe> morphis: I was thinking along the lines of something like this: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/commit/5d847deda65ec66ed09977a2adbf010bfa7bfaec
Nov 19 20:42:14 <Tofe> it's not yet tested, but apart from the little bugs it should work I think
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