**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 17 02:59:58 2015 Feb 17 03:53:47 Yeah, that looks like the one to use. Feb 17 07:23:13 morphis: ping Feb 17 07:24:46 Time still doesn't seem to work: http://tinypic.com/r/2197v3b/8 Feb 17 08:09:15 Herrie: sorry my fault Feb 17 08:22:59 morphis: Ah can happen Feb 17 08:23:20 Took my tp today so hopefully can look into dockmode issue + data Feb 17 08:24:43 very good Feb 17 08:34:43 Herrie|Veer: you know someone who could do http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/845? Feb 17 08:35:36 Garfonso, DougReeder: if I read the right the number is just normalized and then reversed? Feb 17 08:36:51 Either DougReeder, Arressel or Cobblemonster I guess Feb 17 10:59:45 djichthys: ping Feb 17 11:05:35 Herrie|Veer: ping Feb 17 11:11:22 morphis: pong Feb 17 11:14:42 Herrie|Veer: I will add a LocalePreferences singleton to LuneOS.Application Feb 17 11:14:57 you can use that one then to find out about the current locale, timezone and clock format Feb 17 11:16:33 morphis : pong Feb 17 11:18:48 djichthys: you already had time to look at the bluetooth work? Feb 17 11:20:50 I did take a look at bluez itself to see what we could use to test it with. Feb 17 11:21:56 djichthys: I just pushed an updated android env which now lets you easily enable bluetooth Feb 17 11:23:08 djichthys: see http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/861 Feb 17 11:23:25 those bits will work with the next build for mako Feb 17 11:24:36 Ok thanks for letting me know morphis ..... Feb 17 11:24:45 Although I dont think Im going to be able to match your speed :) Feb 17 11:25:00 :) Feb 17 11:25:44 I tested this yesterday and bluez came up well and was able to scan for available bluetooth devices Feb 17 11:26:04 so we just have to wrap everything into the systemd service and make sure it gets started when needed Feb 17 11:26:25 Ahh very good .... we jsut need to use the hci command utils for testing right ? Feb 17 11:26:36 as first step, yes Feb 17 11:26:45 so hciconfig should show a hci0 interface Feb 17 11:27:01 but that will be down until we tell connman to release the rfkill Feb 17 11:27:03 a Feb 17 11:27:07 connmanctl enable bluetooth Feb 17 11:27:13 should be enough to do that Feb 17 11:28:07 ok .... will start reading up on the systemd side a bit more , trying to understand it. Feb 17 11:28:27 ok Feb 17 11:28:41 djichthys: just ask if you have any questions Feb 17 11:30:17 Cheers morphis ..... Thanks for the help .... I will get better , I promise :) Feb 17 11:34:26 djichthys: no problem, we all start small Feb 17 11:35:06 morphis: OK also fine with me :) Feb 17 12:42:13 morphis: Is this in the build that's currently running? Feb 17 12:42:23 How about the time fix? Feb 17 12:58:21 Herrie|Veer: looks like I've forgot to push it Feb 17 12:58:25 Herrie|Veer: will include it later Feb 17 12:58:31 but you can fix it manually if you want Feb 17 12:59:15 Just deleting the file? Feb 17 12:59:29 rm /etc/localetime Feb 17 12:59:38 ln -sf /var/luna/preferences/localetime /etc/localetime Feb 17 13:01:01 OK Feb 17 13:03:12 Tofe: ping Feb 17 13:39:47 morphis: pong Feb 17 13:40:05 Tofe: I saw you're by passing the dock mode with the gesture area Feb 17 13:40:16 we can't do it that easily Feb 17 13:40:42 morphis: ah, I feared that Feb 17 13:40:57 I wanted an easy way to get out of dock mode Feb 17 13:41:10 is there an LS2 call to do that? Feb 17 13:41:17 that is what I am currently looking Feb 17 13:41:26 basically the dockmode corresponds to a display manager state Feb 17 13:41:37 ok Feb 17 13:41:37 so if you by pass that we end up in the wrong state Feb 17 13:41:52 yes, should have asked first :) Feb 17 13:42:42 you should call luna://com.palm.display/control/setState '{"state":"undock"}' Feb 17 13:43:43 Cage1___: ping Feb 17 13:44:10 ok great, will do Feb 17 13:45:57 morphis: Gesture area press should do that right? At least the led button press on TP exits dockmode Feb 17 13:46:37 Herrie|Veer: there is nothing wrong with adding this, it's just the way how Tofe did it Feb 17 13:46:55 I asked him to do something :P Feb 17 13:47:04 Didn't give further instructions Feb 17 13:47:33 Because on N4 you now need to turn screen off before you can exist dockmode, so gesture area should be able to do that ;) Feb 17 13:49:22 yeah Feb 17 13:49:31 but that needs to play well with the display states and the lockscreen Feb 17 13:49:49 Herrie|Veer: yes, I just did it the wrong way. But it's really easy to fix. Feb 17 13:50:11 Cage1___: when I try to select a contact in the messaging app the list of available contacts never closes Feb 17 13:50:25 and selecting one doesn't really put it into the To: line Feb 17 13:51:16 Entering a number into to line directly also doesn't allow send I noticed Feb 17 13:51:16 Seems the app only looks for a reply address Feb 17 13:51:36 yeah, not sure but it doesn't really work Feb 17 14:09:00 It only works when you reply to an incoming sms it seems Feb 17 14:38:21 Good morning. Feb 17 14:48:50 DougReeder_: morning Feb 17 16:11:15 morphis: Might have spoken too soon on TP4G not having bars... Seems I have no sim in it LOL :P Will check when home... Feb 17 16:34:34 * HaDAk pokes his head in Feb 17 17:40:16 morphis: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/commit/0937063157cd291144b5287759ea8cccfe32a721 seems more correct ? Feb 17 18:03:59 Tofe: yeah Feb 17 18:20:24 morphis/Tofe: With the vkb issue sorted, could we look into switching back to the keyboard work HaDAk did last year which was a lot more webOS-y? Feb 17 18:20:52 Home with my simcard now so booting up the TP4G Feb 17 18:24:39 Herrie: aren't we already using that? Feb 17 18:25:01 I don't think so? Feb 17 18:25:13 HaDAk: The keyboard currently in LuneOS isn't yours right? Feb 17 18:25:25 not last time i checked, no Feb 17 18:25:29 Herrie: we just changed the key layout back to what it was before Feb 17 18:25:36 Yeah I think so... Feb 17 18:25:41 as the touchpad layout doesn't really met what we need for small screens Feb 17 18:26:00 so we more need two layouts: one for tablets and one for phones Feb 17 18:26:01 If I recall correctly it was more the VKB area issues Feb 17 18:26:17 And different sizes for different input types that caused issues Feb 17 18:26:31 And the current layout has a "stable" & "fixed" height Feb 17 18:26:37 But my memory may be faulty Feb 17 18:26:47 Wouldn't be the first time :P Feb 17 18:27:35 I agree we'd need phone + tablet keyboard layout to be different Feb 17 18:27:48 Current VKB layout on TP is horrendous :P Feb 17 18:29:19 Seems I still don't have bars on TP4G, pulled all logs from the other channel, will run some commands now Feb 17 18:30:19 Also can debug the DockMode now Feb 17 18:30:27 Seems text should be lower on first clock too Feb 17 18:30:49 And these dots should disappear from landscape in general, they should be only visible with portrait Feb 17 18:31:19 Herrie: can you hide them until one page has settled? Feb 17 18:32:08 morphis: Legacy only showed them in portrait I think, need to double check Feb 17 18:32:12 I guess we could hide them too Feb 17 18:32:19 On TP4G with SIM inserted: http://pastebin.com/mDWEivGn Feb 17 18:32:40 Seems we'd need to power cellular on as a first step? Feb 17 18:37:53 morphis: http://pastebin.com/Fvb9Y1uZ Feb 17 18:38:29 Herrie: do you have to enter a PIN? Feb 17 18:39:28 Not sure don't think so Feb 17 18:39:33 Go never asked for it Feb 17 18:39:59 Herrie: do a Feb 17 18:39:59 mdbus2 -s -i org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.SimManager.GetProperties Feb 17 18:40:36 mbm_0 you mean ;) Feb 17 18:41:02 http://pastebin.com/7eu1Xkkh Feb 17 18:41:05 Seems not ;) Feb 17 18:41:11 'PinRequired': <'none'> Feb 17 18:41:18 then things are fine Feb 17 18:41:24 do a connmanctl services Feb 17 18:42:37 Empty output Feb 17 18:42:52 the height can still vary a little bit; but we could eventually make it fullscreen, now that we have a working window mask Feb 17 18:43:13 Herrie: connamnctl technologies Feb 17 18:44:11 http://pastebin.com/vF3vCgDL Feb 17 18:44:55 connmanctl enable cellular Feb 17 18:46:37 Ok powered = true for cellular now, still no bars Feb 17 18:47:24 connmanctl services gives me: vodafone NL cellular_204049010165541_context1 Feb 17 18:47:28 So that looks OK? Feb 17 18:48:17 do a Feb 17 18:48:22 connmanctl connect cellular_204049010165541_context1 Feb 17 18:48:57 Error /net/connman/service/cellular_204049010165541_context1: Operation aborted Feb 17 18:49:03 hm Feb 17 18:50:01 mdbus2 -s org.ofono /mbm_0/context1 org.ofono.ConnectionContext.GetProperties Feb 17 18:50:50 Hmmz seems my cellular now disappeared from connmanctl technologies Feb 17 18:50:53 reboot TP ? Feb 17 18:51:14 hm Feb 17 18:59:40 If we’re working on the keyboard, I would find it very helpful if the labels were larger. Feb 17 19:21:09 Herrie: more important is right now that the filepicker is broken with the 2.5.1 update Feb 17 19:28:39 DougReeder_: do you maybe have time to look at that? Feb 17 19:56:11 nizovn: ping Feb 17 20:14:41 this might be of interest to you guys. Feb 17 20:14:50 i tried blackberry 10 today. (am trying, actually.) Feb 17 20:14:53 i don't think i'll keep it Feb 17 20:15:13 i've realized that i absolutely must have a couple of super important things when it comes to my phone: Feb 17 20:15:26 Hangouts (easily done via XMPP/talk) Feb 17 20:15:29 wait, Blackberry's still exist? Feb 17 20:15:31 and Google Voice integration Feb 17 20:15:48 HaDAk: not for long. Google is shutting down their talk servers soon Feb 17 20:15:51 i NEED to be able to call out using my GV number from the dialer, seamlessly, and i need to be able to send/receive texts Feb 17 20:16:10 GodGinrai: believe me...i talked to google, i talked to everybody, and i know the state of the affair. that's not the case, per se. Feb 17 20:16:24 GodGinrai: they're ending support for the google talk desktop client, but leaving the xmpp servers up Feb 17 20:16:47 HaDAk: the desktop client was ended 2 years ago Feb 17 20:16:53 morphis: pong Feb 17 20:17:04 GodGinrai: that's why they're officially killing it now Feb 17 20:17:23 GodGinrai: but you can still log in to the talk servers via other clients Feb 17 20:17:53 GodGinrai: when they announced the talk shutdown, i was so irate that i bought the blackberry phone to get away from gooogle -- that's when i started looking into what they were actually doing, and realized it was just the client that was going away Feb 17 20:18:10 GodGinrai: because i refuse to give up IM on my desktop using a client of my choice Feb 17 20:18:38 anyway. how all this relates to webos is thusly: i need, *need* google voice/hangouts integration. end of story. no GV, no webos for me. Feb 17 20:20:10 HaDAk: Talk to EricBlade :P Feb 17 20:20:18 His SynerGV should work :P Feb 17 20:20:27 Herrie: we both know that's not what i mean :) Feb 17 20:20:37 Herrie: that doesn't integrate into the phone app Feb 17 20:20:38 Most other bits should be there ;) Feb 17 20:20:51 Herrie: when i dial a number, it should show my GV number as outgoing. Feb 17 20:20:55 HaDAk: Well true, but it shouldn't be too difficult to add that stuff ;) Feb 17 20:21:06 morphis might know more about all that Feb 17 20:21:11 Herrie: good! that's what i want to hear -- because that's what i'd need in order to use webos full time Feb 17 20:21:31 Legacy had fun stuff for Skype Synergy via phone app (undocumente) Feb 17 20:21:57 Since we are writting phone app from scratch we can do proper design of stuff Feb 17 20:22:07 Not sure if you can send out GV CLI though.. Feb 17 20:22:14 morphis might know that Feb 17 20:22:36 well, the way that google does it with their integration is like this Feb 17 20:22:53 each google voice contact has a different google voice specific phone number Feb 17 20:23:31 so, my phone number may be 123-456-789, but if you call me from your google voice number, google says "oh, hey...i know that one. it's 456-789-1234" and redirects the outgoing call to the new number, seamlessly. Feb 17 20:24:00 Yeah OK Feb 17 20:24:04 the phone app says the contact's name and number, but then it says "via google voice, 456-789-1234" Feb 17 20:24:11 That's not that hard to implement actually Feb 17 20:24:18 Some small logics Feb 17 20:24:27 so, the trick would be getting that secondary number and associating it without necessarily updating the contact card Feb 17 20:24:36 because i don't want to see that GV number at all, ever Feb 17 20:24:39 Not sure how this is all stored in Google currently Feb 17 20:24:41 i don't *care* what that GV number is Feb 17 20:24:43 Maybe as some hidden field Feb 17 20:24:44 right, nor i. Feb 17 20:24:52 Garfonso might have an idea on that Feb 17 20:24:59 Or EricBlade for that matter Feb 17 20:25:18 maybe we can add a "Phone" Capability to synergy... or maybe there even is one already for skype. Feb 17 20:25:31 THere is something undocumented for Skype Feb 17 20:25:39 we can see what that does and think about how we need to support that in the phone app. Feb 17 20:25:45 i suspect skype support is gone, since microsoft killed skypekit Feb 17 20:25:46 I looked into it sometime when I wanted to add something to the legacy phone app Feb 17 20:25:55 most of synergy actually is undocumented. ;) Feb 17 20:26:11 I wanted to add automatic prefix for international dialing Feb 17 20:26:33 Because I had to dial a local number, then enter international dialing number basically Feb 17 20:26:56 I wanted to add an option to the list... But it was quite messy on 2.2.x Feb 17 20:27:02 Gave up on it tbh :P Feb 17 20:27:27 The tricky part might be to send your own google voice number instead of the number on your SIM card Feb 17 20:27:27 hehe Feb 17 20:27:35 For this you need to "spoof" your CLI Feb 17 20:27:48 Not sure to what extend Connman would support this Feb 17 20:27:52 morphis might know that Feb 17 20:28:19 Herrie: calling the number that google provides should take care of that for you Feb 17 20:28:28 it's like calling a bridge. you call them, they call the other person. Feb 17 20:28:34 hence, "you" aren't making the call. they are. Feb 17 20:28:39 they = google Feb 17 20:28:57 because spoofing your outgoing number is against FCC regulations ;) Feb 17 20:30:28 Ah ok ;) Feb 17 20:30:34 Didn't know that Feb 17 20:30:43 I don't care about FCC too much in NL Feb 17 20:31:15 http://www.fcc.gov/guides/caller-id-and-spoofing Feb 17 20:32:05 HaDAk: even tho' there are iphone apps that do that shit... -_- Feb 17 20:32:31 GodGinrai: yep Feb 17 21:12:49 Well FCC rules leave room for sending another CLI Feb 17 21:13:06 When you use it for proper purposes Feb 17 21:13:34 "Transmit or display its telephone number or the telephone number of the seller on whose behalf the telemarketer is calling, and, if possible, its name or the name and telephone number of the company for which it is selling products or services". This is likely also sending another number ;) Feb 17 21:58:04 I can take a look at the filepicker; where is it currently used? Feb 17 22:05:06 DougReeder_: in the settings app Feb 17 22:05:12 it uses the CrossApp kind Feb 17 22:05:20 which seems to be somehow broken atm Feb 17 22:05:29 Hmm, could be complicated. Feb 17 22:05:34 the file picker itself isn't as that is still enyo-1.0 Feb 17 22:36:06 hm.. can we use the filepicker in Preware2? Or is this very different? Feb 17 22:36:13 Not sure what we pick in settings. Feb 17 22:36:40 downside of preware 2 would be that it requires opkg-service.. but we have that in LuneOS anyway. Just not very clean. Feb 17 22:46:16 I’ll see if there’s a simple fix, but we may need to bit the bullet on file-picking functionality. Feb 17 23:14:51 morphis: no, the activities are not run and internetConfidence still says "false". But I saw this error message in the log: https://github.com/openwebos/activitymanager/blob/2a2e29e65bc90a6ed88f234dbde8a120b33a5c86/src/ConnectionManagerProxy.cpp#L307 maybe that is related? Everything else should be fine now... :-/ Feb 17 23:15:08 maybe it was just during bootup and got fine afterwards? Feb 17 23:18:25 restarting activity manager (systemctl activitymanager restart) did not produce the log message again... but also did not resolve the issue. :( Feb 17 23:19:09 morphis: do you know an easy way to see the debug output from activitymanager? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 18 03:00:00 2015