**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 19 02:59:58 2015 Mar 19 06:56:03 Herrie: sounds good, however we still need to fix the height encoding of the dashboard panels Mar 19 06:59:55 Herrie, Tofe: my idea currently is: https://bpaste.net/show/07c2901338bc Mar 19 07:00:06 metrics: "units" is set to the window attributes Mar 19 07:00:16 we parse those in luna-webappmanager and use the height accordingly Mar 19 07:05:16 morphis: that's elegant, but what about legacy apps? or doesn't it matter much for alerts? Mar 19 07:06:47 also, isn't it the same as converting the pixel size on the fly by luna-appmanager? Mar 19 07:09:04 Tofe: I would like to avoid taking the height by default in grid units Mar 19 07:09:25 we need to actively change those which are wrong Mar 19 07:09:39 but for example apps can then check if they are on LuneOS or not and act accordingly Mar 19 07:10:06 ok, yes, that makes sense Mar 19 07:10:33 let's try this approach then Mar 19 07:13:16 Tofe, Herrie: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-webappmanager/pull/20 not tested yet but that should work Mar 19 07:31:37 should I wait for merge? Mar 19 07:32:06 it looks ok to me Mar 19 07:43:12 compiles fine Mar 19 07:43:17 just need to test it Mar 19 07:46:31 morphis/Tofe: I'll do a PR for systemui soon to fix the battery banner behavior to be a lot better :-) Mar 19 07:46:43 Herrie|2: see https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-webappmanager/pull/20 also Mar 19 07:47:23 Yeah saw that :-) Mar 19 07:47:57 This is more for logistics so battery banners overwrite each other so you onky have Mar 19 07:48:24 only have 1 at the time and they'll be dismissed directly when charging :-) Mar 19 07:48:39 great Mar 19 08:16:57 morphis: PR done. Tested this quite thoroughly so should be OK :) Mar 19 08:23:15 morphis: Would the luna-webappmgr update allow for custom height dashboards like LunaCE provided? We had some apps that used it for a big weather dashboard for example :) Mar 19 08:24:53 Did PR for dizzy for systemui too Mar 19 08:57:50 Hello webos-team, I'm currently trying to setup a dev env for the grouper device and I already have a question: while starting the bitbake process (never used bitbake before) I got 2 errors shortly after the start "timeout while attempting to communicate with bitbake server" and "could not connect to server", but something is running (processor load is raising). Could they be ignored? Thanks in advance! Mar 19 09:03:16 suziq: morphis, JaMa, Tofe or nizovn would be best to answer that one. Mar 19 09:03:31 I haven't done a full build for a while tbh Mar 19 09:03:45 suziq: look at conf/local.conf Mar 19 09:03:59 comment the line PRSERV_HOST = "jenkins.nas-admin.org:8585" Mar 19 09:04:06 and uncomment the one with localhost Mar 19 09:04:22 however better would it be when you make sure the host where you build on can reach jenkins.nas-admin.org Mar 19 09:09:49 ah, port 8585 needs to be open! Thanks a lot, I've to talk with our firewall :-) Mar 19 09:18:49 :) Mar 19 09:20:21 suziq: Please note the Grouper build is currently not booting. It's probably something relatively small but we didn't have time to thoroughly look into it. We're happy to accept any fixes for the problem :) Mar 19 09:27:03 Herrie: I will not promise too much... but my intention was to have a look into this problem... haven't worked before with os-code, but I'm used to use unix and do programming in java, perl (in the past) ... would be nice to get it running... Mar 19 09:35:20 It's something on kernel level it seems. morphis might be able to tell you more. We upgraded our OpenEmbedded build from Daisy to Dizzy and then it stopped working if I recall correctly Mar 19 09:35:44 OpenEmbedded contains a lot of components usually so one or more could be the culprit Mar 19 09:55:37 Build process is running now! I Purchased yesterday a nexus7 on ebay, I think,I have to wait for delivery now. I'll give some information if I have any news... Thanks! :-) Mar 19 10:01:53 Grouper = 2012 version, you know that right ? Mar 19 10:25:48 Hopefully... it was a "Nexus 7 16GB, Wifi (2 Gen 2012)" with a 4.4 Kitkat version (I have to downgrade to 4.2.2 if I read correctly, haven't I?) Mar 19 10:38:33 Herrie|Veer: I've fixed my tenderloin build, so I'll be able to play with it Mar 19 10:56:40 Tofe: great, I get no LNC just black screen with your QPA ipk Mar 19 10:57:08 On N4 LNC restart hangs after QPA/LNC update for rotation Mar 19 12:05:06 There are some known issues with sensorfwd when all client exit, but on my N4 it wasn't so fatal Mar 19 12:05:14 I'll test on TP too Mar 19 12:10:30 suziq: yeah, better downgrade Mar 19 12:10:46 but for the boot problem: not sure what it is, that is what we have to find out Mar 19 12:11:18 maybe https://github.com/shr-distribution/meta-smartphone/commit/7ee6e7cc7e1ed96897f7f1dc72a329bce6ccce87 already helped a bit Mar 19 12:11:27 but it happened after a systemd update Mar 19 12:20:52 morphis: Thanks! I'll do my best to help out! Mar 19 12:43:01 suziq: would be great if we get the N7 back working Mar 19 12:51:10 Tofe: I have latest N4 image + QPA and LNC changes which lock up N4 on LNC restart. I need to do hard power off and reboot currently. Mar 19 12:56:51 Herrie|Veer: ok, I'll have a look, I must have missed it Mar 19 13:00:12 Could be my side, just see if you can replicate first :) Mar 19 13:00:33 For TP took latest nightly + qpa ipk + lnc and got black screen Mar 19 13:01:07 and without the qpa ipk it works fine, right? Mar 19 13:01:45 Yeah it booted. Didn't try lnc without qpa because that didn't make sense Mar 19 13:02:20 If you can replicate behavior that's a good first step Mar 19 13:14:04 * DougReeder waves good morning Mar 19 13:54:16 bah. this machine i want to use to build LuneOS is stuck at 1.2ghz. wth. Mar 19 13:54:33 2.8ghz processor, but i can't get it to move off the lowest setting Mar 19 14:19:21 just 4 the records, I tried to register at webosnation, but there already exists a username "suziq" though I registered there as "sewziq"... (in case you stumble accross my name there) Mar 19 14:48:56 suziq: why not sueziq? Mar 19 14:49:53 I read "sewziq" as "soziq", because the word "sew" is pronounced "so" Mar 19 14:59:41 GodGinrai: Oh ... but already registered... Mar 19 15:17:06 OK, NOW I'm ready to begin. Mar 19 15:17:15 finally got that old machine up to 2.8ghz Mar 19 15:17:47 hopefully 294gb of space will be enough ;) Mar 19 15:25:49 umm.. are the Tenderloin build instructions up to date? Mar 19 15:26:36 when i do "make setup-webos-ports" i get "Cloning into 'common'"... and then it times out several minutes later with "ssh: connect to host git-mirror.palm.com port 22: Connection timed out" .. git-mirror.palm.com ? Mar 19 15:26:53 oh.. that's got to be some local configuration snafu Mar 19 15:28:21 hmm. can't find it whatever it is Mar 19 15:36:55 found it.. /.gitconfig .. d'oh Mar 19 16:48:53 EricBlade: I did a tenderloin build not sooner than yesterday Mar 19 16:49:31 though I didn't start from scratch Mar 19 16:52:08 no it was all my fault Mar 19 16:52:17 this old pc was configured to work on the old work network Mar 19 18:02:05 Hey we have a licence for IntelliJ IDEA - contact me on some private channel for the license code! Mar 19 18:10:09 We should probaly announce that on the mailing list, for those who don’t hang out on IRC Mar 19 18:12:31 EricBlade: How much of a kernel guru are you? Any chance you could get LuneOS working on a Go :P ? Mar 19 19:28:18 Herrie: my absolute lack of knowledge of how the build system works, or how to even go about starting something like that would hamper that effort. Mar 19 19:29:42 i haven't even built my own kernel since like 2003 Mar 19 19:32:59 Hey morphis: think it's possible to get LuneOS running on the one plus one? Mar 19 19:36:28 GodGinrai: It's possible on any device that has CM. If Jolla or Ubuntu have a port already it might be even easier ;) Mar 19 19:37:23 It's a matter of having the right knowledge and time (I lack both :P) Mar 19 19:38:21 I see Mar 19 19:38:41 Someone offered me an invite to purchase one, so I'm considering it Mar 19 20:21:24 morphis: ping Mar 19 20:22:38 I have an app that creates a dashboard (Dash Weather) that looks a bit odd. I guess this MIGHT be solved with the latest webappmgr commits? Mar 19 20:24:51 The dashboard/widget is at the bottom in this screenshot. Seems it's not full height? http://tinypic.com/r/bzt53/8 Mar 19 20:25:00 New build that's running includes the webappmgr update? Mar 19 20:34:56 Herrie: yeah it does Mar 19 20:35:23 Herrie: see https://bpaste.net/show/07c2901338bc Mar 19 20:35:29 that is how it should work Mar 19 20:43:41 morphis: Ah will see how it works with the new build Mar 19 20:44:06 On legacy phones it has the dash at bottom, on TP it has a scrollable large dashboard on top, which is quite nice :) Mar 19 21:38:03 elvispre: Nice work on the city search! Mar 19 21:59:32 choorp, this might be easier :P Mar 19 22:03:14 Ah, yes. heh Mar 19 22:03:35 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Emulator Mar 19 22:03:44 You can SSH Mar 19 22:03:52 So use Putty and stuff to put IPK Mar 19 22:03:59 You can put it to /media/internal Mar 19 22:04:04 Then use Preware to install it Mar 19 22:04:05 Neat. Thanks Mar 19 22:04:23 Or via command line: opkg install ipkname.ipk Mar 19 22:04:29 I can't wait to play. I've never seen LuneOS before except in screenshots. Mar 19 22:04:30 You can also take a remote IPK url in Preware ;) Mar 19 22:04:48 Emulator is a bit slow at times, N4 flies, boottime is really quick on N4 Mar 19 22:04:54 Yes, setting up a Preware feed is something I want to do. Mar 19 22:04:56 Lots of things are work in progress still but well ;) Mar 19 22:06:42 Booting! Mar 19 22:07:51 N4 takes around 30 seconds to boot into OS from powering on Mar 19 22:07:58 That's a lot quicker compared to legacy webos :P Mar 19 22:12:21 Herrie: I get also a black screen on TP Mar 19 22:13:04 Tofe: OK good you can replicate at least Mar 19 22:13:09 N4 also locking on LNC restart? Mar 19 22:13:47 didn't test that yet, I have to re-push rotating LNC Mar 19 22:15:01 also I went into my N4 android to make sure my simcard was working well, and yes, it is Mar 19 22:19:32 OK ;) Mar 19 22:19:44 Strange it doesn't in LuneOS because with me it does Mar 19 22:20:03 Could be it needs some oFono or COnnman tweaking Mar 19 22:20:30 I still suspect a "new" model of SIM card to be the problem somehow in combination with oFono/ConnMan Mar 19 22:20:36 But I can be wrong Mar 19 22:21:03 mmh Mar 19 22:21:35 Hey, how would I go about looking at the logs of an app I installed in the emulator? Mar 19 22:23:08 bedtime for me. gn8! Mar 19 22:26:07 logs? haha :-) Mar 19 22:27:12 EricBlade: so no logs then. heh Mar 19 22:27:40 i don't know, honestly. i think there was a couple of months ago when i was poking at it, but i don't remember how to get there. Mar 19 22:28:19 It's alright. It's not like I'm doing anything important anyways. Just experimenting. Mar 19 22:28:48 the logs don't go through PmLog and therefore don't go to /var/log/messages .. i can't remember where they do go though Mar 19 22:29:57 choorp: You can use journalctl Mar 19 22:30:06 journalctl --no-pager for example Mar 19 22:30:30 var/log/messages is pretty much gone now Mar 19 22:30:46 And output to a file with journalctl > /media/internal/out.txt Mar 19 22:30:53 We don't have something like Lumberjack yet Mar 19 22:30:59 It's being worked on though ;) Mar 19 22:32:35 I used "journalctl --no-pager -u ofono" for ofono logging Mar 19 22:32:46 Not sure what you'd need to enter for a custom app, could be appid, not 100% sure Mar 19 22:33:18 We also have remote webapp debugging via Webkit Inspector ;) http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Luna_Next_Remote_WebApplication_Debugging Mar 19 22:51:24 morphis: The new webappmgr dashboard is not an improvement for Dash Weather app Mar 19 22:54:01 Old vs new: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=bzt53&s=8#.VQtTdeGuRv0 vs http://tinypic.com/r/kex5s8/8 Mar 19 22:55:03 Thanks Herrie, journalctl seems to work wel enough Mar 19 22:55:30 choorp: Yeah you have everything there ;) Mar 19 22:55:38 I'm happy to test stuff on a real device if needed Mar 19 22:55:39 Dash Weather looks a bit squished. heh Mar 19 22:55:44 Got N4 and TP ready Mar 19 22:55:53 Lucky. :P Mar 19 22:55:59 Thanks, I'll let you know. Mar 19 22:56:12 choorp: It's the dashes taht need work Mar 19 22:56:26 Whole UI was rewritten from scratch in QML instead of C++ Mar 19 22:56:36 But needs obvious TLC at places ;) Mar 19 22:58:04 It's the dash that seems to squeeze teh rest a bit Mar 19 22:58:28 Can the emulator capture the host machine's keyboard? Mar 19 22:58:36 This is without dash: http://tinypic.com/r/2dub9ug/8 Mar 19 22:58:39 (sorry for all the noob questions) Mar 19 22:58:40 Seems better Mar 19 22:58:56 choorp: Ehm no not AFAIK, one of my biggest gripes with it currently ;) Mar 19 22:59:09 Doesn't make sense to use a VKB when you have a hardware one :P Mar 19 22:59:10 That's a nice looking app you got there, Herrie. :) Mar 19 22:59:36 I keep having to tap in the url to my ipk. lol Mar 19 22:59:50 Just setting up a feed is looking better and better. Mar 19 23:00:23 choorp: Yeah ;) Mar 19 23:00:28 Or a short URL lol Mar 19 23:12:02 This may seem silly.. but... how do I uninstall an app? Mar 19 23:14:16 Preware Mar 19 23:14:38 There's no uninstall button. Mar 19 23:15:03 There should be Mar 19 23:15:24 There is also no install button for my app through the feed I just set up. Mar 19 23:16:33 Strange, could be Preware bug.. You could try: luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.appinstaller/remove '{"id":"com.choorp.myappid"}' Mar 19 23:16:36 From a command line Mar 19 23:16:45 Not sure that works, but should I guess Mar 19 23:16:54 At least according to: https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr/blob/master/README.md Mar 19 23:17:39 No good Mar 19 23:19:46 Hmmz Mar 19 23:19:49 Let em see Mar 19 23:21:34 I just destroyed the VM and restarted from scratch. That got it uninstalled. :D Mar 19 23:21:51 Still no install button for my app through the feeds though. Mar 19 23:23:36 OK this works: opkg remove com.choorp.dash-weather Mar 19 23:23:42 Strange Mar 19 23:23:48 Didn't test custom feeds yet Mar 19 23:24:15 Ugh, now it won't let me SSH into the emulator. Mar 19 23:24:50 Reboot does miracles sometimes Mar 19 23:24:55 Could be port was blocked or so Mar 19 23:25:02 Anyway past midnight here, bedtime ;) Mar 19 23:25:18 I think this was a good enough visit to LuneOS for now. I'll revisit it once I get an actual device. heh Mar 19 23:25:18 I'll be back whwen I wake up so can get back to you, just post questions here Mar 19 23:25:56 Don't make me find you a N4 you cannot refuse LOL ;) Mar 19 23:26:13 I'm good at refusing devices. :P Mar 19 23:26:24 yeah LOL Mar 19 23:26:33 choorp: Just looked at Prepare on my N4 Mar 19 23:26:45 Prepare is pretty buggy at the moment Mar 19 23:27:24 I find that sometimes I need to load the app listing pages several times before it will show me a Remove button Mar 19 23:27:47 elvispre|s: Could be the 2.5.1.1 update Mar 19 23:28:00 It was quite OK before, if you feel like you might troubleshoot a bit Mar 19 23:28:09 :) Mar 19 23:28:26 No worries guys. Thanks for trying to help though. Mar 19 23:28:37 Me and my big mouth! Mar 19 23:28:48 I look forward to trying LuneOS again in the future. :) Mar 19 23:28:48 This might be something for you too? http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/845 Mar 19 23:29:47 Herrin: OK. I'll take a look at that. Mar 19 23:30:36 I think you know you're way around service calls after timezone stuff ;) Mar 19 23:58:09 are there known issues with the N4 with either stable or this morning's nightly where wifi doesn't work? Mar 19 23:58:12 mine seems stuck on off Mar 19 23:58:27 and also the swipe down menu never shows Mar 19 23:58:37 (seems like it works for everyone else) Mar 20 00:00:47 I am sad... I wanted to show luneos to some colleagues before we send this N4 for android-related-testing to the NY office Mar 20 02:36:42 choorp, if you set up a Preware feed, we can add it to the disabled-by-default feeds Mar 20 02:37:56 DougReeder: Thanks! I set up a feed but only have a half-working app in there. Mar 20 02:39:51 When you’re ready for beta-testing we can add your feed. Mar 20 02:42:19 The emulator isn't working too well for me, so I don't think much progress will be made regarding LuneOS compatibility. I just don't have the time. :/ Mar 20 02:46:09 I do appreciate the offer though. Maybe I'll end up with a Nexus 4 someday and I can really get involved around here. :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 20 02:59:59 2015