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Feb 04 03:59:25 <DougReeder> The JavaScript Localization section in http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Internationalization has two things all JS developers should be doing now: passing all UI strings through $L() and using enyo.macroize()
Feb 04 04:02:07 <DougReeder> Someone familiar with I18N/L10N under C/C++ should update that section.
Feb 04 04:50:23 <DougReeder> Herrie, I’m thinking the lexicons could be split into a short LuneOS-specific section, and a larger general section.
Feb 04 06:05:22 <Herrie> DougReeder: Not sure how to do this in QML exactly, I guess we'd need some kind of plugin somehow
Feb 04 06:05:36 * DougReeder hmmm
Feb 04 06:06:20 <DougReeder> How much user text actually originates from C/C++ ?
Feb 04 06:06:53 <DougReeder> For one, the errorText retruned over the PalmBus is for programmers, not end users.
Feb 04 06:07:05 <DougReeder> That’s why defining errorCodes is so important.
Feb 04 06:07:40 <Herrie> But that's more for morphis/Tofe to sort
Feb 04 06:09:02 <DougReeder> Is the network menu done using JS or C?
Feb 04 06:09:54 <Herrie> JS but in QML
Feb 04 06:45:15 <morphis> DougReeder: we shoud have not text coming from C++
Feb 04 06:45:23 <morphis> just QML
Feb 04 06:45:38 <DougReeder> ok
Feb 04 06:49:11 <DougReeder> It looks like every UI string in QML should be passed through qsTr()
Feb 04 06:51:24 <DougReeder> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/declarative-i18n.html   “The translations are held in QM files that must be generated from TS files.”
Feb 04 06:52:59 <morphis> DougReeder: right
Feb 04 06:53:18 <morphis> we then only have to integrate this with what we use as string resource
Feb 04 06:53:28 <morphis> Qt has its own format but we can replace that
Feb 04 07:01:15 <Herrie> Legacy had the following: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/blob/beta/uiComponents/SystemMenu/AirplaneModeElement.qml#L20
Feb 04 07:01:22 <Herrie> runtime.getLocalizedString
Feb 04 07:03:33 <morphis> Herrie: yeah, but we should us qsTr
Feb 04 07:04:53 <Herrie> ok
Feb 04 07:07:52 <Herrie> You see us still using json files like legacy or you have something else in mind?
Feb 04 07:20:04 <morphis> Herrie: yeah, json files are the way to go
Feb 04 07:40:23 <morphis> DougReeder: btw. can we create a common json lib where we put in thing for dealing with com.palm.person/contact objects
Feb 04 07:40:30 <morphis> like extracting the name, phone number etc.
Feb 04 07:40:39 <morphis> need this from QML too
Feb 04 07:40:50 <morphis> and don't want to redo the same job you did
Feb 04 07:41:04 <DougReeder> Hmm?  I’m not quite sure what you’re asking.
Feb 04 07:42:13 <morphis> we have multiple fields in a person which builds the name
Feb 04 07:42:13 <DougReeder> I’m not sure what a “json lib” would be.
Feb 04 07:42:41 <DougReeder> Oh, for calculated fields, like displayName?
Feb 04 07:42:44 <morphis> and I don't want do write the same code to build up a display name from this
Feb 04 07:42:47 <morphis> right
Feb 04 07:43:23 <morphis> lib= simple js file without enyo specifics
Feb 04 07:43:32 <morphis> that way we can use it from enyo and QML
Feb 04 07:43:53 <DougReeder> QML can call JavaScript functions?
Feb 04 07:44:14 <Herrie> DougReeder: Yes it can
Feb 04 07:44:20 <DougReeder> Hmmm.
Feb 04 07:44:24 <Herrie> I imported some legacy functions like the macroize one ;)
Feb 04 07:44:37 <Herrie> In the browser
Feb 04 07:44:56 <Herrie> https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.browser/blob/master/qml/js/util.js
Feb 04 07:45:08 <morphis> DougReeder: I am thinking about just putting some functions in there which get the person object in and extract what is needed
Feb 04 07:45:15 <DougReeder> That’s doable.  It breaks the encapsulation we get from using Enyo Model objects.
Feb 04 07:46:19 <DougReeder> But we could re-write the Model objects to call the shared functions.
Feb 04 07:46:36 <morphis> hm, we already have https://github.com/openwebos/loadable-frameworks
Feb 04 07:47:20 <morphis> looks like that already does what we need
Feb 04 07:50:13 <DougReeder> It uses it’s own uniqe way of accessing properties and such.  Would not be easy to get to work with the Enyo data-aceess paradigm.
Feb 04 07:51:52 <DougReeder> It’s good to not repeat ourselves, but it’s not good to tie ourselves in knots in order to be able to do so.
Feb 04 07:57:11 <morphis> DougReeder: good
Feb 04 07:57:20 <morphis> then lets start a new library for those things
Feb 04 07:57:28 <morphis> DougReeder: any idea for a repo name?
Feb 04 07:57:39 <DougReeder> Hmm
Feb 04 07:58:50 <DougReeder> contacts-lib would work
Feb 04 08:18:49 <morphis> DougReeder: https://github.com/webOS-ports/contacts-lib
Feb 04 09:24:43 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: you might have some time to tune the browser a bit more?
Feb 04 09:26:17 <nizovn> morphis: i wanted to ask this too. bookmarks page is transparent to clicks :P and need some layout fixing
Feb 04 09:26:28 <morphis> nizovn: yeah
Feb 04 09:26:51 <morphis> also some buttons doesn't switch their states correctly and we need to adjust the layout for phones
Feb 04 10:00:53 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: Can have a look for that. But waiting more for Tofe and nizovn to have rotation implemented so can do some major rework
Feb 04 10:01:50 <Herrie|Veer> Can do some minor fixes though in meanwhile
Feb 04 10:06:32 <Tofe> Oh. Rotation. :)
Feb 04 10:07:13 <Tofe> Not that difficult actually, but it may reveal some bugs here and there
Feb 04 10:07:56 <morphis> nizovn: should we talk about how to implement sensor support now?
Feb 04 10:08:20 <nizovn> yes
Feb 04 10:11:02 <morphis> nizovn: you already saw the Android HAL API for sensors?
Feb 04 10:11:14 <nizovn> no
Feb 04 10:14:31 <morphis> libhybris has again a small test program for it: https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris/blob/master/hybris/tests/test_sensors.c
Feb 04 10:14:44 <Tofe> morphis: is our Qt QPA already forwarding the calls for sensors? Or is it actually what's still to be done?
Feb 04 10:15:15 <morphis> Tofe: that is what we still have to implement
Feb 04 10:15:23 <Tofe> ok
Feb 04 10:16:52 <morphis> nizovn: https://github.com/mer-packages/sensorfw/blob/master/core/hybrisadaptor.cpp is a nice example of how to use it in a real world scenario
Feb 04 10:17:36 <nizovn> so we need SENSOR_TYPE_ROTATION_VECTOR?
Feb 04 10:18:05 <morphis> SENSOR_TYPE_ORIENTATION I think
Feb 04 10:18:35 <morphis> nizovn: primary question is now how we integrate this into our system
Feb 04 10:18:53 <morphis> the HAL API can be only use at a single point in the system
Feb 04 10:19:04 <morphis> so we need a daemon to abstract it
Feb 04 10:19:36 <morphis> later we need then a Qt plugin which talks with this daemon over ls2/dbus
Feb 04 10:20:58 <nizovn> needed are: daemon(service) and nyx-module. right?
Feb 04 10:21:34 <morphis> right
Feb 04 10:21:48 <morphis> nizovn: another option would be that we extend the daemon Mer did
Feb 04 10:22:35 <morphis> but not sure if that is a bit too much
Feb 04 10:22:57 <nizovn> is https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-sysmgr-common/blob/master/Src/nyx/NyxSensorConnector.cpp used anywhere?
Feb 04 10:23:24 <morphis> no
Feb 04 10:24:04 <morphis> nizovn: maybe its better to stick what we're and use nyx and the left over code from luna-sysmgr
Feb 04 10:25:30 <morphis> nizovn: one of the problems we have is that the Android HAL API can be used only from a single point
Feb 04 10:25:38 <morphis> where nyx wants us to implement one module per sensor
Feb 04 10:29:33 <nizovn> if we got daemon, then it's theoretically possible to use it for nyx too.
Feb 04 10:29:50 <morphis> you mean the Mer one?
Feb 04 10:31:43 <nizovn> yes, it should work out of the box?
Feb 04 10:32:24 <morphis> yes, but might bring too much complexity in our system
Feb 04 10:41:18 <morphis> nizovn: I am thinking more about reusing some of their code
Feb 04 10:41:22 <morphis> but writing a new daemon
Feb 04 10:41:43 <morphis> which then uses the Android HAL directly but can be simply switched to use a dummy backend or a nyx one
Feb 04 10:43:16 <nizovn> ok
Feb 04 10:43:32 <morphis> then we just need to design a simple ls2 API for it
Feb 04 10:48:21 <morphis> nizovn: what about https://bpaste.net/show/3fd4389cbc91?
Feb 04 10:51:08 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: #749 can be moved to Americano and closed?
Feb 04 10:51:53 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: yes
Feb 04 10:55:57 <nizovn> morphis: ok, seems like on nyx. only undefined instead of unknown
Feb 04 10:56:28 <morphis> yeah
Feb 04 10:56:40 <morphis> nizovn: so do we name the daemon sensord?
Feb 04 10:57:20 <nizovn> yes
Feb 04 11:04:37 <morphis> nizovn: https://github.com/webOS-ports/sensord
Feb 04 11:07:12 <morphis> Tofe: I think we can start using the ls2 API in the cardshell and convert later to the Qt components once we have the plugins
Feb 04 11:10:23 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: btw. you're fine with the stable builds?
Feb 04 11:13:41 <Herrie|Veer> Morphis they look OK to me. Played a bit with them (mainly N4). Nothing odd. TP4G needs some TLC for data connection (picky Ericsson I guess)
Feb 04 11:13:47 <Herrie|Veer> Don't get signal bars
Feb 04 11:13:55 <Herrie|Veer> Didn't try Sierra
Feb 04 11:16:35 <nizovn> morphis: so i'm going to finish today some small fixes and then deeply work for a long time with ls2 service using hybrisadaptor
Feb 04 11:19:42 <morphis> nizovn: sounds good
Feb 04 11:19:45 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: ok
Feb 04 11:19:50 <morphis> then lets put out the images
Feb 04 11:21:04 <Herrie|Veer> Let me see if Alan did something on announcement already
Feb 04 11:21:49 <morphis> nizovn: when you're done with orentation we should be able to quickly add the other sensors too
Feb 04 11:22:09 <nizovn> ok
Feb 04 11:23:57 <Herrie|Veer> Seems he didn't let me mock up a draft quickly
Feb 04 12:49:11 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: drafted the release note need to add some screenshots still
Feb 04 13:11:32 <morphis> ok
Feb 04 17:50:41 <morphis> JaMa: can you have a look at http://jenkins.nas-admin.org/view/luneos-stable/job/luneos-stable_feeds-new-staging/49/console
Feb 04 17:50:44 <morphis> something seems to be wrong
Feb 04 17:56:37 <Herrie> morphis: Looks like we have some webos-ports references there still
Feb 04 17:58:46 <morphis> yeah
Feb 04 17:59:25 <morphis> Herrie: we need to enhance the phone from the visual perspective too
Feb 04 17:59:32 <morphis> not sure into which direction we want to got
Feb 04 17:59:37 <morphis> s/got/go/
Feb 04 18:00:47 <Herrie> Phone app you mean or phone ui in general?
Feb 04 18:00:58 <morphis> phone ui in general
Feb 04 18:01:53 <Herrie> morphis: https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-ports-setup/blob/dizzy/scripts/staging_header.sh
Feb 04 18:01:58 <Herrie> CURRENT_PROJECT=webos-ports
Feb 04 18:06:19 <morphis> yeah possible
Feb 04 18:06:25 <morphis> but want JaMa to fix that
Feb 04 18:10:24 <JaMa> we still use webos-ports as build directory (unless someone changed it while I was away)
Feb 04 18:10:28 <JaMa> so this should be correct
Feb 04 18:19:07 <Herrie> I doubt anyone touched anything ;)
Feb 04 18:19:40 <morphis> JaMa: I didn't
Feb 04 18:24:45 <Herrie> morphis: On phone UI: This will be easier when we have orientation and portrait/landscape implemented
Feb 04 18:29:13 <JaMa> hmm it looks like my fault from removing webos-ports symlinks on milla file server
Feb 04 18:32:27 <JaMa> morphis: is there reason for using git sha for meta-webos-ports revision instead of tag in stable branch?
Feb 04 18:37:42 <morphis> JaMa: no
Feb 04 18:39:05 <morphis> Herrie: why?
Feb 04 18:39:11 <morphis> what makes it easier?
Feb 04 18:39:45 <Herrie> So we just have an easier way to differentiate between the 2
Feb 04 18:40:19 <Herrie> Can be done now too
Feb 04 18:40:49 <morphis> that isn't really my problem with the phone app
Feb 04 18:40:57 <morphis> I am more a bit clueless how to design it
Feb 04 18:41:07 <morphis> it doesn't has a real visual design yet
Feb 04 18:41:20 <Herrie> morphis yeah
Feb 04 18:41:40 <Herrie> Don't worry about that too much
Feb 04 18:42:11 <Herrie> Focus on back end and I'll tackle UI side with graphics guys
Feb 04 18:42:51 <morphis> it's not that easy
Feb 04 18:43:19 <morphis> but yeah would be good to get some creative ideas from our graphic guys
Feb 04 18:43:36 <morphis> basically we need also a visual identity for such things we can use in LuneOS generally
Feb 04 18:44:10 <GodGinrai> working on designing the phone app for LuneOS?
Feb 04 18:44:43 <morphis> yes
Feb 04 18:46:41 <GodGinrai> neat
Feb 04 18:46:42 <Herrie> We basically have a modified Meego phone app in QML now
Feb 04 18:46:55 <Herrie> But we need to style it webOS/LuneOS way ;)
Feb 04 18:47:03 <GodGinrai> because they didn't give us the code for webOS's phone app :(
Feb 04 18:47:37 <GodGinrai> style it?  So you don't plan to make an Enyo one?
Feb 04 18:48:15 <Herrie> GodGinrai: Well depends, QML is quicker for these things nad performance it good as well
Feb 04 18:48:26 <Herrie> But if someone would make a good ENyo 2 one we'd be open for that I guess
Feb 04 18:48:35 <Herrie> But that's up to morphis
Feb 04 18:48:47 <morphis> no
Feb 04 18:48:52 <Herrie> morphis: BTW calling seems to work for me, my home phone rings just no audio routing ;)
Feb 04 18:49:02 <Herrie> QML has all the oFono bits already implemented
Feb 04 18:49:26 <GodGinrai> morphis: no to what I asked? or no to Herrie's comment?
Feb 04 18:50:26 <morphis> to Herrie's comment
Feb 04 18:50:32 <GodGinrai> ok
Feb 04 18:53:04 <Herrie> Incoming call also seems to work, wrong caller ID but it works
Feb 04 18:53:08 <Herrie> Just no audio routing ;)
Feb 04 18:53:15 <Herrie> And needs adding to lockscreen ;)
Feb 04 18:53:24 <JaMa> morphis: staging 032 should be fixed now
Feb 04 18:53:45 <morphis> JaMa: thanks!
Feb 04 18:54:01 <morphis> Herrie: it works but still needs a lot of improvements ..
Feb 04 18:54:06 <morphis> still far from being usable
Feb 04 18:54:44 <Herrie> morphis: Yeah there's no audio routing and I get black screen while in call ;)
Feb 04 18:54:50 <Herrie> I think something needs tweaking there
Feb 04 18:54:52 <Herrie> I can look into that
Feb 04 18:55:09 <morphis> Herrie: no, I am already working on that
Feb 04 18:55:13 <Herrie> Ah ok
Feb 04 18:55:18 <morphis> there will be quite a lot updates
Feb 04 18:55:32 <morphis> I am refactoring quite a bit of the app atm
Feb 04 18:55:37 <Herrie> Just keep UI simple for now just add basic functionality and I'll tweak it with graphics guys
Feb 04 18:56:10 <Herrie> I know UI is not your thing and it can take lots of time to sort
Feb 04 18:56:25 <Herrie> PRefer if you'd focus on back end stuff which is more interesting for you anyway ;)
Feb 04 18:57:14 <morphis> Herrie: if it would be so easy
Feb 04 18:57:22 <morphis> I will leave the proper styling out
Feb 04 18:58:33 <Herrie> morphis: I know but you know what I mean
Feb 04 18:58:51 <Herrie> I know it's not clear separation between UI and back end, but a lot of it is ;)
Feb 04 18:59:46 <Herrie> In case you need me to look into something or want some feedback/testing let me know
Feb 04 18:59:49 <Herrie> Always up for that
Feb 04 18:59:54 <Herrie> Even when it's early stages
Feb 04 18:59:56 <morphis> I know :)
Feb 04 19:00:19 <morphis> but what I am cooking right now needs a lot of different things also changed in the system so give me a bit to land that correctly
Feb 04 19:00:36 <Herrie> Sure :)
Feb 04 19:01:49 <morphis> Herrie: I am also adding now our own QtQuick.Controls style
Feb 04 19:01:53 <morphis> which gets loaded by default
Feb 04 19:04:12 <morphis> JaMa: can you also copy the 032 stage images as the release ones for americano?
Feb 04 19:04:40 <JaMa> shouldn't we merge them to public feed first?
Feb 04 19:09:30 <morphis> right
Feb 04 19:13:22 <JaMa> done http://build.webos-ports.org/releases/americano/
Feb 04 19:13:30 <morphis> JaMa: thanks!
Feb 04 19:16:25 <Herrie> morphis: Great!
Feb 04 19:16:39 <Herrie> We needed that because our current QML is a bit problematic in that regard
Feb 04 19:16:54 <morphis> :)
Feb 04 19:26:38 <Tofe> morphis: I'll try adding the commit for setMask on qtwayland https://github.com/qtproject/qtwayland/commit/c288de20291eb5d9a3dc3e3eae16d007fd08afa3
Feb 04 19:26:52 <morphis> Tofe: didn't we do that already?
Feb 04 19:27:16 <Tofe> yes, but either I never pushed it to the repo, or it got lost when rebasing on 5.4
Feb 04 19:27:22 <morphis> ah
Feb 04 19:27:25 <morphis> so bad ..
Feb 04 19:27:42 <Tofe> I've got it locally, on a now quite old qtwayland
Feb 04 19:27:59 <morphis> good
Feb 04 19:27:59 <Tofe> So I guess it's my fault...
Feb 04 19:31:57 <morphis> as long as we get it fixed :)
Feb 04 19:32:18 <Tofe> well, I thing it's one good way to go, if we get it working
Feb 04 19:34:27 <Herrie> morphis: pivotce.com/2015/02/04/luneos-february-stable-release-americano/
Feb 04 19:39:57 <DougReeder> Yay!
Feb 04 19:52:10 <Tofe> very good :)
Feb 04 20:47:18 <Tofe> morphis: looks like it was the way to go, it's working
Feb 04 20:48:16 <Tofe> (I just spent one useless hour just because I forgot to install qtwayland-plugins  along qtwayland... )
Feb 04 20:49:33 <Tofe> morphis: I'll push a PR for qtwayland + another one for webos-keyboard. You can merge them in any order, nothing will break. But it will only fix the issue with both, of course.
Feb 04 20:56:16 <Tofe> PRs done.
Feb 04 21:02:04 <Herrie> Tofe: This is the annoying VKB bug with the popup area?
Feb 04 21:07:46 <Tofe> Herrie: exactly
Feb 04 21:09:00 <Tofe> what's most frustrating is that I actually fixed it in november, but I tested it the wrong way, so I thought the setMask patch didn't work well...
Feb 04 21:09:18 <Tofe> ...and therefore I didn't push it. *pan*
Feb 04 21:11:50 <Herrie> That happens to me sometimes too lol
Feb 04 22:41:53 <DougReeder> My N4 went into dock mode after a few minutes of being connected via USB.  Isn’t it supposed to wait until I push a button or some such?
Feb 04 23:02:07 <Herrie> Well it does that on legacy as well ;)
Feb 04 23:02:18 <Herrie> Basically when the screen would turn off it goes into dockmode ;)
Feb 04 23:02:33 <Herrie> Or when you're connected and single press power
Feb 04 23:02:38 <Herrie> Might need some tweaking still
Feb 04 23:02:54 <Herrie> And we need to have the gesture area there as well so we can get out of it directly ;)
Feb 04 23:02:58 <Herrie> But it's a good first start :P
Feb 04 23:04:30 <Herrie> When on touchstone it does that on legacy
Feb 04 23:04:40 <Herrie> It's initial implementation so we can tweak some bits still
Feb 04 23:04:56 <DougReeder> Okay, power toggles betweenthe modes.
Feb 04 23:05:16 <Herrie> Was a quick side project for me to get it optimized for the screen sizes and morphis did some backend work + qml optimizations ;)
Feb 04 23:05:21 <Herrie> I still suck at programming LOL
Feb 04 23:05:29 <Herrie> So he always finds stuff that can be done better :P
Feb 04 23:06:38 <Herrie> Anyway off to bed
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