**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 06 02:59:58 2015 May 06 05:14:17 morning May 06 05:14:21 morphis/JaMa: ping May 06 05:16:50 Nevermind: Seems Grouper nightlies are building already :D May 06 05:29:03 Garfonso: Good news emulator perfomance issue finally seems solved thanks to nizovn! May 06 05:29:17 I checked latest nightly and luna-next consumes about 15% CPU with 5-6 apps open :) May 06 05:33:04 morphis: When you have a minute can you test http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/473 on the N7 to see if it still exists or was sorted? May 06 05:33:18 You can enable the key feedback in Settings. May 06 05:33:36 And this one as well: http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/359 May 06 06:29:48 Herrie: no, never tried, never even saw it was there :p May 06 06:31:40 YOu need LunaCE for it ;) May 06 06:32:18 It was one of ShiftyAxel's improvements if I'm correct. It's not in the default 3.0.x one May 06 06:34:33 You need to have alpha/beta feeds enabled in Preware (if you don't have them, uninstall Preware, do the following: mkdir -p /var/preferences/org.webosinternals.preware May 06 06:34:55 Followed by a "touch /var/preferences/org.webosinternals.preware/enable-beta-feeds" and "touch /var/preferences/org.webosinternals.preware/enable-alpha-feeds" May 06 06:35:01 Then reinstall Preware May 06 06:35:35 And you can enable them in "manage feeds". There's a : "alpha-woce" and "beta-woce" feed May 06 06:36:45 Then Available Packages->OS Applications->User Interface->LunaCE 4.9.10 May 06 06:36:56 You'll have a lot of nice features then :P May 06 06:40:10 Features can be found here: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/About_LunaCE May 06 06:40:18 Still some things for us to implement :P May 06 06:49:47 I installed LunaCE (though after some time), and didn't use much my TP since then, that's why I didn't see it I think May 06 06:57:15 You should give it a go again, espcailly the trackball is useful when you want to move in text ;) May 06 07:19:55 Herrie: yes, that's quite essential I agree May 06 07:30:45 With my big fingers getting to the right spot is a real pain :P Without trackball it takes me usually 5 attempts :P May 06 07:31:17 morphis: Got both N4 and TP (WiFi) loaded up with the latest nightly. May 06 07:31:22 Will play around a bit May 06 07:54:32 Tofe: How's the "pinch-to-zoom" stuff in QML currently? Something usable already for card resize? May 06 08:01:00 Garfonso: ping May 06 08:02:04 Herrie|Veer: pong May 06 08:05:01 Emulator should work better now thnx to nizovn :) May 06 08:05:28 Do you know if issues 591 and 747 were solved? May 06 08:05:51 I have 15% cpu usage now from luna-next with 4 Enyo 1/2 apps open May 06 08:06:49 591 is not solved. For 747 I have a fix. Let me check that in and close the issue. May 06 08:13:30 ok May 06 08:29:25 Herrie|Veer: there is only a couple of code lines for spreading a stack of cards, which isn"t fully implemented yet : https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/blob/master/qml/CardView/CardGroupDelegate.qml#L123 May 06 08:30:59 playing with cardSpread property in these callbacks should do it, but I never got time to try it May 06 08:34:28 Herrie|Veer: do you want to implement the trackball? I can do it, but it won't be my first priority, I'd like first to stabilize the "new" vkb a bit May 06 08:34:53 (grouper issue and empty space issue) May 06 08:36:28 Herrie|Veer: the whole trackball thing can be implemented on the qt desktop test keyboard, I think. Only it may not actually move the cursor. May 06 08:36:30 Tofe: Sure those should get sorted first! May 06 08:37:16 It could be implemented as a new "key", and placed wherever we want on the vkb May 06 08:40:09 Tofe: Yeah that flexibility might be nice :) May 06 08:40:23 Especially for nizovn with his thumb keyboard :P May 06 08:41:13 Moreover it's how the architecture of the vkb code was meant to be, so it should be easier to implement that way May 06 08:54:10 Tofe: You know if 889 was sorted? May 06 09:00:35 Herrie|Veer: I forgot to fix it, so my guess is that it's still open May 06 09:05:54 OK will need to put some PIN on my SIM to replicate I guess :) May 06 09:11:11 yes, same here May 06 12:01:04 morphis: N4, TP and Emulator seem to work fine May 06 12:01:43 Only issue I could spot is the space between app card and vkb occasionally but shouldn't be a show stopper for release May 06 12:14:58 yeah I began looking at it but I didn't spot the bug yet May 06 12:15:15 Herrie: no black vkb window on Emulator then ? good! May 06 12:16:50 Ah this I didn't check tbh May 06 12:16:52 Need to see May 06 12:18:58 Tofe: when does the black vkb happen? Always? VKB worked for me in the new emulator till now. May 06 12:22:31 Garfonso: so far, it only happened on grouper May 06 12:22:49 aah, ok :) May 06 12:27:04 Tofe: I don't remember you have a Grouper too? May 06 12:27:09 Or only the Acer ? May 06 12:31:31 Herrie|Veer: only the Acer, discontinued long ago because, well, it has no future with LuneOS May 06 12:31:47 OK :) May 06 12:53:22 I think I found the problem for the spacing with cards and vkb: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-webappmanager/blob/master/src/qml/ApplicationContainer.qml#L107 May 06 12:53:35 This code doesn't readapt when the vkb changes its height May 06 12:54:17 Can't test it from work, but we'll see tonight May 06 13:39:59 Tofe: Yeah could very well be! May 06 13:45:29 Herrie, which Tweak setting do you change to get the trackball? May 06 13:47:09 I see some new cursor movement buttons (left & right); is that it? May 06 13:49:33 DougReeder on LunaCE? May 06 13:49:40 * DougReeder nods May 06 13:50:16 It's basically a 4 point arrow that appears right of the 0 May 06 13:50:28 I think it's enabled by default on 4.9.10 May 06 13:50:42 It's a round ball with 4 arrows May 06 13:51:16 I’m not seeing that May 06 13:51:45 Which LunaCE version you have? May 06 13:52:16 4.9.5 May 06 13:52:35 I have 4.9.10 May 06 13:55:07 I think it was added in 4.9.6 but not sure May 06 13:55:17 Ah, one needs to enable the alpha-woce feed to get that May 06 13:55:53 Yeah May 06 13:57:56 It's stable enough though May 06 13:58:36 It behaves like legacy holding the square button and sliding left/right/up/down in a text field. May 06 14:03:03 FWIW, I find the arrow keys more useful. I can get close to my location with a tap; I only need supplemental controls to make fine adjustments. May 06 14:05:39 I think the trackball does both need to double check though. May 06 14:06:12 Ah no it doesn't May 06 14:06:22 Well we could let the user choose ;) May 06 14:06:45 Seems a great place for a Tweak setting. May 06 14:07:47 Yup :) May 06 15:09:47 I’ve fixed a race conditon in Messaging. Will do a PR tonight. May 06 15:10:55 Next task is making use of the updateThreadValues call in chatthreader. Will need to implement deleting an IM first! May 06 15:16:04 DougReeder: Ah wanted to ask you about that because I could delete thread but no individual IM. Seems you're on top of it :D May 06 15:16:18 * DougReeder nods May 06 15:18:03 If you send a non-reply message to someone you’ve IMed with before, does Messaging proerly switch to the existing thread for you? May 06 15:18:35 I don’t have a SIM in my N4, so all my conversations are one-sided. :-) May 06 15:18:45 I didn't test it yet to be honest May 06 15:19:00 Need to do that shortly May 06 15:19:09 That’s the scenario, that this change of API is designed to address. May 06 15:20:07 I’d like to test the sub-scenario where someone has IMed you, but you haven’t replied, and you send a non-reply message. May 06 15:22:21 Ok need to setup my Google account with contacts to test that May 06 15:28:47 You could test it just entering the SMS phone number in the “To:” field. May 06 15:34:41 But I'd need to have an existing conversation with that contact already right? May 06 15:46:56 Herrie: not necessarily, if I understood right what DougReeder wants to test. You just have to have a chatthread already and send a message to the phone number of that thread without using the thread. May 06 15:47:27 Yeah, that. May 06 15:48:04 You can have a chat thread, without that phone number being in your Contacts. May 06 15:49:12 Ah ok May 06 15:49:20 Let me test that May 06 15:49:33 Tofe: ping May 06 15:50:25 Yeah ends up in the same thread :) May 06 15:57:15 Great! May 06 16:00:05 Happy to test these kind of things :) Got a sim especially for that purpose :) May 06 16:54:13 nizovn: ping May 06 16:54:38 Herrie|Veer: pong May 06 16:55:39 For your thumb vkb you have code for this somewhere or it was just a mock? May 06 16:56:20 that keyboard was on legacy, didn't work on it for LuneOS yet May 06 16:57:08 That's Ok if you have the code for legacy I can maybe mock something quickly May 06 16:57:19 I'm working on the LunaCE variant of the webOS keyboard now for LuneOS May 06 17:00:12 Just mainly layout tweaks now but getting there slowly May 06 17:01:06 Herrie: not sure, it doesn't have any code. just layout in json file. what i used are in zip from http://forums.webosnation.com/3303580-post513.html May 06 17:01:26 using http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Changing_keyboard_layout_on_Touchpad May 06 17:01:26 Ah ok May 06 17:32:41 Herrie: so we're ready for the release? May 06 17:33:28 Herrie|Veer: pong May 06 17:33:41 morphis: let me just test this little fix for luna-webappmanager May 06 17:33:58 Tofe: which one? the one for the keyboard? May 06 17:34:04 yes May 06 17:34:30 ok May 06 17:34:54 yes, it seems to fix it May 06 17:34:58 let me PR that May 06 17:36:41 ok May 06 17:38:21 https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-webappmanager/pull/21 May 06 17:39:37 It's a nice-to-have fix, if you really want the release out, though May 06 17:41:50 We didn't close the stage yet so we could include it? May 06 17:42:29 Tofe: I think I found some stuff already, just playing around with the keyboard on desktop. May 06 17:42:37 Just will need some help later on I guess May 06 17:42:42 Just making it more webOSy now May 06 17:42:55 Herrie: :) ok, no pb May 06 17:43:09 Had a question but sorted it myself already :P May 06 17:46:30 morphis: PR updated May 06 17:48:31 Tofe: in QT there's Qt::Key_Escape for example something similar in QML? May 06 17:49:29 Also saw UKey in here: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/blob/alpha/Src/ime/tabletkeymaps/en.h#L30 May 06 17:50:34 Tofe: thanks May 06 17:50:59 Herrie: it's more how the corresponding maliit plugin will interpret what string it gets May 06 17:51:08 let me see how that works more precisely May 06 17:51:46 (I'm taking the "return" example) May 06 17:54:19 I can use the \"0x00B9" but it doesn't work for 1/4 I get NaN for some reason May 06 17:54:21 1/2 works fine May 06 17:54:52 morphis: I see no reason not to close the current stage and push a release out? May 06 17:54:57 Or you have something release blocker still? May 06 17:55:13 Herrie: look at webos-keyboard/src/lib/logic/eventhandler.cpp May 06 17:56:00 Herrie: it maps action strings to action enums, and we can insert whatever we need here May 06 17:56:44 It just needs to be one of the enum here: webos-keyboard/src/lib/models/key.h May 06 17:56:52 Herrie: no, just waited for Tofe's fix May 06 18:00:13 Herrie: I realize you are not talking about key actions... May 06 18:01:15 Herrie: for all classic characters, just insert directly the character in the qml file, all qml file are UTF-8 files May 06 18:02:15 (there's plenty of them in the russian keyboard layout, for instance) May 06 18:10:55 Tofe: OK I will convert the UKey stuff to their actual character then May 06 18:11:30 morphis: OK can you take care of closing stage, stable build etc or we need JaMa for this? May 06 18:11:45 Herrie: I am doing that May 06 18:21:30 Tofe: You have any idea how we can detect in the keyboard if we're dealing with a phone or tablet? May 06 18:32:53 mmh May 06 18:33:28 start a separate layout, we'll deal with that in KeyboardContainer.qml May 06 18:33:50 or will it be really nearly the same? May 06 18:40:44 Tofe: tbh don't know yet. I'll first work on making it look like legacy 3.x for tablet May 06 18:40:53 Then will see if we can use this somehow for phone too or not May 06 18:41:08 Just wondered if there was any detection for this or not ;) I guess not yet May 06 18:41:29 Maybe morphis has ideas? This should ideally be somewhere at device info level May 06 18:59:13 A grad student is creating an audio piece for Stanford's press publication about LuneOS. If you are interested in being interviewed for the article please let me know. This choice be done really good press. May 06 18:59:45 He's looking for two more folks to interview. It will be conducted over Skype. Audio only. May 06 19:00:11 Shoot me an email if you're interested. alanmorford@gmail.com May 06 19:00:40 Could not choice...typo! May 06 20:28:36 good evening guys May 06 20:29:15 i got a problem with my galaxy nexus May 06 20:29:44 tried to install, but when it boots it turns itself off May 06 20:30:50 any tipps? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 07 02:59:58 2015